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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby The_Honourable » May 3rd, 2017, 10:54 pm

Imbert must be home laughing to himself saying... they haven't rioted yet...

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Postby RedVEVO » May 4th, 2017, 1:10 am

The Opposition and specific attorneys have submitted the the "Property Tax" is unconstitutional .
They claim it will be challenged in the T&T Legal Courts.

But how long do citizens have to wait for the Opposition's riot and Court battle ?

May 23 rd ?

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » May 4th, 2017, 2:13 am

Well atleast the opposition doing something useful for once. But you can't help but remember how we gave Kamla a 2/3 majority to repeal this horse sheit tax and she sat on it for 5 years and drink rum.

You know damn well she opposing it only for political gain but it will help all of us so atleast selfish politics does sometimes be useful.

Let us see if Rowley can man up and address the local government reform to make it like the US. Only then could property tax ever be justified but you know damn well he won't do it because they want that money for other things like racket.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Genius1 » May 4th, 2017, 2:58 am

If they want to follow the USA so much government should only be able to stay in power for two terms Max so no more PNM Or UNC we need fresh mines.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » May 4th, 2017, 3:15 am

I say 2 terms not sure why this isn't a thing. Also for people like imbert 15 years max and they need to be out!!!

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Postby desifemlove » May 4th, 2017, 3:44 am

Genius1 wrote:If they want to follow the USA so much government should only be able to stay in power for two terms Max so no more PNM Or UNC we need fresh mines.

This is for POTUS. If Trump wins two terms in office, nothing stopping another GOPer running.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby screwbash » May 4th, 2017, 4:08 am

it amazes me how pnm supporters can justify the property tax as rebuilding the country. if allyuh mc was rebuild the country carry back allyuh food card, allyuh welfare check, allyuh who having 10 chirren for 15 men and doh know who the fadda is an collecting welfare for the 10 ah dem take back allyuh check and say use the money to rebuild the country.
When allyuh pnm walk into a grocery and see ghee as ah expensive ting yuh cud resell and try an teif it cause yuh aint wuking go and rebuild the country by getting a wock, doh teif from a man who wocking hard.
help rebuild the country by getting a wock that contributes to the counrty, doh pick up a gun an go rob and teif cause i have somting waiting for allyuh both in the house and in the car and it will change allyuh life if is rob and teif allyuh wah do and come rong me.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 88sins » May 4th, 2017, 5:37 am

EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:I say 2 terms not sure why this isn't a thing. Also for people like imbert 15 seconds max and they need to be out!!!


ah see yuh mistyped so I fixed it fuh yuh

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby maj. tom » May 4th, 2017, 7:56 am

RedVEVO wrote:The Opposition and specific attorneys have submitted the the "Property Tax" is unconstitutional .
They claim it will be challenged in the T&T Legal Courts.

But how long do citizens have to wait for the Opposition's riot and Court battle ?

May 23 rd ?



Why the Opposition couldn't do all this before the bill pass in Parliament, while there was an opportunity to actually do something about it? Why all the beat up from them now that it pass?

Both sides just use the people to get their own means of power.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 16 cycles » May 4th, 2017, 8:00 am

when last opposition won any court case??

good luck to ppl taking kams advice....

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » May 4th, 2017, 9:03 am

16 cycles wrote:when last opposition won any court case??

good luck to ppl taking kams advice....


even better luck to those taking what rowly and his crew are offering

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby The_Honourable » May 4th, 2017, 10:24 am

Imbert say d tax fair...


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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 88sins » May 4th, 2017, 10:29 am

Well I hearing a discussion this AM, have me thinkin about wtf really going on in dis place wit these ppl
if allyuh feel this property tax idea bad, it have ppl go either go mad or drop dong dead when d next shoe drop in 2018/2019.

hint, when property sells, ppl go get their marbles crushed

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby hydroep » May 4th, 2017, 10:43 am

Interesting article by Martin Daly:

DALY BREAD: The poll tax; why PNM’s property tax could lead to electoral defeat again!

The current Government has fatally underestimated the resistance to the proposed property tax. If it does not make concessions on the methodology of its introduction and of its implementation, the property tax will become a poll tax when it leads to defeat at the polls.

Of course, much of the resistance is the natural resistance to paying increased or new taxes, particularly in what is undoubtedly a guava season. But there are a plethora of other potent and upsetting issues.

Paramount among these issues is the security and privacy concern, which are really two overlapping concerns.

Very few citizens are going to let any stranger in the guise of a valuation inspector into their home to inspect their premises and to see the layout—even when a badge or other purported credentials are presented to the occupant of the home. We will cry like the Queen in Sparrow’s calypso, “There is a man in my bedroom.”

False credentials are a reality. With or without credentials, who knows what kind of background check has been done on the valuation inspectors and, most importantly, who knows with whom the strangers are associated or under whose influence they may fall?

This is also a society in which women are vulnerable to attack. Single women living alone ought not to be forced or exposed to having their status disclosed, which will be the inevitable result of a home visit. Moreover, public trust is at its lowest ebb since Independence and fear of human and organ trafficking is rife.

Any methodology of property assessment that requires entry into one’s home will be the first nail in the poll tax coffin. Field observations of where citizens live should be confined to roadside observations. This would sit well with the option of charging property tax in bands, which fix rates by reference to areas instead of individual properties, as I suggest below.

Equally hotly contested is the written information that should accompany the return of ownership declaration that the property owner is required to make. There are serious questions as to the source of the authority to require an owner to provide a floor plan and photograph of the premises and the consequent legality of those demands.

Whatever the legal authority to extract such information from homeowners, such documentation is to provide a road map for bandits—who are frequently untouchable or unapprehended—since it is idle to pretend that information supplied to Government departments necessarily remains confidential within the department.

I have not chosen the label “poll tax” merely to underline the grave electoral threat to the Government when next it faces the polls, if it proceeds to inflict monumental invasions of privacy upon us and to increase our already high sense of unease about our personal safety.

In the United Kingdom, the mighty Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was brought down by her proposal for a poll tax despite having hitherto being unbeatable electorally. The poll tax was a flat rate charge per capita tax on every adult.

I do not want this column to be inflammatory. Readers can follow the turbulent fate of the poll tax and the resignation of Thatcher by looking up the poll tax march of 31 March 1990.

When Thatcher resigned, John Major succeeded her. His Government abolished the poll tax and replaced it with a Council Tax in which each property was assigned to one of eight bands based on property value. The Council tax was intended to replace rates based on the estimated rental value of a home.


For us, I would like consideration to be given to placing local government electoral areas—not individual properties—into bands subject to suitable tax relief for retirees, victims of redundancy and other cases worthy of relief. Residential and business properties would also be placed in different bands.

There is also a significant policy question. Property-based taxes are usually set by the local government area where the taxpayer lives and are intended to fund local government. It appears that the proceeds of our property tax will be part of the Central Government’s revenues.

The current Government should be careful how it embraces that ghost of the former prime minister and party leader, Mr Patrick Manning. Property tax was a significant factor in bringing Manning down in the 2010 General Election. Remember the slogan “Axe the tax” and the crossed arms of Percy refusing entry into his home.

“Axe the tax” will be back with the force of a classic road march. Does this Government want to go there?

Within a few days of each other in May are the deadline for filing the intrusive information about one’s home and the grand opening of the ridiculously expensive Tarouba stadium.

This stadium is arguably the most unnecessary venture ever undertaken by any Government, even if it could double as “a tsunami shelter” as was laughably suggested. Do we want to go there?


http://wired868.com/2017/04/30/daly-bread-the-poll-tax-why-pnms-property-tax-could-lead-to-electoral-defeat-again/
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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby maj. tom » May 4th, 2017, 10:44 am

What about the very low income earners who really can't afford that $1000 a year? With 3 children going to school and it's so hard to make ends meet... they going to jail? fined? what? what is the answer for that? Those people most likely don't even file tax returns to indicate their low income.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Dave » May 4th, 2017, 10:50 am

I do believe that it was said that the property tax rates pre 2009 was due 2016. Has this now been changed to 2017 in 16 and 17?

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Postby toyolink » May 4th, 2017, 11:01 am

I wonder if the PM has the capacity to hear the appeals being made by his people and revisit the implementation of this charge to make the impact a little softer.
I just keep recalling Mr Mannings 'raging bull comment' when I hear the public utterances of Mr Rowley on this matter when addressing folks who see this as too much at this time.
This could really be a test of true statesmanship.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby dude2014 » May 4th, 2017, 12:07 pm

THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXTRACT FROM THE 2017 BUDGET:

Property Tax
Madam Speaker, property tax the world over is widely regarded as the most equitable of taxes. Property Tax collections
will be fully implemented in 2017 based on The Property Tax Act 2009, with minor amendments to the
Valuation of Land Act. It should be noted that the legislation provides for exemptions to homeowners on the
basis of inability to pay. New tax invoices will be issued in 2017, subsequent to the completion of the valuation
roll prepared by the Commissioner of Valuations and the assessment roll prepared by the Inland Revenue Division.
It should be noted that under the Valuations of Land Act, every owner is required to submit a return which will be
used by the Valuation Division to calculate the Annual rental value, failing which the Division will prepare its own valuation.

1. Provides for exemptions to homeowners on the basis of inability to pay.
2. New tax invoices will be issued in 2017.
3. Failure to submit a return, the Valuation Division will prepare its own valuation.

My question is what the a@se the valuation division was doing since 2009? Where is the Valuation Roll?
My question is what the a@se the inland revenue division was doing since 2009? Where is the Assessment Roll?

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 88sins » May 4th, 2017, 12:47 pm

So now we have Property tax. All well & good.
Time to do away with stamp duty.

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Postby zoom rader » May 4th, 2017, 1:30 pm

88sins wrote:So now we have Property tax. All well & good.
Time to do away with stamp duty.



eh No, not under PNM

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Postby 88sins » May 4th, 2017, 2:37 pm

Won't happen under UNC/COP/PP either.

& how much allyuh willing to bet, if by some miracle/black magic/all out paid for method the UNC, or any other party, takes office, that property tax staying right where it is.

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Postby RedVEVO » May 4th, 2017, 4:20 pm

Kamla :

She said the Opposition’s education campaign against the property tax would heighten over the weekend with a motorcade and rally in Central Trinidad constituencies.

“The government is entitled to put out any propaganda they wish but it is clear they are concerned, as they should be, by the fact that citizens are very much against this tax.” She then promised, “We will challenge it in Parliament, we will challenge it in the courts, I have a team of lawyers working on this issue now as we intend to pursue this matter in the courts. It is unconstitutional and an unfair and unjust burden on taxpayers and we intend to fight it.”

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » May 4th, 2017, 4:28 pm

88sins wrote:Won't happen under UNC/COP/PP either.

& how much allyuh willing to bet, if by some miracle/black magic/all out paid for method the UNC, or any other party, takes office, that property tax staying right where it is.


Which is why I am saying it might actually be better if PNM remain in power from now on because PNM go squander and thief less than UNC

Atleast in the past life was nice because UNC squander oil money so it didn't bother us. But we know damn well if UNC ever returns to power them never removing that property tax, computer tax etc it all remaining there because it means more money for the government.

UNLESS the legendary Pandey returns well then you know he will remove the taxes.

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Postby matr1x » May 4th, 2017, 4:55 pm

Are you insane? The amount of stealing gapping right now is unreal. And the racism. To hell with pnm

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Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby car » May 4th, 2017, 5:40 pm

Min of Finance: The property tax paid by commercial property owners is tax deductible. These owners don't have to shoulder the full burden.

So by now announcing this shows me that they making up ting as they go along. Look like they never had a proper plan.

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Postby matr1x » May 4th, 2017, 5:58 pm

Government offices don't have to pay property tax, nor the properties they are renting from. They boys getting their kickback.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 88sins » May 4th, 2017, 7:11 pm

matr1x wrote: And the racism. To hell with pnm


Not to buss yuh bubble eh
But the 1st time UNC got into office, there were several instances of persons of east Indian descent in fact threatening persons of african heritage. Many saying "is we time now". Some of that happened to ppl in my family as well.

No political group hoods the franchise on the publics racist behavior. It starts and ends with small minded idiots that are too stoopid to realize, their hatred is only beneficial to people that don't give a hairy turd about them.

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Postby *$kїđž!™ » May 4th, 2017, 8:53 pm

This will have a ripple effect as mall owners would have to millions in property tax....this will be passed on to the tenants and then passed on to the consumer....so we will all be paying higher prices .....

So gas bill double....online tax ....vat on food items re implemented.....property tax and it's ripple effect.....gosh man thats real advantage of the people.....I hope those ppl who red and ready are happy with their standard of living today in comparison to 5years ago.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sinister_14 » May 4th, 2017, 8:58 pm

Well the red and ready people all yuh gettin free gym....ah set of clowns running this country....when all yuh finish gym...how all yuh go bade half ah d country ent have no water
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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby pete » May 4th, 2017, 10:12 pm

matr1x wrote:Government offices don't have to pay property tax, nor the properties they are renting from. They boys getting their kickback.

This true????

What bullsheit is that?

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