Gulf of Paria Underwater Welders Deaths: Lawsuits Filed

[matr1x]

I doubt they wanted to get those guys out alive. Now they creating a story to justify this

[Val]

I gathered the impression that they were to pig the line after the pump out. But since no pump out, no need to pig.


Given that there were combustibles/toxic chemicals, I would have gone with pump pig and flush.

If the high ups say no, then pull me from. That job. I wants no part.

And sending email for discoverable proof that I was only comfortable with pump, pig, flush.

When them people bun up inside or get engulf, is not my fault.

Pigging requires a pig launcher. Does one exist and is it even in good shape for that line?

[De Dragon]

I doubt they wanted to get those guys out alive. Now they creating a story to justify this

Why on earth would they not have "wanted" this?
It's more possible that they didn't know what they were dealing with, having done a piss poor assessment of the risks beforehand.

[De Dragon]

I gathered the impression that they were to pig the line after the pump out. But since no pump out, no need to pig.


Given that there were combustibles/toxic chemicals, I would have gone with pump pig and flush.

If the high ups say no, then pull me from. That job. I wants no part.

And sending email for discoverable proof that I was only comfortable with pump, pig, flush.

When them people bun up inside or get engulf, is not my fault.

Pigging requires a pig launcher. Does one exist and is it even in good shape for that line?

Yes, pigging of lines from NGC to Beachfield, PPGPL is common, and those lines are bigger

[Val]

I gathered the impression that they were to pig the line after the pump out. But since no pump out, no need to pig.


Given that there were combustibles/toxic chemicals, I would have gone with pump pig and flush.

If the high ups say no, then pull me from. That job. I wants no part.

And sending email for discoverable proof that I was only comfortable with pump, pig, flush.

When them people bun up inside or get engulf, is not my fault.

Pigging requires a pig launcher. Does one exist and is it even in good shape for that line?

Yes, pigging of lines from NGC to Beachfield, PPGPL is common, and those lines are bigger

I mean specifically this riser and related line at Berth 5.

[mad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK47SC6kr_A
Nice video here in case some of the keyboard lawyers think diving in a pipe has never been done before.

I am pretty sure they have a rescue plan in case their divers are stuck in the pipe; performing repairs to said pipe.

Notice he went feet down first in the riser then turned at the elbow. Although this is 42'' which is bigger than 36'' but a small frame diver can attempt this in a 36'' pipe.

They were not working inside the pipe. The works were conducted on the outside so not sure they would consider contigencies for divers stuck inside the pipeline. The delta p was an anomaly . They were not at any time suppose to be in the pipeline. The pipeline was filled with toxic materials.

That being said what sort of rescue plan needs to take place to rescue 4 men stuck in a 30" pipeline that they not suppose to be in. I think many of us have been downplaying just how difficult a rescue of this nature may have been in reality. That 42" pipeline barely has any room for the diver to turn his head I can only imagine how small a 30" pipeline would be to send support materials and equipment through to enact a successful rescue effort.

They are working on a Pipeline underwater to connect a Riser. If they didn't have a rescue plan that include rescue in a pipeline, then both Paria and Contractor at fault. And delta P should not be an anomaly. If it was, then the wrong people were in charge of the job.

BTW 30'' is not that small, I went in confined spaces and crawled through pipelines as small as 26''; Also rescued people in Confined Spaces too; but that was in my younger days; but on land though.

[pugboy]

i watch a. id of coast guard hargreaves
man clearly lying and claiming ignorance to cover his tail

how could a senior man be going on an hour long trip to the site and say he didn’t know any details or why he going there whilst the driver just came from same place

[16 cycles]

i watch a. id of coast guard hargreaves
man clearly lying and claiming ignorance to cover his tail

how could a senior man be going on an hour long trip to the site and say he didn’t know any details or why he going there whilst the driver just came from same place

Heard abt radio silence but them ain't even talk to each other on the same small craft...thaz another level of discipline!!!

[mad]

Everyone trying to make a youtube video of this tragic incident.

[DMan7]

Allour think they will make a movie of this one day?

[mad]

Won't be surprised if Netflix make a documentary on it.

[sMASH]

The last significant disaster in this scale, the BP oil soil in the gulf of Mexico, matt Damon stared in the movie fir it.

[wing]

Deepwater Horizon is about an oil spill, not sure what is oil soil. Also starred Mark Wahlberg.

[sMASH]

What cause it wasn't exciting, but the action would draw some attention to it.


But this paria ting, I seeing this as a training vid like the piper alpha stuff.

[mad]

What cause it wasn't exciting, but the action would draw some attention to it.


But this paria ting, I seeing this as a training vid like the piper alpha stuff.

I am actually developing one for a prominent diving company in Trinidad. Hoping to finish it before the International market takes a go at it too.

[sMASH]

Get the reason why the delta P happened.

[mad]

Those in this industry knows exactly what is the most probable cause, I sent a video early in this tread, this can give you a simple explanation as to how this work was performed and a possible reason for the Delta P. I would keep my opinions and thoughts about this to myself as this can lead to a mix of emotions; plus we will let the COE decide that.

[Val]

I believe the CoE reconvenes tomorrow.

[Animal Pak]

Here you go

[Dizzy28]

^ When Rhoda and her video of the inside of the pipeline going before the CoE?

[pugboy]

they should summons her and ask her how she get the video

[Animal Pak]

Mushtaq government connections better be big.

He won't have a job by the end of today.

[gastly369]

Mushtaq government connections better be big.

He won't have a job by the end of today.

Level wood

[16 cycles]

Seems they want LMCS to absorb full blame saying they had supervisory role and if that didnt work, put the onsite Paria sup as a fall guy.

[sMASH]

Signatories for the Procedures up and down the flag pole supposed to be liable.
Only when they acted against the procedures, without agreement, then lmcs responsible for that.
Where the procedure is lacking, paria shares that liability.
But that is wrt causing the event.

The tardiness on rescue the men resulted in their deaths. Paria has that on their back.

[16 cycles]

Paria prob thought CG would save ppl...but CG look like a rel joke based on the testimony of their officers...

[pugboy]

paria keep rehashing about didn’t want any risk in rescue, like they rehearse that over and over

[teems1]

paria keep rehashing about didn’t want any risk in rescue, like they rehearse that over and over

That makes sense though.

Without a proper understanding of the situation and variables, sending persons to attempt to rescue could make matters worse.

The part everyone needs to understand is that the decision was made by the higher ups to let the divers die not because they wanted them to, but the situation forced their hand.

Which headline is worse? 4 divers dead, or 4 divers and 5 rescuers dead?

[Animal Pak]

Politics is a hell of a thing.

If this exact situation like for like happened (same scenario, same people, same outcome) but instead of Paria it was bptt.

Would public perception be different?

Would anyone be charged?

Would fines be levied?

[teems1]

Politics is a hell of a thing.

If this exact situation like for like happened (same scenario, same people, same outcome) but instead of Paria it was bptt.

Would public perception be different?

Would anyone be charged?

Would fines be levied?

The people would hear some bpTT mouthpiece say the exact same line that there existed too much risk due to unknown factors, and rushing to rescue could have lead to more injuries/fatalities.

However they would accept that, since it came from a foreigner.