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Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Earlier on you said "man was created for no other reason but to worship GOD alone".AdamB wrote:"Scriptures" are supposed to give guidance, informing about GOD, man and establishing GOD's legislation (laws) for man to follow.
Why is it then God needed to send scripture and teach man how to worship?
Messengers were sent:
1. As a mercy to man from GOD
2. To show / lead man to the way of GOD
3. To establish the proof against man. So that on the Day of Judgment, man would have no excuse like to say that the message or messenger did not reach them. No one needs to teach man how to breathe, eat, sleep and other natural body functions. God gave us instinct and a complex chemical and neurological system to handle that.but there is division and difference of opinion in every single religion!AdamB wrote:If the Bible is flawed and cannot accurately provide this guidance, then will it provide misguidance even though its followers have good intention? Is the vast divisions of its followers evidence of this?
megadoc1 wrote:humes all I need to know is what do you consider evilHumes wrote:megadoc1 wrote:humes I ask a simple question,
can you tell me what s evil?
If it's so simple, answer it. With your answer, proceed appropriately.I've argued my point clearly, and you've failed to contend it reasonably. Maintain the empty denials, or bring a substantial rebuttal to the table. Your choice.
we really need to define this before we can go any further.
Humes wrote:
If the Bible is supposed to be, as you yourself said, an instruction manual for life, but its instructions are impossible to interpret "accurately", then it's flawed.
that's the problem, my definition of evil comes from the bibleHumes wrote:We can go further, man. You define it. If we disagree, we move accordingly.
AdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Simple vocabulary.
Words have specific meanings.
Using terms like "I don't think you grasped the gist of what I was trying to say" and "read between the lines" cannot sugar coat the word, nor can you apply your own meaning to a word and say "Well that is what I meant". "their religion is called POOR" is what it means.
Similarly infidel means un-believer, so I don't see what is wrong with using the term.in·fi·del [in-fi-dl, -del]
noun
1. Religion
a. a person who does not accept a particular faith, especially Christianity.
b. (in Christian use) an unbeliever, especially a Muslim.
c. (in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.
2. a person who has no religious faith; unbeliever.
3. (loosely) a person who disbelieves or doubts a particular theory, belief, creed, etc.; skeptic.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/infidel
if you twist meanings around in your head, I wonder if what you are telling us about your own beliefs is actual or just what you choose to believe.
Duane,
You should know by now that I back up my statements with evidence. BTW this is no fight as suggested.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel
Excerpt:
Islamic
Infidel is an English language word commonly used to translate the equivalent Arabic language word for non-Muslims; kafir, literally the one who "covers", is usually translated as "disbeliever"; i.e. in English translations of the Quranic verse, 109:1,[16][17][18] In the Islamic doctrinal sense, the term only refers to a person who does not recognize the one God (Allah) such as atheists and polytheists. However, since Islam considers Jews and Christians as fellow believers they are called "People of the Book (Ahl al-kitab)" instead.[19][20][21]
Kafir, like infidel, has also come to be regarded as offensive,[22] thus some Muslim scholars discourage its use due to the Quran's command to use kind words.[23][22] It is even a punishable offense to use this term against a Jew or a Christian, under Islamic law.[22] Some contemporary Muslim extremists, however, have applied the term to all non-Muslims.[19]
megadoc1 wrote:so I need to know your definition of evil and where it is taken from ...
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ some more feedback would be good
you are complimenting him when he said early on in this thread that Hindu gods are demons that he cast out of someone.AdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Simple vocabulary.
Words have specific meanings.
Using terms like "I don't think you grasped the gist of what I was trying to say" and "read between the lines" cannot sugar coat the word, nor can you apply your own meaning to a word and say "Well that is what I meant". "their religion is called POOR" is what it means.
Similarly infidel means un-believer, so I don't see what is wrong with using the term.in·fi·del [in-fi-dl, -del]
noun
1. Religion
a. a person who does not accept a particular faith, especially Christianity.
b. (in Christian use) an unbeliever, especially a Muslim.
c. (in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.
2. a person who has no religious faith; unbeliever.
3. (loosely) a person who disbelieves or doubts a particular theory, belief, creed, etc.; skeptic.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/infidel
if you twist meanings around in your head, I wonder if what you are telling us about your own beliefs is actual or just what you choose to believe.
Duane,
You should know by now that I back up my statements with evidence. BTW this is no fight as suggested.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel
Excerpt:
Islamic
Infidel is an English language word commonly used to translate the equivalent Arabic language word for non-Muslims; kafir, literally the one who "covers", is usually translated as "disbeliever"; i.e. in English translations of the Quranic verse, 109:1,[16][17][18] In the Islamic doctrinal sense, the term only refers to a person who does not recognize the one God (Allah) such as atheists and polytheists. However, since Islam considers Jews and Christians as fellow believers they are called "People of the Book (Ahl al-kitab)" instead.[19][20][21]
Kafir, like infidel, has also come to be regarded as offensive,[22] thus some Muslim scholars discourage its use due to the Quran's command to use kind words.[23][22] It is even a punishable offense to use this term against a Jew or a Christian, under Islamic law.[22] Some contemporary Muslim extremists, however, have applied the term to all non-Muslims.[19]
that is what some people "regard" the word to mean
More interpretations
megadoc1 wrote:humes is there such a thing called evil? if so what is your understanding of it?
the reason I am asking is because it seems like you are borrowing the bible's
definition of evil to refute the bible...see where this is going?
one more timeHumes wrote:megadoc1 wrote:humes is there such a thing called evil? if so what is your understanding of it?
the reason I am asking is because it seems like you are borrowing the bible's
definition of evil to refute the bible...see where this is going?
I showed you exactly where this is going in my last post. Regardless of what my definition of evil is, or where I got it, the bottom line is that Christians, yourself included, who define evil based on the Bible, acknowledge that many Christians commit evil acts based on the same Bible.
If the Bible defines evil and but can be used to justify its own definition of evil, it's a flawed text. If the Bible's definition of evil is so open to interpretation that no one can pin down exactly what evil is, it's a flawed text.
So make your argument or keep deflecting. Your choice.
you didnt answer my question in context.AdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Earlier on you said "man was created for no other reason but to worship GOD alone".AdamB wrote:"Scriptures" are supposed to give guidance, informing about GOD, man and establishing GOD's legislation (laws) for man to follow.
Why is it then God needed to send scripture and teach man how to worship?
Messengers were sent:
1. As a mercy to man from GOD
2. To show / lead man to the way of GOD
3. To establish the proof against man. So that on the Day of Judgment, man would have no excuse like to say that the message or messenger did not reach them. No one needs to teach man how to breathe, eat, sleep and other natural body functions. God gave us instinct and a complex chemical and neurological system to handle that.but there is division and difference of opinion in every single religion!AdamB wrote:If the Bible is flawed and cannot accurately provide this guidance, then will it provide misguidance even though its followers have good intention? Is the vast divisions of its followers evidence of this?
Difference of opinion with each opinion being correct is not the same as difference of opinion with only one correct opinion and many deviated sects that may be outside of the religion.
Duane I too had similar questions, why do we as children needed training? why do we need to train our children? why don't they just grow up doing good? or being proper in society? and why is it easier for us to do the wrong things? or if we are not trained why do we do wrong instead of right?Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
No one needs to teach man how to breathe, eat, sleep and other natural body functions. God gave us instinct and a complex chemical and neurological system to handle that. So why we need to be taught to worship via a divine book?
I'd appreciate if megadoc1, sweetiepaper etc etc answered too
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:No one needs to teach man how to breathe, eat, sleep and other natural body functions. God gave us instinct and a complex chemical and neurological system to handle that. So why we need to be taught to worship via a divine book?
I'd appreciate if megadoc1, sweetiepaper etc etc answered too
With regards to divisions, are you saying the opinion of Shia and Sunnis are both correct?
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:you didnt answer my question in context.AdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Earlier on you said "man was created for no other reason but to worship GOD alone".AdamB wrote:"Scriptures" are supposed to give guidance, informing about GOD, man and establishing GOD's legislation (laws) for man to follow.
Why is it then God needed to send scripture and teach man how to worship?
Messengers were sent:
1. As a mercy to man from GOD
2. To show / lead man to the way of GOD
3. To establish the proof against man. So that on the Day of Judgment, man would have no excuse like to say that the message or messenger did not reach them. No one needs to teach man how to breathe, eat, sleep and other natural body functions. God gave us instinct and a complex chemical and neurological system to handle that.but there is division and difference of opinion in every single religion!AdamB wrote:If the Bible is flawed and cannot accurately provide this guidance, then will it provide misguidance even though its followers have good intention? Is the vast divisions of its followers evidence of this?
Difference of opinion with each opinion being correct is not the same as difference of opinion with only one correct opinion and many deviated sects that may be outside of the religion.
No one needs to teach man how to breathe, eat, sleep and other natural body functions. God gave us instinct and a complex chemical and neurological system to handle that. So why we need to be taught to worship via a divine book?
We were created with the inclination to lowly desires / evil. GOD gave this lowly desires power over the hearts and put them to the test of opposing it in order that through such opposition the hearts may attain the abode of Paradise. Messengers were sent with guidance from GOD on how to oppose these evil desires thereby attaining Paradise.
I'd appreciate if megadoc1, sweetiepaper etc etc answered too
With regards to divisions, are you saying the opinion of Shia and Sunnis are both correct?
firstchoicett wrote:You something it's only the people who don't reply pray bad things happen too .
People need training to worship God ?
Humes wrote:firstchoicett wrote:You something it's only the people who don't reply pray bad things happen too .
As clearly evidenced by Job.
That is a real ignorant and malevolent thing to say. Terrible things happen to people who pray all the time.People need training to worship God ?
Yeah. Prayer, and even belief in God, is socialised behavior. A child won't know anything about praying or about God and religion if it isn't told. It wouldn't know anything about a supposed need to worship (in whatever way) if it isn't told about it.
I disagree,bluefete wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:No one needs to teach man how to breathe, eat, sleep and other natural body functions. God gave us instinct and a complex chemical and neurological system to handle that. So why we need to be taught to worship via a divine book?
I'd appreciate if megadoc1, sweetiepaper etc etc answered too
With regards to divisions, are you saying the opinion of Shia and Sunnis are both correct?
Duane: You are being disingenuous. Do our instincts kick in from birth so that we do not need any support from our parents? If our neurological systems are so defined from birth, there would be no need for our parents to nurture us. Does not the same apply to the animal kingdom?
If a baby is left to its own devices from birth, can it instinctively find food and feed itself?
God gave us laws for our own protection. If societies lived according to the tenets of the 10 commandments - what kind of world would it be?
ah ha ,I am glad you realize the distinction between the twoDuane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Megadoc1, you are talking about social training and what is considered to be socially acceptable.
I am talking about basic body functions.
If our main purpose is to worship God, why do we need training for that but we do not need training to know how to sleep or when to eat?
train us in which way?megadoc1 wrote:he seeks to train us in the spiritual side of things.....
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:...Worship is not even built into us like the need to love and be loved by other humans. So why do you think it is thought that we were created with the sole purpose of worship?
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