Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

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Heard our prime minister making those statements, if you fully vaccinated, you would die a better death. Thanks to vaccination, normal coming soon man doh worry. Just take the jab and get back to living!

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They rather rona

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Heard our prime minister making those statements, if you fully vaccinated, you would die a better death. Thanks to vaccination, normal coming soon man doh worry. Just take the jab and get back to living!

Repost from July 31

'The CMO noted that 90.4 percent of HDU admissions were unvaccinated patients with 9.6 percent being partially vaccinated.

Furthermore, he said 84.4 percent of ICU admissions were unvaccinated patients with 15.6 percent being partially vaccinated.

As for deaths, Dr Parasram said 96.9 percent of deaths were unvaccinated patients with 3.1 percent being partially vaccinated.

The CMO said: "There is no one at this time that has met the criteria of being fully vaccinated and has passed away from COVID-19 in Trinidad or Tobago."'

https://tt.loopnews.com/content/cmo-no- ... d-covid-19

Current data from Seattle, USA:





What to take away  

Getting vaccinated is the best way to reduce your risk of getting seriously ill or dying from COVID-19. It’s the best way to protect yourself from getting so sick that you need to be hospitalized. And it significantly reduces your risk of catching COVID-19 at all and spreading it to others.  

It also reminds us that no vaccine is 100-percent effective, so it is not surprising that there are still cases, hospitalizations, and even deaths among fully vaccinated people. That means we need everyone to take precautions and help stop the current outbreak from growing and potentially overwhelming our healthcare system.  

In addition to getting vaccinated, you can help prevent COVID-19 from spreading by: Wearing a well-made, snug-fitting face covering in indoor public spaces and in outdoor settings where you can’t physically distance (including all large events); improving indoor airflow and ventilation; and, if you feel sick or have  had close contact with someone with COVID-19, getting tested and isolating yourself while you await results.

https://publichealthinsider.com/2021/09 ... ed-people/

[88sins]

I just wondering what are the odds that 3 fully vaccinated persons working in the same company would contract the virus, and at the same time, and all have severe disease requiring medical intervention, given that vaccine developers and politicians alike touting vaccination as the best solution to prevent both severe disease and hospitalization.

Allyuh, just keep in mind, even if vaccinated, you can still contract the virus, and thus you can still potentially be a vector for the virus, and most importantly, it can still kill you or leave you hanging in a position that you really don't want to be in.

Do you know which vaccine they took? Because it should only be people who are severely immunocompromised that are hospitalized even though fully vaccinated. Plus it couldn't be that the vaccine immunity was waning because we haven't had vaccines here long enough for that.

One male and female took the AZ, the one with the clotting disorder took the SP, none of them vaccinated longer than 3 months. So waning immune response is unlikely.

[Dohplaydat]

I just wondering what are the odds that 3 fully vaccinated persons working in the same company would contract the virus, and at the same time, and all have severe disease requiring medical intervention, given that vaccine developers and politicians alike touting vaccination as the best solution to prevent both severe disease and hospitalization.

Allyuh, just keep in mind, even if vaccinated, you can still contract the virus, and thus you can still potentially be a vector for the virus, and most importantly, it can still kill you or leave you hanging in a position that you really don't want to be in.

Do you know which vaccine they took? Because it should only be people who are severely immunocompromised that are hospitalized even though fully vaccinated. Plus it couldn't be that the vaccine immunity was waning because we haven't had vaccines here long enough for that.

One male and female took the AZ, the one with the clotting disorder took the SP, none of them vaccinated longer than 3 months. So waning immune response is unlikely.

OK it seems really really really unlike that this is true. Let's do the odds assuming they were all unvaccinated first.

In Trinidad at most 15% of confirmed cases need hospitalization.

of that 15% let's go with another worse case figure and say 20% will need ICU.

So now let's assume these people are all near 60. Their rate of hospitalization and ICU is probably 5X the average case.

So 0.15 * 0.2 * 5 = 0.15 or 15% probability that each of those persons would need ICU treatment if they contracted covid. In reality, it's probably much lower, but I'm trying to show you how improbable it is.

Now to get the probability of all 3 of them all needing ICU we use the Product Rule. This states that the probability of the occurrence of independent events is the product of their individual probabilities. The probability of three persons needing ICU is 0.15 * 0.15 * 0.15 is now 0.003375 or 0.34% or 1 in 300.

And that's if they're unvaccinated, close to age 60 and facing worst case odds......being vaccinated probably changes that to 1 in a 5000.

So I call BS on your story..

Btw the rate of ICU death for covid here in T&T is 90% so I fully expect if you were to keep up with this BS story, at least 2 of them should die......if you want to make this believable.

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Fully vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalization averages about 1:50. The probability knockon effect for three events is 1:125,000.

It can happen but it is unlikely.

[Dohplaydat]

Vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalization averages about 1:50. The probability knockon effect for three events is 1:125,000.

It can happen but it is unlikely.

Very unlikely, but you can't expect anti-vaxxers to do their math right before making outrageous claims.

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Good morning Kevin,


Seems you don't understand herd Immunity is a myth and has been announced as such , you want something as close to herd Immunity as possible, that's near impossible

See link

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

Five reasons why COVID herd immunity is probably impossible

Even with vaccination efforts in full force, the theoretical threshold for vanquishing COVID-19 looks to be out of reach.

Stay safe Mr. Gomez

Ent I tell ollour anti vax and dem gonna use the herd immunity argument to further anti vax?

[Mmoney607]

Vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalization averages about 1:50. The probability knockon effect for three events is 1:125,000.

It can happen but it is unlikely.

Very unlikely, but you can't expect anti-vaxxers to do their math right before making outrageous claims.

Is 88 sins known to be a purveyor of fairytales? I doubt a man coming on here to make up that story. The people could have comorbidities which lead them into difficulty. These vaccines are not as infallible as they want to make it seem. But you all won't like believe that because you think your fully protected.

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That's the God complex bro

Vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalization averages about 1:50. The probability knockon effect for three events is 1:125,000.

It can happen but it is unlikely.

Very unlikely, but you can't expect anti-vaxxers to do their math right before making outrageous claims.

Is 88 sins known to be a purveyor of fairytales? I doubt a man coming on here to make up that story. The people could have comorbidities which lead them into difficulty. These vaccines are not as infallible as they want to make it seem. But you all won't like believe that because you think your fully protected.

[Mmoney607]

Good morning Kevin,


Seems you don't understand herd Immunity is a myth and has been announced as such , you want something as close to herd Immunity as possible, that's near impossible

Ent I tell ollour anti vax and dem gonna use the herd immunity argument to further anti vax?

How men on here only have real common names like Kevin and Jason?

But yes, herd immunity is not possible according to the man who spearheaded the development of the AZ vaccine, his quotes are well documented. What "anti vaxxers" are saying is that it doesn't make sense to pursue herd immunity because it is not possible. A focused protection strategy is what was needed since March 2020.

[viedcht]

How men on here only have real common names like Kevin and Jason?

Somebody type mih name dey. What ah win?

[88sins]

Hello dotish dohplaywithyuhmammycyat.
Well, let me start by saying, I don't need or want you to try to show me "how improbable it is". Your opinion, as far as I'm concerned, is as valueable as foreign used fecal saturated toilet paper.
Now, I can see why you'd say that, since you've swallowed the bs vaccine campaign and are strongly pro vaccine, and it would be a great disappointment to hear that vaccinated people contracted the virus and in hospital. Rest assured, I don't care about your disbeliefs or disappointment. You may believe and parrot whatever nonsense you wish, as per your usual.
Nevertheless, to put your manure infested mind at ease understand the following (if you can, I know you are not very bright, so I'll keep it very basic for you)

1-I've known these people for decades, the longest being almost 25 years.
2-I've seen all their original vaccination cards, so I know they were all fully vaccinated prior to infection.
3-I wish death on no person, we all will have our turn, including you.
4-This is the most important part, so pay keen attention...






























































You are now, and always were, and I surmise forever will be, an idiot, and since I really don't debate with idiots, this will be my last response to your mindless yammering posts.

Take care now, buh bye.

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Hello dotish dohplaywithyuhmammycyat.
Well, let me start by saying, I don't need or want you to try to show me "how improbable it is". Your opinion, as far as I'm concerned, is as valueable as foreign used fecal saturated toilet paper.
Now, I can see why you'd say that, since you've swallowed the bs vaccine campaign and are strongly pro vaccine, and it would be a great disappointment to hear that vaccinated people contracted the virus and in hospital. Rest assured, I don't care about your disbeliefs or disappointment. You may believe and parrot whatever nonsense you wish, as per your usual.
Nevertheless, to put your manure infested mind at ease understand the following (if you can, I know you are not very bright, so I'll keep it very basic for you)

1-I've known these people for decades, the longest being almost 25 years.
2-I've seen all their original vaccination cards, so I know they were all fully vaccinated prior to infection.
3-I wish death on no person, we all will have our turn, including you.
4-This is the most important part, so pay keen attention...


















You are now, and always were, and I surmise forever will be, an idiot, and since I really don't debate with idiots, this will be my last response to your mindless yammering posts.

Take care now, buh bye.

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Excellent breakdown nonetheless

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Good morning Kevin,


Seems you don't understand herd Immunity is a myth and has been announced as such , you want something as close to herd Immunity as possible, that's near impossible

Ent I tell ollour anti vax and dem gonna use the herd immunity argument to further anti vax?

How men on here only have real common names like Kevin and Jason?

But yes, herd immunity is not possible according to the man who spearheaded the development of the AZ vaccine, his quotes are well documented. What "anti vaxxers" are saying is that it doesn't make sense to pursue herd immunity because it is not possible. A focused protection strategy is what was needed since March 2020.

Read the story and you will see:

"In February, independent data scientist Youyang Gu changed the name of his popular COVID-19 forecasting model from ‘Path to Herd Immunity’ to ‘Path to Normality’. He said that reaching a herd-immunity threshold was looking unlikely

because of factors such as

vaccine hesitancy,

the emergence of new variants and

the delayed arrival of vaccinations for children."

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Hello dotish dohplaywithyuhmammycyat.

I think its short for daran

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It will always be a game of catch up thus that's what causes the ever shifting goalposts of herd immunity...basically

Good morning Kevin,


Seems you don't understand herd Immunity is a myth and has been announced as such , you want something as close to herd Immunity as possible, that's near impossible

Ent I tell ollour anti vax and dem gonna use the herd immunity argument to further anti vax?

How men on here only have real common names like Kevin and Jason?

But yes, herd immunity is not possible according to the man who spearheaded the development of the AZ vaccine, his quotes are well documented. What "anti vaxxers" are saying is that it doesn't make sense to pursue herd immunity because it is not possible. A focused protection strategy is what was needed since March 2020.

Read the story and you will see:

"In February, independent data scientist Youyang Gu changed the name of his popular COVID-19 forecasting model from ‘Path to Herd Immunity’ to ‘Path to Normality’. He said that reaching a herd-immunity threshold was looking unlikely because of factors such as vaccine hesitancy, the emergence of new variants and the delayed arrival of vaccinations for children."

[aaron17]

Your comment has no clear reference to anything that you quoted above.

I underline it for you. The reference is you took the vaccine already to protect you from covid. Children are asymptomatic and as you said children becoming ill is rare. You being vaccinated means if you develop symptoms and if your child is a carrier then you should have a mild cold. We already established the vaccine works by increasing antibody counts. When you do a covid antibody serology test you can see it works. We also established that vaccinated individuals can still get covid. I already picked my poison, we have to live with this. I see no reason for vaccinating children.

Children are the most vulnerable? I thought the elderly were.

This children thing is the biggest myth. Obviously no one want there child to get sick but children get all sorts illnesses all the time and survive.

if d child vaxxed and go and visit 80 year old tanty who read something on d internet or whatsapp and fraid d vaccine and didnt get vaccinated then she would be safer.

No soldier. I would advise the 80 year old to get vaccinated and if they don't want to I would then advise them to not have any visitors. You can't put that kinda burden on children.

and what if they have a medical reason not to like allergies? this is why we need more immunity in the population which means less spread of the virus- we need to get as close as possible to herd immunity so EVERYONE is protected including persons who cant take the vax, or who can but may not benefit form it e.g. immunocompromised. what if a relative of yours falls into that category?

The head of the Oxford Vaccine group, Sir Andrew Pollard has already said that herd immunity is not possible. I posted the article with quotes many times on here.

That’s not an argument for not getting the vaccine.

redmanjp said “as close as possible to herd immunity”

Seatbelts and airbags do not guarantee everyone will not be injured or will survive a crash but that is not an argument for not using them to reduce the amount of risk and deaths as much as possible.

I didn't know u putting seatbelts in ur body.

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Wtf

I underline it for you. The reference is you took the vaccine already to protect you from covid. Children are asymptomatic and as you said children becoming ill is rare. You being vaccinated means if you develop symptoms and if your child is a carrier then you should have a mild cold. We already established the vaccine works by increasing antibody counts. When you do a covid antibody serology test you can see it works. We also established that vaccinated individuals can still get covid. I already picked my poison, we have to live with this. I see no reason for vaccinating children.

Children are the most vulnerable? I thought the elderly were.

This children thing is the biggest myth. Obviously no one want there child to get sick but children get all sorts illnesses all the time and survive.

if d child vaxxed and go and visit 80 year old tanty who read something on d internet or whatsapp and fraid d vaccine and didnt get vaccinated then she would be safer.

No soldier. I would advise the 80 year old to get vaccinated and if they don't want to I would then advise them to not have any visitors. You can't put that kinda burden on children.

and what if they have a medical reason not to like allergies? this is why we need more immunity in the population which means less spread of the virus- we need to get as close as possible to herd immunity so EVERYONE is protected including persons who cant take the vax, or who can but may not benefit form it e.g. immunocompromised. what if a relative of yours falls into that category?

The head of the Oxford Vaccine group, Sir Andrew Pollard has already said that herd immunity is not possible. I posted the article with quotes many times on here.

That’s not an argument for not getting the vaccine.

redmanjp said “as close as possible to herd immunity”

Seatbelts and airbags do not guarantee everyone will not be injured or will survive a crash but that is not an argument for not using them to reduce the amount of risk and deaths as much as possible.

I didn't know u putting seatbelts in ur body.

[Dohplaydat]

Hello dotish dohplaywithyuhmammycyat.
Well, let me start by saying, I don't need or want you to try to show me "how improbable it is". Your opinion, as far as I'm concerned, is as valueable as foreign used fecal saturated toilet paper.
Now, I can see why you'd say that, since you've swallowed the bs vaccine campaign and are strongly pro vaccine, and it would be a great disappointment to hear that vaccinated people contracted the virus and in hospital. Rest assured, I don't care about your disbeliefs or disappointment. You may believe and parrot whatever nonsense you wish, as per your usual.
Nevertheless, to put your manure infested mind at ease understand the following (if you can, I know you are not very bright, so I'll keep it very basic for you)

1-I've known these people for decades, the longest being almost 25 years.
2-I've seen all their original vaccination cards, so I know they were all fully vaccinated prior to infection.
3-I wish death on no person, we all will have our turn, including you.
4-This is the most important part, so pay keen attention...






























































You are now, and always were, and I surmise forever will be, an idiot, and since I really don't debate with idiots, this will be my last response to your mindless yammering posts.

Take care now, buh bye.

LOL panties twist up bad there.

I didn't invent Math bro, so chill yourself and go make a next fake account to back up some more of your BS. I don't debate liars.

[Mmoney607]

Good morning Kevin,


Seems you don't understand herd Immunity is a myth and has been announced as such , you want something as close to herd Immunity as possible, that's near impossible

Ent I tell ollour anti vax and dem gonna use the herd immunity argument to further anti vax?

How men on here only have real common names like Kevin and Jason?

But yes, herd immunity is not possible according to the man who spearheaded the development of the AZ vaccine, his quotes are well documented. What "anti vaxxers" are saying is that it doesn't make sense to pursue herd immunity because it is not possible. A focused protection strategy is what was needed since March 2020.

Read the story and you will see:

"In February, independent data scientist Youyang Gu changed the name of his popular COVID-19 forecasting model from ‘Path to Herd Immunity’ to ‘Path to Normality’. He said that reaching a herd-immunity threshold was looking unlikely

because of factors such as

vaccine hesitancy,

the emergence of new variants and

the delayed arrival of vaccinations for children."

The last two points make sense. But they are irrelevant because new variants were always going to come out and vaccination of the 70% or however much of the world was always not practical. Remember when they were saying the vaccines would take 1-2 years to be rolled out? When they realized that you could still get and spread the virus after vaccination they shouldve known that herd immunity was not possible.

[88sins]

Herd immunity, whether likely or even possible, is a goal, not necessarily a solution.
This disease is relatively new to humans. Keyword there being relatively. We have been exposed coronavirus strains before, and gotten their transmission rates under control.
Vaccines may be a tool in the arsenal to help us to achieve the goal of getting the spread of the virus under control, at least to some degree. But to achieve the goal of eliminating the virus totally, or even mostly, vaccines alone won't accomplish the objective.

[Penguin]

I was vaccine-hesitant at first. Mainly because of the untested mRNA vaccines which seem to be safe now.

But in all honesty, I think we need to cull the obvious misinformation being posted by anti-vaxxers here. And I'm referring to 88sins.

I have a contact at Couva, a young doc, and i just asked him if he could confirm a rumor I saw online where someone said 3 fully vaccinated persons were in ICU right now. His response:

"There are no fully vaccinated persons in ICU or HDU right now at Couva"

There you have it. Now maybe 88sins means hospitalized and on oxygen, maybe he doesn't know the difference or heard some rumor himself about their condition. But I can assure you with 100% certainty that there are no fully vaccinated persons in ICU at Couva.

EDIT:

He just updated me:

There are 3 in ICU who are partially vaccinated, maybe that is where the rumor stems from.

[Mmoney607]

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[Dohplaydat]

Yo 88sins,

If what you say is true (I will concede to take back calling your story BS).....it is VERY concerning as well as SUPER unlikely. The math and assumptions don't lie, but share one thing, do any of those 3 in your story have comorbidities?

[88sins]

I was vaccine-hesitant at first. Mainly because of the untested mRNA vaccines which seem to be safe now.

But in all honesty, I think we need to cull the obvious misinformation being posted by anti-vaxxers here. And I'm referring to 88sins.

I have a contact at Couva, a young doc, and i just asked him if he could confirm a rumor I saw online where someone said 3 fully vaccinated persons were in ICU right now. His response:

"There are no fully vaccinated persons in ICU or HDU right now at Couva"

There you have it. Now maybe 88sins means hospitalized and on oxygen, maybe he doesn't know the difference or heard some rumor himself about their condition. But I can assure you with 100% certainty that there are no fully vaccinated persons in ICU at Couva.

EDIT:

He just updated me:

There are 3 in ICU who are partially vaccinated, maybe that is where the rumor stems from.

Believe what you want, from wherever you heard it. And you shouldn't assume. Because couva isn't the only facility in trinidad with an icu treating covid patients, and if you were paying attention you'd have noticed I never mentioned what facility they were in.
Anyway...

Funny how you think I'm anti-vaxx tho. Tbh, I'm neither pro nor anti. My position has always been, if you want it, take it, and if not, don't. But don't try to tell people that you don't know what to do if their stance differs from yours. Respect people's choices on what they do with their own body. Simple as that.

[Mmoney607]

I was vaccine-hesitant at first. Mainly because of the untested mRNA vaccines which seem to be safe now.

But in all honesty, I think we need to cull the obvious misinformation being posted by anti-vaxxers here. And I'm referring to 88sins.

I have a contact at Couva, a young doc, and i just asked him if he could confirm a rumor I saw online where someone said 3 fully vaccinated persons were in ICU right now. His response:

"There are no fully vaccinated persons in ICU or HDU right now at Couva"

There you have it. Now maybe 88sins means hospitalized and on oxygen, maybe he doesn't know the difference or heard some rumor himself about their condition. But I can assure you with 100% certainty that there are no fully vaccinated persons in ICU at Couva.

EDIT:

He just updated me:

There are 3 in ICU who are partially vaccinated, maybe that is where the rumor stems from.

If partially vaccinated people are in ICU that should be concerning to some.

^This is according to gavi based on the clinical trials from AZ. Why didn't the vaccine had the effects promised in these people? The 2nd shot is just supposed to be a booster to make the protection last longer. You shouldn't be in ICU with one shot if what AZ claims is true.

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This is the fear the pro vaxx crew instills in the vaxx hesitant RIP

[ScHoolboySoloQ]

I just wondering what are the odds that 3 fully vaccinated persons working in the same company would contract the virus, and at the same time, and all have severe disease requiring medical intervention, given that vaccine developers and politicians alike touting vaccination as the best solution to prevent both severe disease and hospitalization.

Allyuh, just keep in mind, even if vaccinated, you can still contract the virus, and thus you can still potentially be a vector for the virus, and most importantly, it can still kill you or leave you hanging in a position that you really don't want to be in.

Do you know which vaccine they took? Because it should only be people who are severely immunocompromised that are hospitalized even though fully vaccinated. Plus it couldn't be that the vaccine immunity was waning because we haven't had vaccines here long enough for that.

One male and female took the AZ, the one with the clotting disorder took the SP, none of them vaccinated longer than 3 months. So waning immune response is unlikely.

OK it seems really really really unlike that this is true. Let's do the odds assuming they were all unvaccinated first.

In Trinidad at most 15% of confirmed cases need hospitalization.

of that 15% let's go with another worse case figure and say 20% will need ICU.

So now let's assume these people are all near 60. Their rate of hospitalization and ICU is probably 5X the average case.

So 0.15 * 0.2 * 5 = 0.15 or 15% probability that each of those persons would need ICU treatment if they contracted covid. In reality, it's probably much lower, but I'm trying to show you how improbable it is.

Now to get the probability of all 3 of them all needing ICU we use the Product Rule. This states that the probability of the occurrence of independent events is the product of their individual probabilities. The probability of three persons needing ICU is 0.15 * 0.15 * 0.15 is now 0.003375 or 0.34% or 1 in 300.

And that's if they're unvaccinated, close to age 60 and facing worst case odds......being vaccinated probably changes that to 1 in a 5000.

So I call BS on your story..

Btw the rate of ICU death for covid here in T&T is 90% so I fully expect if you were to keep up with this BS story, at least 2 of them should die......if you want to make this believable.

You are just assuming they were unvaccinated. That 1 in 5000 is speculation. 88sins is one of the few tuners here who has credible information and gets his facts in order before he posts. Put some respect you horny goat.

After hospitalization they usually get worse so they are transferred into ICU so lets raise that to 10x the average case. Using your maths, the probability of three persons needing ICU is 0.3^3 = 0.027 or 3 in 100.

Wow isn't that something!