"Official" POLICE & Police Commisioner Related Matters thread ...

[SMc]

I thought he was here already

[antlind]

https://www.looptt.com/content/local-de ... t-covid-19

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Attempted robbery at Digicel outlet

[elec2020]

https://trinidadexpress.com/newsextra/p ... ium=social

Any bets on if GG will do the right thing on this matter or create some bs story/spin to defend one of his own.

[pugboy]

nada
chap retiring in nov too

[elec2020]

^ that exactly. By the time they ready to prosecute he done outside tnt and collect as much of his pension as a lump sum on retirement asap. Another white collar criminal goes unprosecuted. But all them zessers who calling out the COP name. Those evil doers, scum of society and/or domestic terrorists will be dealt with to the fullest extent of the law. BANANA REPUBLIC.

[Redman]

^ that exactly. By the time they ready to prosecute he done outside tnt and collect as much of his pension as a lump sum on retirement asap. Another white collar criminal goes unprosecuted. But all them zessers who calling out the COP name. Those evil doers, scum of society and/or domestic terrorists will be dealt with to the fullest extent of the law. BANANA REPUBLIC.

I know this will encourage the peanut gallery to come out.....but do you think that^^^^^ happens in isolation?

It doesnt...

It happens because we have operated the country without modernizing the law.

So while X may be wrong the framework that an Investigation/Prosecution/Trial/Conviction has to take to remain within the law is self defeating.

The result ends up being ludicrous on the face of it-but un avoidable.

For EG---WTF would retirement limit his liability where a crime was committed during his service....it should be irrelevant.

[elec2020]

Oho got you. You very right some of these laws need to change. But why would the ttps in this instance encourage or allow this change to occur when it protects them? You are likely to re-see a total day of policing lol if the government hints at changing the laws to make the police more accountable for their actions. And it goes beyond that. I am sure all exisiting laws in tnt have loopholes that advantages some group of stakeholders in it. The system is rotten from the top to the bottom. All this change we need we will never see in our life times or those of our children.

[daxt0r]

hey doh complain about it, yuh love PNM, love how decades of PNM instituted corruption makes watchdogs and police all toothless an serve their needs like persecuting there own supporters lol

[elec2020]

hey doh complain about it, yuh love PNM, love how decades of PNM instituted corruption makes watchdogs and police all toothless an serve their needs like persecuting there own supporters lol

You are right. Is PNM that tell police to do the total day of policing. Is PNM that have the Hackett issue dragged on for so long. Is PNM that tell Hackett to raid tt express to cover up his charade. Is PNM that tell the ttps to shoot the 3 guys and pick up spent shells on the crime scene. Is PNM that have the case delayed so long. Is PNM that tell the two officers to go and shoot up grand bazar. Is PNM that have the ttps so lazy and unprofessional. Is PNM why the TTPS lost so much cases of misconduct in court. Everything wrong with tnt is PNM fault. Call a no vote confidence now. PNM must go!

[rollingstock]

Idiots allyuh read the article?
It states clearly that they are recommending disciplinary proceedings which is under the police service act. If he reached retirement age he will no longer be a police so it cannot proceed further.

This is separate and apart from any criminal offences and does not debar prosecution.

[zoom rader]

Idiots allyuh read the article?
It states clearly that they are recommending disciplinary proceedings which is under the police service act. If he reached retirement age he will no longer be a police so it cannot proceed further.

This is separate and apart from any criminal offences and does not debar prosecution.

RS , tuner here a new wave of idiots they like a disease.

[bluefete]

https://trinidadexpress.com/newsextra/pca-recommends-action-against-asst-cop-hackshaw-only-griffith-can-investigate-him/article_13c2f1f0-e3b3-11ea-beeb-7b8ea1edb567.html?fbclid=IwAR006sC1YpLDrM45cTZd_j30-K-wfxRiDU0yL0UXNYH9eyF5VdnaBwDeSec#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Any bets on if GG will do the right thing on this matter or create some bs story/spin to defend one of his own.

GG will backdate the approvals. End of story.

[bluefete]

Idiots allyuh read the article?
It states clearly that they are recommending disciplinary proceedings which is under the police service act. If he reached retirement age he will no longer be a police so it cannot proceed further.

This is separate and apart from any criminal offences and does not debar prosecution.

But the criminal offences are white collar. Who going and prosecute that?

[elec2020]

Idiots allyuh read the article?
It states clearly that they are recommending disciplinary proceedings which is under the police service act. If he reached retirement age he will no longer be a police so it cannot proceed further.

This is separate and apart from any criminal offences and does not debar prosecution.

Wouldn't a defense lawyer state that if the ttps couldn't prosecute him when they had ample time (i think this whole thing started ending last year) and resources then the state going after him is simply a case of witch hunt. I think that is a strong defense imo. I think its called malicious prosectution. As stated earlier his defense lawyer(s) already have one reason why. With 2 more reasons he could get this case thrown out. Therefore for tnt to receive any justice for his actions he must be prosecuted now.

[elec2020]

https://trinidadexpress.com/newsextra/pca-recommends-action-against-asst-cop-hackshaw-only-griffith-can-investigate-him/article_13c2f1f0-e3b3-11ea-beeb-7b8ea1edb567.html?fbclid=IwAR006sC1YpLDrM45cTZd_j30-K-wfxRiDU0yL0UXNYH9eyF5VdnaBwDeSec#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Any bets on if GG will do the right thing on this matter or create some bs story/spin to defend one of his own.

GG will backdate the approvals. End of story.

Lol like u know de ting well

[bluefete]

For those who did not read it.

PCA recommends action against Asst CoP Hackshaw, only Griffith can investigate him
Richard Charan Aug 21, 2020 Updated 9 hrs ago


Top cops: Police Commissioner Gary Griffith, left, and Assistant Commissioner of Police Irwin Hackshaw at the launch of the
Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS) Detective Training Programme at the Police Training Academy, St James, on June 8.


The Police Complaints Authority (PCA) has recommended to Police Commissioner Gary Griffith that disciplinary proceedings be instituted against his assistant Commissioner of Police Irwin Hackshaw over allegations of unusual financial transactions.

And Griffith has been reminded that because of Hackshaw’s senior position, only he (Griffith) can investigate him.

The financial transactions were the subject of extensive reporting by Express investigative journalist Denyse Renne.

It led to a police raid on Express House in Port of Spain and a search of the office of the newspaper’s editor-in-chief Omatie Lyder.

The company has since taken legal action preventing the police from conducting further searches.

In a statement today, the PCA said on March 9 it began an independent investigation into reported allegations of unusual financial transactions involving Hackshaw.

According to the PCA, the evidence gathered supports the allegation that Hackshaw accepted paid employment, or, undertook private work without approval, in breach of Regulation 133(b) and in contravention of Regulations 150(1); (2)(a); (c) and (d)(i) of the PSR.

“ The actions are subject to an investigation into criminal offences, that is nearing completion and serious police misconduct. The PCA completed the investigation into serious police misconduct on August 6th, 2020 and referred the evidence gathered together with a recommendation for disciplinary proceedings to be instituted, to Mr. Gary Griffith, Commissioner of Police. “ The PCA stated that commencement of the recommended disciplinary proceedings is especially urgent since Hackshaw begins official retirement from November 9, after which the TTPS will not have the authority to conduct disciplinary hearings.

The PCA said it is aware of Regulation 156(4) of the Police Service Regulations 2007 (the PSR) which states that, “the investigating officer shall hold an office higher than that of the officer concerned.” In the instant case, ACP Hackshaw is the most senior officer in the TTPS, except for the CoP. We hope that this issue can be resolved so that the disciplinary procedure can commence. “

The PCA stated that its team of Investigators interviewed several witnesses, recorded witness statements and considered documentary evidence.

“Mr. Hackshaw was given the opportunity to respond to questions by way of a written statement, or, participate in an interview conducted by PCA Investigators with his Attorney-at-Law or any other personal representative present. He refused to accept the letter informing him of same,” the PCA said.

PCA Director David West said: “Given the importance of strengthening community trust and confidence in law enforcement, the PCA calls for immediate action by the TTPS in this matter which concerns one of its senior officers.”

https://trinidadexpress.com/newsextra/p ... ium=social

[bluefete]

Lets us be real in here.

Which Freemason going and investigate a brother Freemason especially at that level of the service.

Gary brakesing long time from that.

[bluefete]

Alert T&T
5h ·
GG MAY NEED GALLBLADDER SURGERY
REPORT BY NEWSDAY:
Commissioner of Police Gary Griffith has been taken down by gallbladder pain and may require surgery.
Griffith, who has been in office for just over two years, has been warded at the St Clair Medical Centre for the past two days.
Acting Deputy Commissioner of Police Jayson Forde has been appointed to act as commissioner by the Police Service Commission, Newsday has learned.
Newsday was told that Griffith has had a series of tests and scans at the private clinic.
Gallbladder pain is usually associated with a disease of the organ, which is under the liver. Major conditions that result in gallbladder pain are biliary colic, cholecystitis, gallstones, pancreatitis and ascending cholangitis, according to online source MedicineNet.
Symptoms vary and may be triggered by eating certain foods. The pain may be described as intermittent, constant, abdominal, radiating to the back, and mild to severe, depending on the underlying cause.

[bluefete]

Allyuh mad or what? I not going and investigate my Lodge brother who might be at a higher rank / degree than me in the Lodge.

Gary Griffith

August 21st, 2020
MEDIA RELEASE

CoP: I will act on the Hackshaw matter, but with due process

The TTPS notes the media release sent out by the Police Complaints Authority (PCA) today. It is important that we not allow this matter and its narrative, as it relates to Mr Irwin Hackshaw, to develop into an attack on the integrity of the TTPS. It is equally important to remind all that this matter was based on an allegation of criminal conduct on the part of the Assistant Commissioner of Police.

The public is reminded by way of chronology that Mr Hackshaw was accused by the Express Newspaper and its reporter Denyse Renne, and subsequently by other political commentators, of firstly being a person of interest in two investigations. Namely an investigation by the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) and another by the Financial Investigation Bureau (FIB). Mr Hackshaw was also accused of abuse of power. The TTPS itself and the Commissioner of Police, were then accused of covering up this matter and protecting Mr Hackshaw.

The summary of events are as follows:

The Express Newspaper published an article in which Mr Hackshaw was alleged to have some eighteen (18) accounts and two (2) million dollars passing through those accounts. That accusation turned out to be patently false.

The Express Newspaper was later served with a search warrant as part of an investigation, ironically triggered by the newspaper, as it is unlawful to be in possession of information alleged to have come from the FIU.

Dual investigations were launched as a result of the newspaper article. One by the TTPS, and another by the PCA.
The TTPS and in particular Mr Hackshaw, was then accused of abuse of power for serving the said warrant. This too, was easily disproven since the warrant was not signed off by any member of the TTPS.

The TTPS having launched and conducted a thorough investigation under the authority of ACP Nurse, an experienced and highly competent investigator, determined that there was no criminal case for Mr Hackshaw to answer.
The Commissioner announced that he was willing to send the file to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) in the interest of transparency once the investigation of the PCA yielded a different conclusion to that of the TTPS.

The DPP then requested the file on Mr Hackshaw stating he was doing so in the public’s interest, even though this request is rarely initiated.

After those series of events took place and the PCA concluded its investigation, they too (the PCA) found that Mr Hackshaw had no criminal case to answer. The PCA in its investigation conducted their affairs with a wider scope than that of the TTPS and looked at all actions involving ACP Hackshaw for a period of approximately five years prior to the assumption of duties of Commissioner Gary Griffith.

The police investigation focused on the alleged criminal conduct outlined in the newspaper report and involved speaking with the companies through which ACP Hackshaw received payments.
The PCA investigation on the other hand, involved speaking with the Board of Inland Revenue, identified companies from which cheques were received and past Commissioners of Police. As a result of the widened scope, the PCA unearthed what they believe to be a prima facie case for disciplinary action against Mr Hackshaw involving conducting private business while in the employ of the TTPS without the permission of the Commissioner of Police. This is not a criminal offense and will therefore be handled internally.

As Commissioner of Police, I consider this matter to be very serious and have accepted the findings in total. In fact, I consider the recommendations of the PCA to be reasonable and cogent.

It is my intention to act upon these recommendations as soon as reasonably possible. There is a conundrum before me, however. The Police Service Regulations, Section 156(4) clearly states that a disciplinary hearing MUST be conducted by an officer senior in rank to the officer before the tribunal.

156(4) The investigating officer shall hold an office higher than that of the officer concerned. Police Service Regulations.

As a result of the lack of appointed DCPs and bearing in mind that Mr Hackshaw is the only one of two substantive Assistant Commissioners of Police, the only officer in a senior substantive rank to Mr Hackshaw at this time is the Commissioner of Police. It therefore creates a problem as the Commissioner of Police will also have to decide Mr Hackshaw’s fate and act upon any punishment (if necessary) deemed to be appropriate.

The matter is further complicated by the fact that ALL officers either at Mr Hackshaw’s rank or senior to Mr Hackshaw are witnesses in the matter. This includes myself as Commissioner of Police.

It means therefore, as Commissioner, I will be literally the judge, the jury and the executioner. This I cannot do, as it will both be in complete violation of Mr Hackshaw’s rights as well as being patently illegal.

I have been in communication on this matter with the Police Service Commission, where I explained my dilemma and I have also been urging that the appointment of substantive DCPs be made urgently as this is only but one issue that is impeded by the non-appointment of substantive DCPs.

As Commissioner it is my intention and desire to treat with every act of misconduct frontally and once able, I will so do in this matter.

The TTPS has openly and willingly accepted the recommendation to proceed with disciplinary proceedings against Mr Hackshaw, however, such proceedings are also subject to due process.

A tribunal will be set up if possible, and the process will unfold consistent with every other tribunal undertaken within the police service.

The TTPS continues to seek Senior Counsel’s advice on how and if we may be able to proceed. This matter is therefore engaging our active attention.

Whilst we appreciate that the PCA, as a public independent body, has its job to do and that they are well within their rights to report to the national community through the media, we also must be clear that the PCA recommendation in and of itself, is NOT an assumption of guilt on the part of Mr Hackshaw. The TTPS cannot therefore simply move to discipline Mr Hackshaw in an arbitrary manner. There is a process spelt out in the Police Service Regulations which must be followed.

The PCA’s press release cannot, will not and, I hope, is not intended to pressure the TTPS to act in contravention of the law. I must express though, my concern with an independent confidential organization apparently either feeling pressured or deciding that it is in its best interest to publish the matter in the media. Especially when it failed to unearth anything criminal, and is in fact recommending an internal resolution of the matter at hand.

It forces me as the current Commissioner of Police to wonder aloud, “What precisely is the objective of such a release?”

Corporate Communications Unit
August 21st, 2020
END

[elec2020]

Ah boy. So said so done. Great is the COP. Great is the TTPS. Zessers we out for u. Our own. Don't be fraid
Due process (in other words when u on your deayhbed or suffering from alzheimers/dementia is when we gah bring up the case against you).

[De Dragon]

So Geeyore get put on the spot regards to Hackshaw's millions by the PCA, and all of a sudden he gets gallbladder issues? Mind you, the same Geeyore who always talking "one shot, one kill" and "fire errant TTPS immediately" is suddenly a fan of due process.
Banana Republic will never cease in this place yes.

[rollingstock]

People really dense yes.
All disciplinary actions, if a defaulting officer is found guilty any action taken against him is done through the Commissioner of Police as head of the service.
If Gary starts disciplinary action the dcp must face a tribunal of senior officers, only the cop is snr him, and even if found guilty how can the officer in this case the cop bring forward charges and also administer the punishment if found guilty?

So you telling all you bright fellas in here not seeing a conflict of interest?

[De Dragon]

People really dense yes.
All disciplinary actions, if a defaulting officer is found guilty any action taken against him is done through the Commissioner of Police as head of the service.
If Gary starts disciplinary action the dcp must face a tribunal of senior officers, only the cop is snr him, and even if found guilty how can the officer in this case the cop bring forward charges and also administer the punishment if found guilty?

So you telling all you bright fellas in here not seeing a conflict of interest?

So if Geeyore in ting, who would be responsible for his disciplinary action? Serious question btw.

[rollingstock]

Police service commission

[De Dragon]

Police service commission

So, could he refer Hackshaw to the PSC? Seeing as he is conflicted?

[bluefete]

Police service commission

So, could he refer Hackshaw to the PSC? Seeing as he is conflicted?

I was thinking the same thing.

However, GG was saying that the PSC could appoint some senior officers at the level of the DCP so that he could take action.

GG said that there were, currently, not enough officers at the DCP level to form a tribunal.

[De Dragon]

Police service commission

So, could he refer Hackshaw to the PSC? Seeing as he is conflicted?

I was thinking the same thing.

However, GG was saying that the PSC could appoint some senior officers at the level of the DCP so that he could take action.

GG said that there were, currently, not enough officers at the DCP level to form a tribunal.

That would still just be Geeyore and the one other DCP. You know what would be the toughest thing about all this, aside from Hackshaw not getting one iota of discipline? It's having identified this issue, we will do absolutely nothing to correct it.

[daxt0r]

allyuh doin like a different outcome was expected.
ah tell yuh decades ah PNM corrupted every state and public institute in this country, everyone just following suit with what the head doing.
What goin on with these PNM/UNC folks is that them and they family like eat alone and have a big issue when d police and d man on d street start to cut corners and eat ah lil small ting so they get their newspapers to hype up d man.
Feris wheel pocketing more than that in rent easy, Teisheira get out more money from CLICO easy when normal ppl have to wait and/or lose, Calder Hart living large out dey normal normal while men like Hackshaw and fadda Burks with they lil scrumbs ah food allways gettin put up cuz ah normal man try a lil ting an GT.

[De Dragon]

allyuh doin like a different outcome was expected.
ah tell yuh decades ah PNM corrupted every state and public institute in this country, everyone just following suit with what the head doing.
What goin on with these PNM/UNC folks is that them and they family like eat alone and have a big issue when d police and d man on d street start to cut corners and eat ah lil small ting so they get their newspapers to hype up d man.
Feris wheel pocketing more than that in rent easy, Teisheira get out more money from CLICO easy when normal ppl have to wait and/or lose, Calder Hart living large out dey normal normal while men like Hackshaw and fadda Burks with they lil scrumbs ah food allways gettin put up cuz ah normal man try a lil ting an GT.

At least Tesheira faded away into the background. What about Ewart Williams, Malcolm Jones, Ken Julien, who, no matter the BILLIONS in money pissed away, were allowed to gorge until they literally died (Jones).