PNM in Gov't (2020-2025)

[paid_influencer]

Just keep in mind
A pnm victory in the next ge will bring abject failure for the people of this country for multiple generations to come.

look the bottom line

[Habit7]

And the slide to poverty continues.


The end of Trinidad civilization will not be mourned. Yet another afro run country shambling into oblivion

Other than your subjective sentiments, do you have any objective metric that show T&T sliding into poverty?

[paid_influencer]

And the slide to poverty continues.


The end of Trinidad civilization will not be mourned. Yet another afro run country shambling into oblivion

Other than your subjective sentiments, do you have any objective metric that show T&T sliding into poverty?

[paid_influencer]

alsio habit7 u try living on foking minimum wage

[Mmoney607]

Remove Kamla,


People will still vote PNM.

PNM will actually win by a wide margin of kamla is removed

"PNM will actually win by a wide margin, whether or not Kamla is removed."

Fixed it for you.

PNM will prevail. Nothing can change that.

Is was just a few thousand votes pnm won by in the last election. They can't even pass certain bills without unc support lol

[paid_influencer]

habit7, you think all these youth that robbing and murdering people in the street, they doing it because the economy booming and they have good stable jobs? you really that dotish? they not building guillotines but when they come for you and your rich brethren, you will know

[matr1x]

Habit sounds like he scratching his crab infested nuts in an hdc apartment that someone illegally subletting to him

[Habit7]

Firstly your graphs rightly shows that TT’s GDP reached its highest at 2014. Then in Q4 of that year the economy started to shrink and despite claims of good times to come we were in recession mainly due to the collapse in O&G prices. In 2019 we had a beginning of a recovery but Covid19 plummeted us back into recession.

But as the graphs clearly show that the decline has been arrested and as the IMF reviewed recently noted we are projected to continue to recover. and continue on a growth path.

Based on the Human Development Index T&T is considered to have a very high human development which is the top tier of countries in the world.

So when one says we are “sliding into poverty” and you try to justify it by showing we are not doing our best, that doesn’t mean poverty. 1999-2008 was the fast our economy ever grew in 2006 we were the fastest in the Americas because of natgas. But as production dipped and prices dropped, the growth slowed down. But it is quite an embellishment to say we are becoming poor all while you still enjoying subsidied electricity, water, LPG, CNG, domestic air & sea travel, tertiary education and free healthcare. The sky is not falling.

[paid_influencer]

^ tell them that when they come to rob you, too

[Habit7]

Habit sounds like he scratching his crab infested nuts in an hdc apartment that someone illegally subletting to him

Wow this man trying to HDC shame me all while heartily enjoying his subsidised PTSC trip.

Also, plenty gyul rolling with attitude. I traveling last week and this pregnant woman standing come over and wanted my seat. I watch she cut eye and say nothing. She said, "a real man would have given up his seat for a pregnant woman"

I take off my headset and tell she in her face, " next time get a man with a car". I put back on my headset and enjoy my trip to marabella

[Habit7]

^ tell them that when they come to rob you, too

I surely will, I can even do up a quick PowerPoint presentation.

But back to the subject at hand, what metric justifies the claim that we are sliding into poverty?

[matr1x]

Habit sounds like he scratching his crab infested nuts in an hdc apartment that someone illegally subletting to him

Wow this man trying to HDC shame me all while heartily enjoying his subsidised PTSC trip.

Also, plenty gyul rolling with attitude. I traveling last week and this pregnant woman standing come over and wanted my seat. I watch she cut eye and say nothing. She said, "a real man would have given up his seat for a pregnant woman"

I take off my headset and tell she in her face, " next time get a man with a car". I put back on my headset and enjoy my trip to marabella

Except, we pay for bus service

[paid_influencer]

^ tell them that when they come to rob you, too

I surely will, I can even do up a quick PowerPoint presentation.

But back to the subject at hand, what metric justifies the claim that we are sliding into poverty?

you know a guy who left one of them latin american countries tell me how does be when it get real bad.

the bandit doesn't kill people.
they does keep people like you alive to rob them again and again

[Habit7]

Habit sounds like he scratching his crab infested nuts in an hdc apartment that someone illegally subletting to him

Wow this man trying to HDC shame me all while heartily enjoying his subsidised PTSC trip.

Also, plenty gyul rolling with attitude. I traveling last week and this pregnant woman standing come over and wanted my seat. I watch she cut eye and say nothing. She said, "a real man would have given up his seat for a pregnant woman"

I take off my headset and tell she in her face, " next time get a man with a car". I put back on my headset and enjoy my trip to marabella

Except, we pay for bus service

HDC is subsidised housing and PTSC is subsidised public transport. PTSC prices are the same since 1990.

^ tell them that when they come to rob you, too

I surely will, I can even do up a quick PowerPoint presentation.

But back to the subject at hand, what metric justifies the claim that we are sliding into poverty?

you know a guy who left one of them latin american countries tell me how does be when it get real bad.

the bandit doesn't kill people.
they does keep people like you alive to rob them again and again

CSB

But where is the metric?


Murder rate 2023
Turks & Caicos 50 per 100,000
St Vincent 50 per 100,000
Jamaica 49 per 100,000
St Lucia 45 per 100,000
T&T 41 per 100,000
Bahamas 27 per 100,000

Those other Caribbean countries with higher murder rates than us sliding into poverty too? Turks & Caicos is a UK Territory, something some ppl wish T&T could return to, they have UK govt support and UK private sector investment and they still have a crazy high murder rate.

Poverty doesn’t cause crime and throwing money at poor ppl doesn’t stop crime. Crime is a moral issue that a millionaire or a pauper can choose to do.

[zoom rader]

Remove Kamla,


People will still vote PNM.

PNM will actually win by a wide margin of kamla is removed

"PNM will actually win by a wide margin, whether or not Kamla is removed."

Fixed it for you.

PNM will prevail. Nothing can change that.

Just keep in mind
A pnm victory in the next ge will bring abject failure for the people of this country for multiple generations to come.

Good

It's why God had moses wandering in the desert for 40 years. Moses never saw the promised land.

Stupid people Stupid contree

[88sins]

Poverty doesn’t cause crime and throwing money at poor ppl doesn’t stop crime. Crime is a moral issue that a millionaire or a pauper can choose to do.

Well someone seems to have been drinking the kool-aid.
Son, crime isn't simply ",a moral issue" as some would have you believe.
For a person to engage in let's say thr crime of theft, there's 3 things that will usually be present prior to their decision to steal:
Opportunity
Risk vs reward
Motive.

See that last one, is a VERY important one, because it's the one that causes a person to consider exactly how far they are willing to go to achieve the outcome they want. Here's an example.
You, your wife and 2 small children are starving and will die if you don't eat within 24 hours, and you have absolutely zero resources to feed your family. On a table in front of you, there's a small loaf of bread, that's just barely enough to keep your family alive. It's owner is not present, and is not returning. Across the table, a single young man in the same position as you, with the same goal as you. What do you think the outcome of this scenario will be?
So, in such a scenario, considering that the risk of being discovered as the thief is low and the reward is better than the alternative, and the opportunity is clearly available, and you have some very powerful motivation, one can easily surmise that the outcome will be one of 3

You will either
A- steal the loaf off the table.
B- if the other man gets it before you do, fight him for it and rob him of it, possibly injuring him very badly in the process or even kill him.
C- resign yourself & your family to your fate and die of starvation quietly (the least likely probability considering human survival instincts)


Don't be fooled.
Poverty is DEFINITELY a MAJOR factor in certain aspects of criminal activity, such as theft, robbery, drug and firearm trafficking, etc.
The reason why the rich are quick to say "poverty doesn't cause crime", is to absolve themselves from their guilt caused by them knowing that at least to some extent they are the reason why there is poverty, while simultaneously providing themselves an excuse so that people looking for a solution to poverty don't look in their direction for them to dip into their pockets since they are the cause.

Is chess being played son, not checkers

[wing]

User
Is deciding to steal in order to feed your hungry family a moral decision?

ChatGPT
Deciding to steal to feed your hungry family can be seen as a complex moral decision. While the action of stealing is generally considered unethical because it violates the rights of others, some argue that the circumstances, such as extreme need, could justify the action to some extent. However, others believe that alternative solutions, such as seeking help from charitable organizations or community resources, should be explored before resorting to theft. Ultimately, the morality of the decision may depend on individual beliefs, values, and the specific circumstances involved.


Thanks chatgpt.

[eliteauto]

Yall arguing semantics. Right vs Wrong is a moral issue. When motive ( hunger, poverty, laziness, lack of opportunity etc) steps in morals steps out. We have generations of mislead, lazy, criminally culturally immersed citizens who come from all over the country BUT are concentrated is particular communities who by now view crime as a legitimate business model., who accept the consequences of "failure " ( jail, wounding, death) as a cost of business. You cannot appeal to them, you cannot offer alternatives or opportunities to them. You have to break their backs with force and make the choice unappealing to the next generation. You have to hold parents accountable. All the social programs, make work organizations and community swimming pools are methods to funnel money. What's the success rate of DEWD, LID, URP CEPEP in creating independent entrepreneurs who hire within the community and grow? Compare that to the homes with multi generational workers in these programs. $100 rent and you owing for decades? Nah time to stop the excuses . And the PNM isn't their friend either, it's their worst enemy through enabling, neglect and classism.

[matr1x]

Poverty doesn’t cause crime and throwing money at poor ppl doesn’t stop crime. Crime is a moral issue that a millionaire or a pauper can choose to do.

Well someone seems to have been drinking the kool-aid.
Son, crime isn't simply ",a moral issue" as some would have you believe.
For a person to engage in let's say thr crime of theft, there's 3 things that will usually be present prior to their decision to steal:
Opportunity
Risk vs reward
Motive.

See that last one, is a VERY important one, because it's the one that causes a person to consider exactly how far they are willing to go to achieve the outcome they want. Here's an example.
You, your wife and 2 small children are starving and will die if you don't eat within 24 hours, and you have absolutely zero resources to feed your family. On a table in front of you, there's a small loaf of bread, that's just barely enough to keep your family alive. It's owner is not present, and is not returning. Across the table, a single young man in the same position as you, with the same goal as you. What do you think the outcome of this scenario will be?
So, in such a scenario, considering that the risk of being discovered as the thief is low and the reward is better than the alternative, and the opportunity is clearly available, and you have some very powerful motivation, one can easily surmise that the outcome will be one of 3

You will either
A- steal the loaf off the table.
B- if the other man gets it before you do, fight him for it and rob him of it, possibly injuring him very badly in the process or even kill him.
C- resign yourself & your family to your fate and die of starvation quietly (the least likely probability considering human survival instincts)


Don't be fooled.
Poverty is DEFINITELY a MAJOR factor in certain aspects of criminal activity, such as theft, robbery, drug and firearm trafficking, etc.
The reason why the rich are quick to say "poverty doesn't cause crime", is to absolve themselves from their guilt caused by them knowing that at least to some extent they are the reason why there is poverty, while simultaneously providing themselves an excuse so that people looking for a solution to poverty don't look in their direction for them to dip into their pockets since they are the cause.

Is chess being played son, not checkers

Drinking the kool-aid? Pnm took a big syringe and shoved it up his bum.


Ask any trini how they feel about the future of Trinidad and you will get the reality

[Habit7]

Drinking the kool-aid? Pnm took a big syringe and shoved it up his bum.


Ask any trini how they feel about the future of Trinidad and you will get the reality

So what you are saying is that because your social circle of likeminded individuals reenforces your bias, we should likewise trust our circle which you believe will share equal opinions.

But the objective metrics of GDP growth, unemployment and even the informed commentary of external macroeconomists should be disregarded because they are PNM kool-aid?

[shake d livin wake d dead]

Simple

[Habit7]

Is it that we are bereft of scandals that this is an issue? We had a new cotton $50 in 2012. Then a new polymer in $50 in Dec 2014 then a redesign in Nov 2015. Was it a scandal? If after 6 years they are adding additional security features to the next batch of $100, what’s the big deal?

[Dizzy28]

Is it that we are bereft of scandals that this is an issue? We had a new cotton $50 in 2012. Then a new polymer in $50 in Dec 2014 then a redesign in Nov 2015. Was it a scandal? If after 6 years they are adding additional security features to the next batch of $100, what’s the big deal?

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It's almost as if people forgot money has a finite life. The hundreds have a longer life than the ones and we probably change out those several times since they were introduced.

[88sins]

Yall arguing semantics. Right vs Wrong is a moral issue. When motive ( hunger, poverty, laziness, lack of opportunity etc) steps in morals steps out. We have generations of mislead, lazy, criminally culturally immersed citizens who come from all over the country BUT are concentrated is particular communities who by now view crime as a legitimate business model., who accept the consequences of "failure " ( jail, wounding, death) as a cost of business. You cannot appeal to them, you cannot offer alternatives or opportunities to them. You have to break their backs with force and make the choice unappealing to the next generation. You have to hold parents accountable. All the social programs, make work organizations and community swimming pools are methods to funnel money. What's the success rate of DEWD, LID, URP CEPEP in creating independent entrepreneurs who hire within the community and grow? Compare that to the homes with multi generational workers in these programs. $100 rent and you owing for decades? Nah time to stop the excuses . And the PNM isn't their friend either, it's their worst enemy through enabling, neglect and classism.

Not really.
Is it morally right or wrong when a lion kills amd eats a gazelle? Gazelle dies (bad for the prey), but lion and maybe cubs live (good for the predator).
Now, if there were no lions, or lions stopped targeting gazelles, then all gazelles would live, yes, at least for awhile (until something else comes along from nature and and wipes them out, like poor genetics from old males continuing to breed, overgrazing due to overpopulation, insufficient water in a particular region to sustain the population, etc)


I'd advise persons to focus a bit less on the possible concepts of absolutes about right & wrong or good & bad, and look more into the nature of what is and why it is the way it is, and see that there's a balance, and understanding that sometimes, an imbalance that will need correction (the reintroduction of gazelle-eating lions)
Can't have good without bad, or right without wrong, or light without dark.


Thus, trying to stay on topic, we can't keep accepting failure and rubbish and mismanagement by the government indefinitely. Time to balance this thing out a bit.

[Mmoney607]

Is it that we are bereft of scandals that this is an issue? We had a new cotton $50 in 2012. Then a new polymer in $50 in Dec 2014 then a redesign in Nov 2015. Was it a scandal? If after 6 years they are adding additional security features to the next batch of $100, what’s the big deal?



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I knew this was coming. The pnm is working in cahoots with the media. The media purposefully puts it information that they know is false, and then a minister has to come in and save the day for the citizens and condemn the unpatriotic misinformation.

How I know this? Because in the same cnc3 report, the central bank told them that the existing money is not being demonetized but they still ran the stories.

[VexXx Dogg]

Yall arguing semantics. Right vs Wrong is a moral issue. When motive ( hunger, poverty, laziness, lack of opportunity etc) steps in morals steps out. We have generations of mislead, lazy, criminally culturally immersed citizens who come from all over the country BUT are concentrated is particular communities who by now view crime as a legitimate business model., who accept the consequences of "failure " ( jail, wounding, death) as a cost of business. You cannot appeal to them, you cannot offer alternatives or opportunities to them. You have to break their backs with force and make the choice unappealing to the next generation. You have to hold parents accountable. All the social programs, make work organizations and community swimming pools are methods to funnel money. What's the success rate of DEWD, LID, URP CEPEP in creating independent entrepreneurs who hire within the community and grow? Compare that to the homes with multi generational workers in these programs. $100 rent and you owing for decades? Nah time to stop the excuses . And the PNM isn't their friend either, it's their worst enemy through enabling, neglect and classism.

Big facts

[matr1x]

After working in this government for the last 6 years, the amount of book cooking.....

[shake d livin wake d dead]

*Barbados to pay for Trini gun dealer’s arrest*

Now that Barbados has admitted culpability and are going to compensate Brent Thomas, it is going to be extremely interesting to see which TT Ministers will be exposed as being the ones who orchestrated his illegal abduction once the requested documents are provided. Let's see Stewie and Fitz duck and hide then!_

The Barbados government has accepted blame for the “forcible removal” of gun dealer Brent Thomas from his hotel room on the Caribbean island by its police force in 2022.

In a letter obtained by Newsday, the attorney for Barbados’ Attorney General Dale Marshall, SC, said the island’s government had accepted liability on his advice.

“I have advised my client that the State of Barbados should accept liability in respect of the claim for breach of section 18 of the Constitution of Barbados,” Roger Forde, KC, informed Thomas.

That section deals with the right to a fair hearing and protection of the law. Forde’s letter also said, “In the circumstances, kindly send me a claim on quantum together with authorities in support of the same.

He also added, “I am of the view that many of the documents requested by you touch and concern liability which my client has agreed to accept.”

The parties are locked in negotiations on an agreed settlement which is likely to be substantial.

Thomas initiated legal action seeking compensation for the “egregious conduct” of the Barbadian authorities as well as several declarations relating to his “arrest, detention and forced repatriation” by the Barbados Police Service.

He demanded to know who gave the directive which led to his “unlawful abduction” from a hotel room in Barbados on October 5, 2022, as stated by Justice Devindra Rampersad in his ruling on Thomas’ constitutional challenge in April 2023.

“It is well established that individually or cumulatively, members of the BPS (Barbados Police Service) acted outwith the law and refused to afford our client the protection of the law afforded to him by the Constitution.

“The laws of Barbados did not authorise any of the acts of the BPS relative to our client which occurred on October 5, 2022,” Marshall was told by Thomas’ attorneys in a pre-action protocol letter.

Thomas, 61, is the owner of the Specialist Shooters Training Centre (SSTC), which has been one of the main suppliers of guns, ammunition and other security equipment to various arms of the State for over 20 years, is represented by local attorneys Fyard Hosein, SC, Aadam Hosein, Clay Hackett, and Barbadian attorney Nicholas Jackman.

In November 2022, Thomas filed a constitutional claim against the State and sued over the criminal charges against him.

The latter were stayed by Rampersad who condemned the police officers, both locally and from Barbados, for their method of capturing and bringing Thomas back to TT.

The State had also admitted that Thomas’ return to TT was unlawful but has appealed aspects of Rampersad’s ruling. The appeal will be heard towards the end of July.

Rampersad is also expected to decide on compensation which could also be substantial.

In his letter to Marshall, Thomas has asked for details from the Barbadian authorities. Jackman urged the Barbadian AG to provide the information, which, he said the State would be obliged to give if the matter goes to trial.

Thomas’s legal team wants the names and ranks of the members of the TTPS, or any other party, who made the request and who contacted Caricom IMPACS (the Implementation Agency for Crime and Security), a special law enforcement agency of Caricom; the names and/or ranks or designation of the persons (from Barbados) who received this information from members of the TTPS, or any other party; the names and/or ranks of persons of the members of the TTPS, or any other party, who interacted with members of the BPS.

He also wants the names of the ministers from TT and Barbados who interacted with each other as well as copies of all correspondence and written communication exchanged between them as well as with any public official or police officer, including those from IMPACS.

Thomas is also seeking the full report Marshall received from the Barbados commissioner of police. Included in the lengthy list of requests are the reports from the Regional Security System (RSS), IMPACS and the Ministry of National Security, which Marshall referred to in his address to the parliament.

Added to his requests was a copy of the flight plan and manifest of the RSS plane used to transport Thomas from Barbados to Trinidad; a statement containing the name of the pilots and/or flight crew on the RSS plane, the nature and the make of the plane and the location at which the plane is held.

In an address to the Barbadian Parliament on May 9, 2023, Marshall said on October 4, 2022, an approach was made by the Transnational Organised Crime Unit (TOCU) of the TT police service to IMPACS.

Marshall said IMPACS contacted a gazetted officer of the BDS who was told Thomas was a person of interest to the TTPS and the subject of several warrants in Trinidad but had eluded the surveillance of TOCU.

Thomas was on his way to visit his US cardiologist and stopped over in Barbados when he was detained at his hotel, handcuffed and handed over to three officers assigned to TT’s Professional Standards Bureau (PSB) on the tarmac of the Grantley Adams International Airport.

It was alleged by the then PSB’s head Suzette Martin, now a deputy commissioner, that Thomas intended to travel to Greece.

Marshall also gave details of the two regional bodies’ involvement in the operation. He said on October 5, 2022, the RSS received a request from IMPACS to transport four Trinidadian police officers from Trinidad to Barbados, which landed at 4.11 pm, and to transport the four officers and Thomas back to Trinidad.

“The co-ordination of the travel to Barbados of the TT Police Service and their return with Mr Thomas to Trinidad was co-ordinated fully by Caricom IMPACS.”

Marshall said he recognises Barbados’ officers had “fallen short” of the law by acting without an extradition request. “I can confirm that no request was made for the extradition of Mr Thomas,” he told the Barbadian parliament.

In his legal proceedings in TT, Thomas detailed what transpired in his Barbados hotel. He had arrived in Barbados on October 4, 2022, en route to Miami to meet his cardiologist Dr Ceasar Pellarano and checked into the Courtyard by Marriott Bridgetown.

“Around 3 am, on October 5, 2022, whilst asleep in my hotel in Barbados, I was jolted awake by thunderous shouts of ‘Police, police’ and banging on my hotel door. Upon opening the door, I observed a large group of men dressed in black, armed with guns.

“These men entered my room. They asked for a copy of my identification card and luggage, which I showed to them. Thereafter, without being shown a warrant, or being given an opportunity to make representation, despite numerous requests to do so, I was placed in handcuffs and dragged across the hotel floor to a waiting police vehicle which conveyed me to a police station.

“In a state of terror, I constantly enquired of the officers as to what was taking place but I was not given an answer. Instead, I was put in a small cage at the back of a police van and left there until midday. The van was parked outside a police station and was exposed to the elements. At some points, during this fresh ordeal, I intermittently lost consciousness. My pleas for food, water, and to place a telephone call were refused. No explanation was given as to why I was being detained by the Barbadian authorities.”

By then he had spent several hours in the “cage” exposed to the sunlight, and sweltering heat and was not given any food or water. Around midday, he was taken to Grantley Adams International Airport, where he was “pushed violently” into an “extremely small plane” and brought back to Trinidad.

In their pre-action letter, Thomas’ attorneys said the inhumane conditions he was detained in Barbados caused him emotional trauma, anguish and immediate fear and anxiety for his life.

[pugboy]

like heinz et al wasn’t able to send some flying fish $$$ to keep them over up going over there too

[bluefete]

After working in this government for the last 6 years, the amount of book cooking.....

I saw you posted this yesterday and in today's news"

Audit into Secondary Road company after claims of price-fixing
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/audit-i ... e_vignette

I am putting this as well because the name was mentioned in the report above and 2NRs are well familiar with the name and business:

HDC fires Raghunanan
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/hdc-fir ... 5524fd93c6

Elections coming.