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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby V8 Boys » October 15th, 2013, 10:47 pm

^actually that poses more questions than answers...

if of course you are implying that Jesus, the son of God, the one who was created by God, who was sent by God, was forsaken by God, Resurrected by God, and thereafter sat at the right hand of God IS GOD...then we have a plethora of questions. Now I really have a bunch of questions to ask my Fath...oh shucks...MYSELF!

This was the same Jesus that prayed to OUR Father who art in heaven? Right?

You aren't gonna tell me he was prayin to himself right?

I can hear the Hobit...oops Habit7...invoking the "The 3 are 1 and cannot be understood because it is a sacred mystery" clause.

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby bluefete » October 16th, 2013, 6:08 am

But didn't God delegate certain responsibilities to His Son with the attendant powers thereto?

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Habit7 » October 16th, 2013, 6:21 am

V8 Boys I will be pleased to respond to you Jehovah Witness questions in the Religion Thread, not here.

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby V8 Boys » October 16th, 2013, 7:29 am

Habit7 wrote:V8 Boys I will be pleased to respond to you Jehovah Witness questions in the Religion Thread, not here.


Oh dear....so THAT's why you wanted Duane to "merge" the thread...to lambaise us "the laity-by you the clergy".

Those aren't Jehovah's Witnesses' questions....they are questions from REAL people who don't hide behind a frock or robe... They are rhetorical questions.

If I come across as frank and the tone of my words seem to invoke rebuke...it is simply because of this fact: Religious leaders are SUPPOSED to be examples to the flock, adher closely to the divine word, never using it to suppress or mislead them. Their past dealings with their fellow worshippers indicates whether they are TRUE or FALSE prophets/Christians.

I have a feeling this post may irk you so...that you will do your utmost to get it deleted....The Truth offends doesn't it....<another rhetorical question.

When Jesus walked the earth, he castigated false teachers, and those that took advantage of his fellow worshippers...he threw OUT of the temple. He was never afraid to EXPOSE religious hypocrisy. The Clergy, as you call yourself, have lost all your credibility and respect.
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The whole world knows of religions' culpability with regard to wars, child abuse and abortion....and by the way the current Pope is going, we'll soon see the ordaining of homosexual priests.

I suggest you do some research, and think well before you reply next time.

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Habit7 » October 16th, 2013, 7:42 am

oops :oops: , I pressed a button there boy...

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby V8 Boys » October 16th, 2013, 7:51 am

Habit7 wrote:oops :oops: , I pressed a button there boy...


got your attention now eh..just pray I don't amble on over to your sanctum that you call : the Religion Thread.

Stones and "glass houses" don't go well together.

Now, back to the theme of this thread...

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Habit7 » October 16th, 2013, 8:04 am

Well if you did check out that thread you will see that I oppose the ideology behind every pic you posted there so I don't know who you are directing that offence to.

V8 Boys wrote:Now, back to the theme of this thread...
Even though Duane is not too keen on answering others questions how about you answer his:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
V8 Boys wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Habit7 wrote:Christian prayer is for the will of God (Matthew 6:10). The will of God sometimes is to spare, sometimes it is to destroy. So prayer only diverts a natural disaster when it was God's will to divert it anyway.
If it was God's will anyway, then the prayer didn't do anything.
As someone who has lived thru 2 category 4 hurricanes (Luis '95 & Lenny '99) and 3 category 3s and 3 storms...where my wife and I nearly lost our lives...trees, cars, entire houses and boats flying thru the air...plus at this moment in time battling cancer...I have to wonder what sort of thinking would prompt an individual to attribute the "choice to divert or allow" a disaster to God.

Really, are you gonna point out to us that in times past God allowed destruction to come upon his people and also diverted it at other times?

yes surely that was the case with HIS people...the Israelites.

But in case you missed the point....what determines in your mind whether any ONE country/people are HIS chosen people today?

Don't know if this logic was brought out already in this thread, but if a hurricane/quake/coconut destroys St Maarten but leaves Saba, Statia and Anguila...does that mean that God temporarily revoked his Passport with those 3 islands?

Is he a Trini but not a Vincentian, Tobagonian...etc?

Now don't go peltin the Holy Scriptures willy nilly in your response eh...I used clear, simple and common sense logic to highlight the idiocy of attributing improper actions or inaction to the Creator of every living thing.
well if not God then who?
Do storms and earthquakes also have free will?

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Sky » October 16th, 2013, 9:44 am

http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature ... ricane.htm

Sad how I have to drop that here.
We're in a sweet spot, THATS ALL!!. It has nothing to do with God, free will, praying.
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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Habit7 » October 16th, 2013, 10:07 am

Sky wrote:http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/natural-disasters/hurricane.htm

Sad how I have to drop that here.
We're in a sweet spot, THATS ALL!!. It has nothing to do with God, free will, praying.

I for one am not denying the natural laws influencing the formation path and intensity of a hurricane. But natural laws can't and don't form themselves. The source of natural laws has to be supernatural. The Christian understanding is that God the supernatural being, governs the natural laws of the Earth, that's all.

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Cid » October 16th, 2013, 10:46 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Habit7 wrote:This thread requires a merge before I go any further.
not really. the topic here is God regarding natural disasters considering we are in hurricane season and the recent earthquake.

Someone mentioned prayer and I asked if prayer can help to prevent a natural disaster and you said you believed the answer is no.

Don't see the need for a thread merge here so far. If there is something you mentioned in another thread that is relevant here then feel free to quote it and post the link.



what about if the topic is god regarding the massacring of innocent people in a mall? do we merge or delete the thread and sweep it under the carpet

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Rainman » October 16th, 2013, 10:59 am

OH hey guize what's going on in he................

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Sky » October 16th, 2013, 12:03 pm

Habit7 wrote:
Sky wrote:http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/natural-disasters/hurricane.htm

Sad how I have to drop that here.
We're in a sweet spot, THATS ALL!!. It has nothing to do with God, free will, praying.

I for one am not denying the natural laws influencing the formation path and intensity of a hurricane. But natural laws can't and don't form themselves. The source of natural laws has to be supernatural. The Christian understanding is that God the supernatural being, governs the natural laws of the Earth, that's all.


Well then God has an excel sheet saying who's gonna get hit with what and when. And he had that sheet since Genesis, Because natural laws DON'T CHANGE.
So praying won't change anything.

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby speedist » October 16th, 2013, 6:51 pm

^ At least someone else say it. There are alot of people who leave their fate in the hands of a being we can't see, even to do their daily routine, things they should be doing themselves..........

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 16th, 2013, 7:40 pm

Habit7 wrote: The source of natural laws has to be supernatural.
why?

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Sky » October 16th, 2013, 9:25 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Habit7 wrote: The source of natural laws has to be supernatural.
why?


Exactly. You keep asking why and when something can no longer be explained, it's a deity.

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby bluefete » October 16th, 2013, 10:19 pm

Sky wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Habit7 wrote: The source of natural laws has to be supernatural.
why?


Exactly. You keep asking why and when something can no longer be explained, it's a deity.


Did the universe just put itself in order?
Did the earth just naturally have the right environment for life?

Where did natural laws come from?

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby V8 Boys » October 16th, 2013, 10:50 pm

When we look around at the world today, with the senseless, heartless and hurtful things that people do to each other, there are some who wonder how could the "One who created all things" just sit and watch...allowing all these things to go on.

Worldwide on average there are 500,000 murders per year, & war related deaths just in the last 5 years has gone from 52,000 to 100,000plus...per year.
Globally...over 3.1 million children under the age of 5 die every year due to malnutrition or starvation.
Cancer is the leading cause of death worldwide with over 8 million loosing the battle each year.

Disasters such as earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, tsunamis and volcanoes took over 142,000 lives in 2010.
In 2012, there were 991,746, 590 REGISTERED abortions.

The only figures that have shown a consistent drop since 2010 were deaths due to "natural disasters". No doubt due to a heightened awareness of such disasters, precautionary steps and advanced warning systems and breakthroughs in construction and design.

So, any clear thinking individual can see just how much suffering mankind undergoes and to a degree can see how much of it, is self inflicted.

Now, how do these stats bare on the theme of this thread...and what relevance/importance do they bring to the topic of whether God is predisposed to being of Trinidadian nationality?

To understand not only the Trinidadians understanding of good and bad, but of the world...one must look beneath the obvious and shallow beliefs that "it had was tuh happen" and "when yuh time come it come" and " God wanted another angel, so he took my likkle 2yr old son/daughter to be with him in heaven".

To understand why so many disbelieve that there is a God, one must look at the reasons for that distrust and disbelief...and to a large extent,religion...or to be more precise...False Religion has been mostly responsible for man's dis-illusionment with his Creator.

And to be even more specific...the world's religious leaders have had a major role in that regard.

end of part 1

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Habit7 » October 16th, 2013, 10:58 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Habit7 wrote: The source of natural laws has to be supernatural.
why?

why you no answer my question? :|

Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:If we should be praying the will of God to happen, when an earthquake, tsunami or hurricane kills thousands of people should we pray happy that God's will has happened?
"We"? Do you acknowledge that there is a God?

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 16th, 2013, 11:02 pm

Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Habit7 wrote: The source of natural laws has to be supernatural.
why?

why you no answer my question? :|

Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:If we should be praying the will of God to happen, when an earthquake, tsunami or hurricane kills thousands of people should we pray happy that God's will has happened?
"We"? Do you acknowledge that there is a God?
THAT is what you badly want me to answer? I don't see how it will change anything.

Have I ever said I do not acknowledge there is a God? Please quote it, I may have been misunderstood.

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Habit7 » October 16th, 2013, 11:10 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:THAT is what you badly want me to answer? I don't see how it will change anything.
Equally how will my answer to your questions change anything? I just want your view to answer you correctly.

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Have I ever said I do not acknowledge there is a God?
I honestly can't remember, I just want from you what you earlier wanted from me, yes or no.

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 17th, 2013, 1:09 am

Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:THAT is what you badly want me to answer? I don't see how it will change anything.
Equally how will my answer to your questions change anything? I just want your view to answer you correctly.

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Have I ever said I do not acknowledge there is a God?
I honestly can't remember, I just want from you what you earlier wanted from me, yes or no.
your ability to throw out red herrings is increasing exponentially.

FYI you can save yourself alot of time by just not posting a reply instead of deflecting every question you wish to not answer with a red herring.

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 17th, 2013, 1:12 am

V8 Boys wrote:When we look around at the world today, with the senseless, heartless and hurtful things that people do to each other, there are some who wonder how could the "One who created all things" just sit and watch...allowing all these things to go on.

Worldwide on average there are 500,000 murders per year, & war related deaths just in the last 5 years has gone from 52,000 to 100,000plus...per year.
Globally...over 3.1 million children under the age of 5 die every year due to malnutrition or starvation.
Cancer is the leading cause of death worldwide with over 8 million loosing the battle each year.

Disasters such as earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, tsunamis and volcanoes took over 142,000 lives in 2010.
In 2012, there were 991,746, 590 REGISTERED abortions.

The only figures that have shown a consistent drop since 2010 were deaths due to "natural disasters". No doubt due to a heightened awareness of such disasters, precautionary steps and advanced warning systems and breakthroughs in construction and design.

So, any clear thinking individual can see just how much suffering mankind undergoes and to a degree can see how much of it, is self inflicted.

Now, how do these stats bare on the theme of this thread...and what relevance/importance do they bring to the topic of whether God is predisposed to being of Trinidadian nationality?

To understand not only the Trinidadians understanding of good and bad, but of the world...one must look beneath the obvious and shallow beliefs that "it had was tuh happen" and "when yuh time come it come" and " God wanted another angel, so he took my likkle 2yr old son/daughter to be with him in heaven".

To understand why so many disbelieve that there is a God, one must look at the reasons for that distrust and disbelief...and to a large extent,religion...or to be more precise...False Religion has been mostly responsible for man's dis-illusionment with his Creator.

And to be even more specific...the world's religious leaders have had a major role in that regard.

end of part 1
thanks for bringing the thread back on track!
looking forward to part 2

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby Habit7 » October 17th, 2013, 1:49 am

What red herring am I throwing out? The prior question you asked me I answered directly with 377 words.

You think I am trying to deflect from this?:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Habit7 wrote: The source of natural laws has to be supernatural.
why?

I answered that here viewtopic.php?f=4&t=267363&p=7029094#p7029094 as if you didnt read it and post right after :roll:

When I equally asked you the source of nature, after deflections and logical fallacies, you offered a Wikipedia article about 'nature' which describes nature but doesn't give the source of nature. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=267363&p=7006234#p7006234

All power to V8 boys for trying to get the thread on track but it was some your questions to me and him (which he is yet to answer) that made it go off track.

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Re: So God is Not a Trini ... Right??

Postby bluefete » October 29th, 2013, 11:42 am

Hurricane Sandy, one year later: Tracing the superstorm's path from inception to destruction
How New York, New Jersey bore the brunt of death and devastation

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By Ginger Adams Otis / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, October 26, 2013, 5:27 PM

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NOAA satellite image taken Monday, Oct. 29, 2012 shows Hurricane Sandy off the Mid Atlantic coastline moving toward the north. Hurricane Sandy wheeled toward land as forecasters feared, raking cities along the Northeast corridor with rain and wind gusts, flooding shore towns, washing away a section of the Atlantic City Boardwalk, and threatening to cripple Wall Street and New York's subway system with a huge surge of corrosive seawater.




The second-costliest storm in America’s history started out as a warm tickle of moist, humid air off the coast of Africa, wrapped inside a large tropical wave traveling west.

The elongated trough, formed Oct. 11, carried an aberrant configuration of low pressure from the eastern edge of the Atlantic Basin. It coalesced into a speedy mass as it journeyed across the water.

By the time it motored into the southern Caribbean sea Oct. 22, spitting thunderstorms and covering the Nicaraguan coast in dark clouds, meteorologists in Miami and Cuba watched it with wary eyes.

The erratic weather system, whipping winds at 40 mph, had already gained enough velocity to be classified as a tropical storm. Yet just 48 hours laters, scientists at Miami’s National Hurricane Center had to upgrade it again.

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Storm cut a devastating chunk from this house on the Jersey Shore.


Tropical Storm Sandy, as it had been officially named, became a Category 1 hurricane just in time for its Oct. 24 touchdown in Jamaica. Its 80-mph winds screeched over the island as the storm’s outer rings dumped 20 inches of rain across Haiti. Floods and mudslides there killed 50.

Inside the eye of the storm, raging winds fed off the energy generated by the Caribbean’s warm waters. Sandy’s center turned, and in the traditional pathway for late-season hurricanes, headed directly for Cuba.

In Miami, James Franklin, the branch chief of the hurricane specialist unit, got some disturbing news from his forecasters.
Sea water floods the Ground Zero construction site on Monday, Oct. 29, 2012, as Hurricane Sandy forced the shutdown of mass transit, schools and financial markets.


There was something strange about Sandy.

“We knew several days in advance of the storm’s landfall in New Jersey that there was a potential problem,” said Franklin. “Our challenge was how to give the right warnings to prepare people for it.”

What his scientists were seeing on their computer screens was a worst-case scenario of bad weather collisions — a hot, heavy, thunderstorm-filled hurricane on a path to careen into a series of cold fronts coming down the U.S. east coast.

“Hurricanes are usually tightly focused storms with strong winds relatively close to center,” Franklin said. “Winter time lows, however, are structured differently, and intensify differently. They can cover a much wider area.”

If the disparate systems merged, Sandy had the potential to grow infinitely stronger and broader — and its size would produce an almost unimaginable storm surge, Franklin realized.

Adding to the potential witch’s brew was a high-pressure cold front that scientists spotted hovering off the North Atlantic coast around Baltimore. It was blocking the usual path out to sea that tropical cyclones typically followed as they swirled northward — and it was strong enough to spin Sandy around.

That meant all of Sandy’s destructive energy could be forced inland, right across the densely packed New Jersey and New York shores.


“We’ve never had such a challenging scenario,” Franklin said.
Vehicles sit trapped in high floodwater during storm surge from Hurricane Sandy near the Brooklyn

As his team conferred minute-to-minute with meteorologists and emergency management personnel up and down the East Coast, Sandy bashed Santiago de Cuba — a historic city on Cuba’s southeast coast — with 110 mph winds Oct. 26.

From there it took a bead on the Bahamas, flowing over the small island a day later, then dipping and veering eastward toward Florida.

Watching the data flickering across their computers, Franklin’s team realized Sandy had already absorbed one cold weather front. Instead of losing its hot, humid tropical center, the storm gained a tough outer shell of freezing cold rain, wind and rain.

Sandy was now a snowstorm wrapped around a hurricane.

“I think that was the first time the Hurricane Center had to put out a snow advisory,” noted Franklin.

Re-energized, Sandy pushed northward on a parallel track toward Georgia and up the coast.

It was already roiling New York waters. On Saturday, Oct. 27, Sandy got hold of one of its earliest U.S. victims. Kayaker Jet Krumwiede, 21, drowned after rough waters tossed him into the Long Island Sound near his Milford, Conn., home.

Over the next 24 hours, Sandy’s winter exterior lashed as far inland as West Virginia, which got a freezing dose of wind and snow in its Appalachian peaks, as did several surrounding states. Meanwhile, it’s tropical core and brutal winds threw waves and water with tremendous force.
Helicopter views of damage from Hurricane Sandy last October. More than 100 homes burned in Breezy Point.

With the death toll in the Caribbean already estimated at 70 and casualties mounting in the U.S., New York, Maryland, Washington D.C. and Pennsylvania declared a state of emergency — even as a second bizarre configuration of weather gave Sandy an extra kick.

“That second winter system helped the fronts already around Sandy get stronger and bigger,” Franklin said. “In terms of its size, it was accurate to call it a monster.”

Near Hatteras, North Carolina, a wooden replica of the H.M.S Bounty broke apart under the pounding surf as crewmembers scrambled to escape the sinking vessel. Fourteen survived — plucked from the water by the Coast Guard — but 42-year-old Claudene Christian drowned before she could be saved. The body of the ship’s captain, Robin Walbridge, 63, was declared missing at sea.

At Franklin’s Hurricane Center, meteorologists realized Sandy had grown into something beyond their usual classification system. Aided by a full moon and cold weather, Sandy was morphing into a powerful, superstorm hybrid with killer winds capable of flogging waves into a convulsive frenzy — and it was about to turn inland.


As morning dawned Oct. 29, Sandy hit the robust, high-pressure front blocking its path out to sea. With nowhere else to go, the vast storm turned northwest — taking a rare curve as it expanded into a massive tempest covering an estimated 820 miles.

That odd trajectory meant the tropical cyclone’s powerful right side — the one with the fiercest winds that was usually pointed out to sea — faced New York, making its wallop even harder.

In New York and New Jersey, emergency personnel raced to prepare for the monster superstorm that was shape-shifting toward land, heralded by a mammoth storm surge.
Floods and fire destroyed several houses on Beach 129th Street in Rockaway, Queens.
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Floods and fire destroyed several houses on Beach 129th Street in Rockaway, Queens.

N.J. Gov. Chris Christie had already ordered Jersey Shore and barrier island residents to evacuate, and even the casinos in Atlantic City had to shutter by 4 p.m. Sunday, about 24 hours before the worst of the storm was scheduled to hit.

Trains and planes along the Northeast were grounded. Tunnels in and out of New York City were closed by Sunday evening and the subway system suspended as Mayor Bloomberg ordered evacuations of low-lying areas around the city. Broadway shows were canceled.

“Let me stress that we are ordering the evacuation for the safety of approximately 375,000 people who live in these areas,” Bloomberg said at a late-afternoon press conference Sunday. “We will certainly get through this, but we would like to get through this with nobody getting hurt.”

Residents below 39th St. along 1st Ave. in Manhattan, down the East River through the Financial District and Battery Park City and up the West Side Highway to 60th St. were urged to find shelter on higher ground. The same orders covered Staten Island’s shore areas, Brooklyn’s Coney Island and The Rockaways in Queens.

But not everybody heeded the warnings.

At 8 p.m. Oct. 29, after hours of increasing wind, rain and surging seas, Sandy roared into the tri-state area for real, making landfall at Brigantine, New Jersey.

Its cyclone winds extended 175 miles from the storm’s eye, and ripple effects from a post-tropical nor’easter were felt across the entirety of New York, all the way to the Great Lakes.

Swooping and lunging into New York harbor with a peak wave of 32.5 feet, the storm crashed over the protective seawall at Battery Park City.
Storm cut a devastating chunk from this house on the Jersey Shore.

It sent surges 14 feet high — the highest ever recorded in New York Habor — smashing into the city’s subway system, flooding its tunnels, ripping through debris and filling the Hugh Cary Tunnel to Brooklyn.

Houses on the city’s edges cracked apart amid the water’s incredible force. Entire structures were gutted in an instant, furniture, family heirlooms, even cars bobbing away into the night.

For the residents trying to brave it out, the water was inescapable as it rampaged through neighborhoods without mercy, on the verge of swamping the bulk of the city.

Almost immediately, Sandy claimed more victims.

Lauren Abraham, 23, was barefoot in her front yard in Richmond Hill, Queens, around 8:30 p.m. shooting video of the incoming storm on her iPhone when she stepped on a power line pulled down by heavy winds.

Anthony Narh, 58, a Ghanaian immigrant who was called in to work at Empire Parking even though it was in the heart of Tribeca’s evacuation zone, drowned as tons of water gushed into the basement garage.

Frank Suber was on a sidewalk at 90 Broad St. when the storm surge swept him off his feet and through a revolving door into a commercial building, where he drowned.

Vernie Mathison, 61, died in his West Orange, N.J., home after the power went out and his oxygen machine stopped working.

George Tatay, 61, of Brick, got trapped in his New Jersey house and drowned.

In Brooklyn, young friends Jessie Streich-Kest, 24, and Jacob Vogelman, 24, were crushed by an uprooted tree while walking Kest’s dog in Ditmas Park.

Young brothers Brendan and Connor Moore, 2 and 4, were sucked out of the hands of their mother Glenda Moore as she struggled to escape the swirling flood waters that overran much of Staten Island.

Unlikely saviors sprang into action, like Dylan Smith, 23, a lifeguard who used his surfboard to help save six lives as Sandy raged, and Pete Vadola, a Staten Islander who went back and forth in the rising water to motor 200 people to safety.

Elsewhere, EMTs, firefighters, cops, transit workers, electricians and others fought to keep power outages from spreading and move people to safety.

Local schools were turned into makeshift shelters to absorb the displaced.

The nightmarish conditions extended across Coney Island, the Rockaways and Long Island.

Spouting floodwaters turned iconic boardwalks into matchsticks, upended historic amusement park rides and trapped thousands in attics, on roofs or on upper floors — particularly the elderly and those living in projects.


“The full moon came out at one point and it was something out of a cartoon. I saw cars float at me, branches floating at me. I’ve surfed some of the biggest waves in the world and that was the scariest s--- I’ve ever seen in my life," pro surfer Will Skudin, then 27, told The News.



Skudin jumped on his jet ski and searched Long Beach, L.I. for anyone in need, even as the deluge filled his own home on the barrier island.

“I knew there was a chance people could drown,” he said. “We knew we weren’t going to get to all of Long Beach.”

As the rampant seawater poured into the old, wooden homes lining Breezy Point, a loose electrical wire caught fire and sparked a massive blaze that threatened the beachfront community’s 2,800 homes.

Even with the rain and flooding, Sandy’s winds spread the red-hot embers with ruthless efficiency among the dense wooden homes, separated on either side by just a few feet of narrow sand paths.

The conflagration erupted into a six-alarm fire, but local volunteer fire units and the FDNY were hamstrung by the flooded streets, which held up to 12 feet of water.

As firefighters battled to save buildings in Breezy, others fought to save lives at NYU Langone Hospital. The hospital on the West Side of Manhattan was without power, and its back-up generator failed just before midnight. Nurses and doctors trekked up and down darkened stairwells to bring out 300 patients, starting with 20 babies in neo-natal intensive care.
Before power was restored in the West Village, residents used a FEMA lighting stand to charge cell phones and tablets on Bleecker Street.

As the sun came up Tuesday, Oct. 30, 50 million people from Haiti to Rhode Island were without power, and huge swaths of New York and New Jersey were swimming in wreckage. Most of Breezy Point was charred rubble.

Families who held out hope for their missing often got confronted with grim news, like the parents of off-duty Staten Island cop Artur Kasprzak.

The 28-year-old was found at 7 a.m. the day after the storm in his basement on Doty Avenue in South Beach. He’d gone there to take one last look after leading seven family members — including his 15-month-old son — to the attic to escape the deadly flood waters. As his loved ones waited through the night for him upstairs, Kasprzak, a six-year veteran of the NYPD, lay dead below, the victim of accidental electrocution.

In New Jersey, the historic roller coaster at Seaside Heights lay half submerged in water, tumbled by Sandy’s wrath. Nearly all the beach front properties in wealthy Mantoloking were obliterated.

“You could stand near the bay and you could see all the way through to the ocean,” recalled Chris Nelson, 41, who is now working as a special counsel to the mayor of Mantoloking. “No sand dunes. No homes. Just a straight shot.”

Channels of water had split the town into three segments.

After the storm, much of the Jersey Shore was sealed off. National guardsmen patrolled the streets — and Barnegat Bay — to guard against looters. It wasn’t until weeks later that residents were allowed to visit their homes. They congregated at central meeting areas and were transported in by bus. It wasn’t long before everyone on the bus was crying. People would be led to their homes by state troopers and national guardsmen who were crying as well.

“One out of every four homes was gone,” recalled Richie Fitzpatrick, 58, a retired firefighter who owns a house in Ortley Beach. “It was really rough.”


Similar devastation wracked Staten Island, Coney Island, Long Island and The Rockaways. Some 106 fires citywide were attributed to Sandy, including 21 fires during the storm and 85 later blazes linked to its damage.

As many as 3,000 people whose homes were too damaged to return to needed semi-permanent housing from the city, and federal emergency agencies rushed to bring food, water and clothes to storm-torn neighborhoods. Lack of electricty partially paralyzed the city, leaving some 80,000 tenants in New York City Housing Authority projects in Lower Manhattan, Coney Island and Far Rockaway without basic services.

Twelve days after the surge, 35,000 NYCHA residents still had no heat or hot water and 13,000 remained in the dark, unable to leave their apartments because of blacked-out elevators. NYCHA Chairman John Rhea was blasted by tenants and elected officials for having no plan and moving at a snail’s pace to accept generators and temporary boilers from the feds.

President Obama, then just weeks away from re-election, flew into New Jersey to assess the damage. He got a warm welcome from Gov. Christie, who enraged his fellow GOPers for praising Obama’s swift promise of disaster aid — even as Christie had to set rations for 12 counties due to extreme gas shortages.

In New York, major swaths of the crippled city remained in blackness throughout the week, public transportation was at a standstill in the floodzones and Mayor Bloomberg roused intense ire when he refused to cancel the Nov. 3 marathon.

Epic lines and frustration exploded around empty gas pumps and Bloomberg — confronted with outraged Sandy victims, some still living in schools even as the Dept. of Education tried to send students back to class — finally gave in and stopped the race.

New York City, like storm-ravaged communities up and down the coast, limped its way back to a semblance of its former self in the weeks and months that followed Sandy, although for many families and neighborhoods, life was forever altered.

In its wake, Sandy left a $65 billion price tag, and ultimately affected about 60 million people.

Some 24,000 families are registered with the city’s Build it Back program, which will pay for home repairs and flood-proof them for future storms — something likely to happen as the world’s sea levels uniformly rise.

The transit system, after a year of intense labor, is almost back to normal. Members of Transit Workers Union Local 100 restored the Rockaway Line, repaired damage at transit yards, shops and other facilities, repaired damage to security equipment and are still working inside the Montague and Greenpoint Tubes.

Over the past 12 months, NYC Transit employees have logged 2,300,000 hours on Sandy Recovery & Resiliency projects, installed 100 miles of new cable, moved 32,000 tons of debris and repaired 46,000 miles of track.

As more money trickles in from the federal government — which has only released about $700 million of the roughly $60 billion in storm recovery aid — reconstruction projects hopefully will speed up.

The city says future building will be done with the possibility of “superstorms” in mind, with big investments in the transportation and electrical infrastructures that took such a terrible beating.

Already, environmental steps are being taken to strengthen natural defenses: about 1.2 million cubic yards of sand have been dumped on beaches on Staten Island, Coney Island and the Rockaway peninsula to fortify the shore.

Sandy’s terrifying intensity rewrote the psyche of a city that once believed itself safe from the harrowing harm of big Atlantic storms. But a year later, New Yorkers can take some comfort in knowing the city’s trying to learn from its harsh lesson.

With Rich Schapiro, Vera Chinese, Greg Smith and Pete Donohue

gotis@nydailynews.com

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you figure God created the high pressure system that forced Sandy to stay inland?

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Postby bluefete » October 29th, 2013, 1:42 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:you figure God created the high pressure system that forced Sandy to stay inland?


The interesting thing about living in today's world is that people can conjure up rational, natural laws and explanations for many, many natural events. But they will never give God credit for putting these natural laws in place.


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The Astronomical Book
Main article: Enoch calendar
Correspondence of weekly day in the Qumran year[71] Months 1,4,7,10 Months 2,5,8,11 Months 3,6,9,12
Wed 1 8 15 22 29 6 13 20 27 4 11 18 25
Thurs 2 9 16 23 30 7 14 21 28 5 12 19 26
Fri 3 10 17 24 1 8 15 22 29 6 13 20 27
Sat 4 11 18 25 2 9 16 23 30 7 14 21 28
Sun 5 12 19 26 3 10 17 24 1 8 15 22 29
Mon 6 13 20 27 4 11 18 25 2 9 16 23 30
Tues 7 14 21 28 5 12 19 26 3 10 17 24 31

Four fragmentary editions of the Astronomical Book were found at Qumran, 4Q208-211.[72] 4Q208 and 4Q209 have been dated to the beginning of the 2nd century BC, providing a terminus ante quem for the Astronomical Book of the 3rd century BC,[73] if not earlier. The fragments found in Qumran also include material not contained in the later versions of the Book of Enoch.[71][73][74]

This book contains descriptions of the movement of heavenly bodies and of the firmament, as a knowledge revealed to Enoch in his trips to Heaven guided by Uriel, and it describes a Solar calendar that was later described also in the Book of Jubilees which was used by the Dead Sea sect. The use of this calendar made it impossible to celebrate the festivals simultaneously with the Temple of Jerusalem.

The year was composed from 364 days, divided in 4 equal seasons of 91 days each. Each season was composed of three equal months of 30 days, plus an extra day at the end of the third month. The whole year was thus composed of exactly 52 weeks, and every calendar day occurred always on the same day of the week. Each year and each season started always on Wednesday, which was the fourth day of the creation narrated in Genesis, the day when the lights in the sky, the seasons, the days and the years were created.[71]:94–95 It is not known how they used to reconcile this calendar with the tropical year of 365.24 days (at least seven suggestions have been made), and it is not even sure if they felt the need to adjust it.[71]:125–140

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bluefete wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:you figure God created the high pressure system that forced Sandy to stay inland?


The interesting thing about living in today's world is that people can conjure up rational, natural laws and explanations for many, many natural events. But they will never give God credit for putting these natural laws in place.
conjure up?

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Postby 3stagevtec » October 29th, 2013, 2:18 pm

I browse through these threads every now and then and I am always amazed at the level of irrational talk some men throw out.. Do people actually read what they write? Are people really that blinded by faith so that they throw common sense and reason completely out the door?? So sad...

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