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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby UML » March 1st, 2011, 11:08 pm

crazychinee wrote:PNM figures:
In 2008, 77 murders were solved out of 543 murders reported, or a 14.2 percent detection-rate..
In 2009, 126 murders were detected out of 549 reported murders, or a 23 percent detection-rate.
So the PNM would of only hung 14-23% of those that deserved it.
PP?
It's wasted legislation, you can't even catch the bloody killers.


so why not quote the stats post may 24th :?

i eh know if u trying tuh prove PP right or wrong :lol: :lol: :lol:...das how dey does teach u abroad?!! :shock:

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby Cjruckus » March 2nd, 2011, 12:23 am

Aaron 2NR wrote:ok where do i start....

yes i do support the death penalty...as well as the bill that the government had before parliament...no where did the government say it is going to stop crime but they are going to enforce the death penalty as the highest form of conviction in the land.

if we recall from Imbert's speech.....the privy council told us in three landmark decisions in 93, 03,04 that our laws are so tightly worded that the privy council has said that even if they wanted to, they cannot interfere with the imposition of the mandatory death penalty for murder in T&T.....

Under the human right's act, after being convicted a person has to be executive before 5 yrs has passed otherwise it would be illegal to execute said person....

Under our current constitution there is so time limit in which a person has to appeal his conviction and the government wanted to amend the constitution, so that, after being convicted a person has 12 mths to appeal and be heard by the appeal courts and human rights commission.....the PNM then asked for it to be changed to 18 mths because the appeal courts usually take sometime to respond....


This was just one of the plans that the government were going to rule out in its fight against crime. ie. setting a time limit on appeals for those on death row.....
The government is in the process to bring legislation to construct a DNA lab, setting up a database and include it in its fight against crime.....


So you support the death penalty and condone gay rights... I believe that makes you a Libertarian.

I think the government needs to stop politicizing every murder and making it a case for the death penalty. Hell even non murders (like the stupid boy who drown in south) are front page news to support this idea of the death penalty.

I am pro death penalty. I believe it can help reduce the number of people on death row and take a huge strain off our prisons and in turn save tax payers money.

If the government is serious about this.. have a referendum (you kids probably have no idea what the hell that is). Don't let members of parliament decide every constitutional change for us. Its our Tax Payer dollars that are going to be used to kill someone at the end of the day. I just want the most bang for the buck.. i say bring back the chair.

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby Dirty Face » March 2nd, 2011, 12:41 am

eyephone wrote:Hoss u is a real big man to mention pnm and transparency in the same post boihossboidanboibaa


I never said the PNM were transparent.. but they didnt build a campaign on the foundation of needed govt transparency now did they..?

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby Dirty Face » March 2nd, 2011, 12:48 am

UML wrote:
as i said before what is the RECORD of PNM hangings vs UNC/PP hangings?!!!



EY boy you does say some things that so unintelligent I feel that a new word needs to be invented to aptly describe your level of stupidity.. To begin with you NEVER have FACTS its always just "your opinion" and your opinion is worth.. well about what you could get for a used condom...

What you're trying to tell tuners is that UNC hang more people than the PNM.. really...? You even THINK that through....?

UNC had one hanging "powerplay" around 99 a couple of criminals and the Chadee gang.. and the whole WORLD know the latter is mainly because they had to kill him to stop him from squealing on them self.. ask Ramesh..... :wink:

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby ray_S.T.R.A_man » March 2nd, 2011, 4:51 am

yeap PNM like it that way. Protecting the Criminals. Criminals themselves.
CHILDISH PETULANT CRAP: “Government’s attitude and behaviour is not what is required in a situation like this. If the Government needs Opposition support on a matter like this, you don’t disregard our point of view and then try to bully us into voting." ROWLEY, #1 PNM bloodthirsty criminal defender. Tell that to Daniel, Akiel, and all those murdered, raped. Evil heartless PNM supports criminals.
PNM happy to see Indian suffer and dead.
Nasty set of people.

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby trini mk5 » March 2nd, 2011, 6:25 am

ray_S.T.R.A_man wrote:yeap PNM like it that way. Protecting the Criminals. Criminals themselves.
CHILDISH PETULANT CRAP: “Government’s attitude and behaviour is not what is required in a situation like this. If the Government needs Opposition support on a matter like this, you don’t disregard our point of view and then try to bully us into voting." ROWLEY, #1 PNM bloodthirsty criminal defender. Tell that to Daniel, Akiel, and all those murdered, raped. Evil heartless PNM supports criminals.
PNM happy to see Indian suffer and dead.
Nasty set of people.


Ay why you doh hush yuh kant...if thats the kinda flabbergastery you gonna talk. Have you read the reason why the opposition not supporting the bill :roll: just another PP sheep baaa baaa

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby UML » March 2nd, 2011, 6:32 am

Cjruckus wrote:
Aaron 2NR wrote:ok where do i start....

yes i do support the death penalty...as well as the bill that the government had before parliament...no where did the government say it is going to stop crime but they are going to enforce the death penalty as the highest form of conviction in the land.

if we recall from Imbert's speech.....the privy council told us in three landmark decisions in 93, 03,04 that our laws are so tightly worded that the privy council has said that even if they wanted to, they cannot interfere with the imposition of the mandatory death penalty for murder in T&T.....

Under the human right's act, after being convicted a person has to be executive before 5 yrs has passed otherwise it would be illegal to execute said person....

Under our current constitution there is so time limit in which a person has to appeal his conviction and the government wanted to amend the constitution, so that, after being convicted a person has 12 mths to appeal and be heard by the appeal courts and human rights commission.....the PNM then asked for it to be changed to 18 mths because the appeal courts usually take sometime to respond....


This was just one of the plans that the government were going to rule out in its fight against crime. ie. setting a time limit on appeals for those on death row.....
The government is in the process to bring legislation to construct a DNA lab, setting up a database and include it in its fight against crime.....


So you support the death penalty and condone gay rights... I believe that makes you a Libertarian.

I think the government needs to stop politicizing every murder and making it a case for the death penalty. Hell even non murders (like the stupid boy who drown in south) are front page news to support this idea of the death penalty.

I am pro death penalty. I believe it can help reduce the number of people on death row and take a huge strain off our prisons and in turn save tax payers money.

If the government is serious about this.. have a referendum (you kids probably have no idea what the hell that is). Don't let members of parliament decide every constitutional change for us. Its our Tax Payer dollars that are going to be used to kill someone at the end of the day. I just want the most bang for the buck.. i say bring back the chair.


the child didnt drown......he was killed and his body dumped in the river (most likely in an unconscious state hence the "drowning").........he was taken away from the area he lived...which is Gasparillo and ended up dead by Sando Tech which is toooooo far for the child to walk and not connected by any waterways....how u think he reach dey?!!!


and why have a referendum when the PNM agrees that 91% of the country wants the death penalty?!!

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UML wrote:
as i said before what is the RECORD of PNM hangings vs UNC/PP hangings?!!!



EY boy you does say some things that so unintelligent I feel that a new word needs to be invented to aptly describe your level of stupidity.. To begin with you NEVER have FACTS its always just "your opinion" and your opinion is worth.. well about what you could get for a used condom...

What you're trying to tell tuners is that UNC hang more people than the PNM.. really...? You even THINK that through....?

UNC had one hanging "powerplay" around 99 a couple of criminals and the Chadee gang.. and the whole WORLD know the latter is mainly because they had to kill him to stop him from squealing on them self.. ask Ramesh..... :wink:



smh...well bring the facts....the fact is the had 7 years and they hanged no one.....bring the facts you soooo know about how many ppl dey hanged in the 50 yrs.....you pretend tuh know and full ah BS!!! DAT IS AH FACT!!! :wink:

since u only deal with facts....where the evidence for that fact about Ramesh????........IDIOT!!!


the fact remains one term in office 8 men hanged...do the maths for the PNM (which from your thinking I doubt u cud anyway!!!)


....still waiting on a comment on the request for removing the categories of murder!!!!...see you also avoiding it "scholar" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


UML wrote:For the PNM supporters lemme hear allyuh defend this one..............i always say they dont look at the bigger picture because they live hand to mouth (discussed numerous times)...........the PNM started doing facking sheit when they insisted that the PP remove the categories of murders....which the legal fraternity had been calling on for year.....which the PP reluctantly did because they were forced to to get support (which they never did...das ah whole next thread!!!)

so they remove the categories of murder for the PNM......so that all murders would result in the death penalty.


so tell me this.......


Case 1: When 2 friends drinking and a lil scuffle start and one push one down and he fall and hit he head and dead....or cuff him and he fall and hit he head and dead....or any variation of this........should the friend be hanged?!!!

Case 2: When a man come home from work (Suffer Indian Suffer).......work he ass off and hustling on the side to mind he family and come home and find ah man in he bed with he wife and kill the man by licks or push down.........should he be hanged?

Case 3: When the old man from penal kill the bandit dat was chopping up he son in law and daughter and bounce him/chop him fine like chilli bibbi and he dead...........should he be hanged?

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.........doh worry i doh expect to get an answer........jus like when i asked "what was the record of PNM hangings vs UNC hangings?" :roll:
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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby Humes » March 2nd, 2011, 6:36 am

crazychinee wrote:PNM figures:
In 2008, 77 murders were solved out of 543 murders reported, or a 14.2 percent detection-rate..
In 2009, 126 murders were detected out of 549 reported murders, or a 23 percent detection-rate.
So the PNM would of only hung 14-23% of those that deserved it.
PP?
It's wasted legislation, you can't even catch the bloody killers.



Not even that many. I don't think the homicide detection rate and the conviction rate are the same thing. So only a fraction of that fraction were actually convicted of murder.

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby eyephone » March 2nd, 2011, 10:18 am

Hang the red sheep.

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby Dirty Face » March 2nd, 2011, 11:21 am

UML wrote:
Dirty Face wrote:
UML wrote:
as i said before what is the RECORD of PNM hangings vs UNC/PP hangings?!!!



EY boy you does say some things that so unintelligent I feel that a new word needs to be invented to aptly describe your level of stupidity.. To begin with you NEVER have FACTS its always just "your opinion" and your opinion is worth.. well about what you could get for a used condom...

What you're trying to tell tuners is that UNC hang more people than the PNM.. really...? You even THINK that through....?

UNC had one hanging "powerplay" around 99 a couple of criminals and the Chadee gang.. and the whole WORLD know the latter is mainly because they had to kill him to stop him from squealing on them self.. ask Ramesh..... :wink:



smh...well bring the facts....the fact is the had 7 years and they hanged no one.....bring the facts you soooo know about how many ppl dey hanged in the 50 yrs.....you pretend tuh know and full ah BS!!! DAT IS AH FACT!!! :wink:

since u only deal with facts....where the evidence for that fact about Ramesh????........IDIOT!!!


the fact remains one term in office 8 men hanged...do the maths for the PNM (which from your thinking I doubt u cud anyway!!!)


....still waiting on a comment on the request for removing the categories of murder!!!!...see you also avoiding it "scholar" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

.........doh worry i doh expect to get an answer........jus like when i asked "what was the record of PNM hangings vs UNC hangings?" :roll:
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Ey Captain stupid I never claimed to have any facts.. read my post.. where did I claim such? All I said is that YOU HAD NONE AND BUMPING YUH GUM LIKE YUH HAD when with just some thought you could rationalize that no way UNC could hang more people than PNM in their "50 years" .. now when yuh think it through (a miracle in its own right) you realise that no way that could be possible and start to say "one term" and "7 years plus 50 etc etc" as usual your keyborad engages before your brain.

2) I have no facts about Ramesh, the whole world know the relationship with Dole Chadee and the UNC; again I NEVER CLAIMED to have any facts nor did I say "I only deal up in facts" just goes to show you you can lead an idiot to a forum but you cant make him comprehend huh?

3) I agree eliminating categorical charges is ridiculous, as is the 18 month limit or even the fact that the UNC claims the PNM supporting crime by not voting for this bill when it has been PROVEN (see that word- proven- it means I HAVE FACTS) that their does not exist a positive beta co-efficient between hanging and crime reduction...

4) Even when you HAVE a fact it is wrong !!! the UNC hang 8 people??? Dole and company ALONE is over 8, I know you not good with english but you cant do MATH either??

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby cornfused » March 2nd, 2011, 11:52 am

Who determines the category of murders under that bill?

This bill does nothing to increase detecting and conviction of criminals , this deals with the end state of justice carried out on the convict and incorrectly increasing the time to this process.

How is this meaningful when we cannot find out who committed these crimes and bring them to answer for these crimes ?

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby UML » March 2nd, 2011, 11:54 am

Dirty Face wrote:
UML wrote:
Dirty Face wrote:
UML wrote:
as i said before what is the RECORD of PNM hangings vs UNC/PP hangings?!!!


EY boy you does say some things that so unintelligent I feel that a new word needs to be invented to aptly describe your level of stupidity.. To begin with you NEVER have FACTS its always just "your opinion" and your opinion is worth.. well about what you could get for a used condom...

What you're trying to tell tuners is that UNC hang more people than the PNM.. really...? You even THINK that through....?

UNC had one hanging "powerplay" around 99 a couple of criminals and the Chadee gang.. and the whole WORLD know the latter is mainly because they had to kill him to stop him from squealing on them self.. ask Ramesh.....



smh...well bring the facts....the fact is the had 7 years and they hanged no one.....bring the facts you soooo know about how many ppl dey hanged in the 50 yrs.....you pretend tuh know and full ah BS!!! DAT IS AH FACT!!

since u only deal with facts....where the evidence for that fact about Ramesh????........IDIOT!!!


the fact remains one term in office 8 men hanged...do the maths for the PNM (which from your thinking I doubt u cud anyway!!!)


....still waiting on a comment on the request for removing the categories of murder!!!!...see you also avoiding it "scholar"

.........doh worry i doh expect to get an answer........jus like when i asked "what was the record of PNM hangings vs UNC hangings?"


Ey Captain stupid I never claimed to have any facts.. read my post.. where did I claim such? All I said is that YOU HAD NONE AND BUMPING YUH GUM LIKE YUH HAD when with just some thought you could rationalize that no way UNC could hang more people than PNM in their "50 years" .. now when yuh think it through (a miracle in its own right) you realise that no way that could be possible and start to say "one term" and "7 years plus 50 etc etc" as usual your keyborad engages before your brain.

2) I have no facts about Ramesh, the whole world know the relationship with Dole Chadee and the UNC; again I NEVER CLAIMED to have any facts nor did I say "I only deal up in facts" just goes to show you you can lead an idiot to a forum but you cant make him comprehend huh?

3) I agree eliminating categorical charges is ridiculous, as is the 18 month limit or even the fact that the UNC claims the PNM supporting crime by not voting for this bill when it has been PROVEN (see that word- proven- it means I HAVE FACTS) that their does not exist a positive beta co-efficient between hanging and crime reduction...

4) Even when you HAVE a fact it is wrong !!! the UNC hang 8 people??? Dole and company ALONE is over 8, I know you not good with english but you cant do MATH either??


:lol: :lol:

boy you hadda be ah real jackass den?!!

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criticize someone for not having facts....one wud think that they do?!!! to talk about "facts" and not have any?!! :lol: :lol:

WELL STFU and UDFR den?!!!...........yuh make meh day boy!!!

and it is a FACT that UNC was in office for ONE term..isnt it?!!! and that they definitely hanged 8 ppl (there was an unconstitutional hanging)...is that not a FACT?!!! :lol: :lol:

bring d facts....cause 7 outta d 50 year dey hang ZERO!!!...since u like tuh talk bout fact u hypocrite!!

take ah next one

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and bout ramesh........ :lol: :lol: i eh even bothering tuh read d rest nah...just STFU and let ppl "think" yuh chupid and not KNOW yuh chupid :lol: :lol:

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby Aaron 2NR » March 2nd, 2011, 12:31 pm

this was an interesting article in today's guardian....

totally off the political argument but just facts we are facing....

Pathologist on low crime detection:
Sloppy work by cops is cause

Published: Wed, 2011-03-02 20:12
Geisha Kowlessar




Often homicide cases are “screwed up from the very beginning” due to sloppy work on the part of the police. According to forensic pathologist Dr Valery Alexandrov, who is assigned to the Forensic Science Centre, St James, because of shoddy work many cases have gone cold. Citing the death of eight-year-old Daniel Guerra as an example, Alexandrov, in an interview yesterday, said while the manner of death may have been determined, the circumstances surrounding it were yet to be decided which may result in the probe becoming cold.

He added: “An autopsy does not solve the crime. It is part of the investigation. The police are supposed to provide certain circumstantial evidence which will include details and photos of the crime scene to paint a more comprehensive picture. “In most cases when a body is brought in the police don’t even know the name of the victim. They would say, ‘we just escorting the body.’ But police work is not an escort service.” He said although he developed a special form to be filled out by police to provide circumstantial information before an autopsy, in most cases that too was ignored.

In Daniel’s case, he said, little or no circumstantial evidence was provided by the police. He added: “The boy’s autopsy will not solve the case. It is the police who have to do their work by properly gathering circumstantial evidence from the very beginning and if that’s not so it would mean the police are lazy. “That’s why we have a detection of rate of seven per cent at best, because from the very onset cases are screwed up by the police because there is no gathering of circumstantial evidence,” Alexandrov said.

The pathologist wondered whether photographs were taken of tyre marks, or of footprints, near the river where Daniel’s body was found. Officers from the Crime Scene Unit (CSU), Alexandrov contended, were not properly trained and they “don’t have a clue” about the gathering of forensic evidence. “In the United States there are medical investigators to gather forensic evidence. In Trinidad most of the police don’t know the difference between blood and decomposition fluid. “Some of the officers don’t know the difference between close and distant range or the different types of calibres,” he said. Alexandrov added that medical investigators work in tandem with the police and were specially trained to detect wounds, rigor mortis and other material relating to pathology.

“The police would then gather the physical evidence,”Alexandrov explained. Daniel went missing around midday two Fridays ago after leaving his Bedeau Street, Gasparillo, home to go to a nearby parlour. His body was found in a river off the Tarouba Link Road, San Fernando, two days later. Alexandrov assisted in the first autopsy which was conducted by pathologist by Dr Eastlyn Mc Donald Borris last Monday and which gave the cause of death as drowning. A second autopsy, conducted by Dr Hubert Daisley, another pathologist at the mortuary of the San Fernando General Hospital on Thursday, concluded the child was strangled. A third autopsy, done by United States forensic pathologist Professor James Gill, determined Daniel was murdered, giving “asphyxia consistent with homicide” as the cause. About Valery Alexandrov

Dr Valery Alexandrov was born in Russia in March 1947 and became an American citizen in 1994. In 2007 he served in T&T as a pathologist under the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), operating at the Forensic Science Centre, St James. He was subsequently invited back by T&T to work here. Prior to that, he worked in the state of Michigan in private practice as an independent forensic pathologist/consultant. Alexandrov has a wealth of experience, including working in several European countries, including Germany and Italy.

He is trained in pathology, forensic pathology, forensic issues in war crimes and torture investigations, forensic and somatic autopsies, anatomic pathology and toxicology. In 1987, Alexandrov was a member of the International Commission (USSR, Germany, Poland, and Sweden) investigating the mass executions of victims of Joseph Stalin’s purges and various other crimes against humanity. Daniel Guerra is just the latest young murder victim whose brutal end has prompted a national outpouring of grief and outrage. Some of the cases are still unsolved.

Here is a look back at some of those cases:

Sean Luke

Buggered to death: The body of little Sean Luke was found in a canefield near his home at Orange Valley, Couva, on March 28, 2006. The six-year-old, a United States citizen, would have felt no fear, smiling and laughing with the predator until he was stripped of his clothing and killed in a most agonising way. Pathologist Dr Eastlyn Mc Donald Burris found, during a preliminary examination, the killer inserted a sugarcane stalk into the boy’s rectum, and pushed it until it reached the child’s throat. His intestines were ruptured and other organs damaged.

He died from internal bleeding.

Akeel Mitchell, 17, and Richard Chatoo, 20, have been charged with the boy’s brutal murder. They were 13 and 16 when they were arrested.

Tecia Henry

Ten-year-old Tecia Henry went missing on June 12, 2009, and was found dead in a hole beneath a house in Plaisance Terrace, Laventille. Her partly decomposed corpse was found by a Cepep crew about four days after she went missing. An autopsy revealed the child was strangled. Reputed leader of Laventille’s Block Eight gang Ricardo “Docks” McCarthy, who was suspected of ordering the child’s murder, was discovered shot dead two weeks later. Henry, who lived on Essex Street, John John, with her mother, Diane Henry, and attended the St Rose’s Girls’ Primary School was sent to a nearby parlour but never returned home.

Hope Arismendez

The little girl’s battered and bruised body was found in a canefield in Petersfield, on the outskirts of Felicity, on May 29, 2008. Hope, eight, was raped, buggered and stabbed to death. Her semi-nude body was left on a dirt road in the canefield, which runs parallel to Pierre Road, Charlieville. Homicide detectives said there was a stab wound to the anus and a knife was recovered from the canefield. Hours before the victim was to be given her final farewell, her alleged killer Sunil Ali, 28, slashed both his wrists with a razor blade and hanged himself with a bedsheet in his prison cell at the Remand Yard, Golden Grove Prison, Arouca.

Inmates in cells nearby raised an alarm and Ali was found by prisons officers hanging from the ventilation blocks of his number seven cell, located at the Top Security Block on the eastern side of the Remand Yard.

Akiel Chambers

Akiel Chambers, 11, was found floating in a pool at the home of Charles and Annelore James at Haleland Park, Maraval, on May 24, 1998. No one saw Akiel get into the pool but when his body mysteriously surfaced the following day, he was wearing a man’s swimming trunks. An autopsy proved the boy was a victim of sexual assault.



i personally have never witnessed an investigation or what is done by our local police but it really does raise some eyebrows....what evidence do they collect? and now we see one of the major root causes of low detection is lack of training and expertise in the police service....
the bar needs to be raised within our law enforcement system. As far as i see, most of the officers on the roadways are not even aware of the road laws and make up anything they think of to charge people...

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby Cjruckus » March 2nd, 2011, 1:37 pm

Does it really matter? Without any evidence pointing to a murder, this child drowning sjould not even be in the news. The true killer is the parent who left the child to go alone.

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby Dirty Face » March 2nd, 2011, 3:10 pm

UML, you of all people should not post ANYTHING about backpedaling, please we dont want to start that... plus all I say is I have no facts about Ramesh, it would take you to make that into your sig in a quote that is out of context because you just cant do things that normal people do can you?

And rather than just admit that your ONE FACT was wrong you try to defend it why cant you just say "hey I was wrong" in the same way I said "Hey I agree that the categorical murder is the way to go and the PNM wrong on that one ?? " but then again that would be NORMAL behaviour

People could "think I chupid" like you said but one thing I know is that when it comes to chupid there really can be no comparison between you and I, the whole tuner knows that you have that cake all to yourself.. ask ANYONE, just PICK a tuner.. make a poll even.. I mean 158 of them already think youre gay (according to your last poll) see how many think your stupid if you dare... tell them see my sig in case they need more proof... :wink:

Lastly Im glad I could make your day, I consider myself blessed and as such I strive to help others that are less fortunate than myself glad to know I helped out a mentally challenged individual today, my good deed is done :)

P.S. You and your sheep enjoy it, only 4 years left of dealing with a party that has no leadership, vision, or ideas.. :wink:

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby 16 cycles » March 2nd, 2011, 3:17 pm

^ any yet you waste all that time talking to him???

who stupid now?

back to the topic on hanging nah pls...

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby UML » March 2nd, 2011, 8:48 pm

Dirty Face wrote:UML, you of all people should not post ANYTHING about backpedaling, please we dont want to start that... plus all I say is I have no facts about Ramesh, it would take you to make that into your sig in a quote that is out of context because you just cant do things that normal people do can you?

And rather than just admit that your ONE FACT was wrong you try to defend it why cant you just say "hey I was wrong" in the same way I said "Hey I agree that the categorical murder is the way to go and the PNM wrong on that one ?? " but then again that would be NORMAL behaviour

People could "think I chupid" like you said but one thing I know is that when it comes to chupid there really can be no comparison between you and I, the whole tuner knows that you have that cake all to yourself.. ask ANYONE, just PICK a tuner.. make a poll even.. I mean 158 of them already think youre gay (according to your last poll) see how many think your stupid if you dare... tell them see my sig in case they need more proof...

Lastly Im glad I could make your day, I consider myself blessed and as such I strive to help others that are less fortunate than myself glad to know I helped out a mentally challenged individual today, my good deed is done

P.S. You and your sheep enjoy it, only 4 years left of dealing with a party that has no leadership, vision, or ideas..



:lol: :lol: :lol: you pathetic :lol: :lol: :lol:

16 cycles wrote:^ any yet you waste all that time talking to him???

who stupid now?

back to the topic on hanging nah pls...


:lol: :lol: das one vote for u already Dirty Face :lol: :lol:

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby sMASH » March 3rd, 2011, 12:17 am

hoss man, i all for hanging, but seriously, lewwe get some police dat could respond in time to emergency calls, preserve evidence and assist the csi's in its collection, and a justice system which can act on time and be fair.


hanging would not solve crime, it would just deter a portion of them but reduce the strain on the public coffers,,,,, probably we could hang some public servants to improve their cost/benefit ratio.

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Postby De Dragon » March 3rd, 2011, 1:00 am

Death by hanging is the present law of T&T
Hanging will NEVER help to solve crime, nor was it ever meant to, it is a punitive i.e. post conviction penalty.
The arguments about detection rates, evidence etc, have no bearing on the legislation proposed. The PNM, if quoted correctly, mention "bullying, respect" for not supporting the Bill. If these are genuine enough reasons that people can comfortably give and sleep at night, well then so be it. The PP did come on heavy when seeking the support of the Opposition, but as I understand it, all the offending clauses were removed. If the opinion of Martin Daly S.C., Russell Martineau S.C. and Fenton Ramsahoye S.C. were not considered informed enough, then I really don't know who you'd go to.

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Postby Humes » March 3rd, 2011, 2:14 am

De Dragon wrote:Death by hanging is the present law of T&T
Hanging will NEVER help to solve crime, nor was it ever meant to, it is a punitive i.e. post conviction penalty.
The arguments about detection rates, evidence etc, have no bearing on the legislation proposed.


Really?

Then why are PP MPs, Jack Warner and Subhas in particular, publicly stating that they believe hanging will reduce crime?

Cut out de smartman business. This whole issue is about appealing to the emotions of people dotish enough to think that hanging is a crime deterrent. It always has been, and it always will be.

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby De Dragon » March 3rd, 2011, 3:43 am

Humes wrote:
De Dragon wrote:Death by hanging is the present law of T&T
Hanging will NEVER help to solve crime, nor was it ever meant to, it is a punitive i.e. post conviction penalty.
The arguments about detection rates, evidence etc, have no bearing on the legislation proposed.


Really?

Then why are PP MPs, Jack Warner and Subhas in particular, publicly stating that they believe hanging will reduce crime?

Cut out de smartman business. This whole issue is about appealing to the emotions of people dotish enough to think that hanging is a crime deterrent. It always has been, and it always will be.

"Reduce" and "solve" are two entirely different words you know. Nowhere did I say hanging will reduce crime. Jack/Subash like everyone else, are entitled to their opinion. Also in your last paragraph, are you saying that crime will always be, or are you actually contradicting yourself? :?

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Postby Dirty Face » March 3rd, 2011, 5:13 am

UML I done, 16 cycles has shown me the light, my final comment to you is, if you so sure, I dare you to make that poll, and see what people have to say.. I await with baited breath for something Im sure will never happen

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Postby Humes » March 3rd, 2011, 6:44 am

De Dragon wrote:"Reduce" and "solve" are two entirely different words you know. Nowhere did I say hanging will reduce crime. Jack/Subash like everyone else, are entitled to their opinion. Also in your last paragraph, are you saying that crime will always be, or are you actually contradicting yourself? :?


What I wrote is very clear. Focus on the subject of the sentence. "The whole issue".



"Reduce" and "solve" are two entirely different words you know.


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Postby UML » March 3rd, 2011, 7:04 am

Dirty Face wrote:UML I done, 16 cycles has shown me the light, my final comment to you is, if you so sure, I dare you to make that poll, and see what people have to say.. I await with baited breath for something Im sure will never happen


wah fish u going tuh cetch?!!! :lol: :lol:

btw I doh take bait.....how ironic!!! :lol: :lol:

8-)

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Postby RASC » March 3rd, 2011, 7:13 am

I do do not know, why you guys are even entertaining UML. He has clearly stated, in the other thread, that he does not support the bill. He made it very clear that any IHRC intervention would not have his support.

So right now, he's just having fun at your expense and heart rate. Leave him let him be. He has already proclaimed which side of the argument he is on and is just seeking to have some fun.

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Postby UML » March 3rd, 2011, 7:59 am

RASC wrote:I do do not know, why you guys are even entertaining UML. He has clearly stated, in the other thread, that he does not support the bill. He made it very clear that any IHRC intervention would not have his support.

So right now, he's just having fun at your expense and heart rate. Leave him let him be. He has already proclaimed which side of the argument he is on and is just seeking to have some fun.


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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby De Dragon » March 4th, 2011, 11:30 pm

Humes wrote:
De Dragon wrote:"Reduce" and "solve" are two entirely different words you know. Nowhere did I say hanging will reduce crime. Jack/Subash like everyone else, are entitled to their opinion. Also in your last paragraph, are you saying that crime will always be, or are you actually contradicting yourself? :?


What I wrote is very clear. Focus on the subject of the sentence. "The whole issue".



"Reduce" and "solve" are two entirely different words you know.


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Oooohh! Posting images to bolster your "clear" argument! :lol: Backpeddling from an opinion that I'd give anytime I choose :lol: Allyuh real kicksy in here yes! Go back to your English B (Basic) textbook and try to write a cogent sentence first.

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Postby UML » March 5th, 2011, 8:10 am

UML wrote:
Dirty Face wrote:UML I done, 16 cycles has shown me the light, my final comment to you is, if you so sure, I dare you to make that poll, and see what people have to say.. I await with baited breath for something Im sure will never happen


wah fish u going tuh cetch?!!! :lol: :lol:

btw I doh take bait.....how ironic!!! :lol: :lol:

8-)


Carite?!!!

:lol: :lol: :roll:

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby FrankChag » October 10th, 2022, 11:30 pm

Aaron 2NR wrote:this was an interesting article in today's guardian....

totally off the political argument but just facts we are facing....

Pathologist on low crime detection:
Sloppy work by cops is cause

Published: Wed, 2011-03-02 20:12
Geisha Kowlessar




Often homicide cases are “screwed up from the very beginning” due to sloppy work on the part of the police. According to forensic pathologist Dr Valery Alexandrov, who is assigned to the Forensic Science Centre, St James, because of shoddy work many cases have gone cold. Citing the death of eight-year-old Daniel Guerra as an example, Alexandrov, in an interview yesterday, said while the manner of death may have been determined, the circumstances surrounding it were yet to be decided which may result in the probe becoming cold.

He added: “An autopsy does not solve the crime. It is part of the investigation. The police are supposed to provide certain circumstantial evidence which will include details and photos of the crime scene to paint a more comprehensive picture. “In most cases when a body is brought in the police don’t even know the name of the victim. They would say, ‘we just escorting the body.’ But police work is not an escort service.” He said although he developed a special form to be filled out by police to provide circumstantial information before an autopsy, in most cases that too was ignored.

In Daniel’s case, he said, little or no circumstantial evidence was provided by the police. He added: “The boy’s autopsy will not solve the case. It is the police who have to do their work by properly gathering circumstantial evidence from the very beginning and if that’s not so it would mean the police are lazy. “That’s why we have a detection of rate of seven per cent at best, because from the very onset cases are screwed up by the police because there is no gathering of circumstantial evidence,” Alexandrov said.

The pathologist wondered whether photographs were taken of tyre marks, or of footprints, near the river where Daniel’s body was found. Officers from the Crime Scene Unit (CSU), Alexandrov contended, were not properly trained and they “don’t have a clue” about the gathering of forensic evidence. “In the United States there are medical investigators to gather forensic evidence. In Trinidad most of the police don’t know the difference between blood and decomposition fluid. “Some of the officers don’t know the difference between close and distant range or the different types of calibres,” he said. Alexandrov added that medical investigators work in tandem with the police and were specially trained to detect wounds, rigor mortis and other material relating to pathology.

“The police would then gather the physical evidence,”Alexandrov explained. Daniel went missing around midday two Fridays ago after leaving his Bedeau Street, Gasparillo, home to go to a nearby parlour. His body was found in a river off the Tarouba Link Road, San Fernando, two days later. Alexandrov assisted in the first autopsy which was conducted by pathologist by Dr Eastlyn Mc Donald Borris last Monday and which gave the cause of death as drowning. A second autopsy, conducted by Dr Hubert Daisley, another pathologist at the mortuary of the San Fernando General Hospital on Thursday, concluded the child was strangled. A third autopsy, done by United States forensic pathologist Professor James Gill, determined Daniel was murdered, giving “asphyxia consistent with homicide” as the cause. About Valery Alexandrov

Dr Valery Alexandrov was born in Russia in March 1947 and became an American citizen in 1994. In 2007 he served in T&T as a pathologist under the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), operating at the Forensic Science Centre, St James. He was subsequently invited back by T&T to work here. Prior to that, he worked in the state of Michigan in private practice as an independent forensic pathologist/consultant. Alexandrov has a wealth of experience, including working in several European countries, including Germany and Italy.

He is trained in pathology, forensic pathology, forensic issues in war crimes and torture investigations, forensic and somatic autopsies, anatomic pathology and toxicology. In 1987, Alexandrov was a member of the International Commission (USSR, Germany, Poland, and Sweden) investigating the mass executions of victims of Joseph Stalin’s purges and various other crimes against humanity. Daniel Guerra is just the latest young murder victim whose brutal end has prompted a national outpouring of grief and outrage. Some of the cases are still unsolved.

Here is a look back at some of those cases:

Sean Luke

Buggered to death: The body of little Sean Luke was found in a canefield near his home at Orange Valley, Couva, on March 28, 2006. The six-year-old, a United States citizen, would have felt no fear, smiling and laughing with the predator until he was stripped of his clothing and killed in a most agonising way. Pathologist Dr Eastlyn Mc Donald Burris found, during a preliminary examination, the killer inserted a sugarcane stalk into the boy’s rectum, and pushed it until it reached the child’s throat. His intestines were ruptured and other organs damaged.

He died from internal bleeding.

Akeel Mitchell, 17, and Richard Chatoo, 20, have been charged with the boy’s brutal murder. They were 13 and 16 when they were arrested.

Tecia Henry

Ten-year-old Tecia Henry went missing on June 12, 2009, and was found dead in a hole beneath a house in Plaisance Terrace, Laventille. Her partly decomposed corpse was found by a Cepep crew about four days after she went missing. An autopsy revealed the child was strangled. Reputed leader of Laventille’s Block Eight gang Ricardo “Docks” McCarthy, who was suspected of ordering the child’s murder, was discovered shot dead two weeks later. Henry, who lived on Essex Street, John John, with her mother, Diane Henry, and attended the St Rose’s Girls’ Primary School was sent to a nearby parlour but never returned home.

Hope Arismendez

The little girl’s battered and bruised body was found in a canefield in Petersfield, on the outskirts of Felicity, on May 29, 2008. Hope, eight, was raped, buggered and stabbed to death. Her semi-nude body was left on a dirt road in the canefield, which runs parallel to Pierre Road, Charlieville. Homicide detectives said there was a stab wound to the anus and a knife was recovered from the canefield. Hours before the victim was to be given her final farewell, her alleged killer Sunil Ali, 28, slashed both his wrists with a razor blade and hanged himself with a bedsheet in his prison cell at the Remand Yard, Golden Grove Prison, Arouca.

Inmates in cells nearby raised an alarm and Ali was found by prisons officers hanging from the ventilation blocks of his number seven cell, located at the Top Security Block on the eastern side of the Remand Yard.

Akiel Chambers

Akiel Chambers, 11, was found floating in a pool at the home of Charles and Annelore James at Haleland Park, Maraval, on May 24, 1998. No one saw Akiel get into the pool but when his body mysteriously surfaced the following day, he was wearing a man’s swimming trunks. An autopsy proved the boy was a victim of sexual assault.



i personally have never witnessed an investigation or what is done by our local police but it really does raise some eyebrows....what evidence do they collect? and now we see one of the major root causes of low detection is lack of training and expertise in the police service....
the bar needs to be raised within our law enforcement system. As far as i see, most of the officers on the roadways are not even aware of the road laws and make up anything they think of to charge people...



10 years later.. literally nothing has improved wrt crime.
No ballistics. No DNA testing. Murderers on bail.

CSI might as well stand for Cyah Seriously Investigate.


Source for the above: https://www.guardian.co.tt/article-6.2. ... aba36020c6

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Re: Hanging Bill Defeated

Postby MaxPower » October 11th, 2022, 12:05 am

Yeh but so long now we know the cops sloppy.

Is Trinis we have “protecting” us so what allyuh expect.

We need foreign assistance.

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