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d spike wrote:I'm sorry to say that the rationale for learning literature has been lost on some. Deciding for yourself (as a student) what is relevant to your situation is the same as my children deciding what they will eat... All athletes (no matter how great they are) have coaches. If they are so good at what they do, why can't they train themselves? Surely, they would know by now what they need to focus on and how to do it.
Classics have survived the test of time, and great men all agree that such literature/music/paintings deserve to be considered among the best that Man can produce... then along comes some young greenhorn, who decides such are not worthy of his (self)esteemed perusal...
Son, you have it wrong. These classics have weathered time, changes in culture, idiom, language even... and are still considered great. You aren't judging them - they are judging you. A lack of refinement, poor taste, an inability to cope with superior quality material, a poor grasp of language... all these are exposed by the mediocre pupil who casts aside the classics - and always with the same lame excuses: not relevant to one's idiom, culture, time or background. That's why they are considered classics - their quality transcends all these.
Yes, their themes are still quite relevant, as the human condition hasn't changed. The mere fact that you have spurned this means you have no idea what that means.
Dialect isn't "bad" English, it is actually an idiom all it's own, built on (but not consisting solely of) English vocabulary and Patois grammar - and as its usage changes, so does the idiom itself. However, language is used to communicate. If you wish to communicate with English-speaking people, then you need to speak the lingo. There is nothing wrong with being proud of one's history and culture, but isolationism is self-destructive in today's society of a 'global village'.
In other words, stop smelling yuhself.
geodude wrote:wha u say dey speak trini nah boi
d spike wrote:geodude wrote:wha u say dey speak trini nah boi
Did you know that for many years Trinidad was the epitome of good English and manners among the Commonwealth countries in the western hemisphere? Sadly, you make it all too obvious that this had to have been long before your time. Juveniles like yourself talk about being proud of your country and its rich history - yet you have no idea of what Trinidad was like before the 70's.
In the best Trinidadian tradition, I am speaking 'Trini' - the type that's spoken above the gutter.
devrat wrote:d spike wrote:geodude wrote:wha u say dey speak trini nah boi
Did you know that for many years Trinidad was the epitome of good English and manners among the Commonwealth countries in the western hemisphere? Sadly, you make it all too obvious that this had to have been long before your time. Juveniles like yourself talk about being proud of your country and its rich history - yet you have no idea of what Trinidad was like before the 70's.
In the best Trinidadian tradition, I am speaking 'Trini' - the type that's spoken above the gutter.
Now the younger ones believe that speaking proper English can only be done with an American accent
devrat wrote:d spike wrote:geodude wrote:wha u say dey speak trini nah boi
Did you know that for many years Trinidad was the epitome of good English and manners among the Commonwealth countries in the western hemisphere? Sadly, you make it all too obvious that this had to have been long before your time. Juveniles like yourself talk about being proud of your country and its rich history - yet you have no idea of what Trinidad was like before the 70's.
In the best Trinidadian tradition, I am speaking 'Trini' - the type that's spoken above the gutter.
Now the younger ones believe that speaking proper English can only be done with an American accent
d spike wrote:devrat wrote:d spike wrote:geodude wrote:wha u say dey speak trini nah boi
Did you know that for many years Trinidad was the epitome of good English and manners among the Commonwealth countries in the western hemisphere? Sadly, you make it all too obvious that this had to have been long before your time. Juveniles like yourself talk about being proud of your country and its rich history - yet you have no idea of what Trinidad was like before the 70's.
In the best Trinidadian tradition, I am speaking 'Trini' - the type that's spoken above the gutter.
Now the younger ones believe that speaking proper English can only be done with an American accent
Well, that's not so different from the belief held by the twits of the previous generation - that speaking proper English can only be done with a British accent.![]()
(The more things change, the more they stay the same...)
Oleander wrote:Now the younger ones believe that speaking proper English can only be done with an American accent
Ok I am not the only one who noticed that.
geodude wrote:i see that when this thread started it was about bad english and not trini english, however it has now becoem a discussion on trini slang, so i say
fack all ah allu, i iz ah trini and thiz iz ah trini site so i going and talk how i feels too , what the arse wrong with allu, stop emulating white ppl and embrace your nationality, american english deviates from true english and yet because of their aggorant nature to everything it is actually recoginised as another languge, but as usual we need to do what the white masters tell we do do so long ago and if we dare deviate from these preset ideas we own ppl does wha kick we arse, trini language is such a unique creation of numerous cultures, peoples and influences and yet many ppl run around trying their best to speak "proper" cause if they didn they might be seen as a normal person. one set ah bullsheit. not just 3ne2ner have 'bad english' its the entire internet,
if allu old ppl too stush or lame to keep up with the younger generation then too bad, language like culture is dynamic not static it evolves as society changes, either accept it , and adapt of stfu and get off the net.
an guess wha i can spell to save meh life and i doh care, i am actually proud of being able to reach where i am without putting in the time and effort to actually learn to spell ,
sMASH wrote:Oleander wrote:Now the younger ones believe that speaking proper English can only be done with an American accent
Ok I am not the only one who noticed that.
fleckin disney and nick to thank for that.
many older persons, 50 and over, usually speak with good grammar, come to think of it. with the fast paced fete lifestyle, trinidadians have melded into the present tense westernized culture.
d spike wrote:I'm sorry to say that the rationale for learning literature has been lost on some. Deciding for yourself (as a student) what is relevant to your situation is the same as my children deciding what they will eat... All athletes (no matter how great they are) have coaches. If they are so good at what they do, why can't they train themselves? Surely, they would know by now what they need to focus on and how to do it.
Classics have survived the test of time, and great men all agree that such literature/music/paintings deserve to be considered among the best that Man can produce... then along comes some young greenhorn, who decides such are not worthy of his (self)esteemed perusal...
Son, you have it wrong. These classics have weathered time, changes in culture, idiom, language even... and are still considered great. You aren't judging them - they are judging you. A lack of refinement, poor taste, an inability to cope with superior quality material, a poor grasp of language... all these are exposed by the mediocre pupil who casts aside the classics - and always with the same lame excuses: not relevant to one's idiom, culture, time or background. That's why they are considered classics - their quality transcends all these.
Yes, their themes are still quite relevant, as the human condition hasn't changed. The mere fact that you have spurned this means you have no idea what that means.
Dialect isn't "bad" English, it is actually an idiom all it's own, built on (but not consisting solely of) English vocabulary and Patois grammar - and as its usage changes, so does the idiom itself. However, language is used to communicate. If you wish to communicate with English-speaking people, then you need to speak the lingo. There is nothing wrong with being proud of one's history and culture, but isolationism is self-destructive in today's society of a 'global village'.
In other words, stop smelling yuhself.
AbstractPoetic wrote:d spike wrote:I'm sorry to say that the rationale for learning literature has been lost on some. Deciding for yourself (as a student) what is relevant to your situation is the same as my children deciding what they will eat... All athletes (no matter how great they are) have coaches. If they are so good at what they do, why can't they train themselves? Surely, they would know by now what they need to focus on and how to do it.
Classics have survived the test of time, and great men all agree that such literature/music/paintings deserve to be considered among the best that Man can produce... then along comes some young greenhorn, who decides such are not worthy of his (self)esteemed perusal...
Son, you have it wrong. These classics have weathered time, changes in culture, idiom, language even... and are still considered great. You aren't judging them - they are judging you. A lack of refinement, poor taste, an inability to cope with superior quality material, a poor grasp of language... all these are exposed by the mediocre pupil who casts aside the classics - and always with the same lame excuses: not relevant to one's idiom, culture, time or background. That's why they are considered classics - their quality transcends all these.
Yes, their themes are still quite relevant, as the human condition hasn't changed. The mere fact that you have spurned this means you have no idea what that means.
Dialect isn't "bad" English, it is actually an idiom all it's own, built on (but not consisting solely of) English vocabulary and Patois grammar - and as its usage changes, so does the idiom itself. However, language is used to communicate. If you wish to communicate with English-speaking people, then you need to speak the lingo. There is nothing wrong with being proud of one's history and culture, but isolationism is self-destructive in today's society of a 'global village'.
In other words, stop smelling yuhself.
Very well said, especially the bolded.
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