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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Habit7 » February 28th, 2024, 4:39 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:This started recirculating on social media

Story on John O’Halloran
117b7fd6-e354-4ece-a85c-8ffbb93a1e81.jpeg

If this is the closest reference for PNM corruption when the state just won a billion dollar from Piarco corruption, a UNC MP on bail for fraud and another’s trial for bid rigging just got a judgement to proceed. It is totally irrelevant. O’Hallaron is dead, however the politicians just like him are trying to get into power. That is what is relevant to me. If any PNM MP in that same position tell me, but I am hearing about O Hallaron since I small.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » February 28th, 2024, 8:18 pm

Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:This started recirculating on social media

Story on John O’Halloran
117b7fd6-e354-4ece-a85c-8ffbb93a1e81.jpeg

If this is the closest reference for PNM corruption when the state just won a billion dollar from Piarco corruption, a UNC MP on bail for fraud and another’s trial for bid rigging just got a judgement to proceed. It is totally irrelevant. O’Hallaron is dead, however the politicians just like him are trying to get into power. That is what is relevant to me. If any PNM MP in that same position tell me, but I am hearing about O Hallaron since I small.

Ask Rowley about Caulder Hart and why he fire marlene 3x

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Habit7 » February 29th, 2024, 8:36 am

Mmoney607 wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:This started recirculating on social media

Story on John O’Halloran
117b7fd6-e354-4ece-a85c-8ffbb93a1e81.jpeg

If this is the closest reference for PNM corruption when the state just won a billion dollar from Piarco corruption, a UNC MP on bail for fraud and another’s trial for bid rigging just got a judgement to proceed. It is totally irrelevant. O’Hallaron is dead, however the politicians just like him are trying to get into power. That is what is relevant to me. If any PNM MP in that same position tell me, but I am hearing about O Hallaron since I small.

Ask Rowley about Caulder Hart and why he fire marlene 3x

Well both are stemming out of issues from the 2001-2010 admin. You making my point. Why are referring old corruption issues with dead ppl when we have issues with ppl in parliament today?

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » February 29th, 2024, 3:49 pm

Habit7 wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:This started recirculating on social media

Story on John O’Halloran
117b7fd6-e354-4ece-a85c-8ffbb93a1e81.jpeg

If this is the closest reference for PNM corruption when the state just won a billion dollar from Piarco corruption, a UNC MP on bail for fraud and another’s trial for bid rigging just got a judgement to proceed. It is totally irrelevant. O’Hallaron is dead, however the politicians just like him are trying to get into power. That is what is relevant to me. If any PNM MP in that same position tell me, but I am hearing about O Hallaron since I small.

Ask Rowley about Caulder Hart and why he fire marlene 3x

Well both are stemming out of issues from the 2001-2010 admin. You making my point. Why are referring old corruption issues with dead ppl when we have issues with ppl in parliament today?

Marlene was charged while she was a minister in the Rowley cabinet

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Habit7 » February 29th, 2024, 6:54 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:This started recirculating on social media

Story on John O’Halloran
117b7fd6-e354-4ece-a85c-8ffbb93a1e81.jpeg

If this is the closest reference for PNM corruption when the state just won a billion dollar from Piarco corruption, a UNC MP on bail for fraud and another’s trial for bid rigging just got a judgement to proceed. It is totally irrelevant. O’Hallaron is dead, however the politicians just like him are trying to get into power. That is what is relevant to me. If any PNM MP in that same position tell me, but I am hearing about O Hallaron since I small.

Ask Rowley about Caulder Hart and why he fire marlene 3x

Well both are stemming out of issues from the 2001-2010 admin. You making my point. Why are referring old corruption issues with dead ppl when we have issues with ppl in parliament today?

Marlene was charged while she was a minister in the Rowley cabinet

Marlene is as dead as O Hallaron.
She was cleared by the Integrity Commission but when the DPP charged her she was fired.
It was for actions in the 2001-2010 admin.

The current Opposition chief whip is on bail after being charged for fraud. Why are we talking about dead ppl?

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby paid_influencer » February 29th, 2024, 6:56 pm

Habit7 wrote:The current Opposition chief whip is on bail after being charged for fraud.


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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » February 29th, 2024, 6:58 pm

Habit7 wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:This started recirculating on social media

Story on John O’Halloran
117b7fd6-e354-4ece-a85c-8ffbb93a1e81.jpeg

If this is the closest reference for PNM corruption when the state just won a billion dollar from Piarco corruption, a UNC MP on bail for fraud and another’s trial for bid rigging just got a judgement to proceed. It is totally irrelevant. O’Hallaron is dead, however the politicians just like him are trying to get into power. That is what is relevant to me. If any PNM MP in that same position tell me, but I am hearing about O Hallaron since I small.

Ask Rowley about Caulder Hart and why he fire marlene 3x

Well both are stemming out of issues from the 2001-2010 admin. You making my point. Why are referring old corruption issues with dead ppl when we have issues with ppl in parliament today?

Marlene was charged while she was a minister in the Rowley cabinet

Marlene is as dead as O Hallaron.
She was cleared by the Integrity Commission but when the DPP charged her she was fired.
It was for actions in the 2001-2010 admin.

The current Opposition chief whip is on bail after being charged for fraud. Why are we talking about dead ppl?

So because David Lee get charged that mean pnm was never corrupt?

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » February 29th, 2024, 6:59 pm

Is it true that Erica Williams had offer to lend the country money?

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Gladiator » March 3rd, 2024, 11:05 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:Is it true that Erica Williams had offer to lend the country money?


2 Billion if I recall... and she never worked a day in her life

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby The_Honourable » March 4th, 2024, 1:04 am

Gladiator wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:Is it true that Erica Williams had offer to lend the country money?


2 Billion if I recall... and she never worked a day in her life


lol nah... rumshop talk

unless marcia braveboy is allyuh source

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Habit7 » March 4th, 2024, 10:05 am

The_Honourable wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:Is it true that Erica Williams had offer to lend the country money?


2 Billion if I recall... and she never worked a day in her life


lol nah... rumshop talk

unless marcia braveboy is allyuh source

I don’t even bother to respond.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » March 4th, 2024, 10:19 am

The_Honourable wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:Is it true that Erica Williams had offer to lend the country money?


2 Billion if I recall... and she never worked a day in her life


lol nah... rumshop talk

unless marcia braveboy is allyuh source

Where it have smoke it must have fire, that couldn't come out of nowhere

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby The_Honourable » March 4th, 2024, 10:27 am

Mmoney607 wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:Is it true that Erica Williams had offer to lend the country money?


2 Billion if I recall... and she never worked a day in her life


lol nah... rumshop talk

unless marcia braveboy is allyuh source

Where it have smoke it must have fire, that couldn't come out of nowhere


So smoke and fire when a viral social media post say that roodal moonilal is one of the richest men in T&T with 3.5 billion?

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » March 4th, 2024, 11:56 am

The_Honourable wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:Is it true that Erica Williams had offer to lend the country money?


2 Billion if I recall... and she never worked a day in her life


lol nah... rumshop talk

unless marcia braveboy is allyuh source

Where it have smoke it must have fire, that couldn't come out of nowhere


So smoke and fire when a viral social media post say that roodal moonilal is one of the richest men in T&T with 3.5 billion?

Well moonilal in civil court for thiefing so that's the fire

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby death365 » March 4th, 2024, 11:58 am

the other doc- the non ded 1 now say ..


"there's too much dotishness in the public domain"


de man now say tha... Mr. fake emails saying that !!!!

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby 16 cycles » March 4th, 2024, 5:29 pm

Head os SSA sent on admin leave?

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby pugboy » March 4th, 2024, 6:13 pm

and a complete shutdown audit scenes a la FUL dept

best they hire back reshmi

16 cycles wrote:Head os SSA sent on admin leave?

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Gladiator » March 4th, 2024, 9:18 pm

The_Honourable wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:Is it true that Erica Williams had offer to lend the country money?


2 Billion if I recall... and she never worked a day in her life


lol nah... rumshop talk

unless marcia braveboy is allyuh source


This was in the Guardian around 15-18 years ago. The woman's net worth is well over 2 Billion Pounds and she offered us a loan during the recession around 2008.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Habit7 » March 5th, 2024, 12:36 am

Gladiator wrote:This was in the Guardian around 15-18 years ago. The woman's net worth is well over 2 Billion Pounds and she offered us a loan during the recession around 2008.

So her net worth is in British Pounds even though she lives in Florida?

What recession in 2008? Our GDP growth was 3.3% in 2008 coming from high of 14.2% in 2006. There was rough patch in 2009 because the US was in recession but 2010 was 3.5%. Plus we had about US$3B in the HSF in 2008. Why would we take a loan from an individual when we had an A credit rating, banks would be begging us to borrow.

We are not teenagers, we were all around in 2008, that never happened.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby 16 cycles » March 5th, 2024, 6:22 am

Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley says the decision to remove Major Roger Best as head of the Strategic Services Agency (SSA) was based on troubling information provided to the National Security Council (NSC) by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS).

The information, he said, warranted drastic intervention.


https://guardian.co.tt/news/rowley-on-s ... c5e85a0a31

pugboy wrote:and a complete shutdown audit scenes a la FUL dept

best they hire back reshmi

16 cycles wrote:Head os SSA sent on admin leave?

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby maj. tom » March 5th, 2024, 8:26 am

The_Honourable wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:Is it true that Erica Williams had offer to lend the country money?


2 Billion if I recall... and she never worked a day in her life


lol nah... rumshop talk

unless marcia braveboy is allyuh source

Where it have smoke it must have fire, that couldn't come out of nowhere


So smoke and fire when a viral social media post say that roodal moonilal is one of the richest men in T&T with 3.5 billion?


https://www.facebook.com/braveboyreport/posts/pnms-erica-williams-once-noted-the-worlds-5th-richest-woman-never-worked-a-day-i/2266470500283011/

Image


Quite a claim. Nowhere to be found on the Forbes list though, so I dunno who once noted it.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » March 5th, 2024, 1:33 pm

Habit7 wrote:
Gladiator wrote:This was in the Guardian around 15-18 years ago. The woman's net worth is well over 2 Billion Pounds and she offered us a loan during the recession around 2008.

So her net worth is in British Pounds even though she lives in Florida?

What recession in 2008? Our GDP growth was 3.3% in 2008 coming from high of 14.2% in 2006. There was rough patch in 2009 because the US was in recession but 2010 was 3.5%. Plus we had about US$3B in the HSF in 2008. Why would we take a loan from an individual when we had an A credit rating, banks would be begging us to borrow.

We are not teenagers, we were all around in 2008, that never happened.

Tbh, I heard it was in Robinson days that she made the offer

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » March 5th, 2024, 1:36 pm

16 cycles wrote:
Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley says the decision to remove Major Roger Best as head of the Strategic Services Agency (SSA) was based on troubling information provided to the National Security Council (NSC) by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS).

The information, he said, warranted drastic intervention.


https://guardian.co.tt/news/rowley-on-s ... c5e85a0a31

pugboy wrote:and a complete shutdown audit scenes a la FUL dept

best they hire back reshmi

16 cycles wrote:Head os SSA sent on admin leave?

It's amazing that he has police that report to him personally but those same police have no idea when drugs and guns coming in

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Habit7 » March 5th, 2024, 1:36 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
Gladiator wrote:This was in the Guardian around 15-18 years ago. The woman's net worth is well over 2 Billion Pounds and she offered us a loan during the recession around 2008.

So her net worth is in British Pounds even though she lives in Florida?

What recession in 2008? Our GDP growth was 3.3% in 2008 coming from high of 14.2% in 2006. There was rough patch in 2009 because the US was in recession but 2010 was 3.5%. Plus we had about US$3B in the HSF in 2008. Why would we take a loan from an individual when we had an A credit rating, banks would be begging us to borrow.

We are not teenagers, we were all around in 2008, that never happened.

Tbh, I heard it was in Robinson days that she made the offer

Is that your final offer? Because another man heard she offered it after the Water Riots and the Red House burned down.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » March 5th, 2024, 1:54 pm

So where all them billions from Eric days went, how as soon as the pnm leave office for the first time the country was broken and Robinson had to introduce vat

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Postby Mmoney607 » March 5th, 2024, 2:21 pm

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The future of the nation is in safe hands :P

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Habit7 » March 5th, 2024, 3:59 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:So where all them billions from Eric days went, how as soon as the pnm leave office for the first time the country was broken and Robinson had to introduce vat

In the late 1970's there was an oil crisis as a result of Iran dropping production. T&T since the early 1970s was ramping up production and was able to benefit from the crisis thereby increasing revenues from expensive oil and that was our only oil boom. However, as the situation normalised and global production went up, T&T production started to fall and never recovered since. Dr. Williams died in 1981, Chambers became PM. Oil prices fell in 1982 and T&T suffered falling revenues which continued after Robinson became PM in 1986.

So much like the lies about the Erica comment, the country got broke long before PNM left office. The billions were invested in the Twin Towers, Mt Hope Hospital, highways, schools and yes corruption. But corruption is not as easy as taking funds from govt accounts and placing them in your own. That can be easily traced. You will need a vehicle like a service or product to mask it. Unless somebody can show what product or service Erica performed for T&T to receive money, they are talking nonsense. Who knows if she benefited from her father's corruption, but I have no evidence that she lent T&T any money.

You all are more concerned about dead and forgotten ppl's corruption than the current parliamentarians who are trying to return tief again.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby wing » March 6th, 2024, 7:51 pm

Express to pay $.5m to Imbert for defamation

FINANCE Minister Colm Imbert has been successful in a defamation claim against the Trinidad Express newspaper.

He will receive $550,000 in damages from the newspaper.

Justice Ricky Rahim made the order on March 6, after finding the paper was reckless when it published a story on November 6, 2016.

The Sunday Express article concerned payments by the Housing Development Company for consultancy services to Bolt Trinidad, a company owned by Imbert’s wife.

Imbert sued the Trinidad Express and its reporter Renuka Singh.

In his ruling, Rahim said, “The court is of the view that at the lowest, the defendants were reckless as to whether the information provided by the source was true in relation to the specific allegation against the claimant, that they had the opportunity to confirm and verify the facts but chose so not to do so that they could publish the article to the Sunday readership which would ordinarily carry an increased economic benefit to the paper. Such actions are inimical to the common good in a democratic society and goes against the grain of fairness.

“It evokes a sense of public outrage in the mind of the reasonable and law-abiding person.”

Rahim said from the evidence, Singh did not receive any supporting documents, did not seek comment from Imbert, failed to verify the information from her source and intentionally gave insufficient time to the HDC to respond to the allegation.

He also found the reporter omitted the gravamen of the allegation in her inquiry of the HDC and “rushed to publication without awaiting the promised response within a reasonable time.”

He added, “The actions of the defendants were in the court’s view at the highest, high-handed and intentional.

“In that regard, the court has drawn the inference that they were bent on embarrassing the claimant regardless of where the truth lay.

“The actions of the defendants may, therefore, be viewed as calculating and deceptive.

“This deception even found its way into the evidence given by the defendants…on the existence of relevant documents, texts and e-mails, appeared to the court to be made up for the purpose of defending the case."

Rahim also noted the article set out what were “clearly untruths” relating to Imbert.

He was also critical of the front-page photograph of the Imberts used for the story.

“The imagery would have connected the dots in the mind of the reader once the article was read.

“The combination of headlines, photos and the article was saying, 'Look here, the husband of the lady who owns Bolt'…”

He added, “In that regard, the article takes the proverbial horse (the reader) to the trough and bends his head so that lips touch the water as if it were leaving only the act of drinking up to the reader.

“Objectively, such an assertion was bound to lower the claimant in the estimation of right-thinking members of society generally.

“The public expects that political office-holders, who are entrusted with the care and control of the patrimony of the nation and who are democratically elected, would at all times do that which is in the beneficial interest of the public they serve and in so doing be fair and just.

“In this case, the contents of the article had suggested just the opposite.

“In that regard, context is of extreme importance.”

Rahim said the allegation against the minister was “damning and a serious one and was bound to affect the minister. "

“The words complained of are specific and all reasonably convey one meaning pointing in one direction… This of course was the raison d’etre of the article published on a Sunday when Trinidadians sit with their morning doubles and coffee and read cover to cover.

“The article existed because of the statements of untruth and the connection with the claimant, otherwise it would not be a ‘story’ capable of adorning the Sunday paper.

“There is no gainsaying that freedom of expression and freedom of the press (and the concomitant right of the public to know which these freedoms support) are important pillars of democracy.

“For our democratic societies to function properly, we require strong and independent news media that report fearlessly (but not irresponsibly) on matters of genuine public interest.

He also said while issues raised in the article passed the test of the public’s right to know, the added information concerning Imbert, as the finance minister, regarding the payments to his wife’s company by the state agency “was not justified.”

“The view of the court even allowing for editorial judgment the inclusion of the information was not justified.

“This is so having regard to the clear admission of Singh who knew that she had no information that the claimant was directly involved…

“The court therefore finds that the general message could have been conveyed in the article without recourse to the unconfirmed information in relation to the claimant.”

He added, "The more serious the charge, the more the public is misinformed and the individual harmed. This is the case here because the allegation was proven to be untrue.

“Responsible journalism would therefore have demanded that the foundation of the allegation, namely the documents, would be kept well secured and not in a desk that allegedly disappeared.”

He doubted the documents existed.

“The court has been greatly disturbed by the absence of those documents and finds that the non-production and the circumstances of the explanation for the same leaves it with grave doubt as to whether the documents in fact existed...

“Far from meeting the standard of responsible journalism, therefore, the court finds that the approach adopted by the defendants appeared to carry with it an improper motive to put it mildly.”

Imbert testified at the trial, as well as Singh and the newspaper’s editor-in-chief Omatie Lyder.

Imbert was represented by Michael Quamina, SC. Farees Hosein represented the Trinidad Express and Singh.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby wing » March 6th, 2024, 7:53 pm

Apparently the judge is a PNM? If it was the other one, would Imbert have won? He could donate some winnings to cro cro.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby matr1x » March 6th, 2024, 8:32 pm

Apparently justice is bought and paid for

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