*** The official car accident thread***

[maj. tom]

that stretch (full of bumps and potholes) and the widened road a little further down does give plenty drivers the need for speed feelings.

[Kronik]

that stretch (full of bumps and potholes) and the widened road a little further down does give plenty drivers the need for speed feelings.

Great is the PNM for fixing the roads!!

[bluefete]

The motorcycle man was weaving on both sides of the road.

But who was wrong in this accident?. The car was already crossing the road.

[elec2020]

Weaving is a bit excessive. Also the weaving did not play a factor in the accident. The bike men (both ran into the car) were in their lane at the point in time of the accident. They had the right of way. The car man was coming from a minor (from what appears to be thr rightmost lane). He did not blow or proceed with caution despite hearing the obvious sounds of nearby motorcycles. Imo the car man is totally wrong and these unscrupulous reckless minor road merging jackasses need to be persued to the fullest extent of the law. You merging onto a main road (not even on the left land but on the right lane too boot) take your time pal. I would love to know if my view is in fact correct or if car man somehow is in the right.

[elec2020]

Rewatching the video the car man also did not come to a complete stop before trying to merge onto the main road. Correct me if i am wrong but u supposed to do that ain't?

[De Dragon]

Car man wrong to merge without properly checking for oncoming vehicles.

[Dave]

What about the speed of the bikes?
If speed limits were observed, adequate time could have been had to make the necessary defensive tactics?

[elec2020]

Without a speedometer recording the speed of the bikes at the point (or justabouts) of impact a claim that the bikes were speeding here is a guesstimate. Additionaly, why should the bikes have to engage defensive tactics when they have the right of way. That is i am allowed to move freely in my direction. Nothing is supposed to encumber my forward transition. Further, as noted earlier, the car man did not even come to a complete stop before merging onto the major road. Isn't that a violation in the road traffic act.

[kamakazi]

So it appears that the accident happened after they passed the Las Cuevas main.beach entrance(on the left). If I'm not mistaken there is a bit of a hill to climb after

Unfortunately, the driver of that car is at fault. It wasn't helped by the fact that the corner was blind and the motorcycles started to accelerate for the unwinding bit of road that follows

Edit:The car man was probably at a complete stop and started to move when it was safe, a situation that changed quite suddenly the next second

Haven't listened to the audio so have no idea if anyone sounded a horn

[Dizzy28]

Without a speedometer recording the speed of the bikes at the point (or justabouts) of impact a claim that the bikes were speeding here is a guesstimate. Additionaly, why should the bikes have to engage defensive tactics when they have the right of way. That is i am allowed to move freely in my direction. Nothing is supposed to encumber my forward transition. Further, as noted earlier, the car man did not even come to a complete stop before merging onto the major road. Isn't that a violation in the road traffic act.

I take it you never did any defensive driving course?

[kamakazi]

Why you ask; cause your feet are the fenders when you riding a motorcycle. Your have more to lose on two wheels than on four

Without a speedometer recording the speed of the bikes at the point (or justabouts) of impact a claim that the bikes were speeding here is a guesstimate. Additionaly, why should the bikes have to engage defensive tactics when they have the right of way. That is i am allowed to move freely in my direction. Nothing is supposed to encumber my forward transition. Further, as noted earlier, the car man did not even come to a complete stop before merging onto the major road. Isn't that a violation in the road traffic act.

[elec2020]

^ i have watched a few. And i know i am being aggressive. I am just fed up off seeing and experiencing individuals merging from minor to major roads irresponsibly. I find too much that when that happens the discussion turns to the driver on the main road having the onus to implement defensive tactics to avoid an accident. When imo their wouldn't even be a discussion if the person onnthe minor did the proper thing and wait until it was safe/clear to proceed. How much times in a given day do you find yourself having to mash a sudden brakes or pull to the side to avoid someone who irresponsibly merging onto your path? I experienced that three times in port of spain this morning.

[elec2020]

Why you ask; cause your feet are the fenders when you riding a motorcycle. Your have more to lose on two wheels than on four

Without a speedometer recording the speed of the bikes at the point (or justabouts) of impact a claim that the bikes were speeding here is a guesstimate. Additionaly, why should the bikes have to engage defensive tactics when they have the right of way. That is i am allowed to move freely in my direction. Nothing is supposed to encumber my forward transition. Further, as noted earlier, the car man did not even come to a complete stop before merging onto the major road. Isn't that a violation in the road traffic act.

I understand that the bike men have more to lose in these kind of accidents. My irk is with junction accidents and that someone (mainly the merging party or overtaking party) irresponsibility causes an entirely avoidable situation. All they have to do is be patient. But time and time again the discussion turns to the onus of responsibility being on the driver with the right of way not the driver that in the way.

[pugboy]

Car is obviously wrong but the bikes doing numbers you can just see the lampposts flying by.
I can guarantee them bikemen not riding like that again.

[maj. tom]

Bike men... that's the price you have to pay unfortunately. The risk of being right or wrong usually means much worse than anyone inside a car. Speed was definitely a factor, and the car really did look like it had stopped... but then did he check for traffic and did he hear the bike loud engines before he proceeded? It happened so fast i don't think anybody watching that video can tell.

I believe a lot of bike men give it up after a while because the risk not worth it.

[MG Man]

Without a speedometer recording the speed of the bikes at the point (or justabouts) of impact a claim that the bikes were speeding here is a guesstimate. Additionaly, why should the bikes have to engage defensive tactics when they have the right of way. That is i am allowed to move freely in my direction. Nothing is supposed to encumber my forward transition. Further, as noted earlier, the car man did not even come to a complete stop before merging onto the major road. Isn't that a violation in the road traffic act.

I take it you never did any defensive driving course?

The assumption of 'right of way' leads to so many crashes
Right of way must be given to you...if it's not, what you gonna do, argue from a coffin?
I am willing to bet the driver of the car looked 'left right left' before prcoeeding
This is a HUGE problem with local drivers. We are taught as kids to look 'left right left;' when crossing the road, which is grossly incorrect. I've observedd it many times when approaching junctions. The driver looks left, looks right, thinks it's clear, then looks left again as he begins to move, basically turning his view away from the approaching traffic
Try it and see....it's scary how commmon that practice is

[fireworks]

So yes the car man wrong but only by technicalities he will be forced to pay for peter and Paul wrecked bikes. But if peter and Paul did observe proper road rules and not speeding, recklessly passing everything they met on the road and using the white line as their personal bike lane the accident would not have happened. Car man should sue them fellas after his insurance pay out. Car have to fix too....

^ i have watched a few. And i know i am being aggressive. I am just fed up off seeing and experiencing individuals merging from minor to major roads irresponsibly. I find too much that when that happens the discussion turns to the driver on the main road having the onus to implement defensive tactics to avoid an accident. When imo their wouldn't even be a discussion if the person onnthe minor did the proper thing and wait until it was safe/clear to proceed. How much times in a given day do you find yourself having to mash a sudden brakes or pull to the side to avoid someone who irresponsibly merging onto your path? I experienced that three times in port of spain this morning.

[kamakazi]

Bike men... that's the price you have to pay unfortunately. The risk of being right or wrong usually means much worse than anyone inside a car. Speed was definitely a factor, and the car really did look like it had stopped... but then did he check for traffic and did he hear the bike loud engines before he proceeded? It happened so fast i don't think anybody watching that video can tell.

I believe a lot of bike men give it up after a while because the risk not worth it.

Bikes are pretty quiet unless the muffler is modded or it is a race bike for the road.
It looks like a Hayabusa... and factory exhaust system is pretty quiet.

[pugboy]

They accelerated around the bend just before the car, you can hear it.

[kamakazi]

my apologies...watching vid without audio

[rebound]

Correct, thats why I installed an insanely loud exhaust in my bike... But bikers must always ride as if they are invisble to others.

Its very difficult for a car driver to guage your speed due to the size of the bike, and well, the speeds a bike is capable of.

IMO the lead in the white Busa was riding responsibly and leading the pack well but, it was impossible for the car driver to avoid them considering the minor road was just after the corner and the tall grass on the side of was impeding foresight for the riders.

Bike men... that's the price you have to pay unfortunately. The risk of being right or wrong usually means much worse than anyone inside a car. Speed was definitely a factor, and the car really did look like it had stopped... but then did he check for traffic and did he hear the bike loud engines before he proceeded? It happened so fast i don't think anybody watching that video can tell.

I believe a lot of bike men give it up after a while because the risk not worth it.

Bikes are pretty quiet unless the muffler is modded or it is a race bike for the road.
It looks like a Hayabusa... and factory exhaust system is pretty quiet.

[antlind]

Ouch. Were the bike men ok? The first rider took a pretty hard tumble.
What is needed is a sign to indicates there is an intersection after the corner. With that sign in place drivers would at least be aware to watch for merging traffic.
Hope everyone is ok.

[Dizzy28]

Without a speedometer recording the speed of the bikes at the point (or justabouts) of impact a claim that the bikes were speeding here is a guesstimate. Additionaly, why should the bikes have to engage defensive tactics when they have the right of way. That is i am allowed to move freely in my direction. Nothing is supposed to encumber my forward transition. Further, as noted earlier, the car man did not even come to a complete stop before merging onto the major road. Isn't that a violation in the road traffic act.

I take it you never did any defensive driving course?

The assumption of 'right of way' leads to so many crashes
Right of way must be given to you...if it's not, what you gonna do, argue from a coffin?
I am willing to bet the driver of the car looked 'left right left' before prcoeeding
This is a HUGE problem with local drivers. We are taught as kids to look 'left right left;' when crossing the road, which is grossly incorrect. I've observedd it many times when approaching junctions. The driver looks left, looks right, thinks it's clear, then looks left again as he begins to move, basically turning his view away from the approaching traffic
Try it and see....it's scary how commmon that practice is

CS/ Back in 2013 I was heading up Pasea Main Road. For those that know it, its fairly straight and you can see a fair way up. I saw a Hilux man coming down and continuously rushing everyone on my left lane as the right lane usually is the one everyone parks one (if heading north). In the vicinity of Ace Printery I decided to exercise my RoW and hilux man still rushed anyhows. Needless to say it didn't end well for my little Lancer.

Didn't have use of my car of three weeks, had some back and forth meetings and many phone calls with two separate insurance companies to get excess waived. In the end I got a check for $500 for all my troubles (loss of use) and my car fixed in full for free.

I had RoW so eventually I got my vehicle fixed at the other party's insurance expense. However I lost time, faced inconvenience running b/t Colfire and Tatil and made my pops lose out on use of his vehicle for 3 weeks (he insisted I take his car for that time)

Right of Way schmite of way!!!!

[elec2020]

^ yeah i experienced something similar a few years ago where i had right of way but jackass didn't business. Right of way only does not protect you from the headache of repairs, insurance company, parts (took me almost 3 months to get the part i needed after that accident) and loss of use. I just find that these people who violate right of way don't get punished enough to prevent it from happening. And generally speaking when the accident occurs people blame the accidentee (the person who was forced into the accident) for not avoiding or stopping for the accidenter (the person whose actions caused the accident). I don't like that narrative of wrongfully shifting blame.

[rebound]

Ah wonder how much he would take for that Busa engine boy

[SMc]

I dont understand why people think right of way= nothing can happen.

That particular corner is sharp and the visibilty to the right of the driver is limited- from the video it doeasnt look like the car driver just came out the junction without stopping or slowing downvand to be honest even if he took a left those bike drivers may have just crashed into the back of him anyway. They almost fcuk up before by not reading the road proprerly and overtaking a car while it was passing a car parked on the road.

Reality is as a driver of anything you need to be aware of your surroundings and drive to suite. There could be anything around a blind corner- a WASA truck, accident, child who dont know any better than to cross the road in the wrong spot. If the bike men familar with the area then they should be kicked in the balls as that is just stupid driving trough a village at that speed.

[bluefete]

Watched this in slow motion. The car driver clearly DID NOT STOP when he came out of the side street.

However, if the bikeman was riding more carefully and not at such a speed, he may have had some more reaction time.

But it was still going to be difficult to not hit the car.

[agent007]

50-50 contributory negligence

[pugboy]

what they need is a sign saying slowdown blind corner ahead

[16 cycles]

I blame the high bush for obscuring visibility...