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COVID-19 vaccines "just came out(?)," after nearly three years of public use and almost 14 billion (BILLION!) doses.alfa wrote:So the studies can't even decide if aspirin is beneficial or detrimental to the fight against COVID but they want me to trust in a vaccine that just came out? Righttttttt
alfa wrote:So the studies can't even decide if aspirin is beneficial or detrimental to the fight against COVID but they want me to trust in a vaccine that just came out? Righttttttt
Sorry, but that isn't what I do.Dohplaydat wrote:alfa wrote:So the studies can't even decide if aspirin is beneficial or detrimental to the fight against COVID but they want me to trust in a vaccine that just came out? Righttttttt
One study is never enough and also methodology needs to be reviewed and checked, cohort examined etc.
Adnj never understood that, and will often post news articles as evidence.
adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:"The use of aspirin was significantly associated with a reduced risk of mortality among patients with COVID-19"
adnj saying Ivermectin is as effective as taking Aspirin for Covid and Aspirin works for covid ...
SO he is finally admitting that Ivermectin works for COVID 19
Aspirin Is Related to Worse Clinical Outcomes of COVID-19
Aspirin use before COVID-19 was related to an increased death rate and aspirin use after COVID-19 was related to a higher risk of the conventional oxygen therapy. Conclusion: Aspirin use was associated with adverse effects in COVID-19 patients.
https://www.mdpi.com/1648-9144/57/9/931
drchaos wrote:
DUDE ...WTF are you smoking LOL
First you say Aspirin is nothing more than a placebo effect and now you are claiming its leads to worse Clinical Outcomes???
Placebo actually can improve clinical outcomes.
So its actually better than Aspirin when dealing with Covid.
Please stick to one narrative, Its like you are all over the place and confusing yourself. Or lying so much that you are confused.
adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:
DUDE ...WTF are you smoking LOL
First you say Aspirin is nothing more than a placebo effect and now you are claiming its leads to worse Clinical Outcomes???
Placebo actually can improve clinical outcomes.
So its actually better than Aspirin when dealing with Covid.
Please stick to one narrative, Its like you are all over the place and confusing yourself. Or lying so much that you are confused.
Unless you have onchocerciasis, or strongyloidiasisare, or are constipated, the placebo effect of taking ivermectin for COVID-19 is the only benefit that you'll get.
Ueli wrote:Covid is not real. Are you stupid or what?
That will suffice.drchaos wrote:adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:
DUDE ...WTF are you smoking LOL
First you say Aspirin is nothing more than a placebo effect and now you are claiming its leads to worse Clinical Outcomes???
Placebo actually can improve clinical outcomes.
So its actually better than Aspirin when dealing with Covid.
Please stick to one narrative, Its like you are all over the place and confusing yourself. Or lying so much that you are confused.
Unless you have onchocerciasis, or strongyloidiasisare, or are constipated, the placebo effect of taking ivermectin for COVID-19 is the only benefit that you'll get.
And a Placebo effect is better than Aspirin and doing nothing as you are saying ...
There you have it folks ADNJ has finally admitted that taking ivermectin for covid is better than not doing anything.
I knew he would come around!
adnj wrote:Another mystery of the mind of the antivaxxer revealed.
The results suggest that the complexity of the vaccination decision may make it difficult for people with lower cognitive abilities to understand the benefits of vaccination.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 9623000796
sMASH wrote:That will suffice.drchaos wrote:adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:
DUDE ...WTF are you smoking LOL
First you say Aspirin is nothing more than a placebo effect and now you are claiming its leads to worse Clinical Outcomes???
Placebo actually can improve clinical outcomes.
So its actually better than Aspirin when dealing with Covid.
Please stick to one narrative, Its like you are all over the place and confusing yourself. Or lying so much that you are confused.
Unless you have onchocerciasis, or strongyloidiasisare, or are constipated, the placebo effect of taking ivermectin for COVID-19 is the only benefit that you'll get.
And a Placebo effect is better than Aspirin and doing nothing as you are saying ...
There you have it folks ADNJ has finally admitted that taking ivermectin for covid is better than not doing anything.
I knew he would come around!
Placebo is enough to not justify banning doctors.
If its not hurting, y stop it?
Just like sympathetic care, u dont do it cause it works, u give it cause it will give ease of mind snd not worse than any before.
Still have not gotten virus. If that placebo causing my body to not get infected, the blasted placebo working better than the vax
Placebo : we're fiting covee spread FB_IMG_1694205759077.jpg
drchaos wrote:Beyond not causing harm ... Placebos actually work in healing disease.
So to say something has a placebo effect is not an insult .... It is a way of saying something actually has value. Esp in Covid when treatments for covid were not available to the vast majority of the world.
Placebo effects are also enhanced by the practitioner administering them.
The explanation offered up by Monge et al. fails. What we need is a proper explanation for perceived COVID-19 vaccine negative effectiveness, by the vaccine manufacturers or drug regulators. We need to know if this has always been the case or only since omicron, if the effect is dose-dependent, if certain groups are more at risk, etc. Otherwise, the notion that the benefits of the COVID-19 vaccines outweighs the risks is under threat. If the vaccines truly are negatively effective, it appears that the benefits do not outweigh the risks; there would be no benefits, and we simply add risks upon risks.
This was debunked by the authors of the study two years ago, and it has probably already been posted here.SuperiorMan wrote:
Interesting, no?
PITTSBURGH – A study conducted by researchers from Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) and the University of Pittsburgh has found that vaccine hesitancy has decreased among U.S. adults by one-third between January and May 2021. While tentative people are concerned about COVID-19 vaccine safety and potential side effects, those with stronger views tend to distrust the government.
adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:Beyond not causing harm ... Placebos actually work in healing disease.
So to say something has a placebo effect is not an insult .... It is a way of saying something actually has value. Esp in Covid when treatments for covid were not available to the vast majority of the world.
Placebo effects are also enhanced by the practitioner administering them.
You are trying to make sense out of two disparate aspects of therapeutics.
The placebo effect is purely psychological. It is not dependent on the particular placebo.
Placebos, in and of themselves, have zero therapeutic value.
adnj wrote:This was debunked by the authors of the study two years ago, and it has probably already been posted here.SuperiorMan wrote:
Interesting, no?
Read the full response and get the study at the link.
“There are people that can kind of take a data point and twist it around to mean something that it doesn’t mean, and that’s unfortunate,” King said.
A sensitivity analysis found some people answered in the extreme ends of some demographic categories to throw off some of the numbers. King said it appeared to be a “concerted effort” that “did make the hesitancy prevalence in the Ph.D. group look higher than it really is.”
For example, they observed higher hesitancy rates than expected in the oldest age group — 75 and over — as well as the top end in terms of education level.
“We found that people basically used it to write in political … statements,” King said. “So they weren’t genuine responses. They didn’t really complete the survey in good faith.”
https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolin ... h-d-s/amp/PITTSBURGH – A study conducted by researchers from Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) and the University of Pittsburgh has found that vaccine hesitancy has decreased among U.S. adults by one-third between January and May 2021. While tentative people are concerned about COVID-19 vaccine safety and potential side effects, those with stronger views tend to distrust the government.
drchaos wrote:Nope ... Placebos cause the placebo effect which then has therapeutic value. Without the particular placebo the person cannot have the mental emotional effect
You are sir are just tying up your own brain with dostishness.
Thats like saying mRNA vaccines have no therapeutic effect ... Its the immune system response to the spike protein that has the therapeutic effect. Therefore mRNA vaccines, in and themselves have zero therapeutic value.
SO which is it???
Wait, so one of the authors of the study quoted by the Daily Mail says themselves that their study is being misrepresented and your response is to complain about "woke" media outlets?drchaos wrote:adnj wrote:This was debunked by the authors of the study two years ago, and it has probably already been posted here.SuperiorMan wrote:
Interesting, no?
Read the full response and get the study at the link.
“There are people that can kind of take a data point and twist it around to mean something that it doesn’t mean, and that’s unfortunate,” King said.
A sensitivity analysis found some people answered in the extreme ends of some demographic categories to throw off some of the numbers. King said it appeared to be a “concerted effort” that “did make the hesitancy prevalence in the Ph.D. group look higher than it really is.”
For example, they observed higher hesitancy rates than expected in the oldest age group — 75 and over — as well as the top end in terms of education level.
“We found that people basically used it to write in political … statements,” King said. “So they weren’t genuine responses. They didn’t really complete the survey in good faith.”
https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolin ... h-d-s/amp/PITTSBURGH – A study conducted by researchers from Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) and the University of Pittsburgh has found that vaccine hesitancy has decreased among U.S. adults by one-third between January and May 2021. While tentative people are concerned about COVID-19 vaccine safety and potential side effects, those with stronger views tend to distrust the government.
Yup woke media outlets like to "debunk" anything that leads away from their narrative.
Of Course they would ... Half of their segments are "BROUGHT TO YOU BY PFIZER".
ADNJ spousing vaccine propaganda here nonstop but he still hasn't taken his 6th Covid booster yet
What a hypocrite?
ed360123 wrote:Wait, so one of the authors of the study quoted by the Daily Mail says themselves that their study is being misrepresented and your response is to complain about "woke" media outlets?drchaos wrote:adnj wrote:This was debunked by the authors of the study two years ago, and it has probably already been posted here.SuperiorMan wrote:
Interesting, no?
Read the full response and get the study at the link.
“There are people that can kind of take a data point and twist it around to mean something that it doesn’t mean, and that’s unfortunate,” King said.
A sensitivity analysis found some people answered in the extreme ends of some demographic categories to throw off some of the numbers. King said it appeared to be a “concerted effort” that “did make the hesitancy prevalence in the Ph.D. group look higher than it really is.”
For example, they observed higher hesitancy rates than expected in the oldest age group — 75 and over — as well as the top end in terms of education level.
“We found that people basically used it to write in political … statements,” King said. “So they weren’t genuine responses. They didn’t really complete the survey in good faith.”
https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolin ... h-d-s/amp/PITTSBURGH – A study conducted by researchers from Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) and the University of Pittsburgh has found that vaccine hesitancy has decreased among U.S. adults by one-third between January and May 2021. While tentative people are concerned about COVID-19 vaccine safety and potential side effects, those with stronger views tend to distrust the government.
Yup woke media outlets like to "debunk" anything that leads away from their narrative.
Of Course they would ... Half of their segments are "BROUGHT TO YOU BY PFIZER".
ADNJ spousing vaccine propaganda here nonstop but he still hasn't taken his 6th Covid booster yet
What a hypocrite?
Be serious nah man.
adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:Nope ... Placebos cause the placebo effect which then has therapeutic value. Without the particular placebo the person cannot have the mental emotional effect
You are sir are just tying up your own brain with dostishness.
Thats like saying mRNA vaccines have no therapeutic effect ... Its the immune system response to the spike protein that has the therapeutic effect. Therefore mRNA vaccines, in and themselves have zero therapeutic value.
SO which is it???
I underlined the part of your post that is wrong.
Ah, so you have no actual responses.drchaos wrote:ed360123 wrote:Wait, so one of the authors of the study quoted by the Daily Mail says themselves that their study is being misrepresented and your response is to complain about "woke" media outlets?drchaos wrote:adnj wrote:This was debunked by the authors of the study two years ago, and it has probably already been posted here.SuperiorMan wrote:
Interesting, no?
Read the full response and get the study at the link.
“There are people that can kind of take a data point and twist it around to mean something that it doesn’t mean, and that’s unfortunate,” King said.
A sensitivity analysis found some people answered in the extreme ends of some demographic categories to throw off some of the numbers. King said it appeared to be a “concerted effort” that “did make the hesitancy prevalence in the Ph.D. group look higher than it really is.”
For example, they observed higher hesitancy rates than expected in the oldest age group — 75 and over — as well as the top end in terms of education level.
“We found that people basically used it to write in political … statements,” King said. “So they weren’t genuine responses. They didn’t really complete the survey in good faith.”
https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolin ... h-d-s/amp/PITTSBURGH – A study conducted by researchers from Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) and the University of Pittsburgh has found that vaccine hesitancy has decreased among U.S. adults by one-third between January and May 2021. While tentative people are concerned about COVID-19 vaccine safety and potential side effects, those with stronger views tend to distrust the government.
Yup woke media outlets like to "debunk" anything that leads away from their narrative.
Of Course they would ... Half of their segments are "BROUGHT TO YOU BY PFIZER".
ADNJ spousing vaccine propaganda here nonstop but he still hasn't taken his 6th Covid booster yet
What a hypocrite?
Be serious nah man.
You take your 6th shot yet? Be serious nah man ...
ed360123 wrote:Ah, so you have no actual responses.drchaos wrote:ed360123 wrote:Wait, so one of the authors of the study quoted by the Daily Mail says themselves that their study is being misrepresented and your response is to complain about "woke" media outlets?drchaos wrote:adnj wrote:This was debunked by the authors of the study two years ago, and it has probably already been posted here.SuperiorMan wrote:
Interesting, no?
Read the full response and get the study at the link.
“There are people that can kind of take a data point and twist it around to mean something that it doesn’t mean, and that’s unfortunate,” King said.
A sensitivity analysis found some people answered in the extreme ends of some demographic categories to throw off some of the numbers. King said it appeared to be a “concerted effort” that “did make the hesitancy prevalence in the Ph.D. group look higher than it really is.”
For example, they observed higher hesitancy rates than expected in the oldest age group — 75 and over — as well as the top end in terms of education level.
“We found that people basically used it to write in political … statements,” King said. “So they weren’t genuine responses. They didn’t really complete the survey in good faith.”
https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolin ... h-d-s/amp/PITTSBURGH – A study conducted by researchers from Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) and the University of Pittsburgh has found that vaccine hesitancy has decreased among U.S. adults by one-third between January and May 2021. While tentative people are concerned about COVID-19 vaccine safety and potential side effects, those with stronger views tend to distrust the government.
Yup woke media outlets like to "debunk" anything that leads away from their narrative.
Of Course they would ... Half of their segments are "BROUGHT TO YOU BY PFIZER".
ADNJ spousing vaccine propaganda here nonstop but he still hasn't taken his 6th Covid booster yet
What a hypocrite?
Be serious nah man.
You take your 6th shot yet? Be serious nah man ...
A slow learner laughing at a slow learner for calling someone a slow learner. *smheitech wrote:Lmao
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