*** The OFFICIAL Bandit Shot Thread***

[VexXx Dogg]

The persad robbery is the man who 'went to buy ah bread'?

[matix]

Yup

[rspann]

Right now miss Alleyne showing the vid where he was shot and calling for jostiss for Pumba.

[megadoc1]

After seeing all those past vids of security guards getting killed at groceries I can't fault this security guard,this is his job and it's dangerous, if after pulling out Yuh gun a man still rushing Yuh is either he mad or he dead

[shake d livin wake d dead]

So wah is the real story with that pumba thing???

[matix]

Pumba was a pest in New Grant

[HSA]

[rspann]

He wasn't a bandit, shouldn't be in this thread.

[Ben_spanna]

Well done...this is the approach needed. The security deserves a raise and the best of medals.

And to the fool crying in the background...you and your family should have been shot as well.

"No security does get on so"....well that gun shot was your wake up call.

I hope Pumba dies...

I want to see more of this.

thumbs UP- great Example of what needs to be done.

[VexXx Dogg]

Heard that the security officer was detained

[nick639v2]

Yea he was, u all see the security footage??

Security made it clear if he came inside he would get dealt with, then pumba reach for something in a case and collect bullet.

If that was a glass bottle now?? Suppose he was gonna buss it on the guard head? I don't blame the security at all..

RS. Ent you could get charged for shooting a man if you wasn't greeted with same force? No matter what the situation?

[VexXx Dogg]

With all the security guards getting shot and killed on the job, I can't fault the man for that kinda threat response nah. I guess he'll have his day in court.

[K74T]

Ent they say he was a pest that was in and out of jail? All I could say is good riddance.

[rollingstock]

Yea he was, u all see the security footage??

Security made it clear if he came inside he would get dealt with, then pumba reach for something in a case and collect bullet.

If that was a glass bottle now?? Suppose he was gonna buss it on the guard head? I don't blame the security at all..

RS. Ent you could get charged for shooting a man if you wasn't greeted with same force? No matter what the situation?

A toss up really. He was reaching for something but where's the 'immediate' danger. Imo should have waited till pumba armed himself. Plus the last shot would be questioned, after the first barrage he was stumbling and didn't pose an immediate threat.

Most likely the security may face a manslaughter charge and let the court clarify it.
But it's a wait and see what the DPP would decide.

[rollingstock]

Aw sheit! Was thinking of the wrong vid. The one I was recollecting was a police shooting.
Security in the right.

[A172]

Aw sheit! Was thinking of the wrong vid. The one I was recollecting was a police shooting.
Security in the right.

boy i relll glad to hear dat
hope nothing happens to the guard

[rollingstock]

It's a wait and see on what the DPP decides.

Hope it turns out in his favor. A guy was shot by the dump in the beetham some years ago that was pelting glass bottles at the police . Seniors were of the opinion that excessive force was used , DPP didn't agree, the use of deadly force was warranted in his opinion.

The security wasn't under direct attack at the time but someone looking to an themself, do you wait for the attack or mount a pre-emptive defensive assault?

Edited

[lostboys crew]

Passed a scene in Enterprise this morning,looking like a bandit now robbed a vegetable stall and police now pulled up on the scene.

[K74T]

It's a wait and see on what the DPP decides.

Supermarket guard charged with murder
...DPP gives instructions

THE security guard who shot and killed ex-convict Verne “Pumba” Sambury during an encounter at Persad's Supermarket, New Grant last Monday, has been charged with murder.

The guard is expected to appear in the Princes Town magistrates' Court later today.

The decision to charge the security officer came over the weekend from the office of the Director of Public Prosecutions.

The guard was detained by police last Tuesday after security camera footage emerged of the shooting at the entrance to the supermarket located along the Naparima/Mayaro Road.

Police said they were initially told that Sambury was attempting to break into the business place at around 8.a.m. when he was shot.

However, the man's relatives claimed that he went to purchase a loaf of bread, and the security footage showed Sambury's interaction with the guard which appeared to show him being aggressive and reaching for a bottle before he was shot three times at close range.

A second video, captured by a member of the public and uploaded to social media show Sambury, bleeding heavily and walking about in the parking lot, while the supermarket doors are closed behind him.

The footage ends with Sambury, helped by no one, dragging a wooden crate into the parking lot, and laying on it.

He was later taken to Princes Town District Health Facility by police, and then transferred to San Fernando General Hospital where he died.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20170213/news/supermarket-guard-charged-with-murder

[Redman]

It's a wait and see on what the DPP decides.

Hope it turns out in his favor. A guy was shot by the dump in the beetham some years ago that was pelting glass bottles at the police . Seniors were of the opinion that excessive force was used , DPP didn't agree, the use of deadly force was warranted in his opinion.

The security wasn't under direct attack at the time but someone looking to an themself, do you wait for the attack or mount a pre-emptive defensive assault?

Edited

Question- as an Estate Police...isnt his mandate to protect people and property?
Therefore allowing him more latitude than just being under PERSONAL threat to justify a shoot?

[nick639v2]

I hope he doesn't get faced will full charges... That is a horrible outcome...

[Dizzy28]

Not a lawyer but Murder as opposed to Manslaughter seems harsh though.
Maybe I'm missing something.

[rollingstock]

It's a wait and see on what the DPP decides.

Hope it turns out in his favor. A guy was shot by the dump in the beetham some years ago that was pelting glass bottles at the police . Seniors were of the opinion that excessive force was used , DPP didn't agree, the use of deadly force was warranted in his opinion.

The security wasn't under direct attack at the time but someone looking to an themself, do you wait for the attack or mount a pre-emptive defensive assault?

Edited

Question- as an Estate Police...isnt his mandate to protect people and property?
Therefore allowing him more latitude than just being under PERSONAL threat to justify a shoot?

No it doesn't.

Not a lawyer but Murder as opposed to Manslaughter seems harsh though.
Maybe I'm missing something.

If during the trial the evidence points to a case of manslaughter he could be convicted for the lower offence

[VII]

Dunno why anyone is surprised,anyone level headed person knows you cannot shoot an unarmed man for a simple squabble,if you guys think T&T bad now it could be worse with idiots with legal guns. The guard was wrong sorry,charges may be reduced to manslaughter though as he clearly didn't set out to kill anyone that day,I wish him well and trust me if you have a legal gun and the wrong temperament it's only a matter of time before similar happens.

When you have a legal firearm you must be prepared to walk away,you must be prepared to take some crap,in the blink of an eye with the wrong split second decision your life can be over like this guard's,it is clear to see that he over reacted,now he has to account for a human being that everyone here refuses to accept was unjustly killed,an ole tief,was it worth it?

People can talk, people can act out,it's their right and having a gun does not entitle you to make unjust decisions on people's lives,that's what criminals do. And ok if this unarmed man was threatening why didn't he shoot him in his leg or sumn,he deserves to be charged,sorry,having said that I really hope he can salvage his life at some point.

[src1983]

Dunno why anyone is surprised,anyone level headed person knows you cannot shoot an unarmed man for a simple squabble,if you guys think T&T bad now it could be worse with idiots with legal guns. The guard was wrong sorry,charges may be reduced to manslaughter though as he clearly didn't set out to kill anyone that day,I wish him well and trust me if you have a legal gun and the wrong temperament it's only a matter of time before similar happens.

When you have a legal firearm you must be prepared to walk away,you must be prepared to take some crap,in the blink of an eye with the wrong split second decision your life can be over like this guard's,it is clear to see that he over reacted,now he has to account for a human being that everyone here refuses to accept was unjustly killed,an ole tief,was it worth it?

People can talk, people can act out,it's their right and having a gun does not entitle you to make unjust decisions on people's lives,that's what criminals do. And ok if this unarmed man was threatening why didn't he shoot him in his leg or sumn,he deserves to be charged,sorry,having said that I really hope he can salvage his life at some point.

That's the thing you are stating this after watching a video, the security guard can't just "walk away" the man had a long history of being a bad egg. How was the guard to know exactly what was in the bag? With Trinidad current history he did the best with what was available.

A good lawyer could get him off

[src1983]

Dunno why anyone is surprised,anyone level headed person knows you cannot shoot an unarmed man for a simple squabble,if you guys think T&T bad now it could be worse with idiots with legal guns. The guard was wrong sorry,charges may be reduced to manslaughter though as he clearly didn't set out to kill anyone that day,I wish him well and trust me if you have a legal gun and the wrong temperament it's only a matter of time before similar happens.

When you have a legal firearm you must be prepared to walk away,you must be prepared to take some crap,in the blink of an eye with the wrong split second decision your life can be over like this guard's,it is clear to see that he over reacted,now he has to account for a human being that everyone here refuses to accept was unjustly killed,an ole tief,was it worth it?

People can talk, people can act out,it's their right and having a gun does not entitle you to make unjust decisions on people's lives,that's what criminals do. And ok if this unarmed man was threatening why didn't he shoot him in his leg or sumn,he deserves to be charged,sorry,having said that I really hope he can salvage his life at some point.

That's the thing you are stating this after watching a video, the security guard can't just "walk away" the man had a long history of being a bad egg. How was the guard to know exactly what was in the bag? With Trinidad current history he did the best with what was available.

A good lawyer could get him off

[Slartibartfast]

Dunno why anyone is surprised,anyone level headed person knows you cannot shoot an unarmed man for a simple squabble,if you guys think T&T bad now it could be worse with idiots with legal guns. The guard was wrong sorry,charges may be reduced to manslaughter though as he clearly didn't set out to kill anyone that day,I wish him well and trust me if you have a legal gun and the wrong temperament it's only a matter of time before similar happens.

When you have a legal firearm you must be prepared to walk away,you must be prepared to take some crap,in the blink of an eye with the wrong split second decision your life can be over like this guard's,it is clear to see that he over reacted,now he has to account for a human being that everyone here refuses to accept was unjustly killed,an ole tief,was it worth it?

People can talk, people can act out,it's their right and having a gun does not entitle you to make unjust decisions on people's lives,that's what criminals do. And ok if this unarmed man was threatening why didn't he shoot him in his leg or sumn,he deserves to be charged,sorry,having said that I really hope he can salvage his life at some point.

That's the thing you are stating this after watching a video, the security guard can't just "walk away" the man had a long history of being a bad egg. How was the guard to know exactly what was in the bag? With Trinidad current history he did the best with what was available.

A good lawyer could get him off

I agree the guard's actions were excessive but I had the luxury of looking over the video from the comfort of my home and rewinding to see get a better look at the situation.

I think they should take into account that the guard did not have those luxuries and had to make a split second decision. Also, I never heard someone aim for a hand or a leg because it is so easy to miss. I know most are taught to shoot for center mass. From the video it also looks like the guard purposefully aimed a bit low and did not aim for the head or chest. He could argue that the intent of the shot was to subdue and deescalate and not to kill. He could also say that thoughts of the crime situation in Trinidad now further added to his panic and clouded his judgement.

Pumba did not deserve to get shot for what he was the aggressor and the one in control of the situation so he is partially liable for the outcome. Losing in a situation doesn't make you less wrong.

[VII]

Dunno why anyone is surprised,anyone level headed person knows you cannot shoot an unarmed man for a simple squabble,if you guys think T&T bad now it could be worse with idiots with legal guns. The guard was wrong sorry,charges may be reduced to manslaughter though as he clearly didn't set out to kill anyone that day,I wish him well and trust me if you have a legal gun and the wrong temperament it's only a matter of time before similar happens.

When you have a legal firearm you must be prepared to walk away,you must be prepared to take some crap,in the blink of an eye with the wrong split second decision your life can be over like this guard's,it is clear to see that he over reacted,now he has to account for a human being that everyone here refuses to accept was unjustly killed,an ole tief,was it worth it?

People can talk, people can act out,it's their right and having a gun does not entitle you to make unjust decisions on people's lives,that's what criminals do. And ok if this unarmed man was threatening why didn't he shoot him in his leg or sumn,he deserves to be charged,sorry,having said that I really hope he can salvage his life at some point.

That's the thing you are stating this after watching a video, the security guard can't just "walk away" the man had a long history of being a bad egg. How was the guard to know exactly what was in the bag? With Trinidad current history he did the best with what was available.

A good lawyer could get him off

I agree the guard's actions were excessive but I had the luxury of looking over the video from the comfort of my home and rewinding to see get a better look at the situation.

I think they should take into account that the guard did not have those luxuries and had to make a split second decision. Also, I never heard someone aim for a hand or a leg because it is so easy to miss. I know most are taught to shoot for center mass. From the video it also looks like the guard purposefully aimed a bit low and did not aim for the head or chest. He could argue that the intent of the shot was to subdue and deescalate and not to kill. He could also say that thoughts of the crime situation in Trinidad now further added to his panic and clouded his judgement.

Pumba did not deserve to get shot for what he was the aggressor and the one in control of the situation so he is partially liable for the outcome. Losing in a situation doesn't make you less wrong.

I have the 'luxury' of being in similar situations..

[VII]

Dunno why anyone is surprised,anyone level headed person knows you cannot shoot an unarmed man for a simple squabble,if you guys think T&T bad now it could be worse with idiots with legal guns. The guard was wrong sorry,charges may be reduced to manslaughter though as he clearly didn't set out to kill anyone that day,I wish him well and trust me if you have a legal gun and the wrong temperament it's only a matter of time before similar happens.

When you have a legal firearm you must be prepared to walk away,you must be prepared to take some crap,in the blink of an eye with the wrong split second decision your life can be over like this guard's,it is clear to see that he over reacted,now he has to account for a human being that everyone here refuses to accept was unjustly killed,an ole tief,was it worth it?

People can talk, people can act out,it's their right and having a gun does not entitle you to make unjust decisions on people's lives,that's what criminals do. And ok if this unarmed man was threatening why didn't he shoot him in his leg or sumn,he deserves to be charged,sorry,having said that I really hope he can salvage his life at some point.

That's the thing you are stating this after watching a video, the security guard can't just "walk away" the man had a long history of being a bad egg. How was the guard to know exactly what was in the bag? With Trinidad current history he did the best with what was available.

A good lawyer could get him off

Like I said I wish him well because he's a good guy with a gun, but he would be the first to admit that he effed up bigly..

[Redman]

I fully support issuing fire arms to those who want them and are sufficiently vetted and qualified.


I've also been very concerned as to whether shootings are investigated properly and found to be within the rules as they maybe.

So without seeing the video of the shooting I support what is happening and I hope the guard is given a proper and fair trial.

We need to start enforcing whatever rules we are governed by....for all his alleged watlessness,Pumba is a citizen and has a right to the protection of the law.