"State of Emergency" Thread

[smell]

the reality is

the big fish of the 80's are NOT the big fish now

the stereotypes that small minded trini's pass down from generation to generation as "facts" can't be further from the truth

even if the "big fish" was exposed, it wouldnt satisfy the populations stereotypical idea of trinidad drug lord cause he not from the west or imports cloth

Not even so far back as the 80s pal

These fellas reign dont last for long and is constantly passed on

Allya remember when Cudjoe went on national tv and say he frighten for his life

[AbstractPoetic]

Look who come out of the woodwork!

[16 cycles]

PM not worried about country's international image
By Akile Simon

Story Created: Aug 25, 2011 at 12:56 AM ECT

Story Updated: Aug 25, 2011 at 12:56 AM ECT

PRIME Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar said yesterday she was not worried at this time about the international image of the country after the declaration of a state of emergency and limited curfew restrictions across the country.

Delivering the feature address at the sod turning ceremony for the new Arima Police Station, Persad-Bissessar maintained that Government made the right decision when it decided to call a state of emergency to deal with the out of control crime situation in the country.

"We have not shied away from making that very tough call. The situation requires decisive leadership and I intend to provide just that. I will not stand idly by while the nation is held to ransom by those bent on creating havoc and mayhem. Let there be no mistake while we are a kinder, gentler and more compassionate Government with the people's interests at heart, let not my compassion be mistaken as a sign of weakness."

She said even though people were discussing the negative image the country could get internationally given the stringent security measures, she was not worried about that at this time.

"For those who speak about concerns for foreign image, I say I am more concerned by the images of my people dying, of mothers crying, of innocent citizens living in fear, of orphaned children. Those are the images that concern me right here in our land, Trinidad and Tobago."

"We cannot pretend there is no problem. We can take the tough decisions to bring about a solution," Persad-Bissessar said.

She said as of midday yesterday, she was informed that 139 people had been detained by police in connection with a series of criminal offences since the state of emergency across the country took effect.

Persad-Bissessar also lashed out at Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley who said that Government should have enforced the anti-gang law instead of a state of emergency.

She said it appeared that Rowley did not understand what was clearly stated in the legislation.

Persad-Bissessar said: "Apparently the honourable Opposition Leader has not read the anti-gang laws properly, and even if he did read them, he obiviously didn't understand it because its very clear, the very wordy anti-gang law, it means that you're going for who? Gang members."

"But the crime is not only being related to gang activities…So tell me how we would have dealt with those drug-related, the firearms and the other serious crimes with the anti-gang law. So, Mr Rowley, go back and read it."

She added, "… The anti-gang law will not have allowed the military to operate under a state of emergency. So those are clear differences and let not your heart be troubled, the government is in control and we are determined to use the opportunity at this time, under the state of emergency, to bring in the weapons off the streets as far as we can and to bring in those who are involved in criminal activities."

Government, she added, intends to spend $606 million to construct 18 police stations throughout the country.

Persad-Bissessar, who arrived in Arima in a helicopter which landed at the Arima Velodrome, declined to speak with reporters after saying that she was still recovering from dengue.

"I wish I could speak with you all but right now I'm breaking doctor's orders just to be here. I have been instructed by my doctors to remain in bed and rest," she said.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/PM_ ... 65298.html

[Habit7]

just heard on the radio we recorded our first murder for the SoE

[silver]

gayelle news (if das not an oxymoron) sais 40 more held in over night raids...

below are some updates from C News


Officer held in Rio Claro
Thursday 25th August, 2011



A suspended police officer is among 16 persons detained in the Rio Claro/Mayaro region by police officers.



C News understands the men were held during a joint effort between Rio Claro and Mayaro police.



According to investigators, the 26 year old man of Tait Street in Sangre Grande, who is a police officer on suspension, was held with unlicensed firearms and 20 rounds of live ammunition.



Of the 16 detainees, 12 have pending matters before the court for several charges including drug possession and guns and ammunition.

Murder in Chaguanas
Thursday 25th August, 2011



Police have held a 58 year old female suspect in connection with a murder early on Thursday morning.



C News understands that the incident happened around 6am at the St Thomas Village, Petersville, Chaguanas home of 26 year old Karim Alexander.



He was involved in an argument with his girlfriend, Melissa Best, when he was stabbed by the female relative.



He was rushed to the Chaguanas Health Facility where he was pronounced dead on arrival.

Point Fortin Digicel outlet robbed
Thursday 25th August, 2011



Police are investigating a robbery at a Point Fortin branch of Digicel.



C News spoke to officers at the Point Fortin Police Station and was informed that the manager of the establishment was held at gunpoint and tied up while bandits robbed the store of an undisclosed sum of money.



Investigations are continuing.

[sweaty]

Crime in Trinidad
Taking on the gangs
Emergency treatment
Aug 27th 2011 | PORT OF SPAIN | from the print edition

STREET life in St James, a suburb of Port of Spain, Trinidad’s capital, that likes to call itself the “city that never sleeps”, normally blasts on until the early hours. But now all is deathly quiet. Customers and staff scuttle home early to beat a 9pm curfew that started on August 21st in Port of Spain and three other towns as part of a nationwide state of emergency imposed by Trinidad and Tobago’s prime minister, Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

The aim of the emergency, which grants special powers to the police and army, is to try to break the island’s violent criminal gangs. Most Trinidadians support the measure. “Long overdue”, says Ken Gordon, a businessman who chaired a crime task-force for a former government. The four days preceding the announcement saw 11 killings, in a country of just 1.3m people. The murder rate last year was 36 per 100,000, around seven times that in the United States. Recent drug busts raised fears of more deadly turf battles.

Jamaica, with a worse gang problem, imposed a similar emergency for two months from May 2010. Gunmen in the capital, Kingston, had attacked police stations in support of their leader, Christopher “Dudus” Coke, who was wanted in the United States on drug charges. Police and troops stormed his Tivoli Gardens stronghold, leading to 73 civilian deaths. Mr Coke was arrested a month later, and now awaits trial in New York. A bevy of suspected criminals was detained. The murder rate fell by more than 40%, and has stayed down.

Nobody expects such drama in Trinidad. Two young thugs were shot dead during an armed robbery on August 22nd. But there is no kingpin on the “most wanted” posters. The curfew will doubtless cut the murder rate, but it was slowly coming down anyway. If arsenals of illegal guns are seized and hard-core gangsters are charged and convicted, there will be a longer-term dividend. But that requires intelligence and unusual determination from a police force that is in sullen mood over a pay claim and the appointment of a Canadian as police commissioner last year.

The previous prime minister resisted calls for a state of emergency because he worried this might scare investors when the economy was booming. Now it is struggling to recover from the recession. Mrs Persad-Bissessar reckons that leaving the gangs unchecked would be costlier.

http://www.economist.com/node/21526903

[S_2NR]

Congrats to Kamla for making Trinidad look even more backward and more like a wild wild west to the international community.

We Reach!

Here is token of my appreciation..

[shotta 20]

Congrats to Kamla for making Trinidad look even more backward and more like a wild wild west to the international community.

We Reach!

Here is token of my appreciation..

At 21 yrs old, is that the best u can do?

[redmanjp]

thing rel simple...

- there is an SOE
- there is a curfew

if it is not clear whether its a limited SOE or full SOE and the areas the curfew are enforced....make sure you home and indoors from 2100 to 0500 till there is an official decree that LSOE/SOE and curfew are over....

next ting yuh go hear is d curfew hours is really 6-6 & TTPS on yuh tail at 6:05pm

[redmanjp]

Crime in Trinidad
Taking on the gangs
Emergency treatment
Aug 27th 2011 | PORT OF SPAIN | from the print edition

STREET life in St James, a suburb of Port of Spain, Trinidad’s capital, that likes to call itself the “city that never sleeps”, normally blasts on until the early hours. But now all is deathly quiet. Customers and staff scuttle home early to beat a 9pm curfew that started on August 21st in Port of Spain and three other towns as part of a nationwide state of emergency imposed by Trinidad and Tobago’s prime minister, Kamla Persad-Bissessar.
...
http://www.economist.com/node/21526903

early edition?

[S_2NR]

At 21 yrs old, is that the best u can do?

how u know my age...these stalkers..

[16 cycles]

thing rel simple...

- there is an SOE
- there is a curfew

if it is not clear whether its a limited SOE or full SOE and the areas the curfew are enforced....make sure you home and indoors from 2100 to 0500 till there is an official decree that LSOE/SOE and curfew are over....

next ting yuh go hear is d curfew hours is really 6-6 & TTPS on yuh tail at 6:05pm

those who can adapt usually have the better chance of surviving....

[Habit7]

one thing we can be sure of, the SoE/curfew must finish before Divali

[cinco]

one thing we can be sure of, the SoE/curfew must finish before Divali

why???
let it run its course they have their things to do

[cincuanta]

Hah! Fool yuh self they dan..this country is gonna be like this for a while.

[Bizzare]

At 21 yrs old, is that the best u can do?

how u know my age...these stalkers..

Oh you got a stalker too?

[S_2NR]

Hah! Fool yuh self they dan..this country is gonna be like this for a while.

OO GODD...DOH MAKE THEM JOKE !!!!!!!ELEVEN!!!!

[cincuanta]

Hah! Fool yuh self they dan..this country is gonna be like this for a while.

OO GODD...DOH MAKE THEM JOKE !!!!!!!ELEVEN!!!!

Curfew parang party in yuh waist, just dont parang the wrong house

[snowman]

My bday is in two weeks. This better be over.

[X_Factor]

well, now the CoP is retracting the island wide curfew
they now re-stating its for the hot-spot zones only

[webb]

Steups

[S_2NR]

Why nobody callin for that waste of time CoP to resign yet..

[redmanjp]

This shutdown is as a result of the PNM crime problem that our people now have to deal with. We have to hold the bulls by the horn. If the PNM was smart they would show support. I say we should continue with this for 6 months and ban alcohol in this time. We need to detox some of our Indo folks.

em no eh! 1 month is enough

[AbstractPoetic]

one thing we can be sure of, the SoE/curfew must finish before Divali

[AbstractPoetic]

well, now the CoP is retracting the island wide curfew
they now re-stating its for the hot-spot zones only

[cacasplat3]

one thing we can be sure of, the SoE/curfew must finish before Divali

wha u feel this is? a joke?

[S_2NR]

one thing we can be sure of, the SoE/curfew must finish before Divali

wha u feel this is? a joke?

i think he meant since kamla is a hindu.
and divali is mainly celebrated at night with lighting deyas etc.

[cincuanta]

one thing we can be sure of, the SoE/curfew must finish before Divali

wha u feel this is? a joke?

i think he meant since kamla is a hindu.
and divali is mainly celebrated at night with lighting deyas etc.

Ummm..no..I think the man worrying about curry.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

YES our constitutional rights have been curtailed by the SOE, but we are NOT under martial law!!!
Is it really that difficult to understand?

Not me and you today, nah.

So if your constitutional rights have been curtailed what's the new order of the day?

I have already stated there is some aspects of martial law in effect, what I earlier coined as quasi-martial law. YES, in the strictest sense, martial law exists only when the military takes over total law enforcement of the country. That's the pure definition.

However, in T&T, the military, police & other government protective services are working together. The military hasn't superseded the authority of the other arms of the protective services. Therefore, T&T is under a type of quasi- Martial Law but your constitutional rights have been placed on hold, most definitely.

I can imagine you before the magistrate arguing in favour of your client who is the defendant claiming "your honour, in the strictest sense my client did take the zaboca from the claimant when we look at the purest definition of the verb "take" so despite the claimant claiming it was stolen we have a quasi-take scenario and not really theft per se".



AP as a law student your persistence in the face of logic is admirable, however you argumentative skills are lacking because you are still not making any sense.

We are NOT under military rule and so are currently NOT under martial law, no way, no how.

I rest my case. Thank you.

Lets look at the facts here...correct me if I'm wrong with any of them

Union unrest and threats of National Shutdown.Analysis - Nothing new, unions have been acting up for months, the general apathy of Trinis would suggest only have would adhere to a National Shutdown.Level of Concern to the Gov = 6/10

Kamala allegeldy gets Dengue and is away for the public eye for the entire week....hmm

PSA memebers overthrow Duke....low level jamaat thugs/members appear out of no where.Level of Concern to the Gov = 7.5/10

20M drug bust on Wednesday 27th Aug.Level of Concern to the Gov = 3/10...this has become routine and 20m is small money

11 Murders in 3 to 4 days preceding drug bust. Level of Concern to the Gov = 5/10 Only because it looks bad politically, when in truth, the gov and general populace could care less about gang killings now

Commissionaire of Police allowed to leave the country to Brazil (and got blanked,lol)

Roodal Monilal indicates there will be no state of emergency on Friday 19th Aug. Not sure what prompted talks of the SoE, but it seems it was deliberately brought up

Limited State of Emergency called on Sunday Night by PM.

After much foot in mouth and contradictory statements, it appears it is essential a full SoE with a nationwide curfew

AG hints that it was called to prevent a certain event and loss of innocent life (gang killings do not constitute loss of innocent life IMO)

the rankings in this list make plenty sense IMO

[AbstractPoetic]

I can imagine you before the magistrate arguing in favour of your client who is the defendant claiming "your honour, in the strictest sense my client did take the zaboca from the claimant when we look at the purest definition of the verb "take" so despite the claimant claiming it was stolen we have a quasi-take scenario and not really theft per se".

I must admit, that sounds just about right.