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Re: PNM in Gov't -AH WHOLE 4 AND AH HALF YEARS LATER!!!!!

Postby rspann » May 6th, 2020, 6:55 am

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Postby Redman » May 6th, 2020, 7:43 am

Montanos questions are impossible to answer. The co incidents are not locally isolated.
Delcy was in Spain in Jan 2020 -and the drug link accusations followed.

The implications here are that members of the Spanish Govt are facilitating Maduro by helping him move drugs.

Our kings and queens here are pawns on the real chess board.

I said the cocaine and illegal fuel trades dont stop for any party.

When people here were speculating about sanctions-I suggested they will match Spain.

THis Govt has to dig itself out of this- and it will be entertaining- Lay the documentation in parliament get that chit going now.

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US forcing regime change in Vene is the goal here.
Not the truth of what happened here in TnT

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Postby maj. tom » May 6th, 2020, 8:48 am

Nevertheless, the United States Government does not care about Moonilal's letter. I still think it was inappropriate. If anything it should have come from the Opposition Leader's Office and it should have been to the press with all documentation and laid before our own Parliament. The Opposition Leader could have then called for a closed door meeting with the PM... and maybe gain some points if the request was refused.

We alone have to solve our own problems internally. Why would the USA care about our infighting backwater stupid small politics? What would they even do to respond to the Moonilal?

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Postby rspann » May 6th, 2020, 9:29 am

I wonder if Delcy knows about shipments Maduro was making and ratted to the US in exchange for something ? How come as soon as she visit a country , a bust is made soon after .

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Postby Redman » May 6th, 2020, 9:41 am

Given the US Govts involvement in narco trafficking in LATAM and their willingness to use that as a lever against former allies....... anything above is possible.

So are we supporting a extra constitutional regime change,driven by external forces, in a country with the second largest oil reserves.

All based on a singular charge of drugs trafficking.

If it looks like WMDs
And Sounds like WMDs

It probably is WMDs
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Postby Gladiator » May 6th, 2020, 9:43 am

On the other hand the opposition's job is to ask questions. This major development was first reported by a Venezuelan journalist. They did the necessary and asked the questions in the public domain and in the parliament.

But as the joke that we are... The speaker if the house refused the question. The US press published an article citing the issue and talked about investigations. Still our Govt quiet.

The letter was then sent to the US embassy...with the same questions that never got answered.

If the PNM is so righteous then just clear the air and speak the truth. Instead they want to spin the whole thing to blame the opposition.

The allegations are even more damning since there is now cocaine in the mix. What is our Govt really getting themselves involved in?

Then I am seeing this on FB this morning...

A lesson i learnt while giving Evidence on behalf of the State many Years ago in the Arima Magistrate Court before then Magistrate Reynold Waldropt;
"An Opinion is Personal and not subjected to be Shared, but when Beliefs are formed that would be another Opinion that can be divulged"

English Translation to the Article attached:
Caracas, April 21, 2020. The journalist Maibort Petit explained in a thread published on the Twitter social network, the results of Delcy Rodríguez's trip to the island of Trinidad and Tobago. Ensuring that it was due to the purchase of gasoline.
"The results of Delcy Rodríguez's trip to Trinidad? The ALDAN ship rented by PDV Marina loaded 92 and 95 gasoline at the Paria terminal in Trinidad. PDVSA internal sources point out the business done by Wilmer Ruperti in this regard and that the destination would be Venezuela, ”Petit wrote.
He pointed out that Paria Fuel Trading Company (Ex-Petrotrin), a Trinidadian company that loaded the gasoline, would be serving as a purchase bridge to other countries to be taken to Venezuela.

PS; this is what was reported in a Foreign Newspaper and it is different from is being told to us, LOOK AT DATE OF ARTICLE

https://puntodecorte.com/trinidad-estar ... -gasolina/
maj. tom wrote:Nevertheless, the United States Government does not care about Moonilal's letter. I still think it was inappropriate. If anything it should have come from the Opposition Leader's Office and it should have been to the press with all documentation and laid before our own Parliament. The Opposition Leader could have then called for a closed door meeting with the PM... and maybe gain some points if the request was refused.

We alone have to solve our own problems internally. Why would the USA care about our infighting backwater stupid small politics? What would they even do to respond to the Moonilal?

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Re: PNM in Gov't -AH WHOLE 4 AND AH HALF YEARS LATER!!!!!

Postby De Dragon » May 6th, 2020, 2:14 pm

Gladiator wrote:On the other hand the opposition's job is to ask questions. This major development was first reported by a Venezuelan journalist. They did the necessary and asked the questions in the public domain and in the parliament.

But as the joke that we are... The speaker if the house refused the question. The US press published an article citing the issue and talked about investigations. Still our Govt quiet.

The letter was then sent to the US embassy...with the same questions that never got answered.

If the PNM is so righteous then just clear the air and speak the truth. Instead they want to spin the whole thing to blame the opposition.

The allegations are even more damning since there is now cocaine in the mix. What is our Govt really getting themselves involved in?

Then I am seeing this on FB this morning...

A lesson i learnt while giving Evidence on behalf of the State many Years ago in the Arima Magistrate Court before then Magistrate Reynold Waldropt;
"An Opinion is Personal and not subjected to be Shared, but when Beliefs are formed that would be another Opinion that can be divulged"

English Translation to the Article attached:
Caracas, April 21, 2020. The journalist Maibort Petit explained in a thread published on the Twitter social network, the results of Delcy Rodríguez's trip to the island of Trinidad and Tobago. Ensuring that it was due to the purchase of gasoline.
"The results of Delcy Rodríguez's trip to Trinidad? The ALDAN ship rented by PDV Marina loaded 92 and 95 gasoline at the Paria terminal in Trinidad. PDVSA internal sources point out the business done by Wilmer Ruperti in this regard and that the destination would be Venezuela, ”Petit wrote.
He pointed out that Paria Fuel Trading Company (Ex-Petrotrin), a Trinidadian company that loaded the gasoline, would be serving as a purchase bridge to other countries to be taken to Venezuela.

PS; this is what was reported in a Foreign Newspaper and it is different from is being told to us, LOOK AT DATE OF ARTICLE

https://puntodecorte.com/trinidad-estar ... -gasolina/
maj. tom wrote:Nevertheless, the United States Government does not care about Moonilal's letter. I still think it was inappropriate. If anything it should have come from the Opposition Leader's Office and it should have been to the press with all documentation and laid before our own Parliament. The Opposition Leader could have then called for a closed door meeting with the PM... and maybe gain some points if the request was refused.

We alone have to solve our own problems internally. Why would the USA care about our infighting backwater stupid small politics? What would they even do to respond to the Moonilal?

Not according to jackarses Goebbels Young and JUHN Scarfy. Opposition hard questions are a reflection of your fealty and patriotism, just like when they were in Opposition :roll: Only tunts needed for the tunts trifecta is Tight Shirt Arse-Wari with some treason accusation sheit.
Imagine JUHN Scarfy response is first "me eh know nuttin hee hee hee" to " I, Goebbels, Guy Smiley and de Speaker husband say so!" so it hadda be true, we being men of unquestionable integrity an truthfulness. Even De Van say so!

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Re: PNM in Gov't -AH WHOLE 4 AND AH HALF YEARS LATER!!!!!

Postby maj. tom » May 7th, 2020, 9:13 am

Dumas 'scandalised' by Moonilal's letter to US envoy
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Retired head of the public service Reginald Dumas says he is "deeply disappointed and scandalised" by UNC MP Dr Roodal Moonilal's letter to the US ambassador about the alleged sale of fuel from Paria Trading Fuel Company to Venezuela.

The Prime Minister, who has condemned Moonilal's action, denied any knowledge of TT making fuel sales to Venezuela.

Speaking to Newsday on Tuesday, Dumas said as someone who spent much of his working life representing TT, "I have to say I was deeply disappointed and scandalised by that letter, because you do not involve foreign governments in your internal affairs. "If the US wishes to investigate, then it will investigate, and it will approach the government of TT and say 'Could you tell us your side of the story?'"

Dumas called Moonilal's action as "out of place." He said as an Opposition MP, Moonilal should never have run to the US Government "giving the impression he is already siding with them and that the TT Government behaved in an illegal way. He does not know that that is so.

" And you do not, in any case, on your own, involve foreign governments and foreign powers in your affairs."

Dumas said if the Opposition is free to criticise the Government.

"But you must not run before any investigation is done, find the government guilty by saying that what they did was illegal, and call on the US Government, in essence, to intervene in our internal affairs. You do not do that."

Dumas said he was certain Moonilal wrote the letter to ambassador Joseph Mondello with the consent of Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar.

Dumas said if, in fact, the TT Government did turn a blind eye to the true destination of the shipment, knowing there are US sanctions against countries that trade with Venezuela, "then that is a government that will need to be examined very carefully, especially in an election year."

But he said at this point there is no evidence to suggest this was deliberate.

Dumas also said he is not "entirely comforted" by Energy Minister Franklin Khan's statement that the oil was sold to Aruba.

"I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, but there has to be some more digging and investigation."


https://newsday.co.tt/2020/05/06/dumas- ... -us-envoy/

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Re: PNM in Gov't -AH WHOLE 4 AND AH HALF YEARS LATER!!!!!

Postby maj. tom » May 7th, 2020, 9:23 am

Sounds just like when Trump asked Ukraine and China to investigate Biden.
Moonilal cudda ask Barbados and Guyana to investigate Rowley through Caricom.

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Postby Gladiator » May 7th, 2020, 9:28 am

Them blasted UNC Peoples...


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Postby Dizzy28 » May 7th, 2020, 9:41 am

maj. tom wrote:Sounds just like when Trump asked Ukraine and China to investigate Biden.
Moonilal cudda ask Barbados and Guyana to investigate Rowley through Caricom.


He should do nothing. His letter was done in capacity as only an MP. Even within his party there is Chief Whip and then Opposition Leader.

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Postby neilsingh100 » May 7th, 2020, 9:57 am

Gladiator wrote:Them blasted UNC Peoples...

These UNC ppl have too much time on their hands since the government closed all the rum shops.

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Postby zoom rader » May 7th, 2020, 10:28 am

neilsingh100 wrote:
Gladiator wrote:Them blasted UNC Peoples...

These UNC ppl have too much time on their hands since the government closed all the rum shops.
Why did you not say the same on e-mailgate

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Postby De Dragon » May 7th, 2020, 1:34 pm

I normally agree with Dumas's points of view but I respectfully disagree in this case. Political agendas aside, if someone has knowledge of a potentially illegal/unethical act, and they ask the question directly to the person supposedly most qualified to give the answer, and are arrogantly dismissed, what is the next step that should be taken? The US is leading the sanction front against Venezuela, and if your concern (temporarily ignoring the political points scored) is that we may face sanction because of the alleged illegality/unethicalness, isn't it your duty as a concerned citizen to raise it with them?
Dumas assumes that the US knows what is going on but with so many balls in the air, can we be sure of this? If they already knew, fine, but either way, JUHN Scarfy's responses have not been reassuring, nor even the same.

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Postby zoom rader » May 7th, 2020, 3:57 pm

I expect Rowlee will be the new orange

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Postby agent007 » May 7th, 2020, 4:22 pm

There is going to be a meeting with senior officials from both the US and T&T after the 15th. I would pay close attention to body language or any bit and piece of info you can dig up from it because that would be the time we as a people need to wake up and take decisive action for our own sake. This is far from over and whether you see things through a red or yellow lense, all of us in this melting pot of T&T together. Peter could end up paying for Paul. Do not play games with the US.

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Postby De Dragon » May 7th, 2020, 5:13 pm

agent007 wrote:There is going to be a meeting with senior officials from both the US and T&T after the 15th. I would pay close attention to body language or any bit and piece of info you can dig up from it because that would be the time we as a people need to wake up and take decisive action for our own sake. This is far from over and whether you see things through a red or yellow lense, all of us in this melting pot of T&T together. Peter could end up paying for Paul. Do not play games with the US.

That is precisely what our government is doing. Ordinarily, a calm, rational POTUS would see the desperation in the GORTT, and their deathly grip on any semblance of a revival of the Dragon Gas deal. However, you have Trump, who was just revealed to have pushed hydroxychloroquine based solely on a conversation with Larry Ellison of Oracle, so if the right person were to incite in him that this is something to look into (like the current US Ambassador who the PM is always denigrating), well we're in for a torrid time when we can least afford it.

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Postby agent007 » May 7th, 2020, 6:21 pm

You're absolutely right. Perhaps if it was Obama we might have stood a little chance in terms of rationalizing the entire situation but with Trump, sadly we all would be classified as one and the same. Don't forget how they labelled us when they found out that we contributed a lot of ISIS fighters.

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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » May 8th, 2020, 5:21 am

election has to be called by dec 22. Only a SOE could stop an election. I honestly believe they gonna drag it to the end

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Postby zoom rader » May 8th, 2020, 7:08 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:election has to be called by dec 22. Only a SOE could stop an election. I honestly believe they gonna drag it to the end
Not with Rowliar

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Postby De Dragon » May 8th, 2020, 7:14 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:election has to be called by dec 22. Only a SOE could stop an election. I honestly believe they gonna drag it to the end

JUHN Scarfy isn't calling any SOE to stop any GE.

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Postby agent007 » May 8th, 2020, 7:53 am

So the previous PM delayed the elections from May 2015 to September 2015 and now we are left to assume that the current PM will definitely stretch his term to December 2020. Sounds like a precedent.

I can't see with SD in effect, how 750,000 people out of the 1.1M electorate can all cast their vote in just 12 hrs. We definitely need an online voting option.

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Postby hydroep » May 8th, 2020, 8:42 am

Someone was suggesting we might get an early elections because of the deteriorating economy and the threat of this alleged T&T-Aruba-Venezuela gas deal blowing up in Sh!tkicker and dem face.

Plus they have some goodwill because of their handling of the COVID crisis and need to capitalize on that before the Trini 7-day memory kick in...:|

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Postby elec2020 » May 8th, 2020, 8:56 am

^ good point... if PNM calls election like july or even august i feel they will win as well based on the goodwill they have received... cause according tk surveys by Market Facts and Opinions people rate highly the job they have done....idk how... we have tested a fraction of our total population... but whatever... que sera sera

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Postby Gladiator » May 8th, 2020, 9:29 am

elec2020 wrote:^ good point... if PNM calls election like july or even august i feel they will win as well based on the goodwill they have received... cause according tk surveys by Market Facts and Opinions people rate highly the job they have done....idk how... we have tested a fraction of our total population... but whatever... que sera sera


Trinidad people easy to manipulate and fool...everything they did for COVID has had a political undertone and some was blatant like hampers in red balisier printed bags.

They have been doing background campaigning and they know that all the voting masses would see is free ting giving out and ah get to stay home with pay. Plus they get a good few opportunities to jab at the opposition... it will be a gamble, but an early election would be very interesting.

After all they have to capitalize on all that "free" COVID media air time and funding... it come like they run a 3 month campaign while the opposition was held at bay.

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Postby elec2020 » May 8th, 2020, 11:44 am

Gladiator wrote:
elec2020 wrote:^ good point... if PNM calls election like july or even august i feel they will win as well based on the goodwill they have received... cause according tk surveys by Market Facts and Opinions people rate highly the job they have done....idk how... we have tested a fraction of our total population... but whatever... que sera sera


Trinidad people easy to manipulate and fool...everything they did for COVID has had a political undertone and some was blatant like hampers in red balisier printed bags.

They have been doing background campaigning and they know that all the voting masses would see is free ting giving out and ah get to stay home with pay. Plus they get a good few opportunities to jab at the opposition... it will be a gamble, but an early election would be very interesting.

After all they have to capitalize on all that "free" COVID media air time and funding... it come like they run a 3 month campaign while the opposition was held at bay.


Agreee... also unlike PEP and UNC they have no manifestos atm promising TnT the world... i think most sensible people know that right now anything u promise me is a lie... plants closing down... oil price at record lows... people losing their jobs all over... but u have resources to upgrade the harbor in Tobago and put in wells and distribution centers in all 41 consituencies in TnT.... sure

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Postby Musical Doc » May 8th, 2020, 2:21 pm

On the other hand, would PNM really want to win an election with the way the economy crashing? An option for them would be to get all they could from the hsf now and then let UNC win election and let them struggle to handle the economy while PNM pockets full... Just a thought....

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Postby elec2020 » May 8th, 2020, 3:14 pm

^ the legislation they wanna pass would limit hsf withdrawals to 1 or 1.5 billion a year... it would take 4/5 years to done out the HSF so yh... folloqing youe comment on raiding the HSF... they would want to win

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