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So who won the pandemic debate?

Poll ended at August 3rd, 2023, 3:48 pm

Antivaxxers - Ah still alive! babylon cyah kill me!
6
43%
Covidians - Small pin does chook hard but it save the world.
6
43%
Me eh care - Allyuh keep arguing nah man, ah wining on dis bumper right here.
2
14%
 
Total votes: 14

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

Postby adnj » April 22nd, 2023, 12:13 pm

drchaos wrote:
sMASH wrote:
adnj wrote:
drchaos wrote:And yet, even after nearly everyone in T&T has been infected with SARS-CoV-2 at least once, so nearly everyone must have natural immunity, unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated.




"unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated. "

You have no accurate data to make this claim since no one is testing for said virus anymore and you have no data to show who has natural immunity and people who don't.

So false claims again.
What's your estimate, Dr. Mengele? Oh, statistics aren't good enough for you? They skewed the data? Big pharma lied to us??


We estimate that 97% of people in Region of the Americas have been infected at least once as of December 12. Effective R, computed using cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, is greater than 1 in 28 countries and 89 subnational locations.

https://www.healthdata.org/sites/defaul ... icas-2.pdf
Virus dud more to prevent hospitalization than the chemicals did.


Yup natural immunity holding up well
No one is vaccinating and everyone is getting infected.
Third world with low vaccine rates didn't have mass extinction events. All is well.


And yet, those same third world people that only have natural immunity that are living in the Caribbean are still dying 8x faster than the ones that were vaccinated.

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby j.o.e » April 22nd, 2023, 12:31 pm

This debate still raging ? Y’all have issues

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

Postby Carbon12 » April 22nd, 2023, 12:39 pm

adnj wrote:
drchaos wrote:
sMASH wrote:
adnj wrote:
drchaos wrote:And yet, even after nearly everyone in T&T has been infected with SARS-CoV-2 at least once, so nearly everyone must have natural immunity, unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated.




"unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated. "

You have no accurate data to make this claim since no one is testing for said virus anymore and you have no data to show who has natural immunity and people who don't.

So false claims again.
What's your estimate, Dr. Mengele? Oh, statistics aren't good enough for you? They skewed the data? Big pharma lied to us??


We estimate that 97% of people in Region of the Americas have been infected at least once as of December 12. Effective R, computed using cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, is greater than 1 in 28 countries and 89 subnational locations.

https://www.healthdata.org/sites/defaul ... icas-2.pdf
Virus dud more to prevent hospitalization than the chemicals did.


Yup natural immunity holding up well
No one is vaccinating and everyone is getting infected.
Third world with low vaccine rates didn't have mass extinction events. All is well.


And yet, those same third world people that only have natural immunity that are living in the Caribbean are still dying 8x faster than the ones that were vaccinated.


Little to no ppl care about covid unless you were unhealthy before. The average healthy human have bigger issues to deal with atm, for example the rising cost of living and the spike in crime. Keep living in your "safe zone" adnj and let the ppl who want to dead 8x faster have their choice to do so. For heavens sake we all hadda go someday. I for one have moved on from this vaccine apartheid and you all should do the same.

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby The_Honourable » April 22nd, 2023, 1:27 pm

j.o.e wrote:This debate still raging ? Y’all have issues


Dey fighting to get the last word nuh...

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

Postby adnj » April 22nd, 2023, 3:23 pm

Carbon12 wrote:Little to no ppl care about covid unless you were unhealthy before. The average healthy human have bigger issues to deal with atm, for example the rising cost of living and the spike in crime. Keep living in your "safe zone" adnj and let the ppl who want to dead 8x faster have their choice to do so. For heavens sake we all hadda go someday. I for one have moved on from this vaccine apartheid and you all should do the same.


Huh?

Vaccine apartheid is the gap in vaccine distribution between wealthy countries and low- and middle-income countries across Latin America, Africa, and Asia.

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby sMASH » April 22nd, 2023, 9:04 pm

There is no debate.
Ad soon as the Vax hit, the death rate spiked, as soon as omicron took hold the death rate plumeted



Just waiting for more autopsy and biopsy to. Show the spike protein damage leading to 'suddenly collapsed'

The clock is ticking on these mrna cash grab.

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby adnj » April 22nd, 2023, 10:20 pm

sMASH wrote:There is no debate.
As soon as delta became the successor variant (Nov 2021), daily deaths had surged.

By the time that omicron became the successor variant (July 2022):
- fully vaccinated was 50%
- variant-specific immunity to omicron was 70%
- variant-specific immunity to delta was 90%
- serious infections and deaths fell due to vaccination and previous infection as expected.

https://www.healthdata.org/sites/defaul ... Tobago.pdf


Corrected.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

Postby Carbon12 » April 22nd, 2023, 11:37 pm

adnj wrote:
Carbon12 wrote:Little to no ppl care about covid unless you were unhealthy before. The average healthy human have bigger issues to deal with atm, for example the rising cost of living and the spike in crime. Keep living in your "safe zone" adnj and let the ppl who want to dead 8x faster have their choice to do so. For heavens sake we all hadda go someday. I for one have moved on from this vaccine apartheid and you all should do the same.


Huh?

Vaccine apartheid is the gap in vaccine distribution between wealthy countries and low- and middle-income countries across Latin America, Africa, and Asia.


All dem expired vaccines affecting you awa?
I honestly think you are a hero, because you are willing to sacrifice yourself for the greater good, just wish you could do us all the favour though.

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby sMASH » April 23rd, 2023, 5:36 am

adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:There is no debate.
As soon as delta became the successor variant (Nov 2021), daily deaths had surged.

By the time that omicron became the successor variant (July 2022):
- fully vaccinated was 50%
- variant-specific immunity to omicron was 70%
- variant-specific immunity to delta was 90%
- serious infections and deaths fell due to vaccination and previous infection as expected.

https://www.healthdata.org/sites/defaul ... Tobago.pdf


Corrected.
Deaths didn't drop by 50% it dropped to the bottom of the charts... Protecting all but the severely compromised.

Unless u want to say, one person taking the jab was protecting another person... That goes against the present 'updated' 'science'


Still have to fix the spike at the start of the Vax program.

Labeling Vax deaths automatically as covid deaths because it happened with a time period after the the jab, hid many stats.






Need to go back tru the stats, and see how many persons who TOOK the jab died. Not who is 'considered' faxed.

Cause according to their labeling I fall into the category of partially vaxed.
Blasted propaganda.

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby ruffneck_12 » April 24th, 2023, 9:15 am

aye essay boss adjn

Covid done

Reposting the link for you:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... andemic-3/


You trust the experts right? Or you know better than the same 'scientists' you keep citing sources from?

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby redmanjp » April 24th, 2023, 8:47 pm

corruption with covid death certificates- just look at how many ppl in the comment section had loved ones wrongly labelled as a covid death.


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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby ruffneck_12 » April 25th, 2023, 7:45 am

By DOCTOR Scott Jensen

Are doctors some kind of expert?

Hmm I do wonder

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby sMASH » April 25th, 2023, 10:14 am

Some pregnancy statistics...
10% increase in hazards is way more than 3% at risk to be protected from...
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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby sMASH » April 25th, 2023, 10:16 am

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby ed360123 » April 25th, 2023, 10:57 am

And what are we supposed to take away from random unsourced screenshots?

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby sMASH » April 25th, 2023, 11:35 am

That since the 'jab' higher rates of negative pregnancy outcomes.

Thsts from the official medical stats in uk.

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby adnj » April 25th, 2023, 11:46 am

Antivax poster child labeled a liar by peers.

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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo personally altered a state-driven study about Covid-19 vaccines last year to suggest that some doses pose a significantly higher health risk for young men than had been established by the broader medical community, according to a newly obtained document.

Ladapo’s changes, released as part of a public records request, presented the risks of cardiac death to be more severe than previous versions of the study. He later used the final document in October to bolster disputed claims that Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were dangerous to young men.

The surgeon general, a well-known Covid-19 vaccine skeptic, faced a backlash from the medical community after he made the assertions, which go against guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and American Academy of Pediatrics. But Ladapo’s statements aligned well with Gov. Ron DeSantis’ stance against mandatory Covid-19 vaccination.

Researchers with the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and University of Florida, who viewed Ladapo’s edits on the study and have followed the issue closely, criticized the surgeon general for making the changes. One said it appears Ladapo altered the study out of political — not scientific — concerns.

“I think it’s a lie,” Matt Hitchings, an assistant professor of biostatistics at the University of Florida, said of Ladapo’s assertion that the Covid-19 vaccine causes cardiac death in young men. “To say this — based on what we’ve seen, and how this analysis was made — it’s a lie.”


https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/2 ... e-00093510

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Postby zorced » April 25th, 2023, 12:21 pm

sMASH wrote:That since the 'jab' higher rates of negative pregnancy outcomes.

Thsts from the official medical stats in uk.


Is there data to differentiate unvaccinated from vaccinated women in that Scotland FOIA response or elsewhere?

You would need that to suggest those excess risks because the disease itself can cause the same effects and the timelines overlap.

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby sMASH » April 25th, 2023, 1:26 pm

In one of the screen grabs, thdy said its onky by foia, shared costs, and limiting how thst data is released to the public.


The data iz there, but made unattractive to attempt to access.




They already know who vaxrd, cause its digitized, its to verify that with the list of deaths.

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby ed360123 » April 25th, 2023, 9:06 pm

sMASH wrote:That since the 'jab' higher rates of negative pregnancy outcomes.

Thsts from the official medical stats in uk.
Correlation does not equal causation.

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby ruffneck_12 » April 26th, 2023, 11:25 am

ed360123 wrote:
sMASH wrote:That since the 'jab' higher rates of negative pregnancy outcomes.

Thsts from the official medical stats in uk.
Correlation does not equal causation.



How come so many women came forward saying they had menstrual cycle disruptions upon taking the jab?

Is the menstrual cycle connected to the reproductive system by chance? Askin for a fren

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby sMASH » April 26th, 2023, 11:51 am

ruffneck_12 wrote:
ed360123 wrote:
sMASH wrote:That since the 'jab' higher rates of negative pregnancy outcomes.

Thsts from the official medical stats in uk.
Correlation does not equal causation.



How come so many women came forward saying they had menstrual cycle disruptions upon taking the jab?

Is the menstrual cycle connected to the reproductive system by chance? Askin for a fren
Thwt is why they hid the Vax status info behind FOIA. and u need to agree to their terms of information release.


Id there was nithing to hide, that info would DISPEL all rumors.


But the vax is causing micro lesions, and blood clots, and over time is affefting many people in various ways.

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby adnj » April 26th, 2023, 3:48 pm

No association between out-of-hospital cardiac arrest and COVID-19 vaccination, show study

APRIL 26, 2023

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Victorian cardiovascular disease (CVD) experts have found no association between out-of-hospital cardiac arrests and COVID-19 vaccinations.

The study, published this week in Circulation, is one of the larger of its kind thanks to a unique registry set up in Victoria in 2019 to examine out-of-hospital cardiac arrests.

Potential cardiac complications of COVID-19 vaccination have created global concern, with CVD experts keen to document and share scientific evidence around this issue.

The Australian researchers' analysis did not show increased rates of out-of-hospital cardiac arrest, fatal myocarditis or unascertained out-of-hospital cardiac arrest either during the pandemic or following the introduction of nationally mandated COVID-19 vaccination.

Baker Heart and Diabetes Institute researcher and cardiologist Dr. Liz Paratz said her team examined whether rates of out-of-hospital cardiac arrest (OHCA) in young people, particularly those due to unascertained causes or myocarditis, increased after COVID-19 vaccination commenced. Causes of sudden death in young people within 30 days of their COVID-19 vaccination were also examined.

She said the combination of Australia's high rates of community vaccination (98.1% receiving a first dose of COVID-19 vaccination), prolonged lockdowns and relatively low community COVID-19 transmission created an optimal setting to assess OHCA rates following the introduction of widespread vaccination.

Dr. Paratz said although COVID-19 vaccinations have been associated with cardiac complications such as myocarditis or pericarditis, no variation was seen in median monthly rates of OHCA, myocarditis causing OHCA or unascertained OHCA according to the defined time periods. She said the majority of these episodes have been reported to be mild, with the data showing no rise in death rates from it.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-04- ... ation.html

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby ruffneck_12 » April 26th, 2023, 4:04 pm

ohhhhh a study shows


Which study did the US government use to lift all restrictions and mandates?

If it's so serious, why isn't the USA mandating that everyone should take it? Is their government not experts in the matter? Are they not so advanced that they put men on the moon in 1969?

Surely they must be smart enough to recognize the dangers of such a horrible virus that they would make the jab and all restrictions mandatory :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Postby sMASH » April 26th, 2023, 7:05 pm

So, the AVERAGE REMAINS tye same, but they admit that vaxes cause myocarditis etc... So if the average remains the same, that means covee REDUCING myocarditis...


Lol

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Postby adnj » April 26th, 2023, 7:41 pm

sMASH wrote:So, the AVERAGE REMAINS tye same, but they admit that vaxes cause myocarditis etc... So if the average remains the same, that means covee REDUCING myocarditis...


Lol
"98.1% receiving a first dose of COVID-19 vaccination, prolonged lockdowns and relatively low community COVID-19 transmission created an optimal setting to assess OHCA rates following the introduction of widespread vaccination."

Australia experienced very, very low COVID infections and deaths prior to January 2022.

By January 2022, nearly 90% of the population had been given at least one vaccine dose.

With very, very few COVID infections on the continent, there were no observed differences when comparing outcomes prior to vaccine availability and outcomes for the year that nearly 90% of the population was given at least one dose of COVID vaccinations.

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby ruffneck_12 » April 27th, 2023, 8:03 am

aye covid done boy

The experts have spoken

All hail the almighty experts, we can finally move on with our lives....


Or are you saying that the experts are wrong?



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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby drchaos » May 2nd, 2023, 12:39 am

adnj wrote:No association between out-of-hospital cardiac arrest and COVID-19 vaccination, show study

APRIL 26, 2023

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Victorian cardiovascular disease (CVD) experts have found no association between out-of-hospital cardiac arrests and COVID-19 vaccinations.

The study, published this week in Circulation, is one of the larger of its kind thanks to a unique registry set up in Victoria in 2019 to examine out-of-hospital cardiac arrests.

Potential cardiac complications of COVID-19 vaccination have created global concern, with CVD experts keen to document and share scientific evidence around this issue.

The Australian researchers' analysis did not show increased rates of out-of-hospital cardiac arrest, fatal myocarditis or unascertained out-of-hospital cardiac arrest either during the pandemic or following the introduction of nationally mandated COVID-19 vaccination.

Baker Heart and Diabetes Institute researcher and cardiologist Dr. Liz Paratz said her team examined whether rates of out-of-hospital cardiac arrest (OHCA) in young people, particularly those due to unascertained causes or myocarditis, increased after COVID-19 vaccination commenced. Causes of sudden death in young people within 30 days of their COVID-19 vaccination were also examined.

She said the combination of Australia's high rates of community vaccination (98.1% receiving a first dose of COVID-19 vaccination), prolonged lockdowns and relatively low community COVID-19 transmission created an optimal setting to assess OHCA rates following the introduction of widespread vaccination.

Dr. Paratz said although COVID-19 vaccinations have been associated with cardiac complications such as myocarditis or pericarditis, no variation was seen in median monthly rates of OHCA, myocarditis causing OHCA or unascertained OHCA according to the defined time periods. She said the majority of these episodes have been reported to be mild, with the data showing no rise in death rates from it.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-04- ... ation.html


What about In-Hospital Cardiac arrests??? Why leave out this key data set???
Smells like the fembot is trying to hide something. :lol:

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Re: Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

Postby j.o.e » May 2nd, 2023, 9:13 am

Imagine thinking that every ailment now is connected to the vaxx. Like if before our obese, diabetic and cholesterol ridden population wasn’t weighing down the health system with NCDs
Covid done, let it go nah fellas

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D official Ice Cream Thread

Postby ruffneck_12 » May 2nd, 2023, 1:32 pm

Imagine thinking that pfizer wanted to seal the whitepapers for 50+ years because they had nothing to hide

ur right we hadda let it go fellas

This is now the ice cream thread. Whats ur favorite flavorite?

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