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sMASH wrote:They are published by liars. They get paid to publish skewed stats.
Get jabbed, do ur part to stop the spread today!adnj wrote:sMASH wrote:They are published by liars. They get paid to publish skewed stats.
You keep on looking. You might get lucky.
adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:
He is lying as usual ... Natural immunity does not "fade" as he stated.
Your antibodies will reduce over time but your memory cells to produce said antibodies increase significantly and stick around forever.
When they talk about natural immunity they only speak about antibody response
When they speak about artificially induced immunity they conveniently include memory B cells with the antibody response.
Its basically being intellectually dishonest.
You must be a very smart person to know so much about B-cell immune response in COVID-19. I'm sure you have a lot of credentials and publications to back up your claims. Oh wait, you don't? You're just spreading misinformation about vaccines? That's not funny at all.
First of all, studies that compare immune responses between vaccinated and unvaccinated people are not published by liars. They are published by reputable scientists and peer-reviewed journals that follow rigorous standards of quality and ethics. These studies show that covid vaccines are safe and effective in preventing severe disease and death caused by SARS-CoV-2.
B-cell response is important, but it's not the only factor that determines protection from infection or re-infection. T-cell response, neutralizing antibodies, memory cells, and other aspects of the immune system also play a role.
Second, these studies do consider B-cell immune response in people who have been infected and in people who have been vaccinated. B-cells produce antibodies that bind to and neutralize the virus. B-cells also form memory cells that can quickly produce more antibodies if they encounter the virus again. Both natural infection and vaccination can induce B-cell immune response, but vaccination has several advantages over natural infection.
One advantage is that vaccination can induce a stronger and more consistent B-cell immune response than natural infection. This is because vaccines are designed to elicit a high level of antibodies against the most important part of the virus, the spike protein, which is responsible for attaching to and entering human cells. Natural infection, on the other hand, can vary in the amount and quality of antibodies produced depending on the viral load, the duration of infection, and the genetic diversity of the virus.
Another advantage is that vaccination can induce a more durable B-cell immune response than natural infection. This is because vaccines can stimulate the formation of long-lived plasma cells and memory B-cells that can persist for months or even years after vaccination. Natural infection, on the other hand, can result in a rapid decline of antibodies after recovery, especially in mild cases.
A third advantage is that vaccination can induce a more broad B-cell immune response than natural infection. This is because vaccines can protect against multiple variants of the virus that may have different mutations in the spike protein. Natural infection, on the other hand, can only provide protection against the specific variant that caused the infection, which may not be effective against new variants that emerge over time.
Therefore, vaccination is a much better way to achieve B-cell immune response and protection against COVID-19 than natural infection.
I can't say that I know where you are getting your opinions from but I hope that you stop listening to the people that pretend to to be informed medical doctors simply because they share you bias against COVID vaccines. They, and you, are not only ignorant but also irresponsible and dangerous.
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And yet, even after nearly everyone in T&T has been infected with SARS-CoV-2 at least once, so nearly everyone must have natural immunity, unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated.drchaos wrote:adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:
He is lying as usual ... Natural immunity does not "fade" as he stated.
Your antibodies will reduce over time but your memory cells to produce said antibodies increase significantly and stick around forever.
When they talk about natural immunity they only speak about antibody response
When they speak about artificially induced immunity they conveniently include memory B cells with the antibody response.
Its basically being intellectually dishonest.
You must be a very smart person to know so much about B-cell immune response in COVID-19. I'm sure you have a lot of credentials and publications to back up your claims. Oh wait, you don't? You're just spreading misinformation about vaccines? That's not funny at all.
First of all, studies that compare immune responses between vaccinated and unvaccinated people are not published by liars. They are published by reputable scientists and peer-reviewed journals that follow rigorous standards of quality and ethics. These studies show that covid vaccines are safe and effective in preventing severe disease and death caused by SARS-CoV-2.
B-cell response is important, but it's not the only factor that determines protection from infection or re-infection. T-cell response, neutralizing antibodies, memory cells, and other aspects of the immune system also play a role.
Second, these studies do consider B-cell immune response in people who have been infected and in people who have been vaccinated. B-cells produce antibodies that bind to and neutralize the virus. B-cells also form memory cells that can quickly produce more antibodies if they encounter the virus again. Both natural infection and vaccination can induce B-cell immune response, but vaccination has several advantages over natural infection.
One advantage is that vaccination can induce a stronger and more consistent B-cell immune response than natural infection. This is because vaccines are designed to elicit a high level of antibodies against the most important part of the virus, the spike protein, which is responsible for attaching to and entering human cells. Natural infection, on the other hand, can vary in the amount and quality of antibodies produced depending on the viral load, the duration of infection, and the genetic diversity of the virus.
Another advantage is that vaccination can induce a more durable B-cell immune response than natural infection. This is because vaccines can stimulate the formation of long-lived plasma cells and memory B-cells that can persist for months or even years after vaccination. Natural infection, on the other hand, can result in a rapid decline of antibodies after recovery, especially in mild cases.
A third advantage is that vaccination can induce a more broad B-cell immune response than natural infection. This is because vaccines can protect against multiple variants of the virus that may have different mutations in the spike protein. Natural infection, on the other hand, can only provide protection against the specific variant that caused the infection, which may not be effective against new variants that emerge over time.
Therefore, vaccination is a much better way to achieve B-cell immune response and protection against COVID-19 than natural infection.
I can't say that I know where you are getting your opinions from but I hope that you stop listening to the people that pretend to to be informed medical doctors simply because they share you bias against COVID vaccines. They, and you, are not only ignorant but also irresponsible and dangerous.
Lets pick apart this bull sheit lol
Advantage one
you said Vaccines produce antibodies to the most important part of the virus ... SO the other antigen targets/proteins on the virus are not important??? Bull sheit ... Its is well know that the N Protein was very responsible for inducing the cytokine storm in the Lungs of humans ... SO a protein that f#%ks up your lung ... not important ... Right .... So natural immunity gives you a broad spectrum of antibodies to all the viral proteins and vaccines give you antibodies to one viral protein ... Real advantage there
Advantage number two listed that vaccines induce long lived B cells ... Natural immunity does this too and you get B cells to all the antigens not just the spike protein. Virus wants to mutate the spike protein? your natural immunity has other antigenic targets. Also Vaccine and Natural immunity drop off antibodies in the blood within 6 months of infection. So more lies.
Your Third advantage has also been disproved since mutations of the virus has removed most protection of the vaccine from neutralizing any further infection.
The proof for natural immunity is in the pudding ... The whole world is being protected now by natural immunity since everyone is getting natural boosters via infection rather than relying on costly and experimental vaccines.
SO lol keep on braying
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Fully vaxed and thise who died after one jab...adnj wrote:And yet, even after nearly everyone in T&T has been infected with SARS-CoV-2 at least once, so nearly everyone must have natural immunity, unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated.drchaos wrote:adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:
He is lying as usual ... Natural immunity does not "fade" as he stated.
Your antibodies will reduce over time but your memory cells to produce said antibodies increase significantly and stick around forever.
When they talk about natural immunity they only speak about antibody response
When they speak about artificially induced immunity they conveniently include memory B cells with the antibody response.
Its basically being intellectually dishonest.
You must be a very smart person to know so much about B-cell immune response in COVID-19. I'm sure you have a lot of credentials and publications to back up your claims. Oh wait, you don't? You're just spreading misinformation about vaccines? That's not funny at all.
First of all, studies that compare immune responses between vaccinated and unvaccinated people are not published by liars. They are published by reputable scientists and peer-reviewed journals that follow rigorous standards of quality and ethics. These studies show that covid vaccines are safe and effective in preventing severe disease and death caused by SARS-CoV-2.
B-cell response is important, but it's not the only factor that determines protection from infection or re-infection. T-cell response, neutralizing antibodies, memory cells, and other aspects of the immune system also play a role.
Second, these studies do consider B-cell immune response in people who have been infected and in people who have been vaccinated. B-cells produce antibodies that bind to and neutralize the virus. B-cells also form memory cells that can quickly produce more antibodies if they encounter the virus again. Both natural infection and vaccination can induce B-cell immune response, but vaccination has several advantages over natural infection.
One advantage is that vaccination can induce a stronger and more consistent B-cell immune response than natural infection. This is because vaccines are designed to elicit a high level of antibodies against the most important part of the virus, the spike protein, which is responsible for attaching to and entering human cells. Natural infection, on the other hand, can vary in the amount and quality of antibodies produced depending on the viral load, the duration of infection, and the genetic diversity of the virus.
Another advantage is that vaccination can induce a more durable B-cell immune response than natural infection. This is because vaccines can stimulate the formation of long-lived plasma cells and memory B-cells that can persist for months or even years after vaccination. Natural infection, on the other hand, can result in a rapid decline of antibodies after recovery, especially in mild cases.
A third advantage is that vaccination can induce a more broad B-cell immune response than natural infection. This is because vaccines can protect against multiple variants of the virus that may have different mutations in the spike protein. Natural infection, on the other hand, can only provide protection against the specific variant that caused the infection, which may not be effective against new variants that emerge over time.
Therefore, vaccination is a much better way to achieve B-cell immune response and protection against COVID-19 than natural infection.
I can't say that I know where you are getting your opinions from but I hope that you stop listening to the people that pretend to to be informed medical doctors simply because they share you bias against COVID vaccines. They, and you, are not only ignorant but also irresponsible and dangerous.
Lets pick apart this bull sheit lol
Advantage one
you said Vaccines produce antibodies to the most important part of the virus ... SO the other antigen targets/proteins on the virus are not important??? Bull sheit ... Its is well know that the N Protein was very responsible for inducing the cytokine storm in the Lungs of humans ... SO a protein that f#%ks up your lung ... not important ... Right .... So natural immunity gives you a broad spectrum of antibodies to all the viral proteins and vaccines give you antibodies to one viral protein ... Real advantage there
Advantage number two listed that vaccines induce long lived B cells ... Natural immunity does this too and you get B cells to all the antigens not just the spike protein. Virus wants to mutate the spike protein? your natural immunity has other antigenic targets. Also Vaccine and Natural immunity drop off antibodies in the blood within 6 months of infection. So more lies.
Your Third advantage has also been disproved since mutations of the virus has removed most protection of the vaccine from neutralizing any further infection.
The proof for natural immunity is in the pudding ... The whole world is being protected now by natural immunity since everyone is getting natural boosters via infection rather than relying on costly and experimental vaccines.
SO lol keep on braying
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Seems like Joe ain't the only one that's sleepy.ruffneck_12 wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62959089
So Sleepy Joe has declared that the the pandemic is over
The experts has spoken, yall listen to the experts right? The experts has said the pandemic is over.
However I disagree! We need to be taking 10 vaxes minimum and keeping 20 ft away from our family members and triple masking even if we're alone in our cars!
Dis virus rel deadly allyuhhhhh, wa we go doooo
adnj wrote:Seems like Joe ain't the only one that's sleepy.ruffneck_12 wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62959089
So Sleepy Joe has declared that the the pandemic is over
The experts has spoken, yall listen to the experts right? The experts has said the pandemic is over.
However I disagree! We need to be taking 10 vaxes minimum and keeping 20 ft away from our family members and triple masking even if we're alone in our cars!
Dis virus rel deadly allyuhhhhh, wa we go doooo
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And yet, even after nearly everyone in T&T has been infected with SARS-CoV-2 at least once, so nearly everyone must have natural immunity, unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated.adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:
He is lying as usual ... Natural immunity does not "fade" as he stated.
Your antibodies will reduce over time but your memory cells to produce said antibodies increase significantly and stick around forever.
When they talk about natural immunity they only speak about antibody response
When they speak about artificially induced immunity they conveniently include memory B cells with the antibody response.
Its basically being intellectually dishonest.
You must be a very smart person to know so much about B-cell immune response in COVID-19. I'm sure you have a lot of credentials and publications to back up your claims. Oh wait, you don't? You're just spreading misinformation about vaccines? That's not funny at all.
First of all, studies that compare immune responses between vaccinated and unvaccinated people are not published by liars. They are published by reputable scientists and peer-reviewed journals that follow rigorous standards of quality and ethics. These studies show that covid vaccines are safe and effective in preventing severe disease and death caused by SARS-CoV-2.
B-cell response is important, but it's not the only factor that determines protection from infection or re-infection. T-cell response, neutralizing antibodies, memory cells, and other aspects of the immune system also play a role.
Second, these studies do consider B-cell immune response in people who have been infected and in people who have been vaccinated. B-cells produce antibodies that bind to and neutralize the virus. B-cells also form memory cells that can quickly produce more antibodies if they encounter the virus again. Both natural infection and vaccination can induce B-cell immune response, but vaccination has several advantages over natural infection.
One advantage is that vaccination can induce a stronger and more consistent B-cell immune response than natural infection. This is because vaccines are designed to elicit a high level of antibodies against the most important part of the virus, the spike protein, which is responsible for attaching to and entering human cells. Natural infection, on the other hand, can vary in the amount and quality of antibodies produced depending on the viral load, the duration of infection, and the genetic diversity of the virus.
Another advantage is that vaccination can induce a more durable B-cell immune response than natural infection. This is because vaccines can stimulate the formation of long-lived plasma cells and memory B-cells that can persist for months or even years after vaccination. Natural infection, on the other hand, can result in a rapid decline of antibodies after recovery, especially in mild cases.
A third advantage is that vaccination can induce a more broad B-cell immune response than natural infection. This is because vaccines can protect against multiple variants of the virus that may have different mutations in the spike protein. Natural infection, on the other hand, can only provide protection against the specific variant that caused the infection, which may not be effective against new variants that emerge over time.
Therefore, vaccination is a much better way to achieve B-cell immune response and protection against COVID-19 than natural infection.
I can't say that I know where you are getting your opinions from but I hope that you stop listening to the people that pretend to to be informed medical doctors simply because they share you bias against COVID vaccines. They, and you, are not only ignorant but also irresponsible and dangerous.
Lets pick apart this bull sheit lol
Advantage one
you said Vaccines produce antibodies to the most important part of the virus ... SO the other antigen targets/proteins on the virus are not important??? Bull sheit ... Its is well know that the N Protein was very responsible for inducing the cytokine storm in the Lungs of humans ... SO a protein that f#%ks up your lung ... not important ... Right .... So natural immunity gives you a broad spectrum of antibodies to all the viral proteins and vaccines give you antibodies to one viral protein ... Real advantage there
Advantage number two listed that vaccines induce long lived B cells ... Natural immunity does this too and you get B cells to all the antigens not just the spike protein. Virus wants to mutate the spike protein? your natural immunity has other antigenic targets. Also Vaccine and Natural immunity drop off antibodies in the blood within 6 months of infection. So more lies.
Your Third advantage has also been disproved since mutations of the virus has removed most protection of the vaccine from neutralizing any further infection.
The proof for natural immunity is in the pudding ... The whole world is being protected now by natural immunity since everyone is getting natural boosters via infection rather than relying on costly and experimental vaccines.
SO lol keep on braying
What's your estimate, Dr. Mengele? Oh, statistics aren't good enough for you? They skewed the data? Big pharma lied to us??drchaos wrote:And yet, even after nearly everyone in T&T has been infected with SARS-CoV-2 at least once, so nearly everyone must have natural immunity, unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated.
"unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated. "
You have no accurate data to make this claim since no one is testing for said virus anymore and you have no data to show who has natural immunity and people who don't.
So false claims again.
We estimate that 97% of people in Region of the Americas have been infected at least once as of December 12. Effective R, computed using cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, is greater than 1 in 28 countries and 89 subnational locations.
https://www.healthdata.org/sites/defaul ... icas-2.pdf
ruffneck_12 wrote:Ey allyuh stop arguing
Covid done,
The experts say covid done.
Why allyuh still arguing?
drchaos wrote:ruffneck_12 wrote:Ey allyuh stop arguing
Covid done,
The experts say covid done.
Why allyuh still arguing?
I know ... I know but when you bored
best thing is to come on here and rile up chest bun Maj tom, the Obese dragon and the Chat bot adnj
drchaos wrote:ruffneck_12 wrote:Ey allyuh stop arguing
Covid done,
The experts say covid done.
Why allyuh still arguing?
I know ... I know but when you bored
best thing is to come on here and rile up chest bun Maj tom, the Obese dragon and the Chat bot adnj
Virus dud more to prevent hospitalization than the chemicals did.adnj wrote:What's your estimate, Dr. Mengele? Oh, statistics aren't good enough for you? They skewed the data? Big pharma lied to us??drchaos wrote:And yet, even after nearly everyone in T&T has been infected with SARS-CoV-2 at least once, so nearly everyone must have natural immunity, unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated.
"unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated. "
You have no accurate data to make this claim since no one is testing for said virus anymore and you have no data to show who has natural immunity and people who don't.
So false claims again.We estimate that 97% of people in Region of the Americas have been infected at least once as of December 12. Effective R, computed using cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, is greater than 1 in 28 countries and 89 subnational locations.
https://www.healthdata.org/sites/defaul ... icas-2.pdf
sMASH wrote:Virus killed 1,000,000× more people than the chemicals did.
*figures fudged by labelling those dying after the first jab automatically covid deaths.*adnj wrote:sMASH wrote:Virus killed 1,000,000× more people than the chemicals did.
Corrected.
sMASH wrote:Virus dud more to prevent hospitalization than the chemicals did.adnj wrote:What's your estimate, Dr. Mengele? Oh, statistics aren't good enough for you? They skewed the data? Big pharma lied to us??drchaos wrote:And yet, even after nearly everyone in T&T has been infected with SARS-CoV-2 at least once, so nearly everyone must have natural immunity, unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated.
"unvaccinated people continue to die at about 8× the rate of people that are fully vaccinated. "
You have no accurate data to make this claim since no one is testing for said virus anymore and you have no data to show who has natural immunity and people who don't.
So false claims again.We estimate that 97% of people in Region of the Americas have been infected at least once as of December 12. Effective R, computed using cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, is greater than 1 in 28 countries and 89 subnational locations.
https://www.healthdata.org/sites/defaul ... icas-2.pdf
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