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That is the role of the government spending money in a perpetual motion with continuous losses wouldn't be the first or last initiative which is why I'm so confused why are ppl NOW concerned about government expenditureDe Dragon wrote:hover11 wrote:Can you read, Alta is reopening soon you clearly saw I put vaccine hesitant need to be accomodatedst7 wrote:hover - vaccines are sheit. all vaccinated ppl still get covid and infect others, cook my own food, fix my own car, have mba in ba
also hover - govt better have vaccines even when we antivaxxers not going for it and it expiring
i get that right?
Not in perpetuity, and not in those numbers that we're currently carrying.
De Dragon wrote:hover11 wrote:Can you read, Alta is reopening soon you clearly saw I put vaccine hesitant need to be accomodatedst7 wrote:hover - vaccines are sheit. all vaccinated ppl still get covid and infect others, cook my own food, fix my own car, have mba in ba
also hover - govt better have vaccines even when we antivaxxers not going for it and it expiring
i get that right?
Not in perpetuity, and not in those numbers that we're currently carrying.
hover11 wrote:Can you read, Alta is reopening soon you clearly saw I put vaccine hesitant need to be accomodatedst7 wrote:hover - vaccines are sheit. all vaccinated ppl still get covid and infect others, cook my own food, fix my own car, have mba in ba
also hover - govt better have vaccines even when we antivaxxers not going for it and it expiring
i get that right?
88sins wrote:De Dragon wrote:hover11 wrote:Can you read, Alta is reopening soon you clearly saw I put vaccine hesitant need to be accomodatedst7 wrote:hover - vaccines are sheit. all vaccinated ppl still get covid and infect others, cook my own food, fix my own car, have mba in ba
also hover - govt better have vaccines even when we antivaxxers not going for it and it expiring
i get that right?
Not in perpetuity, and not in those numbers that we're currently carrying.
You see this? it all kinda wrong.
If a million people say "I don't want it" , exactly who do you think you are or the gov't is to disregard adult people's wishes about what they willing to put into their body or not?
If the gov't say that in order to stop crime, is rfid chips & gps bracelets on everybody, whether you want it or not & we tracking everybody whereabouts & even monitoring all of everyone's communications & internet usage, and we could lock you up if you doing something we eh like? that ok too ent?
If people are hesitant, coercion will only further solidify their hesitancy generated by their uncertainty into unwillingness and outright defiance in their refusal. Some may have been on the fence, and that will probably give them a violent shove to the side against, not for vaccination.
All I saying is people will decide what they doing based on their own beliefs, that will be formed by their own knowledge or the lack thereof, and that each individual MUST bear the consequences of his own choices, whether those consequences be + or -
MaxPower wrote:Scorn the unvaccinated.
fokhan_96 wrote:Talk done.FB_IMG_1630597720834.jpg
88sins wrote:De Dragon wrote:hover11 wrote:Can you read, Alta is reopening soon you clearly saw I put vaccine hesitant need to be accomodatedst7 wrote:hover - vaccines are sheit. all vaccinated ppl still get covid and infect others, cook my own food, fix my own car, have mba in ba
also hover - govt better have vaccines even when we antivaxxers not going for it and it expiring
i get that right?
Not in perpetuity, and not in those numbers that we're currently carrying.
You see this? it all kinda wrong.
If a million people say "I don't want it" , exactly who do you think you are or the gov't is to disregard adult people's wishes about what they willing to put into their body or not?
If the gov't say that in order to stop crime, is rfid chips & gps bracelets on everybody, whether you want it or not & we tracking everybody whereabouts & even monitoring all of everyone's communications & internet usage, and we could lock you up if you doing something we eh like? that ok too ent?
If people are hesitant, coercion will only further solidify their hesitancy generated by their uncertainty into unwillingness and outright defiance in their refusal. Some may have been on the fence, and that will probably give them a violent shove to the side against, not for vaccination.
All I saying is people will decide what they doing based on their own beliefs, that will be formed by their own knowledge or the lack thereof, and that each individual MUST bear the consequences of his own choices, whether those consequences be + or -
Something a battyman would saytimelapse wrote:If you antivax you is a battyman.
MaxPower wrote:Scorn the unvaccinated.
DTAC wrote:MaxPower wrote:Scorn the unvaccinated.
Even the unvaccinated Venezuelan?
Nice deflect, but I have scientific evidence to back up my claimshover11 wrote:Something a battyman would saytimelapse wrote:If you antivax you is a battyman.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
That's why there are doctors and scientists and epidemiologists and peer-reviewed scientific data to help make informed decisions so people don't have to die or face consequences unnecessarily.
When a person refuses the vaccine and ends up in hospital unable to breathe do they also refuse treatment based on the fact they don't know what is being administered to them or do they exercise their freedom there too?
teems1 wrote:fokhan_96 wrote:Talk done.FB_IMG_1630597720834.jpg
https://newsday.co.tt/2021/08/01/unvacc ... -hospital/
Data from 1 month ago indicates Trinidad is at 90% unvaccinated are those in hospital.
Usual provaxxer power moveMmoney607 wrote:teems1 wrote:fokhan_96 wrote:Talk done.FB_IMG_1630597720834.jpg
https://newsday.co.tt/2021/08/01/unvacc ... -hospital/
Data from 1 month ago indicates Trinidad is at 90% unvaccinated are those in hospital.
That's very misleading. They throwing out random statistics that are convenient to them.
88sins wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
That's why there are doctors and scientists and epidemiologists and peer-reviewed scientific data to help make informed decisions so people don't have to die or face consequences unnecessarily.
When a person refuses the vaccine and ends up in hospital unable to breathe do they also refuse treatment based on the fact they don't know what is being administered to them or do they exercise their freedom there too?
and you should be aware that there are some people existing today, if you hand them a research paper, even though they may be able to read it, understanding what they reading is a whole differnt story. Even if you put it in the simplest of plain english terms.
funny you should ask that
I've seem people that needed to be intubated fight like hell against it, caused some minor damage to a few dr's in the struggle too. Usually in such cases, it doesn't take them long before they fall unconscious, and then they medical professional will attempt intubate them & usually be successful (provided the airway is clear & not inflamed shut of course).
Also, even in the US, there's document called a DNR (do not resuscitate) form, that you fill that out, need to do that before life saving treatment is required though, & have witnesses & a be in a sane rational lucid state of mind too.
Fear is a hell of a thing. It can cause people to make choices they wouldn't have if they were better informed or more calm and rational. But their reasons are their own, and it's not up to you or me to convince them that they right, wrong or anywhere in between, because the sad truth is, people believe what they want to believe, for the reasons which they alone know why they chose to believe what they do.
hover11 wrote:Usual provaxxer power moveMmoney607 wrote:teems1 wrote:fokhan_96 wrote:Talk done.FB_IMG_1630597720834.jpg
https://newsday.co.tt/2021/08/01/unvacc ... -hospital/
Data from 1 month ago indicates Trinidad is at 90% unvaccinated are those in hospital.
That's very misleading. They throwing out random statistics that are convenient to them.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:88sins wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
That's why there are doctors and scientists and epidemiologists and peer-reviewed scientific data to help make informed decisions so people don't have to die or face consequences unnecessarily.
When a person refuses the vaccine and ends up in hospital unable to breathe do they also refuse treatment based on the fact they don't know what is being administered to them or do they exercise their freedom there too?
and you should be aware that there are some people existing today, if you hand them a research paper, even though they may be able to read it, understanding what they reading is a whole differnt story. Even if you put it in the simplest of plain english terms.
funny you should ask that
I've seem people that needed to be intubated fight like hell against it, caused some minor damage to a few dr's in the struggle too. Usually in such cases, it doesn't take them long before they fall unconscious, and then they medical professional will attempt intubate them & usually be successful (provided the airway is clear & not inflamed shut of course).
Also, even in the US, there's document called a DNR (do not resuscitate) form, that you fill that out, need to do that before life saving treatment is required though, & have witnesses & a be in a sane rational lucid state of mind too.
Fear is a hell of a thing. It can cause people to make choices they wouldn't have if they were better informed or more calm and rational. But their reasons are their own, and it's not up to you or me to convince them that they right, wrong or anywhere in between, because the sad truth is, people believe what they want to believe, for the reasons which they alone know why they chose to believe what they do.
Considering the statistics showing the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths are from unvaccinated persons, what about the strain they put on the economy, health care system, health care workers and the population?
With that logic smokers should not be admitted for lung cancer and respiratory problems, alcoholics must not be admitted for liver problems or alcohol poisoning... obese persons should not be admitted for diabetes or heart attacksMmoney607 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:88sins wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
That's why there are doctors and scientists and epidemiologists and peer-reviewed scientific data to help make informed decisions so people don't have to die or face consequences unnecessarily.
When a person refuses the vaccine and ends up in hospital unable to breathe do they also refuse treatment based on the fact they don't know what is being administered to them or do they exercise their freedom there too?
and you should be aware that there are some people existing today, if you hand them a research paper, even though they may be able to read it, understanding what they reading is a whole differnt story. Even if you put it in the simplest of plain english terms.
funny you should ask that
I've seem people that needed to be intubated fight like hell against it, caused some minor damage to a few dr's in the struggle too. Usually in such cases, it doesn't take them long before they fall unconscious, and then they medical professional will attempt intubate them & usually be successful (provided the airway is clear & not inflamed shut of course).
Also, even in the US, there's document called a DNR (do not resuscitate) form, that you fill that out, need to do that before life saving treatment is required though, & have witnesses & a be in a sane rational lucid state of mind too.
Fear is a hell of a thing. It can cause people to make choices they wouldn't have if they were better informed or more calm and rational. But their reasons are their own, and it's not up to you or me to convince them that they right, wrong or anywhere in between, because the sad truth is, people believe what they want to believe, for the reasons which they alone know why they chose to believe what they do.
Considering the statistics showing the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths are from unvaccinated persons, what about the strain they put on the economy, health care system, health care workers and the population?
Most things people use state hospital resources are "preventable" by the logical that you all are using.
Mmoney607 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:88sins wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
That's why there are doctors and scientists and epidemiologists and peer-reviewed scientific data to help make informed decisions so people don't have to die or face consequences unnecessarily.
When a person refuses the vaccine and ends up in hospital unable to breathe do they also refuse treatment based on the fact they don't know what is being administered to them or do they exercise their freedom there too?
and you should be aware that there are some people existing today, if you hand them a research paper, even though they may be able to read it, understanding what they reading is a whole differnt story. Even if you put it in the simplest of plain english terms.
funny you should ask that
I've seem people that needed to be intubated fight like hell against it, caused some minor damage to a few dr's in the struggle too. Usually in such cases, it doesn't take them long before they fall unconscious, and then they medical professional will attempt intubate them & usually be successful (provided the airway is clear & not inflamed shut of course).
Also, even in the US, there's document called a DNR (do not resuscitate) form, that you fill that out, need to do that before life saving treatment is required though, & have witnesses & a be in a sane rational lucid state of mind too.
Fear is a hell of a thing. It can cause people to make choices they wouldn't have if they were better informed or more calm and rational. But their reasons are their own, and it's not up to you or me to convince them that they right, wrong or anywhere in between, because the sad truth is, people believe what they want to believe, for the reasons which they alone know why they chose to believe what they do.
Considering the statistics showing the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths are from unvaccinated persons, what about the strain they put on the economy, health care system, health care workers and the population?
Most things people use state hospital resources are "preventable" by the logical that you all are using.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Mmoney607 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:88sins wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
That's why there are doctors and scientists and epidemiologists and peer-reviewed scientific data to help make informed decisions so people don't have to die or face consequences unnecessarily.
When a person refuses the vaccine and ends up in hospital unable to breathe do they also refuse treatment based on the fact they don't know what is being administered to them or do they exercise their freedom there too?
and you should be aware that there are some people existing today, if you hand them a research paper, even though they may be able to read it, understanding what they reading is a whole differnt story. Even if you put it in the simplest of plain english terms.
funny you should ask that
I've seem people that needed to be intubated fight like hell against it, caused some minor damage to a few dr's in the struggle too. Usually in such cases, it doesn't take them long before they fall unconscious, and then they medical professional will attempt intubate them & usually be successful (provided the airway is clear & not inflamed shut of course).
Also, even in the US, there's document called a DNR (do not resuscitate) form, that you fill that out, need to do that before life saving treatment is required though, & have witnesses & a be in a sane rational lucid state of mind too.
Fear is a hell of a thing. It can cause people to make choices they wouldn't have if they were better informed or more calm and rational. But their reasons are their own, and it's not up to you or me to convince them that they right, wrong or anywhere in between, because the sad truth is, people believe what they want to believe, for the reasons which they alone know why they chose to believe what they do.
Considering the statistics showing the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths are from unvaccinated persons, what about the strain they put on the economy, health care system, health care workers and the population?
Most things people use state hospital resources are "preventable" by the logical that you all are using.
Logic?
Covid can easily overwhelm the healthcare system, that is why a parallel healthcare system was setup locally but it too can be easily overwhelmed. No other lifestyle disease is doing that.
These 5 states have less than 10% of ICU beds left as Covid-19 overwhelms hospitals
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/31/heal ... index.html
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