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Once it get ticket for seat belt just before the points/machine system . Went to pay it the next day. Ticket book didn't reach yet. I tell the clark, it gonna come anyhow and I ain't want to waste time to come back so I paying it now one time.pugboy wrote:yeah them is some wicked mc, esp the traffic wardens
I got 3 tickets within 8 months before demerit came out
first ticket was no seat belt because I reversed out of by a roadside roti vendor and was real traffic but somebody give me a chance
I didnt buckle up because they was popping they horn for me to come out so they could take the spot, a cop down the road spot me and give me a ticket
second was on highway by omeara behind a truck who slowed down on a yellow light and cause me to just catch the red by a hair.
third was by the savannah in barataria which is one way during school pickup hours, I didnt see the sign until late but I stopped with my wheels barely turned but the warden jump out and tell me stop and pull to the side and then tell me I inside so I break the law, a real mc, plus they make you drive in the street to make it look unsuspecting to other drivers
them wardens wicked because they never submit the ticket to the court until the very last day, i went 3 times to pay and the court ppl say best i come on very last day and if it not in court the judge with throw it out
of course it was submitted then. i heard they cant do that anymore since they replaced the ticket book system.
To me this would have been common sense and logical and fair .redmanjp wrote:https://guardian.co.tt/news/judge-rules-that-licensing-authority-policy-is-illegal-6.2.1954607.885c44a413Judge rules that Licensing Authority policy is illegal
A Licensing Authority policy, preventing all transactions in relation to a vehicle until traffic tickets issued to authorised users are paid, has been deemed illegal and unconstitutional.
High Court Judge Avason Quinlan-Williams gave the declaration late last month when she upheld a case filed by auto body mechanic Neil Thomas against Transport Commissioner Clive Clarke and the Office of the Attorney General. She gave written reasons for her decision in a 21-page judgment on Monday.
In his lawsuit, Thomas claimed the issue arose after he purchased a Nissan Wingroad from a woman in July,2022.
After paying $30,000 to the woman, they went to the Licensing Authority’s office at Wrightson Road in Port-of-Spain to transfer the vehicle. A licensing officer inspected the vehicle’s engine and chassis numbers before verbally approving the transaction.
On February 13 last year, Thomas was dropping his daughter to school in El Dorado when he received a fixed penalty traffic ticket from a traffic warden for using his cellphone while driving.
When Thomas sought to have his vehicle inspected at a private garage the following month, he was told that he could not do so until a $1,000 ticket linked to the vehicle was paid. After explaining that he had already paid the ticket he received, the vehicle inspector told him it was not issued to him or the previous owner but to a third party.
Thomas confirmed the information through the Ministry of Works and Transport online database and sought to contact the driver who received the ticket. The driver advised him of the purported policy and advised that he pay the fine quickly as it would increase the longer it remained unpaid. He then contacted the authority, which informed him that the fine now stood at $1,500.
After his lawyers, led by Anand Ramlogan, SC, threatened to file a lawsuit over the policy, the ministry’s permanent secretary wrote to him apologising for what transpired and advised that he could have his vehicle inspected at any inspection station.
In the lawsuit, the defendants admitted that the policy was wrongly applied to Thomas, as they claimed that it is only valid if the vehicle was not transferred before it sought to enforce the unpaid ticket. In determining the case, Justice Quinlan-Williams considered the scenarios for issuing a ticket under the Motor Vehicle and Road Traffic Act. She noted that the ticket could either be issued to an errant user of the vehicle or affixed to the vehicle.
Justice Quinlan-Williams ruled that Section 88(A)(3) of the legislation, which prescribed the sanction, could only be applied if the owner of the vehicle received the ticket or if it (the ticket) was affixed to the vehicle.
“The owner must be the offender to be liable for the traffic violation,” she said, as she noted that a driver who fails to pay their fine could have their driver’s permit suspended as a sanction.
She also noted that an unpaid traffic ticket could only have an effect on the vehicle that was used when it was issued.
“For instance, where the driver or owner has other vehicles registered in their name and those vehicles were not involved in the commission of the traffic violation, no sanctions can be attached to those vehicles,” she said.
“To allow the Licensing Authority to decide what property—other than that involved in the traffic violation—would go beyond the exercise of an administrative authority to aid the enforcement of the act,” she added.
Justice Quinlan-Williams issued a series of declarations against the policy including that Thomas’ constitutional rights to not be deprived of his property except by due process of law, and to equality before and protection of the law had been infringed. She also ruled that the policy applied in the case was unfair, illegal and irrational.
Dealing with compensation for Thomas, Justice Quinlan-Williams stated that $12,600 would suffice with the declarations granted.
“The court did not find any aggravating factors. Rather the potential damages were mitigated based on the rapidity with which the defendants corrected their error and admitted the wrong,” she said.
She also pointed out the policy, introduced by an amendment to the legislation in 2017, was relatively new when it was unfairly applied to Thomas.
“The introduction of an entirely new system geared towards improving the enforcement of traffic offences with the ultimate goal of reducing traffic violations is one that ought to be applauded,” she said. The State was also ordered to pay Thomas’ legal costs for the lawsuit.
Thomas was represented by Kent Samlal, Jayanti Lutchmedial, Natasha Bisram, Robert Abdool-Mitchell, and Vishaal Siewsaran.
rexsmith wrote:So why is the driver must get the ticket and demerit points for lack of vehicle maintenance like inspection and not the owner, the driver will get suspended from driving and the owner can still drive the uninspected vehicle after
The police has to submit to the court who will then make available to you the summary of evidence. You then have to submit to the court your summary of defence which will be made available to prosecution. Depending on which district your matter is being heard and if the ticketing officer comes to court, the case may last anywhere from a matter of months to years.rexsmith wrote:anyone have ever been to virtual court for a traffic ticket? what was your experience like and what was the outcome. I am contesting a traffic ticket, the first time appearing was for a hearing and 2nd time coming up is for a trial, what is this trial like and is this the last of it or is there going to be more court days? and do the police officer who issued the ticket needs to be in court and what happens if he doesn't show?
Because of the backlog of cases, yes. Depending on the magistrate, anywhere from 3 to 7 appearances. There are some who waste no time and throw out the case if the police doesn't show up on the date of trial. Then there are those like Prince who will entice you by giving you a 50% discount on the fine if you pay the ticket right away (what they don't tell you however is that the demerit points still apply and remain the same), or keep adjourning to frustrate you into paying rather than coming to court for years.redmanjp wrote:A traffic case lasting years? Wtf.
How many days are u actually in court?
I saw the newspaper article where it was stated that MOWT made public the new fines, but a check on their website up to last night yielded no such information. Additionally, I have not been able to find it any where else. I guess we'll just have to wait until Monday when Rohan said the new updates will take effect.screwbash wrote:Anyone have a list of the new fines that take effect from 18th nov 2024
mero wrote:How much demerit points allyuh on now? Still on 0 pts 2 years now since I was rehabilitated inshallah, know some ppl over 20 praying licensing don't brace them or do a dragnet.
Easy money passingkillercow wrote:mero wrote:How much demerit points allyuh on now? Still on 0 pts 2 years now since I was rehabilitated inshallah, know some ppl over 20 praying licensing don't brace them or do a dragnet.
I know this guy personally. He crossed 20 years now, went licensing multiple times to conduct transactions (including renew his permit), and somehow he still driving.
Paid,paid_influencer wrote:bad drivers gettinf a lil ease up for the christmas oui
The system really is broken , same thing with my bredren lol. He renew his license too and he license currently saying active and he over 20.. them say no letter from MOWT reach in their mailbox so driving like normal collecting more points..killercow wrote:mero wrote:How much demerit points allyuh on now? Still on 0 pts 2 years now since I was rehabilitated inshallah, know some ppl over 20 praying licensing don't brace them or do a dragnet.
I know this guy personally. He crossed 20 years now, went licensing multiple times to conduct transactions (including renew his permit), and somehow he still driving.
inshallah ?mero wrote:How much demerit points allyuh on now? Still on 0 pts 2 years now since I was rehabilitated inshallah, know some ppl over 20 praying licensing don't brace them or do a dragnet.
I trying to understand how some people like my padna with 60+ points permit still marked as active while others who just crossed 10 getting letter in a matter of months. It's really confusing (although I heard that people who don't pay their tickets get priority for suspension).mero wrote:The system really is broken , same thing with my bredren lol. He renew his license too and he license currently saying active and he over 20.. them say no letter from MOWT reach in their mailbox so driving like normal collecting more points..killercow wrote:mero wrote:How much demerit points allyuh on now? Still on 0 pts 2 years now since I was rehabilitated inshallah, know some ppl over 20 praying licensing don't brace them or do a dragnet.
I know this guy personally. He crossed 20 years now, went licensing multiple times to conduct transactions (including renew his permit), and somehow he still driving.
6 months was done long enough for me, even though I still drive almost everyday. Cyah imagine a year or two ban. And it have men risking it everyday on the PBR and ting
PNM implantmero wrote:Hear a skull running in licensing, $ 500 per demerit point removal. Land of the links, life nice here.
Here you goscrewbash wrote:Anyone have a list of the new fines that take effect from 18th nov 2024
j.o.e wrote:We have disability passes ?
Elections comingredmanjp wrote:hmm they actually reduce the fines and points there
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