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zoom rader wrote:Four helicopters for 2.1 billion by PNM?
UML wrote:UML wrote:UML wrote:Redman wrote:UML post the prices as well nah..cost benefit.
When you post the same for the Summit of the Americas, MV Sue, Pena Church, World GTL, Manning's personal Symphony Orchestra, etc.
and ALL the Taxpayers money PNM gave away to Grenada.
FIX T&T FIRST!!!!
Not to forget the $2 Million flag
UML wrote:UML wrote:UML wrote:UML wrote:Redman wrote:UML post the prices as well nah..cost benefit.
When you post the same for the Summit of the Americas, MV Sue, Pena Church, World GTL, Manning's personal Symphony Orchestra, etc.
and ALL the Taxpayers money PNM gave away to Grenada.
FIX T&T FIRST!!!!
Not to forget the $2 Million flag
Also the removal of Tank 185 (the BIGGEST storage tank at Petrotrin) to build the OVERPRICED, unfinished new corporate headquaters.$440m to complete Petrotrin HQ
Published on Jun 4, 2013, 7:53 pm AST
Updated on Jun 4, 2013, 9:04 pm AST
The new headquarters for State oil company Petrotrin planned under the previous board of directors and under the former PNM administration, was being outfitted “with a degree of opulence and grandeur fit for royalty”, Energy Minister Kevin Ramnarine said yesterday.
In a statement to the Senate he said Petrotrin’s construction budget which started at $75 million ballooned to $365 million as a result of the changes in scope which envisaged the new building increasing from 60,000 square feet to 168,000 square feet.
He said the board stopped construction.
But by that time, $170 million had already been expended on the project.
If construction is to be completed by Petrotrin, the entire project is estimated to cost $440 million of which $170 million has already been spent.
“This is yet another failed project that is the product of decisions of the previous board,” he said.
Ramnarine focused on the Gas to Liquids plant and Gas Optimisation Project as well as the “Cat Cracker” upgrade at Petrotrin, analysing the errors made during the last administration.
“The company has been stabilised, it has been pulled back from the brink and it is poised for growth in production which will redound to the benefit of the people of Trinidad and Tobago,” he said.
Ramnarine announced yesterday he had instructed Petrotrin’s board to commission a post-investment appraisal analysis of the “Cat Cracker” upgrade.
He noted that Bechtel and ABT were the project managers of this project and Chicago Bridge and Iron (CB&I) the contractor.
He said the contracting strategies employed by Petrotrin on a number of projects, including this one, were ill-advised and drove Petrotrin into a serious predicament from which it was still recovering.
Ramnarine painted a picture of three projects—GOP, GTL and the headquarters “to demonstrate that over the years 2005-2010 Petrotrin was very refinery-focused”.
“While there was substantial investment in refinery upgrade in the period, conversely there was little or no exploration or development drilling in both land and Trinmar.
He said it was during this period that production at Trinmar collapsed from 33,000 barrels a day in 2005 to about 21,000 bpd in 2010.
He said since May 2010, Petrotrin has undertaken a conscious, deliberate and phased portfolio shift from its refining and marketing activities to exploration and production, with an emphasis on stabilisation and growth.
“This does not mean the refinery isn’t important. The facts would however show that while money poured by the billions into the GOP and GTL projects, the upstream was starved. Trinmar was starved of capital and land-based oil production was starved of capital. The results were that while in 2009 there were no wells drilled by Trinmar, by 2012 16 wells were drilled, and 17 are planned for 2014.”
He also gave details on why the cost of the Gas Optimisation Project swelled from US$350 million to US$1.435 billion.
He said the then Malcolm Jones-led Petrotrin board awarded two contracts to Bechtel—one for project management consultancy services and another for EPCM (engineering, procurement, construction and management services)—for the utilities and offsite, which meant essentially that Bechtel was supervising Bechtel.
“This situation created conflicts of interest and confusion even amongst Bechtel’s personnel in the separation of their roles and responsibilities as PMC and EPCM. This strategically unworkable arrangement led to inevitable delays and cost overruns,” he said.
He said by the time the government had changed in May 2010, elements of the GOP were out of control and suffering from cost escalation and schedule slippage.
Both Bechtel contracts were eventually terminated, he said
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/business ... 76561.html
Gas project completed at cost overrun of US$560M, or TT$3.59B
Friday, December 13 2013
Petrotrin’s Gasoline Optimisation Project (GOP) has been completed, but it has incurred a cost overrun of US$560 million, or TT$3.59 billion according to Petrotrin’s President, Khalid Hassanali.
At the time he was responding to questions on the project at Wednesday’s meeting of the Public Accounts (Enterprises) Committee.
He told the Committee the initial cost of the project was pegged at US$600 million or TT$3.85 billion, in 2006. The final tally he added was now US$1.4 billion, or TT$8.9 billion.
The Committee was chaired by PNM newly-appointed Senator Camille Regis-Robinson.
Hassanali said the gas project and a number of others, including a new laboratory, and the liquid fuels pipeline have incurred massive cost overruns due to procurement methods.
The GOP involved the installation of an isomerisation complex, a continuous catalytic reforming platformer complex, an alkylation unit, and sulphuric acid regeneration plant, the upgrade of the fluid catalytic cracking unit, and the installation of offsite facilities, and upgrade of utility systems.
The catcracker is on stream, and the alkylation and acid plant, he said came on stream last weekend. “The three plants could herald the end of the GOP,” he said “or the beginning of going forward to benefit from the programme. All are producing products on specification. We are reasonably pleased.”
Asked if Petrotrin was satisfied with the work of the contractor Bechtel which was the project manager of the GOP, Hassanali said, “Certainly not at all.”
Penalties in the contract, he said “was very heavily qualified, and during the middle of the project Bechtel wanted to change from lump sum to cost reimbursable, which resulted in a doubling of the cost.”
Other projects for which there were costs overruns, he noted were the new refinery laboratory which suffered a number of delays, but was completed at a cost of $205 million. It’s initial cost was estimated at $170 million.
At present, he said staff and equipment were being relocated from the old laboratory to the new state-of-the-art facility which should improve testing of products, quality control, and greater degree of comfort and effective working space.
The liquid fuels pipeline project, though not yet completed, has moved from US$49 million or TT$314 million in 2012, to US$65 million or TT$417 million at the present time.
Asked by MP for Diego Martin North East, Colm Imbert, why the major cost overrun for the GOP, Hassanali said over the seven-year period the project was undertaken, the procurement model did not lend itself to being on time and on budget even though “a foreign project manager” oversaw it. http://www.newsday.co.tt/business/0,187832.html
Rory Phoulorie wrote:So Motilal Ramhit and Sons Contracting Limited and Contech Limited are being awarded about construction contracts by EFCL totaling over $100M for three secondary schools.
These two companies are under the same group of companies (http://www.guardian.co.tt/letters/2012- ... r-pressure), so in essence, one contractor has been awarded all the contracts.
A few questions:
1) Were proper tendering procedures followed?
2) Were competitive bids invited and evaluated?
3) Is a bonafide tender evaluation report available right now giving technically and financially feasible reasons why all the contracts should be given to one contractor?
4) Should this contractor have been awarded these contracts given his performance on other EFCL contracts where his lack of progress is of concern?
I'll just leave this newspaper article here to set the tone for this discussion.
UML? zoom rader? trichards80?
Rory Phoulorie wrote:zoom rader wrote:^^^ Sunshine newspaper is your souce,
Since you asked all the questions it best you answer them and will belive you as the sunshine newspaper
What I have stated about the award of the contracts is fact, not rum shop talk like you and UML.
You asked for names in the other thread, I have stated names.
Now go and clean up this PNM like corruption that the UNC has perfected to a tee.
Rory Phoulorie wrote:Rory Phoulorie wrote:So Motilal Ramhit and Sons Contracting Limited and Contech Limited are being awarded about construction contracts by EFCL totaling over $100M for three secondary schools.
These two companies are under the same group of companies (http://www.guardian.co.tt/letters/2012- ... r-pressure), so in essence, one contractor has been awarded all the contracts.
A few questions:
1) Were proper tendering procedures followed?
2) Were competitive bids invited and evaluated?
3) Is a bonafide tender evaluation report available right now giving technically and financially feasible reasons why all the contracts should be given to one contractor?
4) Should this contractor have been awarded these contracts given his performance on other EFCL contracts where his lack of progress is of concern?
I'll just leave this newspaper article here to set the tone for this discussion.
UML? zoom rader? trichards80?Rory Phoulorie wrote:zoom rader wrote:^^^ Sunshine newspaper is your souce,
Since you asked all the questions it best you answer them and will belive you as the sunshine newspaper
What I have stated about the award of the contracts is fact, not rum shop talk like you and UML.
You asked for names in the other thread, I have stated names.
Now go and clean up this PNM like corruption that the UNC has perfected to a tee.
Why all the PP supporters so quiet on this one? You all wanted names, I gave names. My court clothes pressed and ready to be worn.
They need a commission of enquiry into the state of affairs at EFCL.
Julien loses ‘appeal’ involving Rev Pena
Published on Jun 15, 2015, 10:05 pm AST By Rickie Ramdass
FORMER president of the University of Trinidad and Tobago (UTT) Ken Julien suffered a defeat at the Court of Appeal in Port of Spain yesterday in a case involving Rev Juliana Pena. The court dismissed a procedural appeal filed by him challenging a refusal of a High Court judge to not amend the time table of a pending trial and allow an additional day for him to give evidence in the matter. Julien and six former directors are being sued by the UTT as it seeks to recover more than $11.4 million it claimed the university lost due to Julien and his ex-directors' alleged involvement in accommodating Pena, a spiritual adviser of former prime minister Patrick Manning, at UTT's guest house in Aripo. The trial was set to take place between July 1 and 8 before Justice Vasheist Kokaram at the Port of Spain High Court, but Julien, through his attorneys, made an application for the judge to allow him to give evidence in the matter between July 22 and 24, as he was required to visit South Africa and meet the country's President, Jacob Zuma, around the time he was required to testify. It was submitted by attorneys representing the other parties in the matter that some of them may not be able to attend court on the days requested by Julien. After entertaining the submissions Justice Kokaram refused to grant the application, resulting in the procedural appeal being filed. Julien to meet Zuma
During yesterday's hearing, Julien's attorney, John Jeremie SC, submitted that Julien was required to meet with Zuma but was unable to say on exactly what date the meeting was to take place or the purpose of the meeting. He contended that the dismissal of the application by Kokaram was wrong and as such, Julien would not receive a fair hearing. Justice of Appeal Peter Jamadar, however, questioned how the attorney could argue that his client was required to attend a meeting with the President of South Africa and not even be aware of what day the meeting was scheduled to take place. The judge also questioned why Jeremie did not consider having his client testify from South Africa via video conference as was suggested by the trial judge. Ramdeen: dangerous precedent
Attorney Gerald Ramdeen, who appeared on behalf of UTT, said the judge did all he possibly could have done to try to accommodate Julien by suggesting other dates for Julien to give his evidence after returning from South Africa. The attorney said Julien's attorneys were asking that it was unfair to their client that the additional date was not granted but if it were, it would have been unfair to the other parties as some of them would not be able to attend court. Ramdeen further argued that if the Appeal Court were to allow the appeal, it would set "a very dangerous precedent" as the ruling would allow for any one who was unable to attend court on a given day to refer to the judgment to work in their favour. After several minutes of deliberations, the three-judge panel, which also included Justice Rajendra Narine and Nolan Bureaux, returned with the majority verdict. Justice Bureaux dissented. One of the days suggested by Kokaram for Julien to give evidence was July 14, but Julien said he would not have been able to attend court on that day. However, after enquiring from Julien yesterday, Jeremie said his client will be able to attend the hearing on that date. Fairness is not one side
Jamadar said there was evidence to suggest that Kokaram did in fact try his best to facilitate Julien's request by making several alternative suggestions. "Everybody talks about fairness but there must also be fairness to the court. Fairness is not just for one side, it is for all sides. What troubles me is that up to this day Mr Jeremie cannot say when exactly the meeting is to take place and whether it is for business or pleasure," said Jamadar. The judge said it was his view and that of Justice Narine that it was not the function of the Appeal Court to micro-manage a trial judge's management of a case. He reminded the attorneys it was not too late to again approach Kokaram on the suggestion of video conferencing or for an alternative date prior to July 22, when all parties in the matter would be present for the hearing. http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150615 ... g-rev-pena
UML wrote:Julien loses ‘appeal’ involving Rev Pena
Published on Jun 15, 2015, 10:05 pm AST By Rickie Ramdass
FORMER president of the University of Trinidad and Tobago (UTT) Ken Julien suffered a defeat at the Court of Appeal in Port of Spain yesterday in a case involving Rev Juliana Pena. The court dismissed a procedural appeal filed by him challenging a refusal of a High Court judge to not amend the time table of a pending trial and allow an additional day for him to give evidence in the matter. Julien and six former directors are being sued by the UTT as it seeks to recover more than $11.4 million it claimed the university lost due to Julien and his ex-directors' alleged involvement in accommodating Pena, a spiritual adviser of former prime minister Patrick Manning, at UTT's guest house in Aripo. The trial was set to take place between July 1 and 8 before Justice Vasheist Kokaram at the Port of Spain High Court, but Julien, through his attorneys, made an application for the judge to allow him to give evidence in the matter between July 22 and 24, as he was required to visit South Africa and meet the country's President, Jacob Zuma, around the time he was required to testify. It was submitted by attorneys representing the other parties in the matter that some of them may not be able to attend court on the days requested by Julien. After entertaining the submissions Justice Kokaram refused to grant the application, resulting in the procedural appeal being filed. Julien to meet Zuma
During yesterday's hearing, Julien's attorney, John Jeremie SC, submitted that Julien was required to meet with Zuma but was unable to say on exactly what date the meeting was to take place or the purpose of the meeting. He contended that the dismissal of the application by Kokaram was wrong and as such, Julien would not receive a fair hearing. Justice of Appeal Peter Jamadar, however, questioned how the attorney could argue that his client was required to attend a meeting with the President of South Africa and not even be aware of what day the meeting was scheduled to take place. The judge also questioned why Jeremie did not consider having his client testify from South Africa via video conference as was suggested by the trial judge. Ramdeen: dangerous precedent
Attorney Gerald Ramdeen, who appeared on behalf of UTT, said the judge did all he possibly could have done to try to accommodate Julien by suggesting other dates for Julien to give his evidence after returning from South Africa. The attorney said Julien's attorneys were asking that it was unfair to their client that the additional date was not granted but if it were, it would have been unfair to the other parties as some of them would not be able to attend court. Ramdeen further argued that if the Appeal Court were to allow the appeal, it would set "a very dangerous precedent" as the ruling would allow for any one who was unable to attend court on a given day to refer to the judgment to work in their favour. After several minutes of deliberations, the three-judge panel, which also included Justice Rajendra Narine and Nolan Bureaux, returned with the majority verdict. Justice Bureaux dissented. One of the days suggested by Kokaram for Julien to give evidence was July 14, but Julien said he would not have been able to attend court on that day. However, after enquiring from Julien yesterday, Jeremie said his client will be able to attend the hearing on that date. Fairness is not one side
Jamadar said there was evidence to suggest that Kokaram did in fact try his best to facilitate Julien's request by making several alternative suggestions. "Everybody talks about fairness but there must also be fairness to the court. Fairness is not just for one side, it is for all sides. What troubles me is that up to this day Mr Jeremie cannot say when exactly the meeting is to take place and whether it is for business or pleasure," said Jamadar. The judge said it was his view and that of Justice Narine that it was not the function of the Appeal Court to micro-manage a trial judge's management of a case. He reminded the attorneys it was not too late to again approach Kokaram on the suggestion of video conferencing or for an alternative date prior to July 22, when all parties in the matter would be present for the hearing. http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150615 ... g-rev-pena
Yeah that must be Rory's problem. I mean how can he deny it after all of the facts you just posted to backup this statement. As always, excellent job ZR. Keep it up!zoom rader wrote:Rorys problem is that he's a head engineer workign at a firm that oversees some of the Government contracts and he's been pressuring contractors unfairly for Kick backs.
Good going Rory
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:Folks I would like to remind you today is a double special on 102.1 fm please be tuned in by 4 for Skippy
And the champion of talk the Gladiator will return for today only and he will be on at 6 PM to 9PM to address many of the issues facing the government and the opposition. He is the only neutral man in politic talk shows within this country, the only man who does not spread propaganda!!!
Citizens of the republic, tune in to the nation's number 1 radio station and number 1 talk show host to become educated on everything taking place. Listen to the gladiator take apart the PNM and Jack Warner!! He may be PNM but he stands up for what is correct!! See the gladiator take on Email gate part 2 today only on your favoritte radio station.
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EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:^ Skippy isn't being paid anymore than you being paid to post here. There is something such as integrity, standing up for what is right.
Skippy has long said the it was thanks to the UNC he left his life of ignorance and educated himself.
Gladiator is still a PNM and he is quite vocal about it, but he will never allow injustice to prevail. There is something called integrity / having moral principles you know.
someone with integrity has to stand up against Rowley and Jack combo working together to diminish the morale of the good Prime Minister.
besides these guys are not those PNM propaganda talk show hosts on them other stations, these guys bring evidence to back up their claims and do their research thats what makes them standout. They don't come to do no wajang talk, they come to educated the citizens of the republic and there lies the key difference.
humbleservant wrote:UNC had their chance and did plenty shit_ and now they have to go... somebody else needs to try because UNC fail terribly .
and box drain cant stop crime.
dougla_boy wrote:huh...
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:s putting back the PNM who is in a worse state under its current leadership than how it was in 2010.
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:humbleservant wrote:UNC had their chance and did plenty shit_ and now they have to go... somebody else needs to try because UNC fail terribly .
and box drain cant stop crime.
Dan I not saying no.
But what you suggesting is putting back the PNM who is in a worse state under its current leadership than how it was in 2010. And this is a party with one of the worst track record completing its manifesto. What did they do for 40 years for us to put them back?
I am not die hard support by any stretch but the performance under Kamla though admittedly it did cost much more to accomplish things than PNM, is still more done in 5 years than the PNM did in 40.
You seem to suggest like we really have this much option in Trini.
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:dougla_boy wrote:huh...
It is.
After the email gate fiasco you think anybody would trust Rowley? Why yuh feel he so quiet now?
If Beckles was the leader of the PNM I would give the PNM a chance. Not voting no hard back man like Rowley who always in mischief. I have always supported Beckles from day one.
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