What's going on in the Middle East?

[PariaMan]

There would have been no attack if Ukraine was nuclear armed

RUSSIA made sure that their nuclear weapons were taken away so that they would one day reclaim Crimea and eventually Ukraine.

This was always on the cards and planned many, many years before.

Putin actually set up his economy so that they could withstand economic sanctions

Do not be fooled. See tru the games.

[sMASH]

Ukraine woudl not have been used if it was nuked up. As it would have been immidiately put down.
It would have been attacked , but swiftly and decisively.


The MAD doctrine does not ONLY mean 'u are immune to attack' , it also implies that u don't provoke attacks , as the threat u pose is significant , thus justifying decisive response or preemptive action.


The better analogies for MAD are Iraq, Libya, north Korea.

Urkaine only existing now cause it have no nukes. It would be a hole in the ground if it did.

[PariaMan]

It would be striving if it had . Nobody wants a serious war with a nuclear armed country

[PariaMan]

Read newsweek in 2022

"Would a Nuclear Ukraine Have Prevented the War?
In 1993, political scientist John Mearsheimer published commentary titled "The Case for a Ukrainian Nuclear Deterrent," arguing that a nuclear Ukraine was imperative to maintaining peace with its neighbor, Russia. Three decades on, he stands by that position.

"If Ukraine had kept its nuclear weapons, Russia would not have invaded in 2022," Mearsheimer, the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in the Political Science Department at the University of Chicago, told Newsweek. "Nuclear weapons are the ultimate deterrent."



That's like stating the obvious

[PariaMan]

"Mearsheimer said it would have been highly likely that Kyiv would have used its nuclear weapons to defend itself in the event of a Russian invasion, which Ukraine would have viewed as an "existential threat."

"I think the Russians would have recognized that, and therefore would not have invaded in 2022," he said.

"Of course, this is why I argued that it made sense for Ukraine to keep its nuclear weapons, because I thought that in a conventional war, Ukraine stood hardly any chance of defeating the Russians," he added."

[sMASH]

Urkisne having nukes would not prevent Russia from attacking it. It would have prevented nato for using it to provoke Russia in the first place , thus not creating the need for russia to have any quarrel

[PariaMan]

Well, i would go with the expert.

Russia would have never attacked Ukraine if they had nuclear weapons

That would be just plain stupid

A little skirmish like parkistan and India but no all out offence

We have examples all over the world of this

No one will try to attack any nuclear armed country with a view to overtaking their country

Nuclear weapons are the ultimate deterrent which is why IRAN is craving it

Isreal would never do what they are doing if Iran had a nuclear weapon.

[PariaMan]

What we are seeing in the Middle East is an imbalance of power

Isreal has nuclear weapons, most likely

They therefore try to dominate all the arab countries around them.

Once this imbalance exists, we will never see peace in that part of the world

The problem in Ukraine was also because of an imbalance of power

Russia felt they were so much more powerful than Ukraine that they could take over in two weeks.

Imbalance of power always results in war.

[Dizzy28]

More countries with nuclear weapons = less wars

Do you think Russia would have attacked Ukraine if they had a few missiles pointed at Moscow?

Mutually Assured Destruction keeping the world WW3 free for seventy five years!

The more countries with nuclear weapons increases the likelihood it will be used not reduce it.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Israel has nuclear weapons but does everything in its power to ensure no one else in the region has.

Iran signed and ratified the UN's Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1970 and has allowed inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
Israel never signed. Israel maintains a policy of nuclear ambiguity, neither confirming nor denying that it possesses nuclear weapons and so does not allow inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Israel developed the Begin Doctrine of counter-proliferation and preventive strikes, denying other regional actors the ability to acquire their own nuclear weapons. The Israeli Air Force conducted Operation Opera and Operation Orchard, destroying the Iraqi and Syrian nuclear reactors in 1981 and 2007, respectively, and the Stuxnet malware that severely damaged Iranian nuclear facilities in 2010 is thought to have been developed jointly by the United States and Israel. As of 2019, Israel remains the only country in the Middle East believed to possess nuclear weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_w ... and_Israel

[PariaMan]

Yep and as long as we have that imbalance their will always be Israel running rough shod over all in the middle east.

No one will attack Israel with a view to regime change once they maintain that ambiguity

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Yep and as long as we have that imbalance their will always be Israel running rough shod over all in the middle east.

No one will attack Israel with a view to regime change once they maintain that ambiguity

It's not so much the imbalance as it is Netanyahu and Israel's constant call for war
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=761813&start=7500#p10463642

[sMASH]

Lo and behold. Israel's sampson option makes them the state with a NUCLEAR SUICIDE VEST.

[PariaMan]

Yep and as long as we have that imbalance their will always be Israel running rough shod over all in the middle east.

No one will attack Israel with a view to regime change once they maintain that ambiguity

It's not so much the imbalance as it is Netanyahu and Israel's constant call for war
https://www.trinituner.com/v4/forums/vi ... #p10463642

Yea, but he would not do it if one of the Arab countries had a few nuclear missiles pointed directly at Jerusalem

[matr1x]

I am really proud of Israel.
The problem is, since day 1 when they failed to kill the state of Israel, they tried Holocaust denial and using zionism as a slurs. The fact of the matter is, they hate jews and the idea of them. Iran and Palestinians are anti semites, and are as bad as nazis


If you criticize, the accusations of Islamophobia is their only weapon. Well that and terrorism. You cannot consider yourself civilized and still support Palestinians and Iran.

Sometimes the solution to Islamic bullies, is to deliver a bloody nose. And that's what they are doing. Israel is warning of what a future with Iranian backed terrorism could look like and we have to heed the warning

[sMASH]

Hearing that the isralis used over 200 fighter jets in their initial rising lion assault .

Holy f*

[sMASH]

Tel Aviv atm

[sMASH]

Reading between the lines, it seems Iran will be using their version of bunker buster bombs , so the underground shelters will not be sufficient .


Israelis need to leave if they want to live.

[Dizzy28]

One of the primary goals of the Ayatollahs and the Islamic regime ever since the overthrow of the Shah has been the destruction of Israel.

But you lost air superiority on day 1 with the Israelis having free reign over Western Iranian airspace including the capital whilst your primary weapon is a declining stock of ballistic missiles.

Seems vision was carried forth with no action.

An under mentioned point on this conflict is the fact Israel is clearly receiving lots of help from Iranians on the ground in Iran.

[Dizzy28]

Tuner big brains ...Iran wants peaceful nuclear power. The IAEA since 2024...

[sMASH]

Tuner big brains ...Iran wants peaceful nuclear power. The IAEA since 2024...

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Does the IAEA give the Isreali nuclear sites good grade , passing grade or fail grade ?

[alfa]

Iran could never win a war against Israel but if they inflict enough destruction against the Israeli people, infrastructure and supply lines they can make Israel rethink its stance.
Israel has never lost a war since 1948 and are unaccustomed to casualties. With enough inflicted against them it can make prolonged military conflict unpalatable to it's citizens just like what happened to the US in Vietnam
It's like a bully beating up on a fat kid who has no defense except to through wild punches all while getting clobbered. One will eventually land on the right spot forcing the bully to realize this isn't worth it

[matr1x]

Iran could never win a war against Israel but if they inflict enough destruction against the Israeli people, infrastructure and supply lines they can make Israel rethink its stance.
Israel has never lost a war since 1948 and are unaccustomed to casualties. With enough inflicted against them it can make prolonged military conflict unpalatable to it's citizens just like what happened to the US in Vietnam
It's like a bully beating up on a fat kid who has no defense except to through wild punches all while getting clobbered. One will eventually land on the right spot forcing the bully to realize this isn't worth it

Seeing the absolutely whoopass Iran just take...yeah, they are all talk. Iran should rename to Istumble

[PariaMan]

Israel are bullies . They are no better than the Nazis. They are committing genocide of women and children

Their day of reckoning will come when their major supporter is no longer the force they once were.

[Dizzy28]

Tuner big brains ...Iran wants peaceful nuclear power. The IAEA since 2024...

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Does the IAEA give the Isreali nuclear sites good grade , passing grade or fail grade ?

Iran is literally bordered by nuclear armed Pakistan that doesn't allow nuclear inspections. One suspects this doesn't actually bother you though.


What do the Saudis call it ....


The Islam bomb!!

Anyhows to answer you the IAEA has access to Israel's civilian nuclear facility and not it's military one.

[matr1x]

Israel are bullies . They are no better than the Nazis. They are committing genocide of women and children

Their day of reckoning will come when their major supporter is no longer the force they once were.

You ppl doh care about women and children.

Your ppl want to exterminate non Muslims in the world

[sMASH]

Tuner big brains ...Iran wants peaceful nuclear power. The IAEA since 2024...

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Does the IAEA give the Isreali nuclear sites good grade , passing grade or fail grade ?

Iran is literally bordered by nuclear armed Pakistan that doesn't allow nuclear inspections. One suspects this doesn't actually bother you though.


What do the Saudis call it ....


The Islam bomb!!

Anyhows to answer you the IAEA has access to Israel's civilian nuclear facility and not it's military one.

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Hmmm, isreal doesn't have nuclear weapons ...
And can't put together enough pieces to create one... Okay.

[sMASH]

Iran just seems to be procrastinators.

[sMASH]

Israel is making it known its bomb run on Iran was with usa. USA made it clear Israel acted alone. Iran said if anyone helped isrel would also be targeted , meaning usa.
Israel is trying to get Iran to attack an American site, to compel USA to join the fun.

Iran can level Israel. Israel and USA would be problematic . But Russia and China can't let Iran fall. They need all pieces functional for the resistance to work.

Iran and usa are trying to keep it I v I.

[sMASH]

Reality surpasses surreality