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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby alfa » May 25th, 2018, 1:18 pm

RedVEVO wrote:
Redman wrote:Yep.
No doubt.
why use an arbitrary qualification ( business ownership) that has no causal relationship to an individual's need/ desire to have a fire arm to defend themselves?

The qualification process should be detailed,rigorous, and timely and relevant.


Ok.

But what is your need to own a gun ? Why ?

If you do not have a business and have no cash to hold or deposit ..

Why do you need a gun ?


How about for hunting as well as sport shooting for those of us who hold membership with legitimate sport shooting associations and would like our own firearm. Same goes for hunters who belong to hunting associations

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby Redman » May 25th, 2018, 5:35 pm

RedVEVO wrote:
Redman wrote:Yep.
No doubt.
why use an arbitrary qualification ( business ownership) that has no causal relationship to an individual's need/ desire to have a fire arm to defend themselves?

The qualification process should be detailed,rigorous, and timely and relevant.


Ok.

But what is your need to own a gun ? Why ?


Why do you need a gun ?


Why is that of any concern to you?
Or any other person.

If I choose to want to drive-I pass an identified test and get going with a car.
I re certify,insure the relevant risks and obey the rules that allow me to do so.
I dont need to justify why I want a car.


If you do not have a business and have no cash to hold or deposit ..


Uh so only people that own a business have cash/to deposit.
Only people that own a business are at risk.
smh
I see the problem here....

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby De Dragon » May 25th, 2018, 6:34 pm

Redman wrote:
RedVEVO wrote:
Redman wrote:Yep.
No doubt.
why use an arbitrary qualification ( business ownership) that has no causal relationship to an individual's need/ desire to have a fire arm to defend themselves?

The qualification process should be detailed,rigorous, and timely and relevant.


Ok.

But what is your need to own a gun ? Why ?


Why do you need a gun ?


Why is that of any concern to you?
Or any other person.

If I choose to want to drive-I pass an identified test and get going with a car.
I re certify,insure the relevant risks and obey the rules that allow me to do so.
I dont need to justify why I want a car.


If you do not have a business and have no cash to hold or deposit ..


Uh so only people that own a business have cash/to deposit.
Only people that own a business are at risk.
smh
I see the problem here....

I see it too, you have entertained this ridiculous argument for much too long.

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby RedVEVO » May 26th, 2018, 3:50 pm

Redman wrote:
RedVEVO wrote:
Redman wrote:Yep.
No doubt.
why use an arbitrary qualification ( business ownership) that has no causal relationship to an individual's need/ desire to have a fire arm to defend themselves?

The qualification process should be detailed,rigorous, and timely and relevant.


Ok.

But what is your need to own a gun ? Why ?


Why do you need a gun ?


Why is that of any concern to you?
Or any other person.

If I choose to want to drive-I pass an identified test and get going with a car.
I re certify,insure the relevant risks and obey the rules that allow me to do so.
I dont need to justify why I want a car.


If you do not have a business and have no cash to hold or deposit ..


Uh so only people that own a business have cash/to deposit.
Only people that own a business are at risk.
smh
I see the problem here....


Car and Gun .. That is your example Redman ?

A Gun is illegal .

Again .. Why do you want a gun ?

The Authorities will ask you the reason since they will need to know it's use.

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby Redman » May 27th, 2018, 9:27 am

RedVEVO wrote:
Redman wrote:
RedVEVO wrote:
Redman wrote:Yep.
No doubt.
why use an arbitrary qualification ( business ownership) that has no causal relationship to an individual's need/ desire to have a fire arm to defend themselves?

The qualification process should be detailed,rigorous, and timely and relevant.


Ok.

But what is your need to own a gun ? Why ?


Why do you need a gun ?


Why is that of any concern to you?
Or any other person.

If I choose to want to drive-I pass an identified test and get going with a car.
I re certify,insure the relevant risks and obey the rules that allow me to do so.
I dont need to justify why I want a car.


If you do not have a business and have no cash to hold or deposit ..


Uh so only people that own a business have cash/to deposit.
Only people that own a business are at risk.
smh
I see the problem here....


Car and Gun .. That is your example Redman ?

A Gun is illegal .

Again .. Why do you want a gun ?

The Authorities will ask you the reason since they will need to know it's use.


Car and Gun
Both are inanimate objects
Both require the state to authorize import sale and ownership
Both are lethal in the wrong hands
Both can be abused where there is mal intent
Both can only be used LEGALLY under license from the state.
Both save lives and do a world of good when used properly.

simple.


Demonstrate to me how not owning a biz obviates my right to protect myself.

You gonna avoid this for a 3rd time?

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby 88sins » May 27th, 2018, 11:40 am

and a fourth, & a fift, & a sixth, etc.

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby *KRONIK* » May 27th, 2018, 11:50 am

Hai guize

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Re: Gun Business ?

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby RedVEVO » May 27th, 2018, 2:07 pm

Redman wrote:
RedVEVO wrote:
Redman wrote:
RedVEVO wrote:
Redman wrote:Yep.
No doubt.
why use an arbitrary qualification ( business ownership) that has no causal relationship to an individual's need/ desire to have a fire arm to defend themselves?

The qualification process should be detailed,rigorous, and timely and relevant.


Ok.

But what is your need to own a gun ? Why ?


Why do you need a gun ?


Why is that of any concern to you?
Or any other person.

If I choose to want to drive-I pass an identified test and get going with a car.
I re certify,insure the relevant risks and obey the rules that allow me to do so.
I dont need to justify why I want a car.


If you do not have a business and have no cash to hold or deposit ..


Uh so only people that own a business have cash/to deposit.
Only people that own a business are at risk.
smh
I see the problem here....


Car and Gun .. That is your example Redman ?

A Gun is illegal .

Again .. Why do you want a gun ?

The Authorities will ask you the reason since they will need to know it's use.


Car and Gun
Both are inanimate objects
Both require the state to authorize import sale and ownership
Both are lethal in the wrong hands
Both can be abused where there is mal intent
Both can only be used LEGALLY under license from the state.
Both save lives and do a world of good when used properly.

simple.


Demonstrate to me how not owning a biz obviates my right to protect myself.

You gonna avoid this for a 3rd time?


In a business you have the risk of being robbed in Trinidad with the crime rate .

If you are a business person , cash has to be transport to Bank etc.

The normal person like yourself with lil education working CEPEP after promoted from DEWD have no problem.

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby Redman » May 27th, 2018, 3:48 pm

If there was any truth to your theory....business owners would be the largest subset in the victims of crime.
You have data to show this?
Link it here.

Facts as I know them say otherwise...but if you have anything other than a feeling...I'm willing to look at the data.

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby mero » May 27th, 2018, 4:21 pm

Imagine arguing with RedVevo

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby RedVEVO » May 27th, 2018, 4:25 pm

mero wrote:Imagine arguing with RedVevo


What's your contribution ?

Wharf Trace Man Mero , you may have unlicensed gun so you do not have to worry .

Just leave de Chinese Restaurant people alone @ Wharf Trace.

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby 88sins » May 27th, 2018, 4:39 pm

RedVEVO wrote:In a business you have the risk of being robbed in Trinidad with the crime rate .

If you are a business person , cash has to be transport to Bank etc.



This argument holds absolutely ZERO merit.
Most business ppl make daily or weekly cash deposits with neither events nor interruptions.
There are metods by which to minimize losses to bandits, including the loss of cash, health by injury & life, whether on the business premises or in transit to or from the bank, none of which require a firearm. & many of those methods are utilized by almost every business owner in T&T.

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby mero » May 27th, 2018, 5:10 pm

RedVEVO wrote:
mero wrote:Imagine arguing with RedVevo


What's your contribution ?

Wharf Trace Man Mero , you may have unlicensed gun so you do not have to worry .

Just leave de Chinese Restaurant people alone @ Wharf Trace.
Imagine waiting 20 years while ac water dripping on yuh application to get approved for a licensed gun lool

Trincity middle aged men like yourself shouldn't be too concerned with the affairs @wharf trace doe

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby kstt » May 27th, 2018, 5:29 pm

I am sure he has a gun. Maybe he should give it back if he feels that strongly about the issue.

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby Redman » May 28th, 2018, 10:52 am

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... udge-says/

A judge has proposed a nationwide programme to file down the points of kitchen knives as a solution to the country’s soaring knife crime epidemic.

Last week in his valedictory address, retiring Luton Crown Court Judge Nic Madge spoke of his concern that carrying a knife had become routine in some circles and called on the Government to ban the sale of large pointed kitchen knives.

Latest figures show stabbing deaths among teenagers and young adults have reached the highest level for eight years, and knife crime overall rose 22 per cent in 2017
In the past two months, he said, there have been 77 knife-related incidents in Bedfordshire, including three killings.
udge Madge told the assembled judges, barristers and court staff: “These offences often seem motiveless - one boy was stabbed because he had an argument a couple of years before at his junior school.”

He said laws designed to reduce the availability of weapons to young would-be offenders had had “almost no effect”, since the vast majority had merely taken knives from a cutlery drawer.

He said: “A few of the blades carried by youths are so called ‘Rambo knives’ or samurai swords. They though are a very small minority.

"The reason why these measures have little effect is that the vast majority of knives carried by youths are ordinary kitchen knives. Every kitchen contains lethal knives which are potential murder weapons.

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Re: Gun Business ?

Postby RedVEVO » May 28th, 2018, 11:34 am

mero wrote:
RedVEVO wrote:
mero wrote:Imagine arguing with RedVevo


What's your contribution ?

Wharf Trace Man Mero , you may have unlicensed gun so you do not have to worry .

Just leave de Chinese Restaurant people alone @ Wharf Trace.
Imagine waiting 20 years while ac water dripping on yuh application to get approved for a licensed gun lool

Trincity middle aged men like yourself shouldn't be too concerned with the affairs @wharf trace doe


Trinity ?

Middle age ? :D :D

Nothing correct today Wharf Man :)

If you had stayed in school today you would be somebody .

Give up the gun and work like normal people.

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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby sMASH » January 11th, 2019, 3:24 pm

https://newsday.co.tt/2019/01/11/busine ... Pinn3js_WY

Newsday wrote: Businessman fires on armed bandits

POLICE are searching for two men who attempted to rob a Port of Spain businessman this afternoon. At about 1 pm, the gunmen entered Sun Kiu Trading Company Ltd, owned and operated by Leon Wong and ordered him to hand over money.

Wong took out his licensed gun and fired several gunshots at the bandits. One of them dropped his gun which was later seized by the police for investigation. Enquiries are continuing by PC Beatrice and Rajkumar.

Newsday understands that sometime later, two men checked themselves into the St James health facility seeking treatment for multiple gunshot wounds. The men were placed under police guard as they may be the ones who attacked Wong.


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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby zoom rader » January 11th, 2019, 4:14 pm

sMASH wrote:I want to do it legally.
You can't, you a small fry.

On the other hand if you have 50k easy to by-pass the red tape .

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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby sMASH » January 11th, 2019, 4:37 pm

:oops:

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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby pugboy » January 11th, 2019, 5:31 pm

Yeah but you get a backdated license and a diff signature
Like signed by John Doe “for commissioner”

zoom rader wrote:
sMASH wrote:I want to do it legally.
You can't, you a small fry.

On the other hand if you have 50k easy to by-pass the red tape .

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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby sMASH » January 11th, 2019, 6:42 pm



well apparently, the police like to act illegally as well... who knew...


i had assumed that the proper channels were sought, and this was the end result.

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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby rspann » January 12th, 2019, 8:27 am

You have the right to bare arms.

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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby timelapse » January 12th, 2019, 9:15 am

Smash, you have arms like a bear as yet, with all the wuk yuh doing?

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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby sMASH » January 12th, 2019, 9:25 am

getting there, getting there... but the back not cooperating

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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby pugboy » January 12th, 2019, 10:39 am

it have a pohleece who does wear shirt with sleeves too tight
one of them who does do news conference thing

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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby RedVEVO » January 13th, 2019, 12:45 am

^^

Arms ?

Trini really cannot organize since there is no co-operation in anything serious - maybe if some $$$ pass - YES

We never had an armed conflict like USA's Civil War etc.

A crazy man tried . He got no co-operation .

We gave his an amnesty just for trying .

Go figure .

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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby 88sins » January 13th, 2019, 6:07 am

the real joke is, after they make their dotish statement how they tried to save face by saying they gonna recommend to c&e to restrict those items.

and the funny thing about that is that C&E has no such authority either :lol:
poor Gary, he own ppl set him up to make an ass of himself at the behest of a few ppl

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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby sMASH » January 15th, 2019, 5:47 pm

https://www.rt.com/news/448884-brazil-b ... RoYClutNMk

rt wrote: Brazil’s Bolsonaro loosens gun laws in homicide-plagued nation
Published time: 15 Jan, 2019 17:25


Brazil’s new right-wing president has signed a decree that makes it easier for civilians to purchase firearms. Jair Bolsonaro believes it’s the answer to a rampant growth in violence.

Fighting violent crimes and loosening gun ownership laws to “guarantee self-defense” were some one of Bolsonaro’s key campaign promises. Brazil saw a record 63,800 homicides in 2017, the last year for which reliable statistics is available. About 43,000 of those were gun-related.
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The promised gun law change came short of a reform for now, with the decree temporarily scrapping the obligation for Brazilians to prove an “effective need” to own a firearm when purchasing one. Introduced in 2003 by President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, the current strict gun ownership law also includes mandatory background checks, a 25-year age limit, being in employment and other requirements, which in practice Brazil has struggled to enforce. Bolsonaro, then a lawmaker, was among the vocal opponents of the law.

For the new Brazilian president, the decree allows congressional approval to be circumvented, but it’s said to be the first step to the promised liberal firearm ownership rules, favored by Bolsonaro’s supporters in gun and defense industries in Brazil.

Much like the NRA in the US, a country notorious for gun violence, he and his supporters argue that armed citizens would be able to fight back against armed gangs. Critics say giving more resources to the police would be a better option.


Known as a fervent gun supporter who often poses with finger guns, Bolsonaro has advised police to ‘shoot to kill’ when dealing with criminals and even promised to figuratively “machine gun” his opposition.

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Re: Right to bear arms

Postby zoom rader » January 15th, 2019, 5:51 pm

^^^ Not going to happen in Trini bro.

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