The Religion Discussion

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Leviticus - what to do!

In her radio show, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:
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Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination .... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of
God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female,
provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations.. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing oder for the Lord -
Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of
abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble
of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to
death at a private family affair, like we do with people
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I'm confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,
James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus,
Dept. Of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia

P.S. It would be a damn shame if we couldn't own a Canadian!

Thanks, lad. You made my day.

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a muslim must let other people practise what they believe is the right way,,,, no matter how much we may disagree with it.

I wish those muslim clerics who keep demanding that the Jews should be eradicated could be reminded of this.

I am still waiting on an answer.

There is a very, very good reason why I asked this question.

You have GOT to be kidding!!!!!!
You know HOW MANY QUESTIONS I have asked you in this thread, and have yet to receive a suitable response??? Ever since the material posted regarding the "Avatar" movie????

[MG Man]

in islam we are told that islam is the best way, nonchalantly indicating that it is not the only way. couple that with the tenant of no compulsion in religion, and a muslim must let other people practise what they believe is the right way,,,, no matter how much we may disagree with it.

orly?

what does the koran say specifically about dealing with non believers?

[mediahouse]

orly?

what does the koran say specifically about dealing with non believers?

to you be yours and to me be mines

also disbelievers will burn in eternal hell

[bluefete]

Nice!! Teach them about evolution on the way to trying to show them that God is not real.

secular schools in secular countries can only use science as fact. The same way they teach students about extinct animals such as Caspian Tigers which lived up to 1957 based on scientific fact, then so too must they teach children about empirical evidence found by science for evolution such as vestigial organs and DNA. The subjects after all are called SCIENCE and BIOLOGY!

If you think they should teach kids that God is real and NOT teach them science then which God should they teach about in schools? The God of Christianity? Islam? Hinduism? Mayan? Egyptian? Which one?

There is only one God. The human blueprint is too precise for there to be any other. Or maybe, after the one God created the blueprint for humans (non-evolutionary), some wanna be came along and tried to mimic the original. Like a competitor trying to re-create a "Mac" but ending up with a generic looking pc. Maybe / Maybe not.

Good grief. Your imagination has overloaded your ability to deal with reality. Duane, what is this state called?

delusional?

de·lu·sion·al
adjective
in Psychiatry a delusional patient is one who maintains fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness.

[bluefete]

orly?

what does the koran say specifically about dealing with non believers?

to you be yours and to me be mines

also disbelievers will burn in eternal hell

So what about people who have never heard of Allah or the Qu'ran? Will they burn in hell too/

Reason, I asked is because Christians are told that when Jesus returns: "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." (Revelation 1:7)

Also the people who will go to hell are those who did wrong things.

[sMASH]

in islam we are told that islam is the best way, nonchalantly indicating that it is not the only way. couple that with the tenant of no compulsion in religion, and a muslim must let other people practise what they believe is the right way,,,, no matter how much we may disagree with it.

orly?

what does the koran say specifically about dealing with non believers?

do u mean to not keep the non believers as close associates? the non believers would be those who do not share the single monotheistic view of god, where he would have no siblings, progeny, co-gods etc. and that they are hostile towards us.

is like, birds of a feather, or don't go where u not welcomed. we are allowed to marry non believers of islam if they share the same view of god as us, and keep descent. also, it is recognized that non believers who are hostile towards muslims may change, so total avoidance is not recommended, but close contact, familiar contact, like friendships, alliances, big business arrangements, marriage, are to be avoided.

say for instance a few blocks away there is a group of people who do not like muslims and are hostile towards persons of that faith, meaning that they harass muslims as they pass, speak badly, quote damning scripture loudly without being asked to do so. some may actually become violent. we are advised not to become close friends with those of that group, not to have close business relations with them, not to have marriages out of that group. we would avoid going in that area, to avoid confrontations. we would still have to be polite, courteous, amiable, when the opportunity presents itself. but, in other words, if we are not welcomed then we would not go.


now, if members of that 'sect' are close by like a neighbor, then you would treat the neighbor as a neighbor until they do something offensive. if they continue to be good neighbors then keep that, as they are not hostile.

[MG Man]

what I meant was, I've heard many muslim clerics say it's the DUTY of a muslim to ocnvert a non muslim, not live and let live........

[mediahouse]

Reason, I asked is because Christians are told that when Jesus returns: "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." (Revelation 1:7)

Also the people who will go to hell are those who did wrong things.

Not really as the imam from our mosque gave this lecture and he said there are nations today that still dont know of any religion weather hindu, muslim etc example those poverty places like Africa, zambia etc .The reason for such is that the message of religion never reached those people or all of mankind.

On the day of judgement our lord Allah will appoint a messenger to them and ask if they want to follow him or not if they choose yes then they will be saved, if not then hell therin shall lay.

Our god is not a unjust god people who have not heard of religion will be given a chance to choose when the hour of judgement reaches.


as for muslims trying to convert every one its not so we are just here to give the message its up to you to believe or not

[bluefete]

what I meant was, I've heard many muslim clerics say it's the DUTY of a muslim to ocnvert a non muslim, not live and let live........

This was going to be my next question.

A non-muslim woman must convert to Islam if she wants to marry a muslim.

A non-muslim man who wants to marry a muslim woman must covert to Islam or that woman will be cut off from her family.

But we have many instances in T&T where Catholics marry muslims (without cross-converting) and Hindus marry Muslims.

At the end of the day, it is more about how 2 people love each other than what religion they belong to.

(I don't know what is happening with my typing and these spelling mistakes. I don't think I am dyslexic. Must be the age.)

[bluefete]

Reason, I asked is because Christians are told that when Jesus returns: "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." (Revelation 1:7)

Also the people who will go to hell are those who did wrong things.

Not really as the imam from our mosque gave this lecture and he said there are nations today that still dont know of any religion weather hindu, muslim etc example those poverty places like Africa, zambia etc .The reason for such is that the message of religion never reached those people or all of mankind. I disagree with the Imam on this point. People in these societies have their own religion. Likewise the people who live in the deep recesses of the Amazon also have their own religion. We may not understand it but it does not change the fact that they also believe in a spiritual entity of some sort.

On the day of judgement our lord Allah will appoint a messenger to them and ask if they want to follow him or not if they choose yes then they will be saved, if not then hell therin shall lay.

Our god is not a unjust god people who have not heard of religion will be given a chance to choose when the hour of judgement reaches.

Well, God is good. It was never his intention that people go into eternal suffering. But at the end of the day, the choice is ours to make.

as for muslims trying to convert every one its not so we are just here to give the message its up to you to believe or not

[MG Man]

On the day of judgement our lord Allah will appoint a messenger to them and ask if they want to follow him or not if they choose yes then they will be saved, if not then hell therin shall lay.

Our god is not a unjust god people who have not heard of religion will be given a chance to choose when the hour of judgement reaches.

so you saying it's choose me or suffer horribly for all eternity?
is that a god or a dictator?

[Chimera]

the flying spaghetti monster loves all.

[K74T]

At the end of the day, it is more about how 2 people love each other than what religion they belong to.

This.

[bluefete]

On the day of judgement our lord Allah will appoint a messenger to them and ask if they want to follow him or not if they choose yes then they will be saved, if not then hell therin shall lay.

Our god is not a unjust god people who have not heard of religion will be given a chance to choose when the hour of judgement reaches.

so you saying it's choose me or suffer horribly for all eternity?
is that a god or a dictator?

MGMan: By that time, people will be face to face with the truth. So being given a choice seems reasonable to me. The choice will still be yours.

[MG Man]

On the day of judgement our lord Allah will appoint a messenger to them and ask if they want to follow him or not if they choose yes then they will be saved, if not then hell therin shall lay.

Our god is not a unjust god people who have not heard of religion will be given a chance to choose when the hour of judgement reaches.

so you saying it's choose me or suffer horribly for all eternity?
is that a god or a dictator?

MGMan: By that time, people will be face to face with the truth. So being given a choice seems reasonable to me. The choice will still be yours.

and how I supposed to know is the truth, and not some mind game being played by a false prophet or demon?

[MG Man]

At the end of the day, it is more about how 2 people love each other than what religion they belong to.

This.

this is a human idea, not a religious one

very few religions at their core practice tolerance
it is the believer's duty to convert and spread the word of his god, one way or another
most people cannot live by the book because of how much bullcrap the books hold

[mediahouse]

On the day of judgement our lord Allah will appoint a messenger to them and ask if they want to follow him or not if they choose yes then they will be saved, if not then hell therin shall lay.

Our god is not a unjust god people who have not heard of religion will be given a chance to choose when the hour of judgement reaches.

so you saying it's choose me or suffer horribly for all eternity?
is that a god or a dictator?

MGMan: By that time, people will be face to face with the truth. So being given a choice seems reasonable to me. The choice will still be yours.

Well i am not saying this will be so with the atheist people , once people have resources and material to educate themselves then they have no excuse for not seeking god.

Its not like you will live all your life an atheist and when the judgement day comes you will choose and then you say you believe and you will go to heaven it dont work so my friend.
its very hard to convince some one into something especially when they have their own beliefs no matter if you show some evident of Existence they still dont believe. once again i bring back this video to show how many times our lord allah name appears in nature and all over the world


also the baby i show again


Both videos has messages of allah and his existence, its not nature and co incidence.

You people ask for proof when we show something you say its nature playing tricks and co incidence. I dont know what really more proof you need ?? Do tell us what type of proof you are looking for.

I showed my hindu friend the baby video and she said the parents are using mehendi to write on the baby skin and fool the media , like really?

[mediahouse]

oh and finally people like to ask where god came from and who made him.

The answer is god is eternal he has no beginning or end , we cannot compare our creation and attributes to those of god.

hes just simple existing

[sMASH]

the flying spaghetti monster loves all.

... because he's too wasted to recognize any body.


mg man, them clerics is mad men. there is clearly in quran that god decides if ur a believer or not. we cannot 'convert' nobody.

what they use is the instruction to spread the word of god or the message we believe that was sent. this is called dawa. it is so important that we are allowed to miss a daily prayer( which by the way is very important. each of the daily prayers is more important than the id prayers which come at the two eids per year) if one i performing dawa.

we have a duty to spread the word of god, like the jehovia an dem, but to those that would hear it. we are not be nuisance though.
belief in islam is up to god, whether we spread the word to them or not. but if they are intended to believe in god, they may hear about it from another source and that source would be gaining the blessing instead of u.
is like this, god decrees that some one was to believe in islam who didn't before. the day i see them i decide not to tell them, and the next day someone else does. that person would get the blessing of performing dawa, spreading the word of god to the non believers and those non believers ended up believing. now, i could have told them about islam, and when they believe i would get the blessings.

we have a duty to spread the word not to convert people. when i read ur comment about the clerics i actually laughed out loud. they twist the words and say we have to convert them. a near heathen like me, know this is not so according to the black and white. these are what the westerners term, 'extremists' or islamists. this attitude can be further extended to if they don't want to convert to kill them so it is wrong to harbor.

the fact that it is clear to spread the word and not try to convert, as that is only for god to do, means that they are putting things which are not there, changing the truth, what we call the kafir. those who simply don't know are called the non believers, the wicked people who know and still preach, teach and change the words are called kafir.
they are especially bad.

those clerics are in clear error.

[sMASH]

islam is the religion of peace ( or supposed to be so). every thing must be in this context.
one should try to achieve peace by inclusion and association. if that cannot be done, then tolerance. if tolerance is not possible, then separation, u keep to ur self and we to ourselves. if that degenerates then we are allowed to defend ourselves. only if we know about a clear attack then can we take initiative to make the first strike. as soon as the other party surrenders, all offensive actions must stop.

what those guys preaching is wrong.

[MG Man]

sad that your god, who revealed his book f peace wrote it so poorly that people can find passages in it to support sick and twisted forms of violence and oppression...........and before you say 'you have a choice how u choose to interpret, or good vs evil blah blah blah, it sucks that his misinterpretted word is used to suffer people who have no beef with islam.............and same foe the bible as well..........god is one twistedfuck to write such shiddy books

and sMASN, I glad for you and your islamic miracles, but how do you reconcile this with christian and hindu miracles that are also present all around the world?

[sMASH]

if u had 25 dollars, what would u do with it? some would go check out a movie, others would buy ice cream.
some people are amazed by the miracles. i am not. i see many ways they can be forged. i am not saying that they are not true, because i don't have the means to prove them nor disprove them. i am saying that they do not amaze me, and i don't see the benefit. is like if crystals coming out ur eye, what is the use of that? is the world better because of it?
like when i asked some more learned people about if adam (pbuh) had a belly button. there response was, what is the point if he had one or not? if he had one, what then, if he hadn't what then?


one thing that would be hard to forge would be coming back to life after a decapitation. i would be amazed after seeing that.

[MG Man]

sMASH my bad, I just realized it was medialouse who posted the miracles videos

[bluefete]

And the battle continues to keep God in schools!!


Ban teaching creationism at school, say academics

By Fiona Macrae

Last updated at 1:27 AM on 19th September 2011

The teaching of creationism should be outlawed in school science lessons, a group of leading scientists have said.

And the curriculum should be changed to ensure evolution is taught from when children start school, according to academics including Sir David Attenborough and Professor Richard Dawkins

Those behind the call for ‘evolution not creationism’ say teaching that God created the world is dangerous and must be prevented by law.

Drives by creationist groups at schools mean there is a sense of urgency, they add.

Evolution – the idea that we are shaped by advantageous genes being passed through generations over billions of years – does not feature in the national curriculum until the time of GCSEs.

The discussion of creationism and the theory of intelligent design – a view that evolution is fine-tuned by God – is encouraged but not part of the curriculum.

Prof Dawkins, a geneticist and author of the God Delusion, said last night: ‘We need to stop calling evolution a theory. It is as solidly demonstrated as any fact.’

Jack Valero, of Catholic Voices, said evolution should not be used to suggest God does not exist.

Dr Peter Saunders, of the Christian Medical Fellowship, said pupils should be taught to respect all views about how life began.

Science curriculum must evolve: Sir David Attenborough says creationism should be banned from the classroom

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1YMSYiHL0

[craig lee quay]

Maybe these non believers should see some true testimonies online!! like bring people back to life, healing the sick, People limbs growing before human eyes., holy spirit guiding people , all thanks to my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ. I myself dodged death upon multiple occasions, And i appreciate and thank him for that! and i have been EVERY type of religion , and trust me when you are faced with a Demon 10x times your size...the only name can send them back to the burning never ending torture cave where they belong.. is Jesus --> and that's MY opinion, and fair Knowledge !

[mediahouse]

so mg man let me ask you this and your opinion - according to a none believer this world is an unfair and unjust world then? The wicked will go unpunished ?
people who committing crimes an murdering people when they die thats it for them? So what you saying basically is the man who being all godly versus the man whom doing evil will get the same fate when they die ?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ from MG Man's purely scientific standpoint both good people and evil people ALL can get sick and ALL die
there is no scientific proof of a heaven or hell or even of reincarnation

[Chimera]

Maybe these non believers should see some true testimonies online!! !

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Maybe these non believers should see some true testimonies online!! like bring people back to life, healing the sick, People limbs growing before human eyes., holy spirit guiding people , all thanks to my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ.

post links please

we have been BEGGING megadoc1 for some empirical evidence of this ever since he claimed that he can cast our demons and heal the sick through Christ.

if you have this evidence please post it!