The Religion Discussion

[QG]

That Rodent looks scary!!!

Imagine seeing that in our present day and time

[mediahouse]

so now man evolve from rats? I thought they first say apes?
So why did evolution stop with the human race? how come humans dont evolve again?

Anyhow the people seeking evidence of god looking for some sort of tangible evidence or being that says -i am god and i can do this and that etc.

The fact is that god is intangible meaning you cant see him or touch him .

Its just like love you cant see love or hold love in your hand but yet love exist not so?

So the moral is god is a being that is intangible means you cant physically touch .

To all the atheists here if god didnt exist what about these people in history
Moses, jesus, Noah , etc...
Are you denying that these prophets are all fake stories?

Noah ark was found and there was evidence of the great flood, where and how did Noah know to build this boat and knew about the flood that was coming?
Clearly it was divine intervention and he was given the message from a being greater than him.

what does the atheist say about noah and the flood ?

[d spike]

so now man evolve from rats? I thought they first say apes?

As I have said before, NO-ONE ever said "man evolved from apes". This BS is spouted by anti-evolutionists to discredit the evolutionary theory. What is suggested is that mammals (man included) share some common ancestor.

The fact is that god is intangible meaning you cant see him or touch him .

Its just like love you cant see love or hold love in your hand but yet love exist not so?

So the moral is god is a being that is intangible means you cant physically touch .

Wow. After hundreds of years' worth of theological discussion and study, you would think this nonsensical concept would remain buried...
(sigh)
You can't see God, and you can't touch Him... so the fact that you aren't seeing Him or touching Him is proof that He's there...
Come on lad... comparing the concept of God to the concept of a feeling?
Leave beatnik philosophy/psychobabble for weed-smoking nitwits...

what does the atheist say about noah and the flood ?

If you really want answers to this question, just do a search for the thread "question about Noah's ark....." in the old talk forum by MG Man.

[mediahouse]

So because u can't see god he's nOt real? I guess u don't
Believe in the super natural? Love is intangible u believe in love
My point is together with the old scriptures it speaks of a
Higher presence than humans . U still didnt answer about
Jesus or moses etc

[d spike]

The fact is that god is intangible meaning you cant see him or touch him .

So the moral is god is a being that is intangible means you cant physically touch .

To all the atheists here if god didnt exist what about these people in history
Moses, jesus, Noah , etc...
Are you denying that these prophets are all fake stories?

What does the existence of these goodly gentlemen have to do with God?
How does whether they existed or not affect whether God exists or not? Because they spoke about Him?
MG Man exists... does that prove Religion is BS? Megadoc has said plenty about God and has claimed to perform miracles? His saying so proves God exists?

[d spike]

So because u can't see god he's nOt real? I guess u don't
Believe in the super natural?

First of all, theologians have long agreed that this argument is as watertight as a pail without a bottom. That's your argument? Have you seen the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No? There's your proof he exists, huh?
Please... That is why I always advise those who wish to publicly argue pro-religious arguments to study first before they make themselves (and, more importantly, their beliefs) look stupid.

Love is intangible u believe in love
My point is together with the old scriptures it speaks of a
Higher presence than humans .

Yes, scripture does talk of God. That's your point? ET speaks of aliens. Tremors speaks of giant man-eating worms...

U still didnt answer about
Jesus or moses etc

Dear me... how remiss of me. You mean this question?

To all the atheists here if god didnt exist what about these people in history
Moses, jesus, Noah , etc...
Are you denying that these prophets are all fake stories?

As I am not an atheist (a fact which annoyed poor megadoc no end) this question was clearly not directed at me.

[Chimera]

First of all, theologians have long agreed that this argument is as watertight as a pail without a bottom. That's your argument? Have you seen the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No? There's your proof he exists, huh?
Please... That is why I always advise those who wish to publicly argue pro-religious arguments to study first before they make themselves (and, more importantly, their beliefs) look stupid.

I would like to step in at this point to warn you to please don't utter the Flying Spaghetti Monster's name in your faith/god arguments.

We the pastafaris take great offence at this.

R`amen.

[d spike]

I would like to step in at this point to warn you to please don't utter the Flying Spaghetti Monster's name in your faith/god arguments.

We the pastafaris take great offence at this.

R`amen.

Apart from eating oats and Crix, I have always strove to never offend His Noodleness...

[d spike]

Love is intangible u believe in love
My point is together with the old scriptures it speaks of a
Higher presence than humans .

Scripture is writings, that's all. Faith in the religion that promotes the scripture is what provides the belief in the truth, authenticity and spiritual authority of said writings.
Hunger, anger, lust and greed are also intangible...

That's your proof? That's your argument?

To all the atheists here if god didnt exist what about these people in history
Moses, jesus, Noah , etc...
Are you denying that these prophets are all fake stories?

What does the existence of these goodly gentlemen have to do with God?
How does whether they existed or not affect whether God exists or not? Because they spoke about Him?
MG Man exists... does that prove Religion is BS? Megadoc has said plenty about God and has claimed to perform miracles? His saying so proves God exists?

[trini mk5]

I like that setup aba boi

[DFC]

feelsgoodfacepalm.jpg.

[MG Man]

so now man evolve from rats? I thought they first say apes?
So why did evolution stop with the human race? how come humans dont evolve again?

stop asking dumb questions and do some PROPER research on the subject

Anyhow the people seeking evidence of god looking for some sort of tangible evidence or being that says -i am god and i can do this and that etc.

The fact is that god is intangible meaning you cant see him or touch him .

Its just like love you cant see love or hold love in your hand but yet love exist not so?

So the moral is god is a being that is intangible means you cant physically touch .

so basically god is an idea........thanks for taking my side on that one ;p

To all the atheists here if god didnt exist what about these people in history
Moses, jesus, Noah , etc...
Are you denying that these prophets are all fake stories?

yes they are stories...have you any idea how many stories from the bible were borrowed from previous cultures? not to mention duplications...read sodom & gomorrah and then read the one with LOt.......the same fcuking story
and what abuot the people and places from the Bhagavad Gita? Those are also real.........so which one do I believe?

Noah ark was found and there was evidence of the great flood, where and how did Noah know to build this boat and knew about the flood that was coming?
Clearly it was divine intervention and he was given the message from a being greater than him.

they never found an ark..........just a pile of boat-shaped dirt......and guess what, the great flood story was stolen from a Sumerian story...........which was written waaaaaaybefore christianity was invented

what does the atheist say about noah and the flood ?

the flood never happened on a global scale........there were several localized floods in that part of the world back then, including the Tigress overflowing

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

so now man evolve from rats? I thought they first say apes?
So why did evolution stop with the human race? how come humans dont evolve again?

you're kidding right?

you've never read up on evolution or did the basics in CXC biology?

all life evolved from single cell creatures.
Therefore the rodents are part of the process. We didnt start off as apes but we share common ancestors. The genetic difference between humans and chimps is less than 2%.

And we have not stopped evolving!
Evolution takes place very slowly and it took millions of years for us to evolve into what we are today. We are still evolving: the human appendix (the thing that gives you appendicitis) was used as extra storage for food next to the stomach when humans foraged for food as hunter/gatherers and meals were days or even weeks apart. When humans learned to grow and harvest crops, store and preserve food we ended up having food throughout the year. Eventually over thousands of years the appendix wasn't needed anymore and it became a vestigial organ (google it). Just like the back legs of whales were no longer needed and they became vestigial too, which is why whales hind legs are very tiny and their front legs became large pectoral fins. Remember whales are mammals.

[MG Man]

duane why you even bothering with this twit
one more of the amazing subset of computer literate illiterates

[bluefete]

If God needed to deliver a message, then He would have to communicate with each group separately, and His message would have to be couched within each group's culture and way of thinking in order for them to appreciate and accept it.

This is a most interesting comment. So if Krishna in Hinduism is related to Brahma, for example, it raises the possibility that Jesus came more than once to die for people in different cultures.

Why woould he want to do that anyway?

Or maybe, he did really travel around during those so-called "lost" years from 12-30.

We will never truly know.

[bluefete]

so now man evolve from rats? I thought they first say apes?
So why did evolution stop with the human race? how come humans dont evolve again?

you're kidding right?

you've never read up on evolution or did the basics in CXC biology?

all life evolved from single cell creatures.
Therefore the rodents are part of the process. We didnt start off as apes but we share common ancestors. The genetic difference between humans and chimps is less than 2%.

And we have not stopped evolving!
Evolution takes place very slowly and it took millions of years for us to evolve into what we are today. We are still evolving: the human appendix (the thing that gives you appendicitis) was used as extra storage for food next to the stomach when humans foraged for food as hunter/gatherers and meals were days or even weeks apart. When humans learned to grow and harvest crops, store and preserve food we ended up having food throughout the year. Eventually over thousands of years the appendix wasn't needed anymore and it became a vestigial organ (google it). Just like the back legs of whales were no longer needed and they became vestigial too, which is why whales hind legs are very tiny and their front legs became large pectoral fins. Remember whales are mammals.

That's why doctor's say the appendix has "no use" today. But if it ruptures it can kill you. Hmmmmmm.

And we are still looking for that "common ancestor",not so?

I would still like to know though, Duane - Was one single cell creature the source of all life or many single cell creatures?

From what did they "evolve"? Obviously, in line with your thesis, these organisms would have had to evolve from something!!

This would greatly put my mind at ease about evolution.

[bluefete]

Aba: You have a whole comoputer just for Tuner??????

[MG Man]

If God needed to deliver a message, then He would have to communicate with each group separately, and His message would have to be couched within each group's culture and way of thinking in order for them to appreciate and accept it.

This is a most interesting comment. So if Krishna in Hinduism is related to Brahma, for example, it raises the possibility that Jesus came more than once to die for people in different cultures.

Why woould he want to do that anyway?

Or maybe, he did really travel around during those so-called "lost" years from 12-30.

We will never truly know.

you basing your belief on speculation and wishful thinking now?

[bluefete]

If God needed to deliver a message, then He would have to communicate with each group separately, and His message would have to be couched within each group's culture and way of thinking in order for them to appreciate and accept it.

This is a most interesting comment. So if Krishna in Hinduism is related to Brahma, for example, it raises the possibility that Jesus came more than once to die for people in different cultures.

Why woould he want to do that anyway?

Or maybe, he did really travel around during those so-called "lost" years from 12-30.

We will never truly know.

you basing your belief on speculation and wishful thinking now?

I am allowing my mind to wander into different realms!

[MG Man]

If God needed to deliver a message, then He would have to communicate with each group separately, and His message would have to be couched within each group's culture and way of thinking in order for them to appreciate and accept it.

This is a most interesting comment. So if Krishna in Hinduism is related to Brahma, for example, it raises the possibility that Jesus came more than once to die for people in different cultures.

Why woould he want to do that anyway?

Or maybe, he did really travel around during those so-called "lost" years from 12-30.

We will never truly know.

you basing your belief on speculation and wishful thinking now?

I am allowing my mind to wander into different realms!

orly?
your book does not offer you enough info to go on, so u have to wander in the wild?

[MG Man]

[d spike]

This would greatly put my mind at ease about evolution.

Your mind needs to be "put at ease" regarding evolution?
Do you spend sleepless nights agonizing... whether that fondness for bananas is an ominous trait, rather than a simple craving?
...that you just might be more closely related to simians than you already believe you are?

...Please. How could such information change in your life? What is it that you are afraid of?
Are you going to charge off into the forest to bring the Good News to your new-found cousins? Or marry one of them?

Finding out that an illicit love-affair between Grunk and Heta millions of years ago spawned two brothers, one who would take his place in the family business of eating fruit and throwing crap, while the other would be ostracized for his ungainly bipedal walk and his usurious habit of offering loans at 12% interest...
...How is that going to affect you? How you live? What you do?

The bottom-line is that... IT WON'T.
All that bothers you is that you... might... be... wrong.

PRIDE
...ARROGANCE
...VANITY.
That is what is going to be affected.

[bluefete]

If God needed to deliver a message, then He would have to communicate with each group separately, and His message would have to be couched within each group's culture and way of thinking in order for them to appreciate and accept it.

This is a most interesting comment. So if Krishna in Hinduism is related to Brahma, for example, it raises the possibility that Jesus came more than once to die for people in different cultures.

Why woould he want to do that anyway?

Or maybe, he did really travel around during those so-called "lost" years from 12-30.

We will never truly know.

you basing your belief on speculation and wishful thinking now?

I am allowing my mind to wander into different realms!

orly?
your book does not offer you enough info to go on, so u have to wander in the wild?

I was responding to an idea raised by Spike. Even Jesus had to deal with ideas and parameters that were totally different from his own perspective. For example, people who believed in re-incarnation or who did not believe in a resurrection.

[bluefete]

Ah yes.

Richard Dawkins - The God of the Atheists!!!!

[bluefete]

MGMan: Dawkins is wrong. There is an orbiting teapot. There are many orbiting teapots.

If teapots are part of the planet earth and the earth orbits around the sun, does this not make them orbiting teapots?????

[bluefete]

A question for you scientists:

If you are falling face down from the top of a roof, can you turn yourself over to land on your back before you hit the concrete floor below?

Only people with actual experience need answer.

[bluefete]

Spikey: I don't have to worry about marrying one of my simian "cousins".

The Bible does infer that way back in time before our bodies "evolved' into what they are today, the first created peoples had sex with each other. Cain and Abel had sex with thier sisters in order for procreation to occur.

I have no problem with anyone proving that I am wrong in my belief about God but so far no one has been able to disprove it. Unlike the Dawkins concept in the above video which states that the burden of proof lies with me.

Rationalisation has its place. After all, the economic man theory did not consider that humans were more than econmoic beings. But it is still very much in use today.

That does not disprove God's existence.

[d spike]

Ah yes.
Richard Dawkins - The God of the Atheists!!!!

MGMan: Dawkins is wrong. There is an orbiting teapot. There are many orbiting teapots.

If teapots are part of the planet earth and the earth orbits around the sun, does this not make them orbiting teapots?????

Ah yesss... the classical focal-avoidance answer. How bluefetian...
Make a silly remark (Ah yes. Richard Dawkins - The God of the Atheists!!!!), ask a nonsensical question (hoping that its rhetorical nature makes it seem intelligent and masks the fact that it has nothing to do with what it questions)... and hope that it passes as an intelligent response.
I guess you did not not read my post regarding "responses", huh?

Bluefete, as was told to others before: emoticons are embellishments, not a response.

[d spike]

Spikey: I don't have to worry about marrying one of my simian "cousins".

Been there, done that, huh?
(Sorry, lad. My sense of humour got the better of me there. Bad joke, poor taste, won't happen again, *stifles a fit of laughing* ahem, sorry.)

I have no problem with anyone proving that I am wrong in my belief about God but so far no one has been able to disprove it. Unlike the Dawkins concept in the above video which states that the burden of proof lies with me.

...and it doesn't?????
Look here, sit back and observe the pattern that has taken place in this thread (and elsewhere where this similar argument crops up).
Evolutionists are being asked to provide proof to support their argument.
How come it is unfair to ask the opposing side to do the same?
While I disagree with this treatment of faith and science as being similar, it is the bible-thumpers who started this ludicrous form of argument... so I say drink the same soup that you serve to others...

Rationalisation has its place.

I am not sure why this statement is phrased in this belittling fashion, as it 'infers' rational thinking is less than it really is - that it is confined to a part of the argument, rather than being the underlying weave that holds all together... the rails that the different trains of thought run on, so to speak.
Perhaps this condescending statement refers to the attempts of folks swayed by error and fads to justify their reasoning - in which case, I will say that error is error.
Rational thinking and logic are extremely important as they give an argument cause to exist. Theology wouldn't exist without it.

That does not disprove God's existence.

So? And? Yet you attempt to disprove the veracity of the arguments of others - nothing wrong with that, by the way... just attempt this using more than avoidance and emoticons, okay?

Cheers

[megadoc1]

A question for you scientists:

If you are falling face down from the top of a roof, can you turn yourself over to land on your back before you hit the concrete floor below?

Only people with actual experience need answer.

this guy looked kinda relaxed , maybe he could have done it but had other things to think about at that moment,i don't know