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Why do you believe what you believe? Since you are a biology student doing well in your studies I am curious to know since modern biology teaches of evolution and you don't believe man evolved from apes.meccalli wrote: I cannot claim to be right but I can present to you what I believe.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:honestly I haven't seen an iota of this in any of the posts in here from the religious supporters though.d spike wrote: contemplation and introspection.
If any contemplation or introspection is done, it was done by the non-religious supporters if only because the religious ones felt they need not contemplate anything since they have their texts which already contain EVERYTHING they need to know, negating the need for any sort of introspection.
I was just responding to your query as far as "Lent" was concerned...d spike wrote:...a group of Christians deciding to set aside a specific time for contemplation and introspection.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:honestly I haven't seen an iota of this in any of the posts in here from the religious supporters though.
meccalli wrote: I'm happy to know that God has graced you with such wisdom and discernment.
meccalli wrote: For as blood sacrifices.. I think that goes back to adam and eve, God kills animals and sheds blood in order to cover them and thus their sin. That was kinda ordained from then that without shedding of blood, there's no remission of sins. Then as you know Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice and banished a lot of stuff as a result. Keep that in mind..
meccalli wrote: The text with rebellious kids talks about presenting a child as a drunkard and a wicked one...*long time * to see kids drunk was a rare sight..image how rebellious those teens were back then to get to that point..they'd probably be 17-18+. It also goes on to speak about purging evil from among you..kinda like what we do when we put people in jail or to death. I mean we probably wouldn't have the kinda crime today if it were practiced. Kids were brought up strict back then i would like to imagine.
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meccalli wrote: With regards to the menstruation, i think the text revolves around sexual contact of any sort with a woman while she's on her time. Many changes occurred when adam and eve got booted .. i would believe it would have to do with the experiences there as a result. In a way these regulations remind us of our sinful state naturally and force us to observe periods of uncleanliness as blood and life giving discharge possess such power and meaning in them.
meccalli wrote:LOL kasey, i don't have to cuss to come up with answers..there's the bible, friends, good references and my own opinion.
I really can't break it down any further from my last post which you expressed your thoughts as being mumbo jumbo, but what it is, is exactly that.
When jesus established a new covenant with man alot of past observations changed, iffy stuff that was spoken about in leviticus may seem queer to all of us including me, but I really live my life trying to please God according to jesus' teaching. The bible indeed is a guidebook, a manual in essence how to live but it is God inspired. I was never one to take things wholesale from the bible since it indeed has been written by man and in a different time, that's why i listen to persons with a greater understanding than myself for some sort of interpretation. The only reason I believe in Christ today is through my experience in being a witness to alot of supernatural events,and while i'm still young i hope to grow in better understanding of the things i've seen.
meccalli wrote:LOL kasey, i don't have to cuss to come up with answers..there's the bible, friends, good references and my own opinion.
I really can't break it down any further from my last post which you expressed your thoughts as being mumbo jumbo, but what it is, is exactly that. ritualistic behaviour and rites that follow no logical sense, reason or link t cause and effectWhen jesus established a new covenant with man alot of past observations changed, So basically god can't make up his mind? first the ten commandments to moses, then all the new ritual commandments re sin and absolution to Aaron via moses, and now God Jr. aka Jesus decides to make a kinder, gentler doctrine????? iffy stuff that was spoken about in leviticus may seem queer to all of us including me, but I really live my life trying to please God according to jesus' teaching. So why not according to the teachings of the old testament? Are you saying there are two types of teachins and you decide which to choose? Shouldn't god's rulse and god Junior's rules be essentially one and the same? The bible indeed is a guidebook, a manual in essence how to live but it is God inspired. I was never one to take things wholesale from the bible since it indeed has been written by man and in a different time, that's why i listen to persons with a greater understanding than myself for some sort of interpretation. You have just described the mindset that led to the rise and fall of the Catholic church during the middle ages, ie RC said 'you need the priest to act as a go-between for you simple man canot understand the bible...then folks like Martin Luther and John Calvin stood up and said 'what level of bumseeness is this? man can and should read and understand and talk to god directly' and voila...wars, seggregation, spanish inquisition et al. You saying god wrote a book that was more advanced than his humble servants could understand? Thereby leading the way for misunderstanding, misinformation, corruption, hate, lies, deceit, wars etc? god's work sounds awfully devilish to me.....The only reason I believe in Christ today is through my experience in being a witness to alot of supernatural events,and while i'm still young i hope to grow in better understanding of the things i've seen....remarkable my friend...........a thousand years ago the ballpoint pen, holograms and internet porn would have seemed awfully supernatural too.....why must something that you cannot understand or explain be automatically be ascribed to god / supernatural.........your logic led to the fall of so many indigenous peoples all over the world...not to mention the rise of so many Cargo Cults in the South Pacific (yeah go google it)
meccalli wrote: that's why i listen to persons with a greater understanding than myself for some sort of interpretation.
d spike wrote:Big red rice-eater
Kasey wrote:d spike wrote:Big red rice-eater
Pics or it didnt happen.
MG Man wrote:two ah Aaron sons presented an unclean offering to god and he do what????? bun de fcukers krispy
There are many opinions regarding the actions of the sons of Aaron, almost all agreeing that a sin was committed. As to the nature and cause of the sin, the commentaries (based on various Midrashim) differ.
According to one approach, the problem was that the two entered the Sanctuary drunk, evidenced by the section in the Torah which follows this episode. Aaron is warned against entering the Temple to perform service while intoxicated:
And God spoke to Aaron saying, 'Do not drink wine or strong drink, neither you nor your sons when you enter the Tent of Meeting lest you die.' (Leviticus 10:8-9)
The logic is that this is mentioned now, following the deaths of Aaron's sons, because that was their sin. Alternatively we may say that the problem was that the offering of incense was not called for, but it was the drunkenness which caused the error in judgment, resulting in the "strange fire" which was offered.
How could they have allowed themselves to drink again at the dedication ceremony, and then offer the "strange fire"?
Think about it...
The wine which was drunk by Nadav and Avihu represents the wine which Noah drank, and the wine which Adam and Eve drank...
This teaching follows the opinion that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was actually a grapevine, and the sin of Adam and Eve was partaking of this forbidden wine.
The Leshem, one of the greatest modern day Kabalistic works, explains that Nadav and Avihu were great religious leaders, and they were trying to bring about forgiveness for the sin of Adam. This is the reason that they used "Adam's grapes." They wished to rectify his sin.
This last explanation allows us to view Nadav and Avihu in a different light.Rather than selfish sinners, they were great spiritualists trying to mend the world.
Let us reconsider their actions on the 8th day of the dedication of the Tabernacle. On this day, the day which represents the metaphysical (the number 8 is one beyond the natural, which is represented by 7), their father is called upon to offer the calf and bring about forgiveness for the sin of the Golden Calf. The people will offer a goat and bring about forgiveness for the sale of Joseph. Perhaps the only major sin which still needed rectification was the sin of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. If that can be accomplished, a new world awaits.
Adam drank and hid from God; Nadav and Avihu drank after staring at God. When, in the dedication of the Tabernacle, the fire came down and filled the area, the people hid their faces. Nadav and Avihu felt that this generation needed a new approach, one that should have been adopted in the Garden -- instead of hiding from God, they confronted God. They offered the fire back to God, but God took them as well.
This, then, may unify all the opinions regarding their sin: they sought a new direction for this generation, as referred to in their speculations about leading the nation. They were infused with the sense of an historic mission which would set the world on a new course and they therefore had no time or energy to spare for wives or children.
"They were conceited, many woman awaited them eagerly (to marry them) but what did they say? 'Our uncle is King, our other uncle is a head of a tribe, our father is High Priest, we are his two assistants. What woman is worthy of us?'" (Midrash Rabbah 20:10)
This gives a different picture of Nadav and Avihu. They sound quite self absorbed, and it is difficult to imagine such characters being spiritual leaders.
Both the scriptures and the Talmud recount instances where these two brothers are in a position to think they were to become the future leaders -
To Moses [God] said, 'Ascend to God, you, and Aaron, and Nadav and Avihu, and the seventy elders of Israel, and they shall prostrate themselves from afar ...' Moses and Aaron, Nadav and Avihu, and the seventy elders arose. They saw the Lord of Israel and beneath His feet, like a brickwork of sapphire ... And to the aristocracy of the Children of Israel, He [God] did not strike His hand. They viewed the Lord, they ate and drank. (Exodus 24:1,9-11)
This enigmatic passage may hold the key to understanding the offense of Nadav and Avihu. They are separated from the rest of the nation, leading them to think of themselves early on, at the time of the giving of the Torah, as future leaders. They are invited to join Moses, and they have a better vantage point than the rest of the nation.
Moses and Aaron were walking along, as Nadav and Avihu were behind them, and all of Israel behind them. Nadav said to Avihu, "When these two elders die, you and I will lead this generation." God said to them "Let's see who buries whom." (Talmud Bavli, Sanhedrin 52a)
The picture which emerges from these sources, is of a pair of individuals who allowed their position to get the best of them.
meccalli wrote:God always had leaders to which he gave great understanding so that he may relate to his people
wikipedia.com wrote:Scientific explanations
Scientific explanations for these physical and psychological phenomena have been suggested, including mental illness, hypnosis, and learned behavior.
Neuroscience
In 2006, the brains of a group of individuals were scanned while they were speaking in tongues. Activity in the language centers of the brain decreased, while activity in the emotional centers of the brain increased. Activity in the area of control decreased, which corresponds with the reported experience of loss of control. There were no changes in any language areas, suggesting that glossolalia is not associated with usual language function. Other brain wave studies have also found that brain activity alters in glossolalia.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ I was reading up on "speaking in tongues"
the medical term is called Glossolalia
read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossolalia
it's pretty interesting
MG Man wrote:science???
YOU BRING SCIENCE HERE????
what manner of nonsense is this?
Other religious groups been observed to practice some form of theopneustic glossolalia. It is perhaps most commonly in Paganism, Shamanism, and other mediumistic religious practices. In Japan, the God Light Association used to practice glossolalia to cause adherents to recall past lives.
Glossolalia has also been observed in the Voodoo religion of Haiti, as well as in the Hindu Gurus and Fakirs of India.
MG Man wrote:no no no no NO
is teh work of eh DEBBIL
meccalli wrote: He's also the only christian in my family that speaks in tongues during intense prayer.
d spike wrote:MG Man wrote:no no no no NO
is teh work of eh DEBBILmeccalli wrote: He's also the only christian in my family that speaks in tongues during intense prayer.
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