ISIS in T&T?

[Mark!]

I eh know about ISIS in trinidad. Buh i know about Itis

[PariaMan]

And More

Allah says he will “cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve” (3:151). He tells his prophet: “[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”



Among “those who have disbelieved” are the Christians, who have made themselves into disbelievers by worshipping Christ as God: “They have certainly disbelieved who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary’” (5:17; 5:72). In worshipping Christ, they have associated a partner with Allah, thereby becoming polytheists, and “the polytheists are unclean” (9:28). Both Jews and Christians have ascribed a son to Allah, for which Allah should destroy them: “The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the son of Allah’; and the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the son of Allah.’ That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?” (9:30).

[HSA]

PariaMan...i hear u in lockdown these days.....any luck with the other family members who went missing?

[Habit7]

Expect no refutation of your argument.

Expect silence, name calling or deflection to another group.

[HSA]

Expect no refutation of your argument.

Expect silence, name calling or deflection to another group.

Some food for thought.....

(1) Then went Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her. – Bible : Judges (16) : 1.

(2) And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. – Bible : Genesis (19) : 33 – 36.

(3) And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father’s concubine: and Israel heard it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve. – Bible : Genesis (35) : 22.

(4) And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her. – Bible: Genesis (38) : 2.

(5) And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother’s wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. – Bible : Genesis (38) : 8 – 9.

(6) When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face. And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me? And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it? And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him. – Bible : Genesis (38) : 15 – 18.

(7) And when she had brought them unto him to eat, he took hold of her, and said unto her, Come lie with me, my sister. And she answered him, Nay, my brother, do not force me; for no such thing ought to be done in Israel: do not thou this folly. And I, whither shall I cause my shame to go? and as for thee, thou shalt be as one of the fools in Israel. Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee. Howbeit he would not hearken unto her voice: but, being stronger than she, forced her, and lay with her. – Bible : 2 Samuel (13) : 11 – 14.

(8) So they spread Absalom a tent upon the top of the house; and Absalom went in unto his father’s concubines in the sight of all Israel. – Bible : 2 Samuel (16) : 22.

(9) Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied. – Bible : Ezekiel (16) : 28.

(10) And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity. – Bible : Ezekiel (23) : 3.

(11) And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours, Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses. Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself. Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her. – Bible : Ezekiel (23) : 5 – 8.

(12) And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms. She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men. Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way, And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion, Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity: And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea. And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them. So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister. Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth. – Bible : Ezekiel (23) : 11 – 21.

(13) My people ask counsel at their stocks, and their staff declareth unto them: for the spirit of whoredoms hath caused them to err, and they have gone a whoring from under their God. – Bible: Hosea (4) : 12.

(14) I have seen an horrible thing in the house of Israel: there is the whoredom of Ephraim, Israel is defiled. – Bible : Hosea (6) : 10.

(15) Rejoice not, O Israel, for joy, as other people: for thou hast gone a whoring from thy God, thou hast loved a reward upon every cornfloor. – Bible : Hosea (9) : 1.

(16) And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. – Bible : Genesis (9) : 21.

(17) And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets? – Bible : 1 Samuel (19) : 24.

(18) Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself! – Bible : 2 Samuel (6) : 20.

(19) So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt. – Bible : Isaiah (20) : 4.

(20) And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding, Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house, In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night: And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart. (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house: Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.) So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him, I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows. Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee. I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt. I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon. Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves. For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey: He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed. With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him. He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks; – Bible : Proverbs (7) : 7 – 22.

(21) Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. – Bible : Isaiah (13) : 16.

(22) And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. – Bible : Deuteronomy (22) : 17.

(23) While the king sitteth at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof. A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts. – Bible : Song of Solomon (1) : 12 – 13.

(24) Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies. – Bible : Song of Solomon (4) : 5.

(25) I am a wall, and my breasts like towers: then was I in his eyes as one that found favour. – Bible : Song of Solomon (8) : 10.

(26) But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. – Bible : Numbers (31) : 18.

(27) This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes. I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples; – Bible : Song of Solomon (7) : 7 – 8.

(28) And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house. – Bible : 2 Samuel (11) : 4.

(29) Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins. – Bible : Song of Solomon (7) : 3.

[zoom rader]

I don't recall it was blacks that killed and enslaved the inhabitants of south American since 1500s in the name of Christianity

No, Europeans did it in the name of conquest for their nation, Christianity didn't instruct them to.

But I do recall Ameridians killing and enslaving each other long before Europeans arrived.

History only repeating it's self in the middle ages christian Europe was that if you say anything bad about Christianity or practise another religion you was put to death.

Christians like Martin Luther, Savonarola, Jan Hus, Anabaptists, etc were persecuted and killed by the religious political system of Rome.

Christianity doesn't call for anyone to kill in the name of Christianity. People acting wrongly in the name of Christianity is no more than me murdering someone in the name of zoomrader.

Ameridians killing each other is a way of tribal life as experience all over the world.
The early Christians just as present day hard core muslims are all wrong.

[Habit7]

Thank you for proving my point.

[meccalli]

HSA, you're a muslim? LOL

[zoom rader]

Thank you for proving my point.

No point really to prove, juss that all religions are wrong.
Religion is just another social club.

[Habit7]

That wasnt directed to you ZR. It was to HSA

I deal up with specifics and direct citations. You deal up in general subjective comments. That's why you you contradict yourself by accusing and condemning Christians of murder and slavery, yet you are passive of Ameridian and tribal murder and slavery.

[zoom rader]

That wasnt directed to you ZR. It was to HSA

I deal up with specifics and direct citations. You deal up in general subjective comments. That's why you you contradict yourself by accusing and condemning Christians of murder and slavery, yet you are passive of Ameridian and tribal murder and slavery.

No way I am passive about tribal killings and murder. Neither I am contradicting my self. Tribes are a form of religion or social club same as Christians and Muslims.
Christians committed more murder in the name of the church that any other religions. The early conquest did it under the churches at that time and it's all the same with the muslims of today.

Your specifics is to defend and on put a different spin on Christians while blasting muslims.
They are all the same both Christians and Muslims. One did it long ago and the other now doing the same.

[PariaMan]

Christians did it when they misinterpreted Christs teaching . He proclaimed one new commandment which superseded all before

"Little children, I am with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, now I also say to you, 'Where I am going, you cannot come.' 34"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

The muslin kill and maim when following a correct interpretation of the Koran!

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
(22:19)
Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)

[Habit7]

Christians committed more murder in the name of the church that any other religions.

Please ZR back up that claim with some other authority other than yourself.

When you made the previous erroneous claim that most wars are religious I was able to reference the Encyclopaedia of War which stated only 7% are religious (4% Islam, 3% other).

Please, allow for someone else to repeat your claim and when challenged they can't say "well...a guy for tuner say so."

[zoom rader]

This is one main reason why trini needs to remove all religions from goverment.
Religions and state must never be one.
Religions have a habit of controlling government institutions like state run school. Things like prays in public schools must never be. You want prays then send your kids to a religious school.

[src1983]

This might be a really terrible question

But why do Middle East people hate Jews so much?

[The Paleontologist]

Expect no refutation of your argument.

Expect silence, name calling or deflection to another group.

I answered all the questions you guys tossed at me

[Habit7]

Great

This might be a really terrible question

But why do Middle East people hate Jews so much?

Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures. Qur'an 98:6

[bluesclues]

^^^^ Christians are paying for their deeds for the millions of people that they have killed in the pass. They wiped out and enslaved the new world.
Don't forget it's Christians that start and cause the most wars and blood shed.

you might want to check out the history of the african slave trade. you may discover that it was blacks who sold ppl from other tribes and even their own tribe to the europeans as a form of trade and business. most of african slave trade was actually carried out by arabs aka muslims.

I don't recall it was blacks that killed and enslaved the inhabitants of south American since 1500s in the name of Christianity

well i was focussing on africa since that's where the caribbean imports came from. and of course, much previous to the 1500s.

[The Paleontologist]

{Verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians -all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.} (Al-Baqarah 2:62)

[zoom rader]

Christians committed more murder in the name of the church that any other religions.

Please ZR back up that claim with some other authority other than yourself.

When you made the previous erroneous claim that most wars are religious I was able to reference the Encyclopaedia of War which stated only 7% are religious (4% Islam, 3% other).

Please, allow for someone else to repeat your claim and when challenged they can't say "well...a guy for tuner say so."

1. The Crusaders
2. European reformation and counter reformation era. 2/3 of Europe killed
3. African slave trade. 10 million lives lost
4. Colonial conquest. 20 million killed
5. Rwanda. 900000 killed by Christians
6. Bosnia. 300000 killed, 100000 raped by Christians.
7. World war 1 & 2, 6 million Jews killed and 20 million killed by Christians.

All these killings in the name of Christianity.


I guess you want more or you going to play spin doctor.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Christians committed more murder in the name of the church that any other religions.

Please ZR back up that claim with some other authority other than yourself.

When you made the previous erroneous claim that most wars are religious I was able to reference the Encyclopaedia of War which stated only 7% are religious (4% Islam, 3% other).

Please, allow for someone else to repeat your claim and when challenged they can't say "well...a guy for tuner say so."

1. The Crusaders
2. European reformation and counter reformation era. 2/3 of Europe killed
3. African slave trade. 10 million lives lost
4. Colonial conquest. 20 million killed
5. Rwanda. 900000 killed by Christians
6. Bosnia. 300000 killed, 100000 raped by Christians.
7. World war 1 & 2, 6 million Jews killed and 20 million killed by Christians.

All these killings in the name of Christianity.


I guess you want more or you going to play spin doctor.

African slave trade was done in the name of Christianity?

[DrunkenMaster16]

Christians committed more murder in the name of the church that any other religions.

Please ZR back up that claim with some other authority other than yourself.

When you made the previous erroneous claim that most wars are religious I was able to reference the Encyclopaedia of War which stated only 7% are religious (4% Islam, 3% other).

Please, allow for someone else to repeat your claim and when challenged they can't say "well...a guy for tuner say so."

1. The Crusaders
2. European reformation and counter reformation era. 2/3 of Europe killed
3. African slave trade. 10 million lives lost
4. Colonial conquest. 20 million killed
5. Rwanda. 900000 killed by Christians
6. Bosnia. 300000 killed, 100000 raped by Christians.
7. World war 1 & 2, 6 million Jews killed and 20 million killed by Christians.

All these killings in the name of Christianity.


I guess you want more or you going to play spin doctor.

African slave trade was done in the name of Christianity?

Holocaust was done in the name of Christianity???
Hitler was a man on his own self hate rid mission to exterminate the jews. He was christian, he did try to justify the killings using the archaic book that some people still believe to this day. But you cannot say that Christianity or Christians can be blamed for one lunatic with circumcision issues.

ZR crawl back under yuh yellow rock.

[zoom rader]

Christians committed more murder in the name of the church that any other religions.

Please ZR back up that claim with some other authority other than yourself.

When you made the previous erroneous claim that most wars are religious I was able to reference the Encyclopaedia of War which stated only 7% are religious (4% Islam, 3% other).

Please, allow for someone else to repeat your claim and when challenged they can't say "well...a guy for tuner say so."

1. The Crusaders
2. European reformation and counter reformation era. 2/3 of Europe killed
3. African slave trade. 10 million lives lost
4. Colonial conquest. 20 million killed
5. Rwanda. 900000 killed by Christians
6. Bosnia. 300000 killed, 100000 raped by Christians.
7. World war 1 & 2, 6 million Jews killed and 20 million killed by Christians.

All these killings in the name of Christianity.


I guess you want more or you going to play spin doctor.

African slave trade was done in the name of Christianity?

Men that brought the slaves to the new world were of good christian background.

CHRISTIANITY AND SLAVERY

The largest slave trade in the history of the world was created by Christian European nations. This is a fact.

It is also a fact that the Bible has many verses defending slavery.

In America before the Civil War, the majority of evangelical Christians were totally convinced that "their personal relationship with Jesus Christ" authorized them to own slaves.

Some evangelical factions in recent times did oppose the slave trade. In England they helped abolish it in the early 19th century. The radical abolitionist John Brown defended his raid at Harper's Ferry, Virginia in 1859 as an act against slavery born out of his Christian conviction.

However, throughout most of Christian history slavery has been a reality that has received the official sanction of the church. Leading figures in the Catholic Church, from St. Augustine, to numerous popes, to consider the enslavement of human beings to be a perfectly acceptable practice sanctioned by God. After the Reformation, this was a tradition that carried over into many Protestant sects as well.

The set of quotes below makes clear the depth of pro-slavery sentiment within the history of Christianity. They are not intended to be an exhaustive list. Rather, they are but a fraction of justifications based on Scripture that were used to uphold the existence of slavery

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaste ... lavery.htm

[zoom rader]

Christians committed more murder in the name of the church that any other religions.

Please ZR back up that claim with some other authority other than yourself.

When you made the previous erroneous claim that most wars are religious I was able to reference the Encyclopaedia of War which stated only 7% are religious (4% Islam, 3% other).

Please, allow for someone else to repeat your claim and when challenged they can't say "well...a guy for tuner say so."

1. The Crusaders
2. European reformation and counter reformation era. 2/3 of Europe killed
3. African slave trade. 10 million lives lost
4. Colonial conquest. 20 million killed
5. Rwanda. 900000 killed by Christians
6. Bosnia. 300000 killed, 100000 raped by Christians.
7. World war 1 & 2, 6 million Jews killed and 20 million killed by Christians.

All these killings in the name of Christianity.


I guess you want more or you going to play spin doctor.

African slave trade was done in the name of Christianity?

Holocaust was done in the name of Christianity???
Hitler was a man on his own self hate rid mission to exterminate the jews. He was christian, he did try to justify the killings using the archaic book that some people still believe to this day. But you cannot say that Christianity or Christians can be blamed for one lunatic with circumcision issues.

ZR crawl back under yuh yellow rock.

Men that did the killings were of good christian background.

Hitler Was a Christian

The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:



History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.

Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is important information to take into consideration for I am privy to some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.



Hitler’s involvement with the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

Hitler and the Popeg) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism



How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.

Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity.



How the Nazi Regime converted the people:

a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”

b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.

d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.

e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.

Nazi Belt Bucklef) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.

g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.

h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.



Quotes from Hitler:

Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:

“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)

"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)

“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:

"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)

http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

[Rainman]

"A picture is worth a thousand words" - The Prophet Mohammed

[meccalli]

"A picture is worth a thousand words"

lol @ that list btw. Its funny were linking hitler and the rc church and the associated atrocities. You'll find Islam has more in common with roman catholicism than anything else.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Men that did the killings were of good christian background.

I've spent many a post arguing with Habit7 and his crazy Bible claims, but this is just an illogical argument you are putting forward here.

are you saying that if a crazy white american man shoots up a cinema, he committed the crime in the name of Christianity just because he happened to be Christian?

There is a HUGE difference between someone carrying out an act and just happens to be of a particular religion and someone carrying out an act claiming it is in the name of that religion. You cannot possibly implicate the religion in the former instance!

[zoom rader]

Men that did the killings were of good christian background.

I've spent many a post arguing with Habit7 and his crazy Bible claims, but this is just an illogical argument you are putting forward here.

are you saying that if a crazy white american man shoots up a cinema, he committed the crime in the name of Christianity just because he happened to be Christian?

There is a HUGE difference between someone carrying out an act and just happens to be of a particular religion and someone carrying out an act claiming it is in the name of that religion. You cannot possibly implicate the religion in the former instance!

It's not what I am saying. Its how these ppl think.
These modern day hard core muslims are brainwashed into the acts we are seeing today.
It is the same with the Christians in the past, they were all brainwashed in thinking what they doing is gods will and its all for the good.
Some clown finds a verse in bible or Koran puts a spin on it and the masses believe every word of it.

[zoom rader]

"A picture is worth a thousand words"

lol @ that list btw. Its funny were linking hitler and the rc church and the associated atrocities. You'll find Islam has more in common with roman catholicism than anything else.

You forgot Hitler also had 3000 Hindus fighting for him as well.
There was also a section of black africans troops .

[meccalli]

So where's the Jewish God believing aka Christian Schutzstaffel at, he forgot to pick up those guys or what? ain't he a dedicated Roman Catholic that believes in the same God of the Bible just as any Jew or Christian? The proof's in the pudding, anyone who can say Christians were behind the crusades and hitler etc. are obviously blind. All comes down to source material and roots. Al- Husseini is your great grandfather to the scourge known as isis this thread is based on. No surprise there considering the light hearted company..