The Religion Discussion

[bluefete]

^^^^nice way to hide half the scripture your misquoting LMAO

21 He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.

22 The lotus trees cover him with their shade;
The willows by the brook surround him.

23 Indeed the river may rage,
Yet he is not disturbed;
He is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth,
sound like a hippo to me actually most of your own scholars seem to agree on that fact.

I gave the basics. Nothing to hide there.

It ain't no hippo, Bigga!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is a hippo's tail like a cedar? You must pay attention to God's descriptions.

Go and come again.

[Humes]

bluefete, did you intentionally leave out part of the description of the behemoth?

21He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

22The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.

A dinosaur that the willows of a brook can cover? It's a hippopotamus or an elephant, bluefete. The largest animals people would have been exposed to in those regions.

Now that was a description of the sea-based dinosaur.

What dinosaur breathed fire, bluefete?



You're wrong again.

[Humes]

A black hole is supposed to be one of utter darkness because nothing, not even light, escapes from it.

But none of those verses mention utter darkness. Three of them mention outer darkness.

So...what's your point?

Humes: Outer darkness - A place of utter darkness. dark is dark, is it not?

No, bluefete. Dark is not dark, as you yourself are pointing out.

Utter darkness means the absence of any light whatsoever. The sort of darkness you're (or whichever psuedo-scientific Christian site you're quoting from) suggesting exists only within a black hole.
Outer darkness simply means darkness outside of somewhere. That could be the dark night outside a building, or the dark region outside a city.

You really don't know the difference between utter and outer?

Btw...the naval academy Noah's Ark thing, bluefete. Are you ignoring my request for attribution?

[bigga514]

^^^^nice way to hide half the scripture your misquoting LMAO

21 He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.

22 The lotus trees cover him with their shade;
The willows by the brook surround him.

23 Indeed the river may rage,
Yet he is not disturbed;
He is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth,
sound like a hippo to me actually most of your own scholars seem to agree on that fact.

I gave the basics. Nothing to hide there.

It ain't no hippo, Bigga!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is a hippo's tail like a cedar? You must pay attention to God's descriptions.

Go and come again.

stop yelling son...
it moveth like a cedar not is like a cedar STOP MISQUOTING

[bluefete]

No one on this thread has been able to provide a rational substitute for the existence of human beings beyond creation. Unless you can, God exists.

The Bible is a historical book, recorded by eyewitnesses.

The Bible is a history book because the people mentioned were real and we have the archaeological evidence to prove it.

The almost complete absence of antimatter in the universe attests to its supernatural origin.

All of these statements are incorrect. Your entire argument in that post is based on a profound lack of understanding of almost everything you cut and pasted.


- The Bible contains some historical fact, but these facts only frame the primarily unhistorical information within it.

- The authors of the Bible were not all eyewitnesses to the events they recorded. That's basic common sense. Was the person who wrote Genesis, for example, around before God supposedly created anything at all? Before even the heavens?
Did the person who recorded the supposedly centuries-long lifetimes of the Old Testament figures outlive them all?
Did the person who wrote Exodus travel up Mt Sinai with Moses, and witness God in person?

Common sense, bluefete.

- There is no archaeological proof regarding the identities of most authors of the Bible because the vast majority of them are unknown. Most of those who have been reliably identified wrote in the centuries following Christ's death.

Do you even know what archaeological proof is?


- The lack of scientific knowledge about the origin of everything in Existence does not validate any religious text's "account" of creation. It simply means we don't know.


- The absence of antimatter attests to nothing except the fact that we either haven't found it, or we haven't solved the puzzle of its absence. The supernatural doesn't automatically explain what science does not.

Yeah right - regarding the absence of antimatter.
"We haven't solved the puzzle of its absence."
Indeed - You have not because the rational is based on a flawed assumption to start with.

You are also twisting the logic of archaeological proof and being disingenuous with the truth.

It is not about the writers of the Bible but verification of what is contained in the Bible that archaeologists try to prove.

So what are you saying? That David, Solomon, Moses, Abraham, Sampson, Jesus, Paul, Peter, Mary, Esther and so on were a fairy tale cast of characters? Or were they true life people? Is there archaeological proof that these people ever existed?

I will let you answer that question on your own.

[Humes]

" ... he hangeth the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7)

But bluefete, the Earth is not hanging upon nothing. There are vastly powerful gravitational forces at play.

Where does the Book of Job mention gravity? He says nothing. Not gravity.

[bigga514]

... and funny.

"make it fit! make it fit!"

blue boy so we had super astronauts in those times huh by your own admittance AGAIN if light cant escape a blackhole who could get close to one
to toss a body(not to mention the earth would have perished) besides was it no a parable being told that you quoted?

your trying too hard flip floping too much. im not going to continue to pay you much more attention.

Okay. But we did not have super astronauts.

" ... he hangeth the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7)

When Job wrote those words thousands of years ago, do you think he really understood the scientific implications of that sentence?

Again, the first PROOF that the earth was suspended in space was not provided until a picture was taken in the 1960's.

Is this not what you rationalists want? PROOF. But when God gives it to you, you conveniently forget that the Bible mentioned it first and give all praise to the scientists.

Who discovered the Laws of Gravity? Issac Newton in the 1600's. But the Book of Job mentioned gravity thousands of years before Newton's birth.

You go figure.

so where in the bible did it talk about blackholes???

[bluefete]

^^^^nice way to hide half the scripture your misquoting LMAO

21 He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.

22 The lotus trees cover him with their shade;
The willows by the brook surround him.

23 Indeed the river may rage,
Yet he is not disturbed;
He is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth,
sound like a hippo to me actually most of your own scholars seem to agree on that fact.

I gave the basics. Nothing to hide there.

It ain't no hippo, Bigga!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is a hippo's tail like a cedar? You must pay attention to God's descriptions.

Go and come again.

stop yelling son...
it moveth like a cedar not is like a cedar STOP MISQUOTING

Who is yelling Bigga?

Read slowly and carefully -

"He moveth his tail like a cedar". (Job 40:17).

What does a cedar tree look like.



What does a hippo's tail look like?




Any questions?????

Please go and try again.

[Humes]

It is not about the writers of the Bible but verification of what is contained in the Bible that archaeologists try to prove.

So what are you saying? That David, Solomon, Moses, Abraham, Sampson, Jesus, Paul, Peter, Mary, Esther and so on were a fairy tale cast of characters? Or were they true life people? Is there archaeological proof that these people ever existed?

I will let you answer that question on your own.

But bluefete, you said there is archaeological proof of their existence. So if it's there, educate us all. Don't let me answer the question on my own.

I still trying hard to answer the question of the naval academy experiment.

You are also twisting the logic of archaeological proof and being disingenuous with the truth.

Do you even understand what you've typed here? How have I twisted anything? You claimed there was archaeological evidence, and I pointed out that there is none for the vast majority of the authors.

Can you prove otherwise?

[bluefete]

" ... he hangeth the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7)

But bluefete, the Earth is not hanging upon nothing. There are vastly powerful gravitational forces at play.

Where does the Book of Job mention gravity? He says nothing. Not gravity.

Humes, my friend: You are grasping at straws now.



Any questions?

[dry]

Who is yelling Bigga?

Read slowly and carefully -

"He moveth his tail like a cedar". (Job 40:17).

What does a cedar tree look like.



What does a hippo's tail look like?




Any questions?????

Please go and try again.

from http://www.habeeb.com/cedar.of.lebanon. ... bible.html


the hippo tail is outer cedar and the lebanese cedar is utter cedar.

[bluefete]

It is not about the writers of the Bible but verification of what is contained in the Bible that archaeologists try to prove.

So what are you saying? That David, Solomon, Moses, Abraham, Sampson, Jesus, Paul, Peter, Mary, Esther and so on were a fairy tale cast of characters? Or were they true life people? Is there archaeological proof that these people ever existed?

I will let you answer that question on your own.

But bluefete, you said there is archaeological proof of their existence. So if it's there, educate us all. Don't let me answer the question on my own.

I still trying hard to answer the question of the naval academy experiment.

You are also twisting the logic of archaeological proof and being disingenuous with the truth.

Do you even understand what you've typed here? How have I twisted anything? You claimed there was archaeological evidence, and I pointed out that there is none for the vast majority of the authors.

Can you prove otherwise?

Again my friend, you are trying to disprove the various authors of the Bible rather than trying to prove what they wrote about. You cannot run from history.

It either was or was not.

[Humes]

"He moveth his tail like a cedar". (Job 40:17).

What does a cedar tree look like.

What does a cedar tree move like, bluefete?

[bigga514]

" He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

He lieth under the shady trees ... Behold he drinketh up a river..." (Job 40:15-23)

it didnt say it looks like it said moves like.

let me put it in context for you " cedar tree sways in the wind (side to side) so does the tail of a hippo move from side to side"

[Humes]

Humes, my friend: You are grasping at straws now.

Any questions?

Yeah: How does telling me I'm grasping at straws invalidate the fact that gravity keeps the Earth where it is?

And: How does saying the Earth is suspended on nothing mean the same as the Earth is suspended by gravity?

Because the ironic thing is, you mentioned gravity before I did.

The only person who doesn't mention gravity is Job, apparently.

[bigga514]

" ... he hangeth the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7)

But bluefete, the Earth is not hanging upon nothing. There are vastly powerful gravitational forces at play.

Where does the Book of Job mention gravity? He says nothing. Not gravity.

Humes, my friend: You are grasping at straws now.



Any questions?

you do know the earth is held in place by the gravitational pull of the sun right, jus like how the moon is to the earth ?? did you skip school altogether and jus went bible class?

[bluefete]

Who is yelling Bigga?

Read slowly and carefully -

"He moveth his tail like a cedar". (Job 40:17).

What does a cedar tree look like.



What does a hippo's tail look like?




Any questions?????

Please go and try again.

from http://www.habeeb.com/cedar.of.lebanon. ... bible.html


the hippo tail is outer cedar and the lebanese cedar is utter cedar.

Even your reference talks about 'The Mighty Cedars of Lebanon"

Thank you.

[bluefete]

[quote="bluefete"]" ... he hangeth the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7)

But bluefete, the Earth is not hanging upon nothing. There are vastly powerful gravitational forces at play.

Where does the Book of Job mention gravity? He says nothing. Not gravity.

Humes, my friend: You are grasping at straws now.



Any questions?

you do know the earth is held in place by the gravitational pull of the sun right, jus like how the moon is to the earth ?? did you skip school altogether and jus went bible class?[/quote]

And when exactly did we "brightsparks" discover this?

[dry]

Even your reference talks about 'The Mighty Cedars of Lebanon"

Thank you.

and how is that significant to anything?

[Humes]

Again my friend, you are trying to disprove the various authors of the Bible rather than trying to prove what they wrote about. You cannot run from history.

It either was or was not.

bluefete, nothing you wrote there makes any sense. Respond directly to the questions I've asked and stop spinning in rhetorical circles.

You said there's archaeological proof about the authors of the Bible.

Provide us with this proof, or information about it.

[Humes]

And when exactly did we "brightsparks" discover this?

When exactly did the Bible mention it?

[bluefete]

"He moveth his tail like a cedar". (Job 40:17).

What does a cedar tree look like.

What does a cedar tree move like, bluefete?

A hippo's tail? Really?

[Humes]

"He moveth his tail like a cedar". (Job 40:17).

What does a cedar tree look like.

What does a cedar tree move like, bluefete?

A hippo's tail? Really?

I doh know...ask the person who wrote this:

"He moveth his tail like a cedar". (Job 40:17).


Moving like something doesn't mean looking like something.

[Humes]

By the way, bluefete: The naval academy info. The guys who built Noah's Ark.

Were you lying or mistaken?

You're being very dishonest by not admitting either one. Is that what Jesus would have done?

[bluefete]

No one on this thread has been able to provide a rational substitute for the existence of human beings beyond creation. Unless you can, God exists.

The Bible is a historical book, recorded by eyewitnesses.

The Bible is a history book because the people mentioned were real and we have the archaeological evidence to prove it.

The almost complete absence of antimatter in the universe attests to its supernatural origin.

All of these statements are incorrect. Your entire argument in that post is based on a profound lack of understanding of almost everything you cut and pasted.


- The Bible contains some historical fact, but these facts only frame the primarily unhistorical information within it.

- The authors of the Bible were not all eyewitnesses to the events they recorded. That's basic common sense. Was the person who wrote Genesis, for example, around before God supposedly created anything at all? Before even the heavens?
Did the person who recorded the supposedly centuries-long lifetimes of the Old Testament figures outlive them all?
Did the person who wrote Exodus travel up Mt Sinai with Moses, and witness God in person?

Common sense, bluefete.

- There is no archaeological proof regarding the identities of most authors of the Bible because the vast majority of them are unknown. Most of those who have been reliably identified wrote in the centuries following Christ's death.

Do you even know what archaeological proof is?


- The lack of scientific knowledge about the origin of everything in Existence does not validate any religious text's "account" of creation. It simply means we don't know.


- The absence of antimatter attests to nothing except the fact that we either haven't found it, or we haven't solved the puzzle of its absence. The supernatural doesn't automatically explain what science does not.

Yeah right - regarding the absence of antimatter.
"We haven't solved the puzzle of its absence."
Indeed - You have not because the rational is based on a flawed assumption to start with.

You are also twisting the logic of archaeological proof and being disingenuous with the truth.

It is not about the writers of the Bible but verification of what is contained in the Bible that archaeologists try to prove.

So what are you saying? That David, Solomon, Moses, Abraham, Sampson, Jesus, Paul, Peter, Mary, Esther and so on were a fairy tale cast of characters? Or were they true life people? Is there archaeological proof that these people ever existed?

I will let you answer that question on your own.

Humes: Be careful with trying to twist my words. YOU said that there was no archaeological proof about the author of the Bible. Not me.

I think in your rush to discredit the Bible you may be getting a bit tired because God is slowly starting to disprove your rational arguments.

[bigga514]

serious question bluefete how old are you? jus want to know

[bluefete]

By the way, bluefete: The naval academy info. The guys who built Noah's Ark.

Were you lying or mistaken?

You're being very dishonest by not admitting either one. Is that what Jesus would have done?

Just as I told you about the study on the lady with MPD which was eventually proven to be true. So this experiment. I am checking and will get back to you. This is also a recollection of mine.

[bluefete]

serious question bluefete how old are you? jus want to know

What does age have to do with the ability to carry out an important discussion like this?

[bluefete]

"He moveth his tail like a cedar". (Job 40:17).

What does a cedar tree look like.

What does a cedar tree move like, bluefete?

A hippo's tail? Really?

I doh know...ask the person who wrote this:

"He moveth his tail like a cedar". (Job 40:17).


Moving like something doesn't mean looking like something.

Good point - For a change.

[Humes]

Humes: Be careful with trying to twist my words. YOU said that there was no archaeological proof about the author of the Bible. Not me.

I think in your rush to discredit the Bible you may be getting a bit tired because God is slowly starting to disprove you rational arguments.

Three things:

- I misread your post as stating we have archaeological proof about the people mentioned in the Bible. My bad, I admit my mistake.

- Either way, we don't have archaeological proof about the vast, vast majority of the people mentioned in the Bible. I'll ask again, do you even know what archaeological evidence is?

- Point out which of my arguments God has disproved since thread began.

More importantly, how do you know what God's doing right now? He tell yuh something, or yuh just projecting yuh wishes?