Petrotrin refinery shut down

[Joshie23]

Nah bai, dem men salary too high.
Lewe let pnm do what they want to they will be on our level. We go point finger and laugh

Well Nerve, if operators and the like that drive Skylines and frequently patronize humble, regular bars such that men on 2NR can see them on a daily basis making too much money, what will we say about the Superintendents that report to Senior Superintendents that report to Managers that report to Senior Managers that report to the Chairman et al?? I saw somewhere, someone asking for disclosure on salaries..why hasn't anyone (OWTU included) called for the disclosure of the salaries of Espinet et al. yet?? I asked somewhere..you think these men are volunteering their time and efforts? Accomplished men like Robert Riley and Espinet himself, rendering their expertise for 'please and thanks' and/or as a service to the people of Trinidad and Tobago?

[rebound]

Petro men does leave the toys home....its not right to bring it in that environment...the same thing used to happen in Ispat...they all had work cars..

[gastly369]

Nah bai, dem men salary too high.
Lewe let pnm do what they want to they will be on our level. We go point finger and laugh

Well Nerve, if operators and the like that drive Skylines and frequently patronize humble, regular bars such that men on 2NR can see them on a daily basis making too much money, what will we say about the Superintendents that report to Senior Superintendents that report to Managers that report to Senior Managers that report to the Chairman et al?? I saw somewhere, someone asking for disclosure on salaries..why hasn't anyone (OWTU included) called for the disclosure of the salaries of Espinet et al. yet?? I asked somewhere..you think these men are volunteering their time and efforts? Accomplished men like Robert Riley and Espinet himself, rendering their expertise for 'please and thanks' and/or as a service to the people of Trinidad and Tobago?

"I does drive my own car and I does make my own coffee" ...quoted from?

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Nah bai, dem men salary too high.
Lewe let pnm do what they want to they will be on our level. We go point finger and laugh

Well Nerve, if operators and the like that drive Skylines and frequently patronize humble, regular bars such that men on 2NR can see them on a daily basis making too much money, what will we say about the Superintendents that report to Senior Superintendents that report to Managers that report to Senior Managers that report to the Chairman et al?? I saw somewhere, someone asking for disclosure on salaries..why hasn't anyone (OWTU included) called for the disclosure of the salaries of Espinet et al. yet?? I asked somewhere..you think these men are volunteering their time and efforts? Accomplished men like Robert Riley and Espinet himself, rendering their expertise for 'please and thanks' and/or as a service to the people of Trinidad and Tobago?

Espinet and Riley basically said they doing this as a favor in company meetings. So yeah they doing it for “the challenge” and not for monetary gain. Lol. Is how Riley saying he Skyping from London. Pappyshow thing.

[nervewrecker]

Petro men does leave the toys home....its not right to bring it in that environment...the same thing used to happen in Ispat...they all had work cars..

You know this for a fact?

Cuz I do.

A friend sent an application some time ago. When he hear the salary he tell them keep the job. Just about 2 week back he telling me he looking to buy a skyline.

Petro money big? What a joke

[nervewrecker]

Nah bai, dem men salary too high.
Lewe let pnm do what they want to they will be on our level. We go point finger and laugh

Well Nerve, if operators and the like that drive Skylines and frequently patronize humble, regular bars such that men on 2NR can see them on a daily basis making too much money, what will we say about the Superintendents that report to Senior Superintendents that report to Managers that report to Senior Managers that report to the Chairman et al?? I saw somewhere, someone asking for disclosure on salaries..why hasn't anyone (OWTU included) called for the disclosure of the salaries of Espinet et al. yet?? I asked somewhere..you think these men are volunteering their time and efforts? Accomplished men like Robert Riley and Espinet himself, rendering their expertise for 'please and thanks' and/or as a service to the people of Trinidad and Tobago?

Like I said, it have a select few that invested wisely.
Some are powersellers right here.
One (not a tuner) has his product on real shelves. I think he retire though

[rebound]

Petro men does leave the toys home....its not right to bring it in that environment...the same thing used to happen in Ispat...they all had work cars..

You know this for a fact?

Cuz I do.

A friend sent an application some time ago. When he hear the salary he tell them keep the job. Just about 2 week back he telling me he looking to buy a skyline.

Petro money big? What a joke

I know about Ispat for a fact, they would never come to work with the "good" cars because of the dust...and certain parts of petro can have harsh environments for cars..

[neilsingh100]

It is lower level employees in Petrotrin that are better paid relative to those in the private sector not the professionals and managers.

https://energynow.tt/blog/how-do-petrotrins-wage-rates-compare-to-the-rest-of-the-energy-sector

[eurotuner]

Petro men does leave the toys home....its not right to bring it in that environment...the same thing used to happen in Ispat...they all had work cars..

Can verify this as my dad worked ispat.

[The_Honourable]

Dr Moonilal said the PM and the Gov't did nothing in three years.

[ProtonPowder]

Nah bai, dem men salary too high.
Lewe let pnm do what they want to they will be on our level. We go point finger and laugh

Well Nerve, if operators and the like that drive Skylines and frequently patronize humble, regular bars such that men on 2NR can see them on a daily basis making too much money, what will we say about the Superintendents that report to Senior Superintendents that report to Managers that report to Senior Managers that report to the Chairman et al?? I saw somewhere, someone asking for disclosure on salaries..why hasn't anyone (OWTU included) called for the disclosure of the salaries of Espinet et al. yet?? I asked somewhere..you think these men are volunteering their time and efforts? Accomplished men like Robert Riley and Espinet himself, rendering their expertise for 'please and thanks' and/or as a service to the people of Trinidad and Tobago?

On the day that they made the announcement last week, I was talking with the wife of one of the supporting board members (not Espinet), and while I took it with a mountain of salt, she said that he wasnt being compensated for being on the board.

[INHUMAN]

Some things you withhold...a listening ear is also a running mouth...

[kstt]

Trying to figure out how to share the Lashley report here. I have it stored in my My Files > Documents

But when I try to share it online the folder doesn't appear so I can choose it for uploading. I tried moving it to my camera files but I don't see it. It is an Adobe document on an android phone.

[hydroep]

Ladies and Gentlemen, it's time to play: "Cover Your Cacahole" and our first contestant is Willfred Espinet...

Espinet in dark about Petrotrin refinery sale
Rosemarie Sant
Published: Tuesday, September 4, 2018

Petrotrin chairman Wilfred Espinet is holding fast to his position that there is no plan to sell or privatise the refinery at Point-a-Pierre which is being shut down.

Espinet, who is out of the country, referred questions on any plan to sell or privatise the refinery to Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley when contacted by phone yesterday. His claim came hours after the PM told the country the refining assets of Petrotrin could be put into a “separate company for opportunity attention” and the Oilfield Workers’ Trade Union (OWTU) “will be given the first option to own and operate it on the most favourable terms.”

But OWTU president general Ancel Roget has rejected the offer saying the union never wanted to own the refinery. (See pages A5 and A13)

Yesterday, Espinet said he wanted to make it “absolutely clear” that he had “absolutely no knowledge of anybody wanting to buy the refinery,” nor had he “been in any discussion whatsoever with anybody, politician, public servant, union, anybody where I indicated to them that any part of the strategy was about selling the refinery.”

Told further of Rowley’s plan, he insisted he was “never involved in any discussion, recommendation or proposal regarding the sale of Petrotrin’s refinery. Never!”

Espinet said the decision to close the refinery followed eleven months of work done with the assistance of a number of experts. He said by removing the refinery, the company will have the money to pay its debt “because it is eating out the cash and you cannot pay the debt. But if you could stop bleeding of that cash, you can then re-direct the cash to paying the debt.”

Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar has suggested that a way should be found for this country, as a member of Caricom, to help refine the oil found in Guyana.

But Espinet said it is not as simple as Persad-Bissessar made it out to be.

“The first thing is to go and find out how the Guyana oil is coming out of the ground, where it is moving, how they moving it, who owns it, who owns the rights and how do you get it,” he said.

Saying Persad-Bissessar was suggesting T&T can do it as a Caricom partner, Espinet said, “In Caricom we don’t even trade each other’s goods. Where is the reality in all of this?”

Responding to calls from former energy minister Carolyn Seepersad-Bachan for a national conversation on the closure of the refiner, Espinet asked, “What does the conversation do? All of that sounds very good. How does that conversation pay the people their money? How does that happen?”

He said once the investments in exploration and production increase “you will get better returns and better results. We have assets that have been determined in the ground and we need to monetise them. They have not been monetised because we have spent billions on the refinery which have not worked.”

Asked about the threat of a shutdown by the trade unions carded for Friday, Espinet said Petrotrin “always has contingency plans in place.”

http://www4.guardian.co.tt/news/2018-09-03/espinet-dark-about-petrotrin-refinery-sale

[The_Honourable]

Trying to figure out how to share the Lashley report here. I have it stored in my My Files > Documents

But when I try to share it online the folder doesn't appear so I can choose it for uploading. I tried moving it to my camera files but I don't see it. It is an Adobe document on an android phone.

Plug the phone to your laptop and browse from there. How much pages is the file?

Yo Duane, recommend a pdf viewer plugin!

[rawCpoppa]

Lashley Report:

https://jmp.sh/v/ewc6L4Ka8aWhkBRuRq81

[nervewrecker]

Petro men does leave the toys home....its not right to bring it in that environment...the same thing used to happen in Ispat...they all had work cars..

You know this for a fact?

Cuz I do.

A friend sent an application some time ago. When he hear the salary he tell them keep the job. Just about 2 week back he telling me he looking to buy a skyline.

Petro money big? What a joke

I know about Ispat for a fact, they would never come to work with the "good" cars because of the dust...and certain parts of petro can have harsh environments for cars..

That may be the case for a few petro men.

[nervewrecker]

It is lower level employees in Petrotrin that are better paid relative to those in the private sector not the professionals and managers.

https://energynow.tt/blog/how-do-petrotrins-wage-rates-compare-to-the-rest-of-the-energy-sector

Boss, we already said those figures are way off..

[ProtonPowder]

It is lower level employees in Petrotrin that are better paid relative to those in the private sector not the professionals and managers.

https://energynow.tt/blog/how-do-petrotrins-wage-rates-compare-to-the-rest-of-the-energy-sector

Boss, we already said those figures are way off..

What about them, they too high or low?

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

It is lower level employees in Petrotrin that are better paid relative to those in the private sector not the professionals and managers.

https://energynow.tt/blog/how-do-petrotrins-wage-rates-compare-to-the-rest-of-the-energy-sector

Boss, we already said those figures are way off..

What about them, they too high or low?

Can’t speak for all positions but the industry average senior engineer salary in the graph is significantly higher than petrotrin’s and that is even after the last salary increase.

[neilsingh100]

It is lower level employees in Petrotrin that are better paid relative to those in the private sector not the professionals and managers.

https://energynow.tt/blog/how-do-petrotrins-wage-rates-compare-to-the-rest-of-the-energy-sector

Boss, we already said those figures are way off..

What about them, they too high or low?

Can’t speak for all positions but the industry average senior engineer salary in the graph is significantly higher than petrotrin’s and that is even after the last salary increase.

The salary of a senior engineer in a large multinational (BP, ALNG, etc) is around 45k so that seems correct.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

It is lower level employees in Petrotrin that are better paid relative to those in the private sector not the professionals and managers.

https://energynow.tt/blog/how-do-petrotrins-wage-rates-compare-to-the-rest-of-the-energy-sector

Boss, we already said those figures are way off..

What about them, they too high or low?

Can’t speak for all positions but the industry average senior engineer salary in the graph is significantly higher than petrotrin’s and that is even after the last salary increase.

The salary of a senior engineer in a large multinational (BP, ALNG, etc) is around 45k so that seems correct.

I should clarify that the figure quoted for Petrotrin in that field is wrong and also too high even after the most recent increase. Pours cold water on the accuracy of other fields as well.

[Cantmis]

It is lower level employees in Petrotrin that are better paid relative to those in the private sector not the professionals and managers.

https://energynow.tt/blog/how-do-petrotrins-wage-rates-compare-to-the-rest-of-the-energy-sector

Boss, we already said those figures are way off..

What about them, they too high or low?

Can’t speak for all positions but the industry average senior engineer salary in the graph is significantly higher than petrotrin’s and that is even after the last salary increase.

The salary of a senior engineer in a large multinational (BP, ALNG, etc) is around 45k so that seems correct.

Hmm you sure, because I know ops supervisors making that!

[neilsingh100]

It is lower level employees in Petrotrin that are better paid relative to those in the private sector not the professionals and managers.

https://energynow.tt/blog/how-do-petrotrins-wage-rates-compare-to-the-rest-of-the-energy-sector

Boss, we already said those figures are way off..

What about them, they too high or low?

Can’t speak for all positions but the industry average senior engineer salary in the graph is significantly higher than petrotrin’s and that is even after the last salary increase.

The salary of a senior engineer in a large multinational (BP, ALNG, etc) is around 45k so that seems correct.

Hmm you sure, because I know ops supervisors making that!

It depends on how the job position is classified and what salary range the person falls into. You may have a engineer with 10yrs experience getting 45k and another with 25+ years experience as a supervisor getting the same salary.

[hydroep]

Lashley Report:

https://jmp.sh/v/ewc6L4Ka8aWhkBRuRq81

Thanks.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

[Redman]

So... the lasley reports confirm that the salaries are 50% of the operating costs...the union says 10+%

so who is right??

I ask because -the Lashley Report was submitted last year-David Abdullah represented the OWTU on the Lashley Committee, yet it is only in the last month or so the OWTU took issue with that statement.

AND I call bullsheeeit on that 25B cost to bring the plant back to spec

[16 cycles]

someone in the know can tell us the benefits for employees? (free medical for life? schooling for kids etc?)

[kstt]

So... the lasley reports confirm that the salaries are 50% of the operating costs...the union says 10+%

so who is right??

It is 50 % when they group it up with benefits to get a ridiculous figure just like they grouped up all salaries to say all employees get $45,000 but didn't group up the numbers that going home but separated the 3500 permanent employees. Convenient.

[toyolink]

This experience is quite a difficult one to witness.
Compensation packages which appeared to be exorbitant and the apparent 'free-hand' approach to extreme expenditure must not justify a loss of compassion for individual workers.
The fact is, the majority of workers are innocent of the decisions made by management and the owners.
History has shown that what comes next isn't going to be easy and assurances of settlement packages etc. don't see the light of day for quite some time and the bills and loan installments just keep coming.
Today everybody has advice and it all feels hollow, but I will still say (having had a similar experience)
-Take time and quietly do a stock taking of what you have and liquidate/sell what you don't need.
-Examine your bills and commitments and get rid of what you don't need.
-Have a open family talk and confront this as one.
-Look for opportunities to make a dollar if you can weld,do plumbing, do electrical, do mechanics, plant, do accounts put it in the papers and get going. Your fees etc. must be attractive to get traction.
BTW, sitting in groups of people in the same boat and 'propping sorrow' whilst having drinks aint going an help.
What and who I am today (for those who know) has nothing to do with who is was in my previous professional incarnation.
……..This is not a time for weakness!