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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby The_Honourable » April 21st, 2017, 11:47 pm

OPERATORJOE wrote:Guys what about properties with rental apartments for example if you have a main residence together with let's say two apartments to the back.. The rental value on your residence is 5000.00 per mth and the apartment's bring in 1800x2=3600 would they calculate the total tax payable by adding the annual rental value (ARV) of the main residence plus the apartments.. Or just the ARV of the main residence only


This is my theory but at the end of the day, call them to make sure.

Assuming the apartments are joined to the main residence (one building), it will be the ARV value of the main residence plus the apartments. So from your example, (5000+3600= 8600 per month). ARV: 8600 x 12 = $103,200 per year.

Annual Taxable Value (ATV) = ARV - 10% Voids, which is, 103,200 - 10,320 = $92,880

Residential rate of tax is 3%. Therefore 3% of 92,880 = $2,786.40 per year or $232.20 per month.

Assuming the apartments are separate from the main residence, you will be paying the same $2,786.40 property tax per year as above but most likely, the invoice will have the buildings separated on the same owners name and address.
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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

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Hey thanks honourable, much appreciated

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » April 22nd, 2017, 6:52 am

the level of beat up in the streets for this property tax is mind blowing...real lolz we

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby hydroep » April 22nd, 2017, 7:20 am

DVSTT wrote:Do ministers pay property tax?


Good question.

Here's another: Do Party Financiers pay their fair share of Property Tax?

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby urbandilema » April 22nd, 2017, 8:54 am

The_Honourable wrote:well oh goosh...

Read the comments here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... .707875676

Eh lol I know she ...she dad is jankie..he went for elections..I think she in real estate and buying of selling cars..
But again she like all the others falling to realize the property tax is here to stay and at the end of day kamla and Keith ain't care you..is just work work and as we trapped as rats in the wheel of this delicate economic we have at the moment.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby *$kїđž!™ » April 22nd, 2017, 11:29 pm

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A MOTORCADE or a march against the property tax is being planned by the Ummah T&T group.

Members met at the Island Hardware Auditorium at Felicity, Chaguanas yesterday and criticised Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley over Government's planned re-introduction of the property tax.

Chairman of the Muslim group, Imam Rasheed Karim, called on the audience to react to the property tax.

?We have to retaliate. We need to aggravate, we need to agitate.”

Speaking to a gathering at the auditorium, Karim said it almost paid to be a criminal as upright citizens were frustrated yet criminals were thriving.

Some of the people in the audience had already received the requisite forms for the property tax and found there were 13 requirements.

“That not going to happen,” he said.

Karim said the group needed to send a message to Government.

“You need to start thinking again Dr Rowley, start being a human again...,” he said.

“Those people who are red and ready, be brave and when you fill out your form, put it in Facebook. I want to see how many of the red and ready going to fill out these forms,” he said, referring to the PNM's rallying call during the 2015 general election campaign.

He said one of the unseen victims of the property tax would be insurance companies.

He said several property owners had already approached him, saying they planned to burn their properties down instead of paying the property tax.

“Insurance companies going to bawl,” Karim said.

“There are some people who would rather make a jail than pay this tax,” he said. “Property tax is a killing tax,” he said.

He suggested a motorcade throughout various communities or a march to raise awareness and eventually overturn the tax.

Fellow speaker, Dwarika Narace called for the group to find a property expert to help educate them.

Narace said citizens were being punished for the bad decisions and bad spending of the government.

Several of the people gathered held handmade placards, saying “enough is enough” and called on Government to rescind the idea of the new tax.

Radio personalities, Mikey K, Lennox Smith and Andy Williams were also called on to address the crowd.

“I value my vote. You send people to Parliament to do something for you, not get free healthcare and drive in a Prado,” Mikey K said.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby K74T » April 22nd, 2017, 11:35 pm

Another homegrown terrorist group

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby The_Honourable » April 23rd, 2017, 12:47 am

I'll give Ummah T&T their due... they are actually doing something about it while the rest of T&T cussing while filling out the forms.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » April 23rd, 2017, 6:21 am

people really think a march going and stop Rowly from dealing wid we...at least they trying but they need to face reality

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Average » April 23rd, 2017, 7:42 am

The_Honourable wrote:I'll give Ummah T&T their due... they are actually doing something about it while the rest of T&T cussing while filling out the forms.


Ent? but this is the norm here in this lost paradise, when someone or some group stands up, it's like in primary school or high school, they get jeers from the other classmates because they themselves are too afraid to join in. So they just point and laugh but inside they're really jealous that somebody is actually DOING something.
I myself wish for the greatest of civil unrests to occur due to this dotish tax.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby urbandilema » April 23rd, 2017, 8:23 am

Average wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:I'll give Ummah T&T their due... they are actually doing something about it while the rest of T&T cussing while filling out the forms.


Ent? but this is the norm here in this lost paradise, when someone or some group stands up, it's like in primary school or high school, they get jeers from the other classmates because they themselves are too afraid to join in. So they just point and laugh but inside they're really jealous that somebody is actually DOING something.
I myself wish for the greatest of civil unrests to occur due to this dotish tax.

We go stand when u reach Venezuela status..#hardtimesahead

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Redman » April 23rd, 2017, 8:58 am

What's the anticipated yield from this?
How does it compare to the fuel subsidy?

Axe the tax and the fuel subsidy.... Every one will be happy.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Dizzy28 » April 23rd, 2017, 9:04 am

K74T wrote:Another homegrown terrorist group

Not nice to call the PNM that no matter how kantish they are

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

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/nah

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 16 cycles » April 23rd, 2017, 9:08 am

Need to raise money.....Oil might stay at low levels for a while...

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16 cycles wrote:Need to raise money.....Oil might stay at low levels for a while...

The inflation adjusted price of crude oil is expected to remain steady through 2030 (12 years).

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby hydroep » April 23rd, 2017, 10:26 am

Get Roget to take up the cause...Rowley 'fraid he like a Cyat 'fraid water.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby solar_ice » April 23rd, 2017, 12:19 pm

We jamming still

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Redman » April 23rd, 2017, 12:21 pm

adnj wrote:
16 cycles wrote:Need to raise money.....Oil might stay at low levels for a while...

The inflation adjusted price of crude oil is expected to remain steady through 2030 (12 years).


you have a link?

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

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EXCLUSIVE: NYC property taxes favor rich and white homeowners, lawsuit claims

Image The city says Mayor de Blasio's Park Slope properties are worth about $1.6 million apiece, resulting in a $3,581 property tax bill. (Todd Maisel/New York Daily News)


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Greg B. Smith
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Sunday, April 23, 2017, 12:46 AM

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This year Mayor de Blasio will pay $3,581 in property taxes on each of two row houses he owns in ultra-gentrified Park Slope. The city says his properties are worth about $1.6 million apiece.

Some 14 miles away, in middle-class Laurelton, Queens, Arthur Russell, 66, who retired from computer sales, will pay a property tax bill that, at $4,569, is about 28% higher than the mayor’s — even though the city says his single-family home is worth 75% less than de Blasio’s properties, at $396,000.

If Russell were taxed like the mayor, his bill would fall by roughly $3,500 a year.

“That money could be vacation money,” said Russell, who is African-American. “It’s a substantial amount. My frustration is that it’s blatant abuse. People, if you take a look at this thing, you see disparity.”

De Blasio says property tax cap for NYC is a 'non-starter'

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Victor DiPierro, 49, in front of his house in the Country Club section of the Bronx, says he paid $1,700 in taxes in 2003, the year he bought a two-story single-family home the city says is worth $512,000. (Michael Schwartz for New York Daily News)

Across the five boroughs, the city Department of Finance is subjecting tens of thousands of homeowners to similarly unequal billing — with the winners located primarily in upscale neighborhoods like Williamsburg, Brooklyn Heights and Greenwich Village and the losers located overwhelmingly in working- and middle-class neighborhoods like South Jamaica, East New York and Brownsville.

Often, the brunt falls most heavily on black or Hispanic property owners.

A coalition called Tax Equity Now NY, which includes the NAACP, the Black Institute, several landlords and homeowners, has teamed up with lawyers from the firm Latham & Watkins, including former Chief Judge Jonathan Lippmann, to file a class-action suit this week charging that the DNA of the city’s property tax system is racially biased and favors the affluent over the working- and middle-class.

“This is an insidious sort of economic oppression that doesn’t seem sexy, that doesn’t seem to pop up,” said Bertha Lewis, Black Institute’s president. “The more we looked into this, it’s just outrageous these inequities — from neighborhood to neighborhood, community to community being taxed at different rates.”

With data compiled by Martha Stark, a commissioner of finance during the Bloomberg administration, the lawsuit documents a jarring unfairness between the haves and the have-nots — particularly for homeowners.

The higher the assessed value of a property, the bigger the tax bill. To keep things fair, the state requires that appraisals be based on sales of similar properties.

That’s not what’s happening in New York City.

The data show that collectively, New York City homeowners in predominantly minority neighborhoods pay $376 million more than they would have if their properties had been accurately appraised based on comparative sales. Their properties are over-assessed by $1.7 billion, which averages to an extra $844 per homeowner per year.

Homeowners in Washington Heights, where the demographic is 83% non-white, are assessed at 141% of comparative sales prices. Homeowners in highly gentrified Williamsburg/Greenpoint (which is 63% white) are assessed at only 74% of comparative sales.

Majority white neighborhoods get this assessment break almost universally — properties in Park Slope/Carroll Gardens are assessed at 86% of average sales prices, Brooklyn Heights/DUMBO at 87% and Greenwich Village at 94%.

Of the 101 sales in Park Slope in 2015, the city assigned market values totaling $10 million less than the actual sales total of $269 million. That included a one-family on Prospect Park West that sold for $12.4 million but was given a market value of $4.9 million and one on Garfield Place that sold for $7.6 million but was appraised at $4.2 million.

Around the corner from de Blasio’s row houses, a three-family home that sold for $2.7 million was appraised at $2.2 million, while a single-family home that sold for $1.2 million was appraised by the city at $929,431.

De Blasio grilled over resistance to property tax cap


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East New York homeowner Guy Sumler, 59, technically faces a $7,308 tax bill on a property the city values at $156,000. (Byron Smith for New York Daily News)

Farther into the outer boroughs homes in nearly all of the poorest neighborhoods are assigned assessments that greatly exceed comparative sales prices, including Jamaica/Hollis in Queens (111%), Crotona Park (123%) in the Bronx and East New York in Brooklyn (112%).

A two-family home on Liberty Ave. in East New York, for example, sold for $105,000 but was appraised at $438,000 by the Finance Department. Across East New York in 2015, the city assigned a market value of $232.3 million to properties that sold for $194 million.

East New York homeowner Guy Sumler, 59, technically faces a $7,308 tax bill on a property the city values at $156,000 — a property that is remarkably similar to the mayor’s: a two-story row house.

He is aware the mayor’s tax bill is half the amount of his.

Wealthy N.Y. preacher wants to sell church mansion to dodge taxes

Sumler, an African-American tech consultant, said he came across the inequities while doing research on why his tax bill was so hefty.


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This property at 17 Prospect Park West, built in 1899, had a June 2015 sales price of $12.4 million, but is assessed by the city at $4.9 million. (Byron Smith for New York Daily News)

“I did see certain areas where we’re paying much more taxes than much more influential neighborhoods,” he said. “The few influential neighborhoods, those people don’t look like me.”

He lives with his 84-year-old mother so the home gets a senior citizen tax break that lowers the bill to $3,038, but even that is an annual stress.

“You have a community that’s a low income community that cannot keep up paying their taxes, plus the mortgage plus the other costs. It is not an easy task,” he said.

Up in the middle-class Spencer Estates in the Bronx, retired NYPD Detective Victor DiPierro, 49, paid $1,700 in taxes in 2003, the year he bought a two-story single-family home the city says is worth $512,000. Today he pays $6,141 — nearly twice what the mayor pays on his $1.5 million row house.

“It’s just not fair. We’re blue collar people. We’re not millionaires,” he said.

Though property assessment is not an exact science, it is math based and an error rate on appraisals of plus- or minus- 10 points is considered acceptable by appraisal professionals, experts say. New York City’s assessment error rate has a plus or minus of nearly 100, with the agency’s estimation of value ranging from 49.9% of actual sales prices to 141.1% of actual sales prices.

“That’s terrible,” said Patrick O’Connor of Texas-based O’Connor Consulting, experts in residential valuation.

He should know — he was also the head of the New York City Department of Finance Property Division back in the 1990s.


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This one-family real estate at 250 Garfield Place, built in 1899, was priced at $7.6 million on June 2015 and has been assessed by the Department of Finance at $4.2 million. (Byron Smith for New York Daily News)

The inequities for homeowners, he said, are created by rules that cap increases to assessments at 6% per year and no more than 20% within five years.

Because higher value properties rise in value faster, O’Connor says the caps suppress their assessed value while actual sales prices rise higher and higher. Lower value homes tend to stay flat in value, so the 6% assessment hikes often drive their assessed value above their actual sales value.

“The higher value areas were going up faster until the caps. The higher value neighborhoods have benefited from the cap more than the other areas of the city,” he said. “That’s what the problem is.”

Pol wants Albany to allow NYC to cap property tax hikes

On Friday, Finance Department spokeswoman Sonia Alleyne said the agency “values properties based on requirements set out in New York State law. The law includes a cap on assessed values for one- to three-family homes that can create disparities in the taxes paid by owners of homes in different neighborhoods.”

This is exacerbated because the system also places a disproportionate burden on rental buildings with more than 11 units, which the lawsuit will allege is passed on to tenants. While big apartment buildings account for 24% of market value in the city, they pay 37% of the taxes.

As the unfairness of the system became more obvious over the years, property owners tried to get the city and state to fix the problem, but politicians — fearful of enraging certain classes of taxpayers — looked away.

The problem in eliminating these inequities is some taxpayers will end up paying more and some less down the line — a radioactive equation for most politicians, says Carol Kellerman, president of the Citizens Budget Commission, a good government group that’s been seeking reform for years.

Tower tax break hits city for $66M

“It’s gotten out of whack, but it’s hard to quantify and then present the bill,” she said. “The problem is, if you run them through the formula, there will be some people who are taxed more and some who are taxed less. And our political system doesn’t seem to handle well situations where there are winners and losers.”

Last week, this became obvious during a press conference when the mayor was asked about his modest property tax bills.

He conceded “there are obvious inequities” in the system and promised to confront the problem — but only if he is re-elected this fall. Asked why he couldn’t take on the issue now he replied:

“It’s because it is something that is going to take so much effort and so much of the administration’s time and energy that it’s just not a thing we’re going to do now.”

Cuomo unveils $1.6B homeowner, renter relief plan

He called any push for property tax reform as a “massive undertaking, about the most controversial thing you could imagine,” and made a point of noting that it can’t result in a loss of revenue.

“We can’t lose revenue in the bargain. We just can’t,” he said. “Let’s be real world about it.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc ... -1.3089889

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Postby adnj » April 23rd, 2017, 3:50 pm

Redman wrote:
adnj wrote:
16 cycles wrote:Need to raise money.....Oil might stay at low levels for a while...

The inflation adjusted price of crude oil is expected to remain steady through 2030 (12 years).


you have a link?

http://opendata.fcsa.gov.ae/yxptpab/cru ... and-charts

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Postby Redman » April 23rd, 2017, 4:40 pm

adnj wrote:
Redman wrote:
adnj wrote:
16 cycles wrote:Need to raise money.....Oil might stay at low levels for a while...

The inflation adjusted price of crude oil is expected to remain steady through 2030 (12 years).


you have a link?

<a class="vglnk" href="http://opendata.fcsa.gov.ae/yxptpab/crude-oil-price-forecast-long-term-2017-to-2030-data-and-charts" rel="nofollow"><span>http</span><span>://</span><span>opendata</span><span>.</span><span>fcsa</span><span>.</span><span>gov</span><span>.</span><span>ae</span><span>/</span><span>yxptpab</span><span>/</span><span>crude</span><span>-</span><span>oil</span><span>-</span><span>price</span><span>-</span><span>forecast</span><span>-</span><span>long</span><span>-</span><span>term</span><span>-</span><span>2017</span><span>-</span><span>to</span><span>-</span><span>2030</span><span>-</span><span>data</span><span>-</span><span>and</span><span>-</span><span>charts</span></a>


Thank you.

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Postby drchaos » April 23rd, 2017, 6:44 pm

The "assessment" part of this property tax is how the PNM is gonna screw the middle class and help out their rich upper class friends/financiers.


Assessing someone's home is highly subjective and thus leads to an unfair system.

Why not TAX based on classification/approvals of the land based on the square footage? This would be fairer!
Eg. 40 cents a square/foot for residential property on a yearly basis. Every 5 years increase the tax by 5% or review the pricing scheme.

Wanna bet Rowley and Imps bert properties rental value get valued for less than my empty lot.

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Postby sMASH » April 23rd, 2017, 7:04 pm

Square area by land use!

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Postby car » April 23rd, 2017, 7:07 pm

So if you have a mortgage then the bank rightfully own the property. The home owner will own it after the mortgage is paid out. So property tax should rightfully be paid by the bank.

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Postby drchaos » April 23rd, 2017, 7:29 pm

car wrote:So if you have a mortgage then the bank rightfully own the property. The home owner will own it after the mortgage is paid out. So property tax should rightfully be paid by the bank.


Really? My credit union mortgage says I own the land but if I refuse to pay the mortgage and after yadda yadda yadda them trying to get me to pay it they can seize the property and liquidate it to cover their losses.

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Postby car » April 23rd, 2017, 8:50 pm

drchaos wrote:
car wrote:So if you have a mortgage then the bank rightfully own the property. The home owner will own it after the mortgage is paid out. So property tax should rightfully be paid by the bank.


Really? My credit union mortgage says I own the land but if I refuse to pay the mortgage and after yadda yadda yadda them trying to get me to pay it they can seize the property and liquidate it to cover their losses.


Same ting they said but they have the deed for the land which was mine. Technically the house is theirs till it is paid off.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » April 23rd, 2017, 8:54 pm

sMASH wrote:Square area by land use!

The assessment is based on how much the property can be rented for.

Rents follow area, location and amenities so assessments should, too. A two bedroom block house on 5000 Sq ft in Los Lomas doesn't rent for as much as a two bedroom condo with no land in One Woodbrook Place.

But if you built a 5 bedroom, 6 bathroom, 3 story house with a hot tub and a pool on 5000 Sq ft in Los Lomas, your taxes are going to be high for that neighborhood.

car wrote:So if you have a mortgage then the bank rightfully own the property. The home owner will own it after the mortgage is paid out. So property tax should rightfully be paid by the bank.

The mortgagor doesn't own the property. Many mortgage agreements include payment of water, tax and insurance bills. The mortgage company only holds a lien on your property.
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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby nightcrawler » April 23rd, 2017, 8:55 pm

Anybody fill out and submit online form for property tax, seeing a deadline date of may 22

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Dave » April 23rd, 2017, 9:41 pm

Mid year review coming up....any guesses what may happen?

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