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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby wing » October 11th, 2023, 1:06 pm

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allyuh carry allyuh bickering in a room
Why? It's better to insult and call names if you don't agree with me. Join tun tun for a day. Tobago full of stupid people. You sound like a red mis idiot.
If u come with BullŚhit u deserve to be call a clown.

Ur the only one in here to bring yellow supporters into this cause u have an agenda.
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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Jerry84 » October 11th, 2023, 2:20 pm

This can never be right. As the United Nations indicated in their report, it is only fair to give back to the Palestinians what is truly theirs. The Israelites are literally putting them out of their own home which they have occupied for decades. At this time no title of ownership matters. And the entire of Gaza and the West Bank will be bombed, thus completing Israel's ethnic cleansing that they portrayed.
Sad part is all the world's super powers are either standing with Israel or remaining silent. Over $2Bn us dollars are pumped annually into the Israeli army, one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world so it is inevitable that the Muslims there will suffer till they are all dead.
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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » October 11th, 2023, 2:38 pm

VexXx Dogg wrote:I follow this dude's channel, he usually has good stuff.
Here's his synopsis.
Hmmm. Apparently it was known...
Prolly planned..
Their own 9/11
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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby The_Honourable » October 11th, 2023, 2:41 pm

Meanwhile... current gone in Gaza.

Israel forms an emergency unity government.

Egypt says no to refugees.

Ground assault imminent.

Death toll: Israel - 1200, Palestinians - 1100.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby bluefete » October 11th, 2023, 2:45 pm

This thing is much larger than anyone originally thought.

Listening to some Israeli survivors, Hamas really did a number on some Israeli settlements. Really horrible.

It does not excuse the atrocities the Israeli's did to the Palestinians over the years.

The Israeli response is simply - take no prisoners. Gaza people have nowhere to go - even to the sea is not safe. They will be slaughtered like sheep when the ground invasion begins.

Also, Hamas/ Lebanon attacked the NORTH of Israel this evening. The war is expanding.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby meccalli » October 11th, 2023, 3:06 pm

Zionism is equally blinding and and conflict driven as are the beliefs of Hamas. People are focusing on historical conflicts etc, but it pales in comparision to the wind that fans the flame of the people's faith, their belief systems. Both sides believe they are God's chosen people and both expect to reign over the rest of the nations and peoples including you and I, whether they be goyim or muahid. Both expect a messiah (moshiach, eesa) and a false messiah (anti christ, dajjal). In that world, the day of reckoning, the apocalypse in their world is marked by the destruction of the Jew.

Al-Bukhari (3593) and Muslim (2921) narrated from the hadith of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) say: “The Jews will fight you and you will prevail over them, then a rock will say: ‘O Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.’”

In Saheeh Muslim (2922), it is narrated from the hadith of Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them, until a Jew hides behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: O Muslim, O slave of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Except the gharqad (a thorny tree), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.”

In some reports there is an indication that the fighting against the Jews that is mentioned in this hadith will occur at the end of time, when the Dajjal emerges and the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) descends and fights him.

‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Dajjal will camp in this salty, barren ground in Marr Qanat [a valley in Madinah], and most of those who go out to him will be women, to the extent that a man will go back to his relative, to his mother, his daughter, his sister and his paternal aunt, and will tie her up for fear that she may go out to him. Then Allah will give the Muslims power over him, and they will kill him and his party, until a Jew will hide beneath a tree or a rock, and the rock or tree will say to the Muslim: ‘Here is a Jew beneath me; kill him.’”

Narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad (9/255). But there is some weakness in its isnad because of the ‘an‘anah of Muhammad ibn Is-haq [i.e., narration by saying ‘an (from) rather than saying So and so said/told us]. There are other corroborating reports; see the commentary on al-Musnad in the Mu’sasat ar-Risalah edition.

These corroborating reports were quoted by al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him) in Fath al-Bari (6/610); he classed as hasan the hadith of Samurah ibn Jundub (may Allah be pleased with him), then he said: What is meant by fighting the Jews is that this will happen when the Dajjal emerges and ‘Eesa descends. End quote.

Ibn al-Mulqin said: What is meant by the words “You will fight the Jews” is that this will happen when ‘Eesa descends; the Muslims will be with him and the Jews will be with the Dajjal.

End quote from at-Tawdeeh li Sharh al-Jami‘ as-Saheeh (17/663).

This is what was stated definitively by a number of commentators on the hadith. In fact Imam at-Tirmidhi (2236) narrated the hadith of ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar, which is quoted above, in the chapter entitled The Signs of the Dajjal (‘Alamaat ad-Dajjal).

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The Jews are in fact awaiting the false messiah (al-maseeh ad-dajjal), for he is the one whom the Jews will follow. Seventy thousand of the Jews of Isfahan wearing tayalisah (a kind of head covering) will emerge with him. The Muslims will fight them with him, to the extent that trees and rocks will say: “O Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.”

End quote from al-Jawab as-Saheeh li man baddala Deen al-Maseeh (2/30).

Ash-Shaykh Ibn Baz (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

‘Eesa (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) will fight him, supported by the Muslims, and he will kill him at the gate of al-Ludd (Lod), which is in Palestine, near al-Quds (Jerusalem). He will kill him with his spear, as it says in the saheeh hadith, and the Muslims who are with him will kill a great number of the Jews. It says in the hadith from the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that the Muslims will fight the Jews, and will kill them and gain power over them, and trees and rocks will call out: O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew; come and kill him. And ‘Eesa will kill the Dajjal and put an end to him.

End quote from Fatawa Noor ‘ala ad-Darb by Ibn Baz, ed by ash-Shuway‘ir (4/290)

When the Dajjal emerges, thousands of the Jews will follow him and rally around him, aiming to fight the Muslims. Then the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him) will descend and the Muslims will rally around him to fight the Dajjal and his followers. ‘Eesa ibn Maryam will call the Jews to Islam, and he will not accept anything from them at that time except Islam. Some of them will become Muslim and some of them will remain followers of Judaism, then will come the battle that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) mentioned.

Thus it is clear that the battle, for the Muslims, will be a just and legitimate battle that Allah, may He be exalted, undoubtedly approves of. This is indicated by the following:

· It will be against the Dajjal and his supporters who gathered to fight the Muslims. “They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah’s Light (with which Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafiroon (disbelievers) hate (it)” [at-Tawbah 9:32].

· It will be a battle fought by the Muslims under the leadership of ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him), one of the noble Messengers.

· Allah, may He be exalted, will honour the Muslims in this battle with this miracle, which is that rocks and trees will speak and call the Muslims to come and kill the Jews who will be hiding behind them.

All of this indicates that it will be a just battle that Allah approves of, as was the case with all the Islamic battles in which the aim was to make the word of Allah supreme on earth. “Whoever fights so that the word of Allah will be supreme is fighting in the way of Allah.” Narrated by Muslim (1915).

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Jerry84 » October 11th, 2023, 3:25 pm

Bottom line is the massacre that has been ongoing for decades will lead to the Palestinians slaughtered, man, woman and child and who ever is left will be pushed out of Gaza and the West Bank.

I've had the opportunity to visit a few years ago and both Gaza and the West Bank are like serious slums/ghetto. Already have issues with clean water, electricity and some basic food stuff and now they are totally cut off. Israelites are closing which property they want and the army is removing the inhabitants (Palestinians) to facilitate the Israelite, no matter if they have title for land etc.

In this war 98% of those killed will be the innocent ones including children. What is unfortunate is that the superpowers of the world knows about the history of this place and some are in support of the situation.

Nelson Mandela once said that he lived in a country of apartheid regime but his experience is nothing close to what the Palestinians go through daily.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby meccalli » October 11th, 2023, 3:30 pm

The Charter of Hamas.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Just a few excerpts to show the extent that it is rooted in an eschatological basis that plays out into this terrible reality.
Article 15
It is necessary to instill in the minds of the Moslem generations that the Palestinian problem is a religious problem, and should be dealt with on this basis. Palestine contains Islamic holy sites. In it there is al- Aqsa Mosque which is bound to the great Mosque in Mecca in an inseparable bond as long as heaven and earth speak of Isra` (Mohammed's midnight journey to the seven heavens) and Mi'raj (Mohammed's ascension to the seven heavens from Jerusalem).

"The bond of one day for the sake of Allah is better than the world and whatever there is on it. The place of one's whip in Paradise is far better than the world and whatever there is on it. A worshipper's going and coming in the service of Allah is better than the world and whatever there is on it." (As related by al-Bukhari, Moslem, al-Tarmdhi and Ibn Maja).
"I swear by the holder of Mohammed's soul that I would like to invade and be killed for the sake of Allah, then invade and be killed, and then invade again and be killed." (As related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Peaceful Solutions, Initiatives and International Conferences:

Article Thirteen:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with. As in said in the honourable Hadith:

"The people of Syria are Allah's lash in His land. He wreaks His vengeance through them against whomsoever He wishes among His slaves It is unthinkable that those who are double-faced among them should prosper over the faithful. They will certainly die out of grief and desperation."

Article twenty
n their Nazi treatment, the Jews made no exception for women or children. Their policy of striking fear in the heart is meant for all. They attack people where their breadwinning is concerned, extorting their money and threatening their honour. They deal with people as if they were the worst war criminals. Deportation from the homeland is a kind of murder.

To counter these deeds, it is necessary that social mutual responsibility should prevail among the people. The enemy should be faced by the people as a single body which if one member of it should complain, the rest of the body would respond by feeling the same pains.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby teems1 » October 11th, 2023, 3:39 pm

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby zoom rader » October 11th, 2023, 3:46 pm

The_Honourable wrote:Meanwhile... current gone in Gaza.

Israel forms an emergency unity government.

Egypt says no to refugees.

Ground assault imminent.

Death toll: Israel - 1200, Palestinians - 1100.
Egypt has to follow the US directions, nothing more than a puppet

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby zoom rader » October 11th, 2023, 3:48 pm

bluefete wrote:This thing is much larger than anyone originally thought.

Listening to some Israeli survivors, Hamas really did a number on some Israeli settlements. Really horrible.

It does not excuse the atrocities the Israeli's did to the Palestinians over the years.

The Israeli response is simply - take no prisoners. Gaza people have nowhere to go - even to the sea is not safe. They will be slaughtered like sheep when the ground invasion begins.

Also, Hamas/ Lebanon attacked the NORTH of Israel this evening. The war is expanding.
All set up the US.

Fund Hamas, start war, decimate Muslims, clear out lands.

Text book war

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby ed360123 » October 11th, 2023, 4:37 pm

Jerry84 wrote:Bottom line is the massacre that has been ongoing for decades will lead to the Palestinians slaughtered, man, woman and child and who ever is left will be pushed out of Gaza and the West Bank.

I've had the opportunity to visit a few years ago and both Gaza and the West Bank are like serious slums/ghetto. Already have issues with clean water, electricity and some basic food stuff and now they are totally cut off. Israelites are closing which property they want and the army is removing the inhabitants (Palestinians) to facilitate the Israelite, no matter if they have title for land etc.

In this war 98% of those killed will be the innocent ones including children. What is unfortunate is that the superpowers of the world knows about the history of this place and some are in support of the situation.

Nelson Mandela once said that he lived in a country of apartheid regime but his experience is nothing close to what the Palestinians go through daily.
If you don't mind me asking, why did you visit that area?

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby ed360123 » October 11th, 2023, 4:39 pm

teems1 wrote:
Jerry84 wrote:Bottom line is the massacre that has been ongoing for decades will lead to the Palestinians slaughtered, man, woman and child and who ever is left will be pushed out of Gaza and the West Bank.

I've had the opportunity to visit a few years ago and both Gaza and the West Bank are like serious slums/ghetto. Already have issues with clean water, electricity and some basic food stuff and now they are totally cut off. Israelites are closing which property they want and the army is removing the inhabitants (Palestinians) to facilitate the Israelite, no matter if they have title for land etc.

In this war 98% of those killed will be the innocent ones including children. What is unfortunate is that the superpowers of the world knows about the history of this place and some are in support of the situation.

Nelson Mandela once said that he lived in a country of apartheid regime but his experience is nothing close to what the Palestinians go through daily.


Palestine could stop the bloodshed right now if they wanted.

Abandon the 2 state plan, sue for peace, cede all lands and territory to Israel. The ball is in their court. If Pride gets in their way and the Palestinians refuse to act, the stomping of Gaza will continue.

Hamas leadership lives in Qatar in luxury though. They don't give a sheit about the 2m people.
What exactly does 'sue for peace' mean? That's not a thing.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » October 11th, 2023, 4:48 pm

If the zionists want Palestine so bad, they will have to commit genocide to take it.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » October 11th, 2023, 4:49 pm

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teems1 wrote:
Jerry84 wrote:Bottom line is the massacre that has been ongoing for decades will lead to the Palestinians slaughtered, man, woman and child and who ever is left will be pushed out of Gaza and the West Bank.

I've had the opportunity to visit a few years ago and both Gaza and the West Bank are like serious slums/ghetto. Already have issues with clean water, electricity and some basic food stuff and now they are totally cut off. Israelites are closing which property they want and the army is removing the inhabitants (Palestinians) to facilitate the Israelite, no matter if they have title for land etc.

In this war 98% of those killed will be the innocent ones including children. What is unfortunate is that the superpowers of the world knows about the history of this place and some are in support of the situation.

Nelson Mandela once said that he lived in a country of apartheid regime but his experience is nothing close to what the Palestinians go through daily.


Palestine could stop the bloodshed right now if they wanted.

Abandon the 2 state plan, sue for peace, cede all lands and territory to Israel. The ball is in their court. If Pride gets in their way and the Palestinians refuse to act, the stomping of Gaza will continue.

Hamas leadership lives in Qatar in luxury though. They don't give a sheit about the 2m people.
What exactly does 'sue for peace' mean? That's not a thing.
That is just the ole time phrase used to mean asking for a peace deal.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » October 11th, 2023, 5:02 pm

zoom rader wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:Meanwhile... current gone in Gaza.

Israel forms an emergency unity government.

Egypt says no to refugees.

Ground assault imminent.

Death toll: Israel - 1200, Palestinians - 1100.
Egypt has to follow the US directions, nothing more than a puppet
Isreal bombed the Egypt border crossing
No way in or out.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby paid_influencer » October 11th, 2023, 5:19 pm

death365 wrote:https://caricom.org/caricom-statement-on-the-developments-in-israel/

The Caribbean Community (CARICOM) abhors the attacks in Israel and the counterattacks in the Palestinian territory of Gaza. Further, the savage nature of the attacks and counterattacks is the antithesis of civilised life and living. Innocent lives are being lost amidst the fervour and violence of the actual combatants.

CARICOM thus joins the responsible members of the international community in calling for an immediate ceasefire and end of hostilities by all parties.

The recent round of hostilities reflects the pain and suffering of ancient quarrels. The ongoing harsh conditions under which the Palestinians live in veritable colonialism and Israel’s sense of insecurity will contribute to a cycle of violence until those realities are definitively addressed.

Accordingly, CARICOM continues to support the United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 and the ongoing efforts of the United Nations towards a two-state solution as the best way to achieve comprehensive peace, security and tranquillity between Israel and Palestine.


this is actually very on the mark

while being careful not to ruffle bigger and more powerful bullies i mean countries

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Prophecy

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Postby Jerry84 » October 11th, 2023, 6:22 pm

teems1 wrote:
Jerry84 wrote:Bottom line is the massacre that has been ongoing for decades will lead to the Palestinians slaughtered, man, woman and child and who ever is left will be pushed out of Gaza and the West Bank.

I've had the opportunity to visit a few years ago and both Gaza and the West Bank are like serious slums/ghetto. Already have issues with clean water, electricity and some basic food stuff and now they are totally cut off. Israelites are closing which property they want and the army is removing the inhabitants (Palestinians) to facilitate the Israelite, no matter if they have title for land etc.

In this war 98% of those killed will be the innocent ones including children. What is unfortunate is that the superpowers of the world knows about the history of this place and some are in support of the situation.

Nelson Mandela once said that he lived in a country of apartheid regime but his experience is nothing close to what the Palestinians go through daily.


Palestine could stop the bloodshed right now if they wanted.

Abandon the 2 state plan, sue for peace, cede all lands and territory to Israel. The ball is in their court. If Pride gets in their way and the Palestinians refuse to act, the stomping of Gaza will continue.

Hamas leadership lives in Qatar in luxury though. They don't give a sheit about the 2m people.
I disagree. The ball is not in the hands of the Palestinians. They have been is a situation for decades where they have to take whatever they get and not say anything. They are literally hearded like livestock into 2 cities, Gaza and Westbank. Most of the mainstream media portraits a bias image of the entire country until situations like this happens and Isreal plays victim, despite the decades of torture the true Palestinians had to go through, their lands basically taken from them.

This is not something that happened overnight but decades of oppression. In the picture below the green represents the area occupied by Palestinians over the years.
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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Jerry84 » October 11th, 2023, 6:24 pm

ed360123 wrote:
Jerry84 wrote:Bottom line is the massacre that has been ongoing for decades will lead to the Palestinians slaughtered, man, woman and child and who ever is left will be pushed out of Gaza and the West Bank.

I've had the opportunity to visit a few years ago and both Gaza and the West Bank are like serious slums/ghetto. Already have issues with clean water, electricity and some basic food stuff and now they are totally cut off. Israelites are closing which property they want and the army is removing the inhabitants (Palestinians) to facilitate the Israelite, no matter if they have title for land etc.

In this war 98% of those killed will be the innocent ones including children. What is unfortunate is that the superpowers of the world knows about the history of this place and some are in support of the situation.

Nelson Mandela once said that he lived in a country of apartheid regime but his experience is nothing close to what the Palestinians go through daily.
If you don't mind me asking, why did you visit that area?
I went there as part of a group for work purposes. An IDB project which I took advantage of.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Jerry84 » October 11th, 2023, 6:24 pm

ed360123 wrote:
teems1 wrote:
Jerry84 wrote:Bottom line is the massacre that has been ongoing for decades will lead to the Palestinians slaughtered, man, woman and child and who ever is left will be pushed out of Gaza and the West Bank.

I've had the opportunity to visit a few years ago and both Gaza and the West Bank are like serious slums/ghetto. Already have issues with clean water, electricity and some basic food stuff and now they are totally cut off. Israelites are closing which property they want and the army is removing the inhabitants (Palestinians) to facilitate the Israelite, no matter if they have title for land etc.

In this war 98% of those killed will be the innocent ones including children. What is unfortunate is that the superpowers of the world knows about the history of this place and some are in support of the situation.

Nelson Mandela once said that he lived in a country of apartheid regime but his experience is nothing close to what the Palestinians go through daily.


Palestine could stop the bloodshed right now if they wanted.

Abandon the 2 state plan, sue for peace, cede all lands and territory to Israel. The ball is in their court. If Pride gets in their way and the Palestinians refuse to act, the stomping of Gaza will continue.

Hamas leadership lives in Qatar in luxury though. They don't give a sheit about the 2m people.
What exactly does 'sue for peace' mean? That's not a thing.
No clue what this is.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Jerry84 » October 11th, 2023, 6:25 pm

sMASH wrote:If the zionists want Palestine so bad, they will have to commit genocide to take it.
In my opinion this is just short of genocide.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Jerry84 » October 11th, 2023, 6:28 pm

sMASH wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:Meanwhile... current gone in Gaza.

Israel forms an emergency unity government.

Egypt says no to refugees.

Ground assault imminent.

Death toll: Israel - 1200, Palestinians - 1100.
Egypt has to follow the US directions, nothing more than a puppet
Isreal bombed the Egypt border crossing
No way in or out.

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Exactly. From my visit I had to pass through Egypt with the group and the Egyptians fear the Israeli government/troops as they are loaded with nuclear power, other arsenals, all in an effort for war.

They all humble themselves before the Israeli government.

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we should sue lavantille for peace

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Jerry84 » October 11th, 2023, 6:44 pm

The first 2 pictures are at Gaza where there is a fence around the border. If you want to come out of Gaza the last picture is what you have to face on a daily basis.
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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Jerry84 » October 11th, 2023, 6:45 pm

The first picture is what you have to face if you want to come out of Gaza, my error...a "check point"

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby bluefete » October 11th, 2023, 6:58 pm

The Western media (ABC, CBS etc) are ramping up the rhetoric to show the brutalities of Hamas.

This is to justify the slaughter of innocents in Gaza.

That story about the 40 beheaded babies seems to be well co-ordinated amongst the media.

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