Government achievement thread (PNM EDITION 2015-2025)

[UML]

The truth is that we can't win the war on crime.

We sit between the suppliers and the demand for cocaine.

We are a narco economy..dependent on the financial benefits of transshipment and laundering

The PPs major failure is as EmilioaA indicated discontinuing programs because they were"PNM " and not replacing them...why did it take 5 years to replace the OpV s?

maybe just maybe there was a legal battle which didnt take one day

maybe just maybe they had to wait more than the next day for the money they won

maybe just maybe they took the money they won to pay for the new boats

maybe just maybe it would take more than one day to build boats

maybe just maybe government procedures are bureaucratic in nature and take longer than one day

maybe just maybe the PNM sleeper cells were prolonging the procedure even further for political points taking longer than one day


you really have to be "special" to be a PNM

[Habit7]

Speaking of compulsive liar...

30 killed since polls
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09- ... lled-polls

Yet

It is

36 murders / 15 days


Ent the PNM claimed to have the solution to crime???????:shock:

UNC promised to deal with crime in 120days, yet at 2 weeks you want a change to what has been happening over the last decade.

[UML]

You think PM Rowley who NEVER contributed to the Children's Life Fund will help this poor little baby?

[desifemlove]

The truth is that we can't win the war on crime.

We sit between the suppliers and the demand for cocaine.

We are a narco economy..dependent on the financial benefits of transshipment and laundering

The PPs major failure is as EmilioaA indicated discontinuing programs because they were"PNM " and not replacing them...why did it take 5 years to replace the OpV s?

maybe just maybe there was a legal battle which didnt take one day

maybe just maybe they had to wait more than the next day for the money they won

maybe just maybe they took the money they won to pay for the new boats

maybe just maybe it would take more than one day to build boats

maybe just maybe government procedures are bureaucratic in nature and take longer than one day

maybe just maybe the PNM sleeper cells were prolonging the procedure even further for political points taking longer than one day


you really have to be "special" to be a PNM

Dat's cute...on your party's Facebook page, i saw people saying dey does want three Siparia seats cos Diego has three and this is unfair to the PNM.....specials go both ways,..

[UML]

Speaking of compulsive liar...

30 killed since polls
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09- ... lled-polls

Yet

It is

36 murders / 15 days


Ent the PNM claimed to have the solution to crime???????:shock:

UNC promised to deal with crime in 120days, yet at 2 weeks you want a change to what has been happening over the last decade.

didnt election night every television station have different results?






The PNM said they had ALL the SOLUTIONS and spread MISINFORMATION AND PROPAGANDA OF DOOM AND GLOOM

then this...

PM ROWLEY admits that the sky isnt falling and things are not as bad as they seem.....AFTER he told the nation otherwise BEFORE elections.

#compulsiveliar
#chickenlicking

[K74T]

Froth overload in effect.

[Morpheus]

Froth overload in effect.

x2

UML is just for amusement oui. Carry on.....

[Habit7]

Speaking of compulsive liar...

30 killed since polls
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09- ... lled-polls

Yet

It is

36 murders / 15 days


Ent the PNM claimed to have the solution to crime???????:shock:

UNC promised to deal with crime in 120days, yet at 2 weeks you want a change to what has been happening over the last decade.

didnt election night every television station have different results?

Well reveal the source of your 36 number, other than Allan Karim.

Either that or you are a compulsive liar.

[bluefete]

same old set of PNM THIEVES!!!

Boards of WASA, Udecott, HDC, EFCL appointed



Published:
Wednesday, September 23, 2015

The Government today announced the board appointments of four major State-owned companies.

Speaking at a post-Cabinet press briefing, at the Office of the Prime Minister, in St Clair, Communications Minister Maxie Cuffie said the appointees to the boards of the Water and Sewerage Authority (WASA), the Urban Development Corporation of T&T (Udecott), the
Housing Development Authority (HDC) and the Educational Facilities Company Ltd.

Cuffie defended the selection of former managing director of the HDC Noel Garcia to the chair Udecott board. He said the former HDC executive director's role in the controversial Las Alturas Housing Development project in Morvant would not affect his new position.

Garcia is expected to be called as a witness in the ongoing Commission of Enquiry into the project, which was initiated by former administration after it was found that two multi-storey apartment buildings in the project were constructed on shifting land leading to their demolition. Garcia is yet to be summoned by the commission.

"The Udecott matter does not involve the Las Alturas enquiry, that is into the HDC and the construction of apartments there. The enquiry is a fact-finding issue and there are no charges against Mr Garcia. I think he was asked to be a witness and being a witness does not preclude still being on a board," Cuffie said.

Cuffie also said that more State boards will be appointed as soon as appointees under the previous administration tender their resignations.

"Several board members have offered their resignations. There have been cases were resignations have been offered by some members of the board and not the entire board. We go about we are filling those vacancies as they arise," Cuffie said.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09- ... -appointed

HDC lawyers ‘lost all contact with Garcia’
Published on Mar 20, 2015, 9:11 pm AST


Attorneys representing the Housing Development Corporation (HDC) have lost all contact with former HDC managing director Noel Garcia. This was revealed yesterday during the sitting of the commission of enquiry into the Las Alturas housing project at the Caribbean Court of Justice in Port of Spain.


Garcia, who was expected to be called as a witness in the enquiry, is said to be currently residing in Ghana.


Junior counsel for the commission Jagdeo Singh told the commission all attempts by HDC’s legal team to locate Garcia had been unsuccessful. “Every effort has been made thus far to locate Mr Garcia and at some point in time Mr Garcia was in communication with the legal team for the HDC, but he has since ceased all communication with them,” Singh said.


Nelson had said at a previous hearing that Garcia did not appear to be willing to testify in the proceedings.


Chairman of the commission Mustapha Ibrahim noted Garcia’s participation in the enquiry was necessary, as he was a “very important witness”.


He suggested the HDC offer Garcia “conduct money” to secure his participation. (Conduc­t money is money paid to a witness summoned to attend a hearing. It is meant to cover all related expenses, such as meals and hotel accommodation as well as a daily allowance.)


Ibrahim added the commission would also seek the participation of former Urban Develop­ment Corporation (UDeCOTT) executive chairman Calder Hart, who played an integral role in the project before it was handed over to the HDC.


“From what has emerged so far, another important witness who started the ball rolling is Mr Calder Hart,” he said.


The commission was told UDeCOTT’s attorneys were trying to contact Hart via FedEx and were hoping to receive a response soon.


Hart has been living in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA, since resigning from UDeCOTT and leaving the country in 2010.


Ibrahim suggested notices be placed in newspapers both locally and in Fort Lauder­dale, stating Hart is required to be a witness in the enquiry.


He also advised UDeCOTT’s attorneys to use all effort in securing Hart’s presence, and he expressed confidence Hart would oblige.


“When he does come, not if, but when he does come, we will try to accommodate him as best as possible to not unduly keep him here,” Ibrahim said.


Yesterday’s hearing was shortened due to the absence of attorney Justin Phelps, who is representing Geotechnical Associates Ltd in the matter. Nelson was also absent, having returned to England for several days.


The enquiry has been adjourned to April 7, when three foreign experts will be called to give evidence on behalf of the HDC.
















Buildings H and I of the Las Alturas housing project began to fall apart shortly after construction, leading to their eventual demolition in 2012.


The towers cost an estimated $26 million to construct in 2004 under the former People’s National Movement administration.


Last September, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar announced a commission of enquiry into the project.


Retired Appeal Court judge Mustapha Ibrahim is the enquiry’s chairman, with engineers Dr Myron Chin and Anthony Farrell serving as commission members.


Hearings are taking place at the Caribbean Court of Justice building, Henry Street, Port of Spain.http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/HDC ... 99651.html

The sleeper cells which you believed.

For once I agree with UML here.

I am VERY disappointed in these PNM regurgitated bandits for state boards ESPECIALLY Noel Garcia.

You mean to say that there is NO other talent in T&T from which to choose???

Shameful.

[K74T]

[Habit7]

I am VERY disappointed in these PNM regurgitated bandits for state boards ESPECIALLY Noel Garcia.

You mean to say that there is NO other talent in T&T from which to choose???

Shameful.

I might have missed something here. What did Noel Garcia "bandit" specifically?

I can recall him as managing director of HDC during the biggest housing drive the country ever saw. And I know that the CoI wanted him as a witness for Las Alturas which so far shows the contractor at major fault. But be careful following UML, truth is circumstantial to him.

[goalpost]

Same old corrupted PNM, Jobs for the boys & girls, friends and family
"Taking over the chair at the HDC is engineer Newman George, the husband of new Speaker of the House Bridgid Annissette-George."

FEEDING FRENZY!!

#letsdothis
#welikeitso
#whatwemissed
#wevotedforthis

u didn't have problem when Wade Mark was Speaker and his wife was Chairman of TTEC though?

[bluefete]

I am VERY disappointed in these PNM regurgitated bandits for state boards ESPECIALLY Noel Garcia.

You mean to say that there is NO other talent in T&T from which to choose???

Shameful.

I might have missed something here. What did Noel Garcia "bandit" specifically?

I can recall him as managing director of HDC during the biggest housing drive the country ever saw. And I know that the CoI wanted him as a witness for Las Alturas which so far shows the contractor at major fault. But be careful following UML, truth is circumstantial to him.

I know whereof I speaketh!

Allyuh should know me by now.

http://tntmonitornews.blogspot.com/2012 ... -over.html

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-03- ... me-records

And Moonilal said also that more than $700,000 went missing from the Housing Development Corporation (HDC) following two questionable wire transfers. He said this is contained in an internal audit report. He said the dates of the two wire transactions were outside the scope period of the report. Moonilal said the transfers took place within the period June 2007 and November 2008. Moonilal said the transactions were made to the son of former managing director at the HDC, Christian Garcia in the sum of $793,000. Moonilal was reluctant to call the name but on the advice of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar who said it was public funds, he did.


http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2010 ... ria-remain


BTW, Noel Garcia, a long time PNM activist was HDC chairman, his nephew is married to Christine Kangaloo, the former MP for Pointe-a-Pierre. Christine Kangaloo's husband sat on many state boards including Petrotrin and got many legal briefs under the PNM.

http://www.ttonline.org/forum/archive/i ... 10287.html

Housing Policy Imperatives – part 5

This week the examination shifts to the scale of the failure of our national housing policy – see <http://www.vision2020.info.tt/pdf/Policies and Procedures/Strategic_Corporate Plans/Housing Plan.pdf>. Three main points for consideration are –

Meeting the targets
The original target was for the HDC to construct 100,000 new homes in a decade, which figure was generated from the 1994 ‘PADCO reports’—The Review of Shelter and Land Development Policy Study (PADCO reports): The PADCO reports is a series generated by The Planning and Development Collaborative International, Inc. and Laughlin and Associates Limited (who were contracted by the Government of Trinidad and Tobago in 1993)—that study is available at the Ministry of Housing & Environment’s library. The annual target was reduced to 8,000. As noted in the previous article, the reduced targets should have yielded 60,000 new homes by now, but the HDC has built only 15,394 new homes.The HDC made a recent statement that the number of empty new homes was approximately 10,000. So just about 5,000 new homes have been built and distributed since the inception of this ‘accelerated housing programme’ in September 2002. Even if we omit 2002, that is an annual average of 667 new homes being built and distributed. Even with the most optimistic assumptions, one is looking at considerable challenges in achieving these demanding targets. At the current rate of performance it would take over 140 years to satisfy the original target. That is how far off-track this accelerated housing programme has gone. Deep into the long grass.
The Cost-based Pricing model
In previous articles in this series, I have been critical of the HDC’s cost-based approach to pricing its units. In terms of the central mission of the Ministry of Housing – i.e. creation and distribution of housing to the needy – that pricing model is inappropriate. That is because it does not identify either the housing subsidy allocated to successful applicants or the opportunity cost of the HDC’s policies. The value-based approach is the more appropriate model to satisfy those basic requirements. That is because it offers greater clarity to policymakers, since it is based on the market value of the completed homes, with the housing subsidy and the opportunity cost being the difference between the value and the actual HDC selling price. On 21st March 2008, this newspaper carried a report headlined “PM’s son in line for apartment” – see http://legacy.guardian.co.tt/archives/2 ... news8.html – on allegations that Brian Manning, son of the then-PM was in line to receive one of the HDC apartments at Fidelis Heights in St. Augustine. Noel Garcia, the then-MD of the HDC, was reported to have said –

…the Government had taken a decision not to subsidise this particular development. It is being sold at market rates in HDC’s thrust to expand and attract an open market clientele.

Noel Garcia, former MD of HDC. Photo courtesy Trinidad Guardian

Noel Garcia, former MD of HDC. Photo courtesy Trinidad Guardian

Given that the units were reportedly being sold for a maximum of $875,000 and that they were worth a minimum of $1.7M, it is clear that each new home there is sold with at least $800,000 in housing subsidy. The only way Garcia’s incredible statements could be correct is if one were using the misleading cost-based approach.

I entirely agree with his statement that the Fidelis Heights development “…is therefore not part of HDC’s provision of subsidised housing for low-income earners.” It is really subsidised housing for the middle-income groups, but that could never be right when the waiting list is bulging with needy people who cannot even get an HDC unit to rent.

Fidelis Heights was, even by its name, a monument to misleading and wrong-headed thinking. The HDC project with probably the highest level of housing subsidy per unit was built for the least needy on their waiting list. Only if the underlying philosophies and resulting models are appropriate, can we avoid a repetition of this blatant waste of public funds in the face of real, human need.

Given that the HDC is unable to satisfy the needs of the people it was intended to serve – the poorest citizens who cannot afford a proper home – it is scandalous that its scarce resources should have been diverted to Fidelis Heights, or the one at Federation Park in Port-of-Spain.

The selection of this pricing model is proof of misguided policy at the most elementary level. The basic concept of opportunity cost appears to have eluded the responsible officials and, what is more, that misguided policy appears to have been approved at the very highest level.

Wrong-headed thinking can only encourage corrupt behaviour.
Costs
What has the national housing programme cost this country? That is no rhetorical question, since this fact sits at the heart of the analysis. The Housing Development Corporation (HDC) is the State’s implementing agency for production of new housing, it was formed in 2005 by an Act of Parliament and replaced the National Housing Authority (NHA). The HDC’s funding comes from four sources –

Treasury allocations – Those are announced in the budget and can be established from the Estimates of Expenditure as Capital Allocations to the Ministry of Housing.
Sale of new homes – When the HDC sells a new home, that money is also available to them.
Bond Issues – The HDC has also raised money by occasional bond issues; those funds can be used to either build more homes or ‘pay down’ on more expensive loans. The bonds issued are government-guaranteed, so they are considered as virtually risk-free ‘sovereign debt’. Given that the government itself issues bonds at lower rates of interest, it begs the question as to why these SPE’s are allowed to borrow on these terms. That issue was raised by in the BG View of 20th August 2009 – see http://guardian.co.tt/business/business ... discipline.
Bank Financing – The HDC also borrows money from commercial banks or the IADB to fund their construction programme.

Try as I might, it has proven impossible to determine just how much the HDC has spent on building new homes in any given year. That is because there are no accounts at all which are available to the public.

The HDC Act, at section 18 and 19, mandates that the Board shall keep and properly audit accounts. Section 20 requires the Board to submit its annual report to the line Minister within 3 months of the end of the financial year. The line Minister is in turn obliged, by section 20 (2), to lay that report in Parliament within 3 months of receipt. See – http://mphe.gov.tt/home/images/stories/ ... 202005.pdf.

The HDC has never laid either its annual report or audited accounts into Parliament for the public. The failure to publish accounts is one of the most serious warning-signs of companies in financial trouble.

That failure to publish HDC or NHA accounts over such a long period (since 2002 at least) spanning several administrations, is a serious indictment of the main participants – the politicians, the Board Directors and of course, the professionals involved in the entire huge operation.

I have been reliably informed that the HDC’s new management is attempting to rectify this situation and that must be a priority if we are to properly assess the performance of this vital social programme.

The overall picture is stark –

Gross under-performance in terms of the output of new homes, only about one-quarter of the reduced target has been achieved:
Poor financial and project controls – as revealed in the Uff Report (at para 25:30 – see http://www.raymondandpierre.com/articles/article84.htm), not one HDC project has a signed contract:
No accounts or annual reports, given the preceding point, that is not surprising:
An inequitable allocations policy, with lower priority given to those who cannot afford to buy.
Approximately 10,000 new homes remain empty and that is the one which tops them all. The ongoing adverse consequences include – vandalism, the greater rate of general deterioration afflicting empty homes, the high cost of security and of course, the continued pressure on those people on the waiting list ‘holding strain’.

Given the combined effect of all this, which is probably hidden to most of today’s readers, one can only wonder at the patience of our needy citizens.

The entire situation also raises potent questions about the purpose and performance of the SPEs.
SIDEBAR: The concept and importance of opportunity cost and housing subsidy

Let’s use a typical home at Fidelis Heights as an example.
Unit Cost – $825,000 (and it is not clear if land and professional fees were included)
Selling Price – $825,000
Market Value – $1.7M

In the prevailing cost-based pricing model, this is considered a satisfactory, ‘zero-subsidy’ result, since the State has recovered all of its costs. Another phrase in the lexicon is the ‘cost-recovery’ model of pricing.

The danger, as shown in the example in this article, is that the ‘cost-based’/’cost-recovery’ model ignores opportunity cost.

The opportunity cost is the difference between the actual selling price of the unit and the market value. The HDC could sell each Fidelis Heights home for $1.7M, but has made the decision to sell at a reduced price of $825,000, which means that each sale is at the loss of those possible earnings. That amount of the loss incurred by the decision to sell at a lower price is called the opportunity cost. It is important that opportunity cost be identified and quantified as an element in all decision-making, both private and public sector. A decision-making process which ignores or obscures opportunity cost is negligent at the very least and can encourage corrupt practices and the dilution of capital.

In this example, the opportunity cost is $1,700,000 – $825,000 = $875,000.
Opportunity cost

$875,000 is enough money to build at least three modest homes, yet this system has allocated that much money to each Fidelis Heights purchaser, each of whom qualified for a mortgage at that level.

As a result of this questionable choice and the resultant shaky pricing model, there is an enormous ‘leakage’ of housing subsidy and opportunity cost.

The opportunity cost can also be described as the housing subsidy since that is the difference between what a Fidelis Heights unit actually sold for and what a purchaser in the open market would have to pay for a similar unit.
The two terms are therefore synonymous – Opportunity Cost is exactly equal to Housing Subsidy.

https://afraraymond.wordpress.com/2010/ ... 93-part-5/

http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2009 ... mance-must

[Redman]

The truth is that we can't win the war on crime.

We sit between the suppliers and the demand for cocaine.

We are a narco economy..dependent on the financial benefits of transshipment and laundering

The PPs major failure is as EmilioaA indicated discontinuing programs because they were"PNM " and not replacing them...why did it take 5 years to replace the OpV s?

maybe just maybe there was a legal battle which didnt take one day

maybe just maybe they had to wait more than the next day for the money they won

maybe just maybe they took the money they won to pay for the new boats

maybe just maybe it would take more than one day to build boats

maybe just maybe government procedures are bureaucratic in nature and take longer than one day

maybe just maybe the PNM sleeper cells were prolonging the procedure even further for political points taking longer than one day


you really have to be "special" to be a PNM

And one would have to be an idiot to believe the above....
Not to state the obvious.

[Habit7]

Great, I fail to see where he "bandit" anything. Dr. Moonilal forced to defend shopping Toppin drag the man's name in the mud. Garcia accounted for any money that he had oversight for and called on Moonilal to bring evidence of his claims. That was almost 4 years ago.

To find someone more credible than UML you offer Dr. Moonilal? Try again bluefete.

Garcia on Moonilal’s claim of credit card debt: Show me the records

Gail Alexander
Published: Friday, March 30, 2012

“Produce the credit card records!” That’s the challenge to Government from former PNM Housing Development Corporation (HDC) managing director Noel Garcia. Garcia yesterday denied Housing Minister Roodal Moonilal’s claim that he still owed the Government $500,000 on a Government credit card. Moonilal stated that in the House of Representatives on Wednesday, claiming the debt dated back to a period when Opposition Leader Keith Rowley was Housing Minister. When Rowley asked Moonilal what the Government was doing to get the $500,000 back, Moonilal said: “That is a matter which will be before the court shortly, to which you may well be named.” Yesterday, speaking during a break in a board meeting in Ghana, where he is a business consultant, Garcia said he had read Moonilal’s statement in the online editions of the T&T’s daily newspapers.

Garcia added: “I wish to categorically deny the allegation. During my tenure as managing director of the HDC, no member of the board of directors or management was in possession of an HDC credit card. “Dr Moonilal must produce the so-called credit card concerning me which he is talking about. He must also produce the relevant credit card statement or the HDC board resolution and evidence that $500,000 was overdrawn in my name with such an HDC credit card.” Garcia said in 2007 the board of the HDC had approved a $141,000 loan he had requested to pay for medical treatment in London for his son, who was gravely ill. That loan, he said, was fully repaid, via salary deductions, which could be easily verified by looking at his payslips and the HDC’s financial records.

He added: “If Dr Moonilal had checked the HDC’s records he would have seen that there was no board resolution for the issue of any Government credit cards. “Indeed, there are no credit card statements, as the alleged credit card did not exist “Dr Moonilal would have realised that the question of HDC personnel having Government credit cards was a fabrication without any iota of truth.” Garcia said Moonilal’s statement had had the effect of “damaging my professional and business relationships in West Africa, traumatising my family and bringing me into public disrepute and odium. “ In the circumstances Garcia said he intended at the earliest opportunity to approach the Speaker of the House of Representatives to have the records corrected. Garcia said he was in Trinidad two weeks ago to give evidence at a civil court matter involving the HDC, but no one from HDC had mentioned the credit card claim to him.

He said the HDC paid his airfare from West Africa for him to attend the court. On Moonilal’s statement that the matter might soon be in court, Garcia said he also was investigating legal action in London against the Government, since Moonilal’s statements on the matter were carried on the Internet. Garcia said the international report also had damaged his professional reputation with a Swiss-based company with which he also did business. PNM public relations officer Faris al-Rawi held a media conference yesterday at the Opposition Leader’s office on Charles Street, Port-of-Spain, at which he repeated Garcia’s denial of Moonilal’s allegations.



http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-03- ... me-records

[UML]

Speaking of compulsive liar...

30 killed since polls
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09- ... lled-polls

Yet

It is

36 murders / 15 days


Ent the PNM claimed to have the solution to crime???????:shock:

UNC promised to deal with crime in 120days, yet at 2 weeks you want a change to what has been happening over the last decade.

didnt election night every television station have different results?






The PNM said they had ALL the SOLUTIONS and spread MISINFORMATION AND PROPAGANDA OF DOOM AND GLOOM

then this...

PM ROWLEY admits that the sky isnt falling and things are not as bad as they seem.....AFTER he told the nation otherwise BEFORE elections.

#compulsiveliar
#chickenlicking

C News yuh compulsive liar!!!! PR Officer Habit7 say is ONLY 300!!!

[Habit7]

It operating like this until they install the diesel tanks or push in the plug for the sewage plant (the person exaggerating and has a political agenda so you can't put that past them because they never said why it was not "operational")

They makeup things like EMAILGATE AND FAKE CHEQUES

[UML]

PM ROWLEY admits that the sky isnt falling and things are not as bad as they seem.....AFTER he told the nation otherwise BEFORE elections.

#compulsiveliar
#chickenlicking

DOOM AND GLOOM
pre-September 7th



NO doom and gloom. Country nice
post-September 7th

[UML]

Minister of Security ADMITS "there is a REEMERGENCE in KIDNAPPINGS."


I WONDER WHY?!!!

KIDNAPPINGS HAVE REMERGED *
Security Minister:

Published on Sep 24, 2015, 9:52 pm AST
By Joel Julien
joel.julien@trinidadexpress.com


PORT OF SPAIN



A re-emergence of kidnappings is taking place in this country, National Security Minister Edmund Dillon has said.

Dillon made the statement while talking to members of the media following a day of prayer and thanksgiving held at the Queen's Park Savannah yesterday.

Dillon was approached yesterday for a comment on the recent trend of missing women in the country.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150924 ... e-remerged

Go figure.

[wagonrunner]

UML, Did the year 2015 start:
a) after the PNM was elected 17 days ago
b) or January 1st, to include the 249 days the UNC was still in power?

[Morpheus]

wagonrunner please take your common sense somewhere else. Ktnxbai.....

[UML]

Same old corrupted PNM, Jobs for the boys & girls, friends and family
"Taking over the chair at the HDC is engineer Newman George, the husband of new Speaker of the House Bridgid Annissette-George."

FEEDING FRENZY!!

#letsdothis
#welikeitso
#whatwemissed
#wevotedforthis

u didn't have problem when Wade Mark was Speaker and his wife was Chairman of TTEC though?

"We voted them out. They are not in government"

[UML]

UML, Did the year 2015 start:
a) after the PNM was elected 17 days ago
b) or January 1st, to include the 249 days the UNC was still in power?

As of September 7th it was 291......According to Habit7 article
......it should be 32 murders in 17 days :shock::shock:


Honestly I think this government will return murders to the 500 mark

[wagonrunner]

UML, Did the year 2015 start:
a) after the PNM was elected 17 days ago
b) or January 1st, to include the 249 days the UNC was still in power?

According to Habit7 article it should be 32 murders in 17 days :shock::shock:

shock at 32, but fine with the other 291.

[UML]

UML, Did the year 2015 start:
a) after the PNM was elected 17 days ago
b) or January 1st, to include the 249 days the UNC was still in power?

According to Habit7 article it should be 32 murders in 17 days :shock::shock:

shock at 32, but fine with the other 291.

291 murders in approximately 247 days

[Morpheus]

I can't believe you taking comfort in those murder figures. They are both high no matter how you blindly perceive it.......

[shogun]

Honestly I hope this government will return murders to the 500 mark

Translated.

[UML]

I can't believe you taking comfort in those murder figures. They are both high no matter how you blindly perceive it.......

Where did I say that????

I still waiting on u to quote me on something u said I said. You find it yet?!!!

Looks like it is common practise by you.

[UML]

Honestly I hope this government will return murders to the 500 mark

Translated.

Mind reader Curly Sue

Yuh ever find him?

[shogun]

Nerve damage detected.