Cheap and smelly leg and thigh chicken quarters

[Country_Bookie]

It usually takes 6-8 weeks from chick stage to slaughter stage for chickens. With that unnatural growth, there has to be something being done to make them grow so fast. Last time I was around poultry farms was early 90's and I remember they using a booster which they added to the water in the pen.

[SR]

Dem tyson leg and thigh not expired but does taste like sheit needs heavy seasoning. Pieces only good to bake size is too big for frying or even worse bbq. American chicken tastes funny compared to our local and requires washing a few times to get rid of the slime.....americans dont wash thier chicken meat like we do in the caribbean.

[meccalli]

If you guys looked at my post, I mentioned Cornish cross. It's not necessarily additives and injection more than it is genetic manipulation to produce high yielding breeds that are efficient converters of feed into meat. Cornish x White rock which are the standard chicken breed in the US gets to 4.5 lbs in 6 weeks and 9.5 lbs in 11. It's the result of genetic manipulation of both breeds parental lines and thus the product was extensively developed for the poultry industry.

^ I shallow pan fry those big quarters from pricesmart, it's a matter of temperature control throughout the process.

[JF.K]

Wondering why these huge pieces of meat so much cheaper?
See what you all think about this story:

"Trinis Eating Pet Meat"

There is the possibility that chicken considered in developing countries to be ‘pet meat’ is being sold on supermarket shelves in Trinidad and Tobago.

Speaking during the Joint Select Committee meeting on Finance and Legal Affairs on the second inquiry into food fraud Robin Phillips, President of the Trinidad and Tobago Poultry Association, said in developed countries like the United States the shelf life of chicken is 180 days from the date of slaughter, however that policy is not enforced locally.

With the recent closure of China and Russia to markets of US chicken, Phillips explained that a glut in the market has ensued, pushing prices down for chicken pieces, particularly which have exceeded the 180-day limit and cannot be sold in the US.

“When that product is approaching or has exceeded the 180 days, there is further discounting taking place.”

“One importer indicated that he got leg quarters for between US 18 and 20 cents a pound. It comes down here, and makes that product very inexpensive.”

“As of now, since the beginning of this year there is a massive glut of chicken in the US as a result of China closing their borders, resulting in big discounts.”

Phillips said consumers may be eating what amounts to ‘pet meat’ by US standards.


“In the United States, if it reaches 180 days they cannot get an export market that is willing to accept it, where they don’t have that standard implemented, and it is then sent to the pet food industry.”

“Our consumers should not be eating chicken that is deemed unfit for human consumption in the developed world.”

“That is what our consumers are exposed to right now.”

“If they could get a higher price outside, like Trinidad and Tobago, they take the higher price. So instead of selling it to the pet food market for five or 10 cents they selling it to Trinidad and Tobago for 20 cents.”

Phillips said the Association is in the process of approving poultry standards which he says is in the drafting stage.

The Poultry Association head made reference to a case where chicken arrived in Guyana with the label ‘pet meat’ stamped on the box.

“The Guyanese were wise enough to dump it into the sea,” he said.

Phillips said that the present price of chicken leg parts and other parts are currently as low as US$0.20 per pound.

Committee Vice Chairman Michael Coppin read out a number of other offences reported by the Association such as:
•The thawing of imported frozen products being sold as fresh, chilled products and
•Mixing thawed foreign products with domestic fresh chilled products, and marketing as fully local fresh chilled products

http://www.looptt.com/content/trinis-eating-pet-meat

[pugboy]

there certainly is a different taste but surely it's the same chicken more or less that trini's eat(without complaints) when visiting north america

in true trini style the masses have been led to believe that taste and expired/quality/spoilage are one and the same

I know somebody who used to do capon chickens(castrated males)
he said it was easy to get a bird to 15lbs

[viedcht]

Boy alyuh say cheap? I use to buy Tyson in S****house / PaP rd. Xmas was $100. Now is $150. It raise 4 time since January. Is every lil roti shop to chinee restaurant to them foodcourts in most malls using these leg quarters flooding de market. True it tasting like shtt if you don't prepare it good but I was buying coz it lasting me ah 3wks for me and mih 3 dogs. Switch back to mih local 3-for-$120 at the depot. That and some ah them fish fillets from p.mart and i good.

[JF.K]

If you guys looked at my post, I mentioned Cornish cross. It's not necessarily additives and injection more than it is genetic manipulation to produce high yielding breeds that are efficient converters of feed into meat. Cornish x White rock which are the standard chicken breed in the US gets to 4.5 lbs in 6 weeks and 9.5 lbs in 11. It's the result of genetic manipulation of both breeds parental lines and thus the product was extensively developed for the poultry industry.

An Article on Tyson from 2010:

Antibiotics in farming: has Tyson Foods shot itself in the foot?

Tyson Foods’ recent agreement to settle a lawsuit for falsely advertising its “raised without antibiotics” chicken brand has received limited media coverage – no doubt to the relief of the company’s boardroom. And with an annual turnover of nearly $27 billion, they probably won’t sweat too much over the $5 million that the company must now shell out as compensation to unhappy customers.

In falsely marketing its chicken meat as produced from birds “raised without antibiotics” while still feeding them antibiotics, Tyson Foods was shamelessly exploiting the growing public concern over the excessive use of antibiotics in industrial farming, particularly in the form of non-therapeutic growth promoters.

But while the intensive meat industry continues to vigorously oppose any attempts to reduce antibiotic use in farming, the irony is that Tyson Foods may well have inadvertently shot itself in the foot by publicly admitting that the overuse of certain antibiotics in industrial farming really is a threat to human health.


Antibiotic resistant bacteria

The practice of feeding farm animals low doses of antibiotics in food and water began back in the 1950s, and has since become standard practice. Nowadays, virtually all intensively farmed animals will receive low levels of antibiotics in their feed, water or by injection throughout their lives as so called “growth promoters” to help maximize production and minimize costs. This approach allows today’s intensive poultry farmers, for example, to keep tens of thousands of chickens indoors in an unnatural state of false health, whereby the low-level antibiotics suppress key diseases which would otherwise spread like wildfire in such close-confined and all too often unsanitary environments. Sound too good to be true? Well, it is.

Mounting scientific evidence now suggests that Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs) are a breeding ground for diseases that pose a real threat to human health. Indeed, the routine low-level, non-therapeutic use of antibiotics as growth promoters to suppress diseases – rather than as a therapeutic treatment for outright cure – is leading to the development and proliferation of antibiotic-resistant bacteria in the animal and human population.

Key antibiotic-resistant bacteria are now starting to hit humans hard, with various emerging resistant strains of E. coli, salmonella and MRSA, to name just a few. The US Center for Disease Dynamics, Economics & Policy claims that MRSA (methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus) infections are up more than 50% since 1987, while some estimate that antibiotic resistant infections are increasing healthcare costs by $4-5 billion a year. It is clear that antibiotic resistant disease represents a ticking time bomb for human health – and people are finally waking up to this fact.


False marketing

In a rather cynical attempt to capitalize on this growing public concern, in 2007, Tyson Foods began marketing its chicken as “raised without antibiotics” after first gaining approval from the USDA to do so. But the problem was that Tyson Foods wasn’t telling the USDA the whole story; after finding out that the company was still including ionophores in its poultry feed, the USDA quickly revoked its decision.

Classified by the USDA as antibiotics, ionophores are a group of animal medicines commonly added to industrial poultry feed to help prevent coccidiosis, an intestinal parasite. Ionophores are just one of several groups of antibiotics that are used by the major industrial farming businesses; the problem is that many are also vital for treating disease in humans.

Initially, Tyson’s legal team tried to argue that ionophores weren’t officially classified as antibiotics, but the USDA quickly reaffirmed that they were and that Tyson must therefore stop selling its chicken as “raised without antibiotics.”

Tyson approached the USDA again, this time arguing that because ionophores were not actually used in human medicine, their use in farming could not lead to the possible emergence of diseases with antibiotic resistance to important human drugs. On this basis, Tyson said that they were willing to compromise and would modify their labels to state “chicken raised without antibiotics that impact antibiotic resistance in humans.” But it never got that far; once Tyson’s key competitors got wind of the issue, they filed a class-action lawsuit alleging that Tyson Foods’ labeling ideas constituted false advertising. In June 2008, Tyson Foods voluntarily withdrew the label entirely, and finally settled the case in early 2010.


Tyson backfires

But while many journalists will simply dismiss this whole episode as yet another damning indictment of our troubled food and farming systems, this story might not end there: for Tyson Foods has inadvertently shot itself – and the industrial food lobby – in the foot.

By modifying its label from “chicken raised without antibiotics” to “chicken raised without antibiotics that impact antibiotic resistance in humans,” Tyson Foods is implicitly admitting that the non-ionophore antibiotics used in industrial farming “impact antibiotic resistance in humans.”......


Industry opposition

So why does the US industrial farming industry – including the American Farm Bureau, American Meat Institute and the National Pork Producers Council – still have such an issue with recent proposals which seek only to reduce the (mis)use of antibiotics in agriculture and preserve these tools which are so vital for the protection of human health?

Well, the sad truth is that intensive farming operations have knowingly profited from the misuse of medically important antibiotics for years, at the expense of human health and animal welfare. How else can you explain their dogged opposition to the introduction of simple safeguards that would help to prevent the emergence of antibiotic resistant strains of life-threatening diseases, such as E. coli and MRSA?

In 2008, after a lengthy independent investigation to assess the farm animal industry’s impact on the public’s health, the environment, farm communities and animal welfare, the Pew Commission on Industrial Farm Animal Production called for stricter regulation of antibiotic use in large-scale animal operations, stating that “the present system of producing food animals in the United States is not sustainable and presents an unacceptable level of risk to public health.” Without any real research its calls were refuted by the industrial farming lobby, which claimed that limiting antibiotic use would threaten animal health and welfare and increase the risk of food-borne disease.


PAMTA – a step in the right direction

Similarly, the recent proposal to introduce the Preservation of Antibiotics for Medical Treatment Act (PAMTA) is at risk of being derailed by the intensive farming lobby – despite the fact that the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the National Association of County and City Health Departments and hundreds of other health, consumer, environmental, agricultural, and humane organizations all support the legislation.

PAMTA would still allow therapeutic use of antibiotics to treat sick animals, but would prohibit the non-therapeutic feeding of medically important antibiotics to livestock, as well as require any antibiotics that are destined for non-therapeutic livestock use to undergo safety tests to ensure that they will not harm human health due to antibiotic resistance. Surely this is just plain commonsense?

Yet the industrial farming lobby – and even the usually very enlightened American Veterinary Medical Association – is forcefully opposing PAMTA, claiming that animal health and welfare would suffer and food-borne diseases would increase. Again, as far as I am aware, I’m not hearing regular reports of mass public food poisoning incidents from countries which have banned non-therapeutic use of antibiotics.


We’re already doing it – naturally

The truth is that farmers don’t need to use non-therapeutic antibiotic treatments in order to keep their animals healthy and productive. Just like farmers in other countries, thousands of farmers across the USA – including Animal Welfare Approved farmers – already rear their livestock without ongoing reliance on non-therapeutic antibiotics.

AWA farmers maintain herd health through vaccination, pasture management, exceptional hygiene, and the reduction of stress which weakens animal immune systems. Of course, if an animal is sick and needs medical treatment AWA standards allow the use of antibiotics, where appropriate. It’s just plain old reasonable farming; nothing more, nothing less.

Despite its continued opposition to PAMTA and the Pew Commission, Tyson Foods has now openly admitted that some antibiotics used in agriculture risk creating “antibiotic resistance in humans.” We also know from experience here and in Europe that we can farm successfully without reliance on these growth promoters. We cannot afford to allow industrial farming to carry on misusing antibiotics for profit, at the expense of public health and animal welfare. It is time that we stop using antibiotics to prop up unsustainable and poor welfare farming systems, and instead do everything we can to ensure that these remarkable medicinal tools remain as effective as possible for treating killer human diseases. The alternative is simply unthinkable.

http://animalwelfareapproved.org/2010/0 ... -the-foot/

Four Years Later... Article from 2014:

Tyson to phase out antibiotics in chicken

Tyson Foods on Tuesday became the latest chicken company to begin phasing out antibiotics amid concerns that they are overused and could be putting humans at risk.

The poultry and meat company is working to eliminate human antibiotics from its chickens over the next two years, saying it wants to do its part to slow the rise of antibiotic-resistant infections in humans.

"We don't have all the answers," said Christine Daugherty, head of sustainable food production at Tyson, in a statement. "But we want to make sure that antibiotics continue to work."

David Plunkett, a food safety expert at the Center for Science in the Public Interest, welcomed the move but called for an outright ban on antibiotic use in agriculture.

"These are antibiotics that we want to have effective for human health and not creating resistance," he said. "It's simply unsustainable for us to waste critically important antibiotics on things like growth promotion."

Plunkett said poultry farmers have used antibiotics to help keep healthy chickens that are raised in crowded and unsanitary conditions.

McDonald's (MCD) recently said it will only use chicken raised without certain types of antibiotics. Tyson supplies much of the chicken used in McNuggets. And Chipotle Mexican Grill (CMG) announced plans to remove all genetically modified ingredients in its food.

Other poultry producers have been taking steps to curb antibiotic use. Perdue Farms says 95% of its chickens are never given antibiotics, while Pilgrim's Pride (PPC) is also scaling back its use of the medicine.

Tyson (TSN) has already begun reducing antibiotic use in its "broiler" chickens, which are raised for meat. Under the plans announced Tuesday, Tyson said it will phase out antibiotics in its chicken flock by 2017 (one can only hope).

The company also said it plans to work with its suppliers to reduce antibiotic use in cattle, hogs and turkeys.

The Arkansas-based company is one of the largest producers of chicken, beef and pork products. It owns brand names such as Jimmy Dean, Hillshire Farms and Sara Lee.


CNNMoney (New York)
First published April 28, 2015: 8:12 AM ET

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/28/news/ty ... ntibiotic/

[meccalli]

Antibiotics and a particular brand has nothing to do with producing a large bird that's genetically inclined to high body mass. I have family from woodbrook that raised some cornish cross on roti and bread and it's toes are thicker than my fingers. They're not pumping it with hormones or antibiotics. That's not in the interest of size. Antibiotics are used for the wellbeing of the produce and consumers in an environment conducive to easy transmission in intensive operations. It's the safety net to ensure you the consumer doesn't end up with chicken contaminated with virulent staph, salmonella or e-coli. Don't let food movements fool you, no large scale produce is taking the risk of introducing untreated chicks and taking massive losses to disease. Those so called non antibiotic birds are cycled in the pens of treated birds and pick up the benefits through pecking the litter.

[Gladiator]

Antibiotics and a particular brand has nothing to do with producing a large bird that's genetically inclined to high body mass. I have family from woodbrook that raised some cornish cross on roti and bread and it's toes are thicker than my fingers. They're not pumping it with hormones or antibiotics. That's not in the interest of size. Antibiotics are used for the wellbeing of the produce and consumers in an environment conducive to easy transmission in intensive operations. It's the safety net to ensure you the consumer doesn't end up with chicken contaminated with virulent staph, salmonella or e-coli. Don't let food movements fool you, no large scale produce is taking the risk of introducing untreated chicks and taking massive losses to disease. Those so called non antibiotic birds are cycled in the pens of treated birds and pick up the benefits through pecking the litter.

You are correct, I have an uncle that has white fowl in his yard and they get so big (10 lbs and more) till their feet cannot carry their weight. They feed on stale bread and leftover rice and roti etc... no hormones. They reach that size in 3 months or so...

The local poultry cartel will do anything to mislead the public and monopolize the local market. Once you remove the foreign competition, all the money in their hands. If they side with the politicians, they get a new party financier in the making. WIN WIN for big business and politicians.... the people loose as usual!!!

[Lance]

I've listened to the case put forward by robin and Poultry association but didn't notice if they were able to provide any solid evidence to support their claim.

Seems like just assertions to me. Let's see if this is what it takes to sway policy.

[rspann]

Notice how much " it is possible" and " likely" and words like that he used. Once that seed is sown in people's mind, the sales will drop. Who really keeping chicken for five years in cold storage to sell it for five cents a pound ? What condition will it be in then?

[xtech]

Took these pics out in a small grocery down Palo Seco this morning. Note day chickens died an was processed....Plus expire dates

[cherrypopper]

^^Yuh safe there ..as with anything in a super market one must watch the expiry dates. .

Why don't they check on pricemart...

Most things in the freezer always going to expire in two weeks etc

12 pack of yogurt in pricemart always have 2 weeks shelf life. ..check it out. .these companies getting stock next to nothing because they going to expire soon.

[SR]

The poultry industry in trinidad is a heavily guarded cartel.....trinidad is one of the highest consumers of poultry in the world. Kfc ind sq has the highest sales in the world. Anyone locally trying to get into the poultry buisness is usually strongarmed out of it by the cartel.

[Redman]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
every business.

[dogg]

errr
Yogurt has a shelf life of 2-3 weeks.
Find a good example to back up your theory.

^^Yuh safe there ..as with anything in a super market one must watch the expiry dates. .

Why don't they check on pricemart...

Most things in the freezer always going to expire in two weeks etc

12 pack of yogurt in pricemart always have 2 weeks shelf life. ..check it out. .these companies getting stock next to nothing because they going to expire soon.

[pugboy]

any longstanding cartel based mulitimillion dollar industry finding itself under competition with products 20-30% cheaper
will do something to fight the competition, fibs included

[Gladiator]

^^Yuh safe there ..as with anything in a super market one must watch the expiry dates. .

Why don't they check on pricemart...

Most things in the freezer always going to expire in two weeks etc

12 pack of yogurt in pricemart always have 2 weeks shelf life. ..check it out. .these companies getting stock next to nothing because they going to expire soon.

Pricesmart standards are usually much higher than the local supermarkets... All Yogurt has a shelf life of about 3 weeks no matter where you buy it.

I remember once shopping at a huge grocery in the east and there was a cashier that would tell me not to take certain items when I go to cash. The second time she did so I asked her why, she said dont tell anyone, but the grocery does not pay for refrigerated containers and have the dry goods stored in normal conditions even though they supposed to be stored at certain temperatures.

Compare them to Pricesmart, you can see all the refrigerated containers in their parking lot and they have to adhere to international standards because of their foreign base.

[cherrypopper]

Okay the yogurt is just one example ...

[JF.K]

Antibiotics and a particular brand has nothing to do with producing a large bird that's genetically inclined to high body mass. I have family from woodbrook that raised some cornish cross on roti and bread and it's toes are thicker than my fingers. They're not pumping it with hormones or antibiotics. That's not in the interest of size. Antibiotics are used for the wellbeing of the produce and consumers in an environment conducive to easy transmission in intensive operations. It's the safety net to ensure you the consumer doesn't end up with chicken contaminated with virulent staph, salmonella or e-coli. Don't let food movements fool you, no large scale produce is taking the risk of introducing untreated chicks and taking massive losses to disease. Those so called non antibiotic birds are cycled in the pens of treated birds and pick up the benefits through pecking the litter.

Well I was particularly making reference to Tyson since that particular Leg and Thigh box was being talked about and is presently flooding the market as well.
Also because of my personal experience with this same meat from Tyson.

I quoted those articles (one from CNN), where Tyson admitted that the antibiotics are being used to "prevent" diseases and is also being used as a growth stimulant...

They admitted to this in several articles on the net, posted by various journalists and health websites.

If these "antibiotics/growth stimulants" were not a major issue then the FDA would not have issued a ban on it.

Pumping antibiotics/growth hormones into any animal before they get a disease is creating the bacteria that is immune to antibiotics. This is the issue.
They are injecting the antibiotics into every single egg.

We as humans should probably start taking antibiotics like multi vitamins to "prevent" diseases if nothing wrong with that.

You can't compare any chicken growing up in a yard to those commercial factory chickens. Yard fowls don't only eat what you feed them. They would eat anything else that they scrape from the surroundings to make themselves stay healthy.

Many chickens can grow to be very large... I had some Rhode Islands that were real huge. While mine would have taken a certain amount of time to reach that size factory chickens take a fraction of that.
Since they also live in the worse conditions, cramped for space surrounded by high concentrations of bacteria with no fresh air etc they are likely to become sick. So the giants (eg. Tyson) pump the eggs with "preventative anibiotics" which has growth stimulants in them as a 'bonus'.

Both things have negative effects on humans and that evidence is all over the net. Hence the reason why people encouraging others to by from smaller farmers who do their own hatching/rearing.

My case is just to show that growth simulants are being used by these large companies because you initially stated that it is not used and it is the chicken's genetics.

Wait nah...
Like you are one the people selling Tyson Leg & Thighs here or wat?
LOL

[hondablood]

Anyone knows a link to purchase cornish cross chicks

[JF.K]

I remember once shopping at a huge grocery in the east and there was a cashier that would tell me not to take certain items when I go to cash. The second time she did so I asked her why, she said dont tell anyone, but the grocery does not pay for refrigerated containers and have the dry goods stored in normal conditions even though they supposed to be stored at certain temperatures.

Compare them to Pricesmart, you can see all the refrigerated containers in their parking lot and they have to adhere to international standards because of their foreign base.

As you talk about that I remember seeing this sometime back...




May not be too much of an issue but I was wondering a few things about what those eggs might be going thorugh...
* The sun was blazing hot (needed the AC on max)
* How long it took them to pack the truck
* How far the truck was coming from
* The length of time we spent in traffic
* Where it was going... like Tobago maybe.
* If the guy stopped off anywhere on his journey (for ah 2 beer etc)
* Off Loading time

[Gladiator]

I remember once shopping at a huge grocery in the east and there was a cashier that would tell me not to take certain items when I go to cash. The second time she did so I asked her why, she said dont tell anyone, but the grocery does not pay for refrigerated containers and have the dry goods stored in normal conditions even though they supposed to be stored at certain temperatures.

Compare them to Pricesmart, you can see all the refrigerated containers in their parking lot and they have to adhere to international standards because of their foreign base.

As you talk about that I remember seeing this sometime back...




May not be too much of an issue but I was wondering a few things about what those eggs might be going thorugh...
* The sun was blazing hot (needed the AC on max)
* How long it took them to pack the truck
* How far the truck was coming from
* The length of time we spent in traffic
* Where it was going... like Tobago maybe.
* If the guy stopped off anywhere on his journey (for ah 2 beer etc)
* Off Loading time

WOW... this reminds me of a time I saw a flatbed loaded with "local" chicken in Curepe being offloaded at a grocery. The entire load was just covered with a tarp. The ground where the truck was parked was covered in blood. Looked like a scene from the walking dead...

The sad thing is that our politicians would only look to enforce a law or implement a standard when they have something to gain politically or monetarily from it. They would never do these things for the general good and safety of the public.

[meccalli]

My case is just to show that growth simulants are being used by these large companies because you initially stated that it is not used and it is the chicken's genetics.

Wait nah...
Like you are one the people selling Tyson Leg & Thighs here or wat?
LOL

I wish.
I'm simply stating facts. I don't think you realise how the terminology of administered antibiotics to poultry came to be known as growth promoters. It's as simple as birds with healthy digested systems grow faster than affected ones. Gains in growth rate was noted when antibiotics were used and the term stuck. If you want to believe that antibiotics has a greater net effect on production compared to genetic potential, there's nothing more I nor anyone else can say to you without throwing away basic biology. Older strains of Cornish grew to the point where their feet couldn't support their bodyweight, incapacitating them. Selective breeding lead to what I described as dense bone structure and robust feet that can support 20 lb + male birds now. Antibiotics didn't make their feet get bigger and stronger. Assigned veterinarians are also the ones making the decisions regarding the proportions for the intake not farmers using an arbitrary amount. I really didn't want to respond to the claims of bacterial resistance in humans because of the absurdity of the claim. Until you can definitively determine that human antibiotics are being used in poultry production, the claim is bogus. What's causing bacterial resistance in humans are doctors throwing the cabinet full of drugs at you every time you get so much as scratched. You can decide to not vaccinate your kids and not eat mass produced chicken. All about personal choices based on personal convictions.
http://www.beefissuesquarterly.com/beef ... px?id=4093

[jackal]

What I understand about the leg and thigh is that in the US, the prime meat is the breast and the wings, the rest, leg and thigh (l & T) and back is stored/sold. The profit is in the breast meat. China used to buy the L&T, now they don't.

The L&T are usually sold at approximately 17Ct usd per lb when fresh, due to slow sale, the majority is kept in storage for as long as 3 years, where by law they cannot sell it as food to consumers.

There are wholesaler in T&T that are importing the L&T and purchasing it as pet meat, after the three years in the US it can be sold as pet meat. On the documents in T&T it is billed as pet meat, it is bought a low as 5cts usd per lb.

Guess what ? That meat is what ends up on your food plate.

While there are legitimate suppliers, there are also the ones that are not.

I have stopped buying Chinese food and most food outside because of this.

In my personal view, the safest food to eat outside the home is KFC and Royal Castle, not the healthiest but the safest.

I know that this note will stir a lot of concerns, because a lot of the people will feel offended by the contents.

[Gladiator]

What I understand about the leg and thigh is that in the US, the prime meat is the breast and the wings, the rest, leg and thigh (l & T) and back is stored/sold. The profit is in the breast meat. China used to buy the L&T, now they don't.

The L&T are usually sold at approximately 17Ct usd per lb when fresh, due to slow sale, the majority is kept in storage for as long as 3 years, where by law they cannot sell it as food to consumers.

There are wholesaler in T&T that are importing the L&T and purchasing it as pet meat, after the three years in the US it can be sold as pet meat. On the documents in T&T it is billed as pet meat, it is bought a low as 5cts usd per lb.

Guess what ? That meat is what ends up on your food plate.

While there are legitimate suppliers, there are also the ones that are not.

I have stopped buying Chinese food and most food outside because of this.

In my personal view, the safest food to eat outside the home is KFC and Royal Castle, not the healthiest but the safest.

I know that this note will stir a lot of concerns, because a lot of the people will feel offended by the contents.

Any proof or documentation to add credibility to your claims would be much appreciated...

[JF.K]

I really didn't want to respond to the claims of bacterial resistance in humans because of the absurdity of the claim. Until you can definitively determine that human antibiotics are being used in poultry production, the claim is bogus. What's causing bacterial resistance in humans are doctors throwing the cabinet full of drugs at you every time you get so much as scratched.

I just want to say that I never made a "claim" about bacterial resistance in humans...
I was saying that it was creating bacteria that was resistant to antibiotics (in general).
Which should make sense since they were "injecting all eggs" before any signs of disease.
This is not something that I sat down and came up with btw.. none of the things I mentioned were based on my own knowledge I was only using what Tyson themselves were saying and what other health, medical and news websites were reporting.

Clearly you have alot of knowledge on this topic and probably all the websites and news reports are wrong but I brought the argument because it makes you wonder if we should chance it...
Especially since other small local produce exist.

Good talk though.

[jackal]

What I understand about the leg and thigh is that in the US, the prime meat is the breast and the wings, the rest, leg and thigh (l & T) and back is stored/sold. The profit is in the breast meat. China used to buy the L&T, now they don't.

The L&T are usually sold at approximately 17Ct usd per lb when fresh, due to slow sale, the majority is kept in storage for as long as 3 years, where by law they cannot sell it as food to consumers.

There are wholesaler in T&T that are importing the L&T and purchasing it as pet meat, after the three years in the US it can be sold as pet meat. On the documents in T&T it is billed as pet meat, it is bought a low as 5cts usd per lb.

Guess what ? That meat is what ends up on your food plate.

While there are legitimate suppliers, there are also the ones that are not.

I have stopped buying Chinese food and most food outside because of this.

In my personal view, the safest food to eat outside the home is KFC and Royal Castle, not the healthiest but the safest.

I know that this note will stir a lot of concerns, because a lot of the people will feel offended by the contents.

Any proof or documentation to add credibility to your claims would be much appreciated...

You really feel I would put that hear, or state my sources?

Take away what you want or disregard it, your choice!

[dogg]

Very good summary. Russia actually were the main buyers of the American L&T until they and the US fell out over Ukraine. I agree with all your other observations.

What I understand about the leg and thigh is that in the US, the prime meat is the breast and the wings, the rest, leg and thigh (l & T) and back is stored/sold. The profit is in the breast meat. China used to buy the L&T, now they don't.

The L&T are usually sold at approximately 17Ct usd per lb when fresh, due to slow sale, the majority is kept in storage for as long as 3 years, where by law they cannot sell it as food to consumers.

There are wholesaler in T&T that are importing the L&T and purchasing it as pet meat, after the three years in the US it can be sold as pet meat. On the documents in T&T it is billed as pet meat, it is bought a low as 5cts usd per lb.

Guess what ? That meat is what ends up on your food plate.

While there are legitimate suppliers, there are also the ones that are not.

I have stopped buying Chinese food and most food outside because of this.

In my personal view, the safest food to eat outside the home is KFC and Royal Castle, not the healthiest but the safest.

I know that this note will stir a lot of concerns, because a lot of the people will feel offended by the contents.

[RBphoto]