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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby j.o.e » November 20th, 2014, 6:25 am

In the above example you were doing 120km/h should have been ticketing before you had a chance to have a blow out and crash. While I don't agree with the 80km/h speed limit...enforce it.

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby Trini Hookah » November 20th, 2014, 7:10 am

Ted_v2 wrote:So I can't drink while having a driver that isn't under the influence?

Strange. I thought this was the idea?

Young driver*

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby joe_d_boss » November 20th, 2014, 7:23 am

The underlying factor in road fatality is speed, not always alcohol. People speed even though they're not under the influence. They need to focus on keeping people driving at a safe speed. If everyone is driving at a safe speed and an accident occurs, a road fatality would be unlikely. People won't be "losing control" or "running off the road." Even if you're drunk and you get into an accident, it really may not end up fatal if you and the other parties involved were all driving within the speed limit.

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby BRZ » November 20th, 2014, 7:27 am

What about TRUCKS not being allowed to use roadways during certain hours? TRUCKS having lower speed limit and NOT blowing past you when you are doing 80 km/ph.

How about people being Fined $50,000 for use of shoulder?

ILLegal U-Turn fines should be increased to $ 10,000

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby j.o.e » November 20th, 2014, 7:44 am

Increases in fines not gonna help unless you increase the chances of getting caught. Police must be visible and motivated to catch perpetrators...as well as use of cameras/speed guns etc to fill the gap.

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby Zim » November 20th, 2014, 3:40 pm

Hmm, interesting views here. I agree with the truck thing though. However, speeding doesn't always cause accidents, it's the bumpering and weaving through traffic (now I eh saying go excessively fast eh). Just drive at a speed you control the vehicle. I glad my car slow oui

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby MG Man » November 20th, 2014, 4:10 pm

increased fines jus means de officer bribe will go up :-/
fhuck all this talk of legislation
Does it not bother allyuh that we pay tax so that gubment ministers and madam PM can pay for a convoy that will run us off the road while we stuck and suffering in traffic?
Make all dem muddacorn blue-light jackholes drive a Tiida with no police escort, and feel how their taxpayers feel

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby shogun » November 20th, 2014, 5:09 pm

^Just like I always say...

Start paying ministers minimum wage or pay by performance; take away most of the perks and privileges and see how fast things improve for the rest of us. Not Trini though... we treat them like deities.

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby redmanjp » November 20th, 2014, 5:18 pm

the zero tolerance thing - isn't that only in Islamic countries where alcohol is illegal to drink anyway?

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby 88sins » November 20th, 2014, 6:05 pm

aye sho aye
watch it wit dem "we" yuh flingin all over d place eh
me eh ha nuttn to do wid dat

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby Spitfir3 » November 20th, 2014, 6:13 pm

Zim wrote:Hmm, interesting views here. I agree with the truck thing though. However, speeding doesn't always cause accidents, it's the bumpering and weaving through traffic (now I eh saying go excessively fast eh). Just drive at a speed you control the vehicle. I glad my car slow oui


agreed..is more reckless driving than anything

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby olvoGTL » November 22nd, 2014, 5:05 pm

Speed is necessary in this modern world. That is why we fly instead of sail. That is why we have cars instead of donkeys. Incidents/carnage is caused when when vehicles are operated beyond the combined capabilities of the operators + machinery. Instead of speed guns, I suggest wheel clamps for any vehicle parked in a public place with smooth tyre, not to be released until a proper one is fitted + fine paid. That would immediately reduce the number of "lost control" ... and defective vehicles on the road.

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby Twin Isle Cars n' Parts » November 23rd, 2014, 7:48 pm

“There will be no level that will be accepted,” Cadiz said. “There must be no alcohol in your system, you will not be allowed to drive a vehicle with any alcohol in your system whatsoever. This is also for anyone who drives a vehicle for hire, whether maxi-taxis, limo drivers, bus drivers.” The minister also said the mere presence of alcohol in a car will raise penalties..."

So what yuh sayin' Cadiz? No party-like campaigning next year, with Trinis flocking to a Political gathering with coolers (full ah alco) like if iz a Fete, and no Bus loads to these events either, for
fear of Driver being drunk after...

Just saying...
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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby Trini Hookah » November 23rd, 2014, 8:23 pm

hide de mouthwash ollour..

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby desifemlove » November 24th, 2014, 9:43 am

Habit7 wrote:
Clampdown on motorists
By Andre Bagoo Tuesday, November 18 2014


A ZERO-tolerance approach to alcohol in cars, mandatory seatbelts for all occupants of a vehicle, and a ban on unsupervised juvenile drivers during early morning hours were among some of the legislative proposals unveiled by Transport Minister Stephen Cadiz yesterday as part of a clampdown on dangerous driving on the nation’s road.

At a ministry function to launch a new road safety policy, the minister detailed provisions of the new Motor Vehicles and Road Traffic Bill, 2014, which he is due to table in Parliament tomorrow.

“We will be clamping down, making sure the people on the road are, in fact, responsible,” Cadiz said at the event, held at the ministry’s offices at Tower D, International Waterfront Centre, Wrightson Road, Port-of-Spain. “There will be zero tolerance of alcohol or any consumption of alcohol.”

Cadiz said under the legislative proposals, which are expected to be debated in Parliament in coming weeks, no driver will be allowed to consume alcohol or to man a vehicle while having alcohol within their system. This will mark a drastic change from the current breathalyser law which permits some degree of alcohol within the system.

“There will be no level that will be accepted,” Cadiz said. “There must be no alcohol in your system, you will not be allowed to drive a vehicle with any alcohol in your system whatsoever. This is also for anyone who drives a vehicle for hire, whether maxi-taxis, limo drivers, bus drivers.” The minister also said the mere presence of alcohol in a car will raise penalties.

“There cannot be an acceptable culture of dangerous driving,” Cadiz said. “We need to be responsible. Sometimes, people will be driving along the road and drinking a beer. No man, it is time to stop that. The new Act will have open container laws in it where there will be no alcohol within the driving compartment. It has to be in the trunk or not at all.”

The Transport Minister said he hoped to see a tightening of current measures for repeat offenders, such as a ban on persons facing a second drunk driving charge.

“I hope that magistrates will deal with drunk driving,” Cadiz said. “I also hope that we can do the same thing to chronic speeders. If you are charged with speeding you cannot be allowed to continue to drive because you are risking people’s lives.” He continued, “I know there will be a points system dealing with it that way, but I really and truly hope that we can really come down on people who drive and are in constant violation of the rules and regulations; that we can actually take them off the road because I think that is the only way that people are going to understand. After a second drunk driving charge, get off the road. You have no right being on the road.”

He said the law pertaining to seatbelts in cars, currently explicitly mandatory for the driver and front-seat passenger, will be made to cover all seats.

“Everybody has to be belted,” Cadiz said. “There are no if’s, no’s or but’s about it. That is something that we are going to be bringing in.”

New drivers or young drivers will not be allowed to drive between the hours of midnight and 5 am under proposals for regulations.

“We hope to be able to have new drivers restricted. And when I say new drivers, not just an 18-year-old, anybody who just got their driving permit will, between a certain time, for instance between 12 am and five am, not be allowed on the road without the presence of a sober adult,” Cadiz said.

These measures were announced in a month which has seen several instances of road carnage. Cadiz expressed relief that over the last weekend there were no reported road fatalities tied to reckless driving. He also said cyclists need their own lane, in light of recent incidents.

“They need to have a dedicated lane up until a certain time,” the minister said. Cadiz also said the State hopes to beef up the Crash Investigative Unit of the Police Service in an effort to better probe accidents.

“We need to determine what causes these accidents,” the minister said. “We need to know why in certain places there are accident/blank spots where there are always accidents.”

Of the new legislation he suggested the Government will exercise its discretion to pass the new law without reference to a committee.

“It looks as though we are actually going to be doing the debate on the floor so I ask all of you who are concerned with road safety to (go to) the ministry’s website, take a look at the Act and what is being presented. If there is any change needed we can actually do it on the floor of the Parliament,” Cadiz said. “I think it is a very good Act, I think it covers everything that we wanted to have covered, the amount of consultations that went into that Act. We spoke with all parties concerned. But there is always going to be a little tweaking here and there so please look at it and if there are any recommendations just send me a submission and we will see how it will work.”

http://newsday.co.tt/news/0,203066.html


Cliffs:
No drivers are allowed to have any alcohol in their system
No open alcohol containers in vehicles
All occupants must wear seat belts
No new drivers driving unsupervised between 12am-5am


How UNC gonna know who drank or not? so if a person has jus a sip ah beer or wine, or drink a shandy, what constitutes any alcohol?

Agree wit seatbelts.

lolwut? So all new drivers penalised cos UNC say dey can't drive safe?

Sometimes I does tink UNC Cabinet must have had dey brains removed and replaced wit farmyard dung...

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby DFC » November 24th, 2014, 9:50 am

cyclists. ugh.

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby RBphoto » November 24th, 2014, 10:19 am

Though I agree with the initiative, this is a joke. Any of that enforced?. If you drive at 75kmph on the left lane, your probability of getting in an accident is just about zero *cept for some other fool doing something you cannot even react to*

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby RBphoto » November 24th, 2014, 10:21 am

MG Man wrote:increased fines jus means de officer bribe will go up :-/
fhuck all this talk of legislation
Does it not bother allyuh that we pay tax so that gubment ministers and madam PM can pay for a convoy that will run us off the road while we stuck and suffering in traffic?
Make all dem muddacorn blue-light jackholes drive a Tiida with no police escort, and feel how their taxpayers feel



Still toating for the Murti police escort I see :lol:

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby sliderz1 » November 24th, 2014, 10:21 am

what percentage of new drivers are on the road between 12-5am and what disruptions are caused by this category during the specified time?

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby RBphoto » November 24th, 2014, 10:37 am

sliderz1 wrote:what percentage of new drivers are on the road between 12-5am and what disruptions are caused by this category during the specified time?


They does dead :|

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby sliderz1 » November 24th, 2014, 10:41 am

unwarranted.

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby pete » November 24th, 2014, 11:25 am

Keeping people alive is unwarranted?

Young drivers have little experience, also start going to parties with alcohol around the same time. Even if alcohol isn't involved, they go to school/work all day and hit a party in the night and leave at 5am after going 23+ hours without sleep. Even without alcohol lack of sleep is also an impairment.

Looking back at all the crap I used to do when I was younger it's amazing I'm still here now. But I was driving a relatively slow car and didn't go far from home. One time leaving a party in Chaguaramas my friend in front of me drove out of the carpark straight in front a pickup doing 100+. Hit him square on the driver door and he ended up in a coma for two weeks. Fractured his hip and a lot of other parts and was in bed for a few months. If he was in a different car that might have turned out differently.

It might not happen to you but could happen to a friend. Putting things like this in place would hopefully allow the people just starting to drive to not put themselves in situations like that because it really does suck for everyone involved.

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby sliderz1 » November 24th, 2014, 11:30 am

provide stats pls

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Re: Zero Tolerance for Alcohol Drinkers

Postby j.o.e » November 25th, 2014, 4:45 am

More laws to be not enforced....enforce those on the books right now before adding more pls, thx.

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