(No longer Looming) US shutdown.

[pugboy]

that sounding like central bank and clico

IMF tells US to "Get it together"

major hurdle coming up thursday.... else the US defaults on its 17plus TRILLION National Debt.

maybe the Chinese was right...

[teems1]

that sounding like central bank and clico

IMF tells US to "Get it together"

major hurdle coming up thursday.... else the US defaults on its 17plus TRILLION National Debt.

maybe the Chinese was right...

The US won't default. They'll come to an agreement a few hours before the deadline. The GOP polls are at an all time low, and they can't afford for it go get any worse.

[rocknrolla]

Anytime there is a "BIG" newstory in the US - start paying real attention o the "small" stories... when that Zimmerman crap was going on they sentenced Bradley Manning... who know what crap they do this time

think they just fired military generals who wont go to war for obama and personnell who wont go to war against the american people. while we were paying attention to the shutdown.

[rocknrolla]

that sounding like central bank and clico

IMF tells US to "Get it together"

major hurdle coming up thursday.... else the US defaults on its 17plus TRILLION National Debt.

maybe the Chinese was right...

The US won't default. They'll come to an agreement a few hours before the deadline. The GOP polls are at an all time low, and they can't afford for it go get any worse.

i was thinking that as a possibility as well. unfortunately each day new things are discovered in the obamacare document. it is 20,000 pages long. yes ridiculously long and attempted to extort the congress and the people with a last minute vote. this is why the congress cannot go ahead. they have to read the whole thing..AS THEY SHOULD before they vote on it.

the risk of a default i would say right now is very high. but so is a motive for conspiracy to crash the dollar and spare themselves the debt they currently owe. i dont think congress will vote in favour unless they themselves become exempt from obamacare as some of them are clamouring for. like i said, each day someone who actually reads the bill is discovering more and more ridiculous implementations.

and im sure the idea was to do just this.

would you vote on this without reading and understanding fully how it will affect you?
www.policymic.com/articles/29573/the-ob ... ge-by-page


in addition to higher insurance premiums. just yesterday it was discovered that there is some sort of cumulative addition to how they will decide how much you have to pay. and bet ur bottom dollar it means u pay even more and not less. they are realizing that it is as though obama was paid to be the poster boy to market and introduce this law which would give his insurance buddies power in league with the federal government.

would u take kamla care when it gives government the authority to reach into ur bank account and deduct at will? regardless of ur budget? would u sign the dotted line in agreement when u have to spend an extra $1000 while rich people get tax breaks?

brace yourselves.. default is coming. the last hours are already here.

[ALIS]

And this is why the world economy should have never been pegged against the USD value...... cause when they hit rock bottom, the effects on trade, balance of payments not the mention monetary values going to be vastly affected....

[rocknrolla]

And this is why the world economy should have never been pegged against the USD value...... cause when they hit rock bottom, the effects on trade, balance of payments not the mention monetary values going to be vastly affected....

yup this is what china and many other countries are referring to when they speak about emerging economies. the us has been forcefully stifling other currencies. it is illegal in america to pay for goods and services with pure gold.

in the end a currency is only powered by a mass consensus in agreement to recognize it as valuable. if noone wants to use a currency it's worthless. if it's not backed by anything it's just fancy printed pieces of paper.

[ALIS]

^^
Yup, but many dont realize that the mighty US is not so mighty at all as it was long ago. While they do have military superiority (no wonder they spending all dey money), countries like even India have grown in leaps and bounds in terms of IT and aeronautics, but again, because the global market is dominated by US currency, it does in fact stifle the emerging economies which, had these economies been allowed to enter on a level playing field, they would topple the US dominance in a number of key areas!

[rocknrolla]

indeed. the big question id say. is who has all the money theyve borrowed and spent? indicators suggest the banks do. and the Fed is supposed to be their allies. will the banks give back? the taxpayers bailed them out remember? so when are they gonna return the favour and return some money to the economy? or are they going to somehow get into another war so that the Corporation can keep on profiting whilst shrinking and eating away at the remaining middle class. pushing everyone who isnt wealthy to descend into poverty.

this is why i say their must be a human element to capitalism. we are that human element that must rule it. if we rule it like robots, it will be emotionless and rigidly unhuman. this is why one of the great powers as a judge is Mercy. it appeals to the human and compassionate level of man which separates us from machine.

[Monk BANzai]

^^ inno...all jokes aside....yall making some VERY pertinent points there!!!

[pugboy]

So who to peg ur country against ?
Euro consists of a couple countries propping up the rest of europe.

[ALIS]

What happened to the euro was bound to happen when you placed the various economies of all the European member states under one currency. The weak economies brought strain to the progressive economies with the single economy and currency. That should have never been allowed to happen!

But back to the US, you might recall done time ago the the us economy was downgraded by s and p, but do you think that that was not engineered to damage the US standing in international economics by the same republicans aimed at destabilizing Obamas administration? What is going on right now is also engineered to do that same thing from a different angle with no care for the nations economy as a whole!

[bluefete]

The US won't default. They'll come to an agreement a few hours before the deadline. The GOP polls are at an all time low, and they can't afford for it go get any worse.

Frightened white people in Congress who won't accept a black President are what's causing the deadlock
Even on Columbus Day extremist Republicans are stopping progress
Comments (556)
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, October 14, 2013, 10:38 PM



When I was a kid in Brooklyn there was a mock nursery rhyme: “In 1492/Columbus had nuthin’ to do/ So he sat on the grass/ And scratched his ass/ In 1492 . . .”

And 521 years after Columbus “discovered” America, on the holiday celebrating the noted explorer, America was still closed for business. And in 2013 Congress had nothing to do, so it sat on a hill of grass scratching its collective ass.

Even on Columbus Day.

Columbus and his band of European Christian white guys had sloshed ashore to civilize the “savage” red man. And half a millennium later words like “deadlocked,” “debt ceiling,” “fiscal cliff,” “sequester,” “continuing resolution” and “default” clogged the headlines and airwaves like a logjam of political inertia that has made us the laughingstock of the world.

But this isn’t about money, debt or deficit. It’s about race.

Five centuries after Columbus and his nervous white crew arrived, there is still a small crew of frightened white people in Congress who refuse to accept an America with a black man in charge.

These extremists have not yet been able to accept, even after two decisive national elections, that a black man occupies the White House.

For some of them, their single goal as members of Congress is to make this first African-American President fail.

President Obama has failed at many things all on his own, disappointing many in his own Democratic Party. He failed to close Guantanamo Bay, as he promised. He failed to bring a swift end to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He failed to curtail the government’s invasion of our privacy. Obama has failed to remove the cop-of-the-world badge from Uncle Sam’s top hat after 12 years of awful, bloody, deadly war.

Obama and Secretary of State Kerry were itching to go to war with Syria until our old warmongering nemesis Russia persuaded Syria to agree to start dismantling its chemical weapon stockpile.

Not everyone who opposes Obama is a racist.

Nor did most opponents of his Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare, vote against it for racial reasons. Most Republicans voted against it for legitimate political and ideological reasons.

They are conservatives. Not racists. But this bill passed both houses of Congress, was signed by the President and upheld as constitutional by the Supreme Court. It’s the law of the land in a nation of laws. If you are a patriotic American, you will respect the law.



It was ratified once more by the American people with Obama’s overwhelming reelection last year in which his health care law was a central campaign issue.

Now a small crew of hard-core, right-wing extremist Republicans have hijacked their own party. They have led us to the brink of default and international mockery because they want Obama to renegotiate the Affordable Care Act, the single biggest accomplishment of his presidency.

It’s extortion.

If a wiseguy on 18th Ave. in Brooklyn tried to squeeze someone like this, he would be collared on a RICO indictment.

This crew of right-wing loonies does not want Obama to succeed, so they hold the entire country hostage. It doesn’t matter that the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC Poll shows that their own Republican Party has sunk to historic lows in public opinion. That even sane, conservative Republicans like Sen. John McCain and Rep. Pete King warn of political blowback.

This small crew of frightened white men wants Obama to fail because they can’t accept a black President succeeding in their anachronistic vision of America.

The worst part is that the Republican Party allows this extortion to continue because its cowardly leadership fears primary challenges financed by the odious Koch brothers, who have bottomless pockets.

So just as this Congress failed to pass serious gun legislation after 20 kids were slaughtered — just before last Christmas — in Newtown, Conn., this Columbus Day, on Capitol Hill, with three days until the United States of America faces default, the Congress had nothing to do.

So it just sat on the grass and scratched its ass 521 years after 1492.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/scar ... z2hsUAy3H3

[shogun]

I disagree with some of the minutiae, but he's spot on with everything else. The Republican party is on a downward trajectory, unless they detangle themselves from these nuts and kooks, that care less about the country, than their agenda.

So ironic that these people (on the extreme right) that defend everything american and salivate over the constitution constantly, are surprisingly now so unpatriotic.

[ALIS]

I disagree with some of the minutiae, but he's spot on with everything else. The Republican party is on a downward trajectory, unless they detangle themselves from these nuts and kooks, that care less about the country, than their agenda.

So ironic that these people (on the extreme right) that defend everything american and salivate over the constitution constantly, are surprisingly now so unpatriotic.

Plain and simple

Republicans = rednecks and racists

Would rather destroy something than see a person of color in charge and then spin the blame. Might I mention they were the ones against regularizing the immigrants while it is these same immigrants are the one who work even harder than the average American, to build something for themselves and by extension the country -------- my honest opinion. They should just banish all republicans to the effin south and let racist paula deen cook for them.... where is she now btw?? lol

[wagonrunner]

America. A nation of immigrants. against immigrants.
sadly such self loathing is all too prevalent around he world, even here.

[Dizzy28]

Immigration is imported poverty. Because it worked in the 1800s doesn't mean it is relevant today.

[JoKeR1980]

Washington (CNN) -- An agreement to end the partial government shutdown and avoid a possible U.S. default easily passed the U.S. Senate and headed to the House for a vote expected later Wednesday.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/16/polit ... ?hpt=hp_t1

[rocknrolla]

Washington (CNN) -- An agreement to end the partial government shutdown and avoid a possible U.S. default easily passed the U.S. Senate and headed to the House for a vote expected later Wednesday.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/16/polit ... ?hpt=hp_t1

kicking the cans further down the road. at least it will return funding to areas of the shut down. this suggests the republicans caved in negotiations. but im not so sure. waiting to see what my republican contacts have to say about it.

[meccalli]

America. A nation of immigrants. against immigrants.
sadly such self loathing is all too prevalent around he world, even here.

Watched dances with wolves last night, very true statement, grim reminder of the kind of people that colonised the north and yes its here, trickled down since everybody wants to be like the US because our culture is apparently considered inferior, even by ourselves as island people, as well as in the eye of the powers that be.

[maj. tom]

^ did you watch the 4-hour Director's Cut version?
The full ideas of Kevin Costner on that work are presented in that version rather than the theatrical version.

Amazing film. An Epic. And what are they doing with all that land now in Wyoming and N/S Dakota, etc that they committed genocide for in the American Indian Wars? Nothing.

[marlener]

Guess teem1 called it correct on Monday.Even this temporary delay will have reaching effects.

[Dizzy28]

In 2006 Parkland Hospital in Dallas spent US$75m on delivery of babies of illegal immigrants. This money came primarily from Medicaid - $35m and state and federal funding for the remainder.
This is one hospital in one city in a border state.

I don't know why people feel the Americans have to be the saviour for the world. Maybe the Americans caused it upon themselves for trying to hard.

[teems1]

In 2006 Parkland Hospital in Dallas spent US$75m on delivery of babies of illegal immigrants. This money came primarily from Medicaid - $35m and state and federal funding for the remainder.
This is one hospital in one city in a border state.

I don't know why people feel the Americans have to be the saviour for the world. Maybe the Americans caused it upon themselves for trying to hard.

Well that's the point people aren't getting. The US population is already paying for the healthcare of others (50m uninsured and illegals) via Medicaid.

Implementing the ACA would allow the 50m uninsured persons to obtain affordable insurance, and not have to file for bankruptcy.