Raise age to get DP or parents to be blamed despite age??

[X2]

Reading the paper just makes me see how damn stupid Trinidadians have become... feel shame to call myself a trini sometimes yes.


Just LOOK at how to 'train' our new drivers... driving teachers have kids puttering around the road at 5mph and call that 'learning to drive'... no wonder the little dweebs want to burn rubber on the road... they have NO IDEA what a car or a crash is capable of doing. In addition, the written test is a joke...the license office (and by connection, the government) is DIRECTLY responsible for promoting this retardation of our youth.

In other countries, the driving age is even lower than TnT... in Europe, getting a license is very difficult because you need to know how to drive to get a license. And we think we are an advanced culture... you'd swear the country is run by toddlers.

sheesh...

[pioneer]

Trinis love the system backward, how else LO's and instructors go make ah morney?

[rspann]

That reminds me of a sign hanging on all the walkovers coming from POS"walkovers save lives".The walkover is always there,but if you cross below it a car could lick your ass down.The sign should read,"using the walkover saves lives".Guns don't kill people, a man has to take the gun,point it at you and fire.Stop blaming the wrong things,leave that for the politicians.The father of the twins,saying that the age for DP should be raised,his daughters did not have license nor a car but what happened?to boot they were in the backseat.How many people die in accidents where the driver is over 25?He would not advise parents that students have no right in a club at 4am,(especially during exams).

[X2]

Trinis love the system backward, how else LO's and instructors go make ah morney?

so once again... corruption and supporting the inept and incapable is the cause for all to suffer.

Same crap all over... to get your new license, you have to go pay some fewl to take out passport photos (with a digital camera no less !)... then the license office takes your digital photo and prints it on the license... whats the point ?? so mankind can eat a food ?

sheesh x2

[pioneer]

Banana republic problems

[rspann]

Sir,desist from calling Trinidad a banana republic.We have thrown away our banana,our sugarcane and our cocoa/coffee industries years ago.

[azis]

Every time something happens there is outrage and emotions, and then knee-jerk reactions abound. This is no different. I haven't heard anyone in authority comment on alcohol consumption and teen clubbing but fingers seem to be pointing everywhere else.
Now, all of a sudden, the responsibility of some drivers are being questioned, simply because their car accelerates faster than others? What nonsense is that? I never killed anyone. You? Okay.

Two major things stand out for me as serious issues here:
Why aren't there TTPS officers outside the clubs, willing to catch drunk drivers BEFORE they crash?
Why were teenagers allowed into the club in the first place?

I'm in full support of implementing laws to prevent establishments from selling alcohol after a certain hour AND a drinking age restriction of 21 years, but the bottom line is always enforcement, enforcement and enforcement.
Also, enforcement plays a huge role here. Throw in a side of enforcement with those fries. While you're at it, supersize the enforcement.

Did I mention enforcement?

All the ad campaigns in the world won't appeal to a driver who's convinced that he/she's the greatest thing on four wheels and that accidents happen to OTHER people, not them, so wave the big stick of THE LAW at them and get them in line.

It's THAT simple.

Point well made ......

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[Hook]

I'm waiting for someone to imagine that I typed "every bar, club and fete" and respond accordingly.

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[SR]

random checks should also be made inside bars and clubs for selling of alcohol to the underaged

with immediate closure of the club for 6 months and a $100k fine
or loss of licence to sell alcohol and to reapply afterwards

this is where clubs and bars can be held accountable as to whom they sell alcohol to

[avenall]

Parents cannot be blamed. I believe that a system can be developed with a certain chip that is installed that does not allow the vehicle to pass a certain speed. People blame young people for speeding? Why ? Are you telling me that person's over the age of 25 do not cross the speed limit of 80 ? Not every young adult speeding..

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[brams112]

Lemme just state,all of the points that make sense says nothing if we don't have enforcement of the laws,ever come out off a club and see five squad cars with flashing lights just standing there waiting to bust ur ass if you walk bad,monitoring all drivers,making sure police do there jobs,account for their shift,show they worked for their pay, like coming out of a club drunk and seeing a police waiting to arrest your tail or take your license,it will make you think twice.

[Hook]

Maybe not so extreme. But a plain clothes one in the parking lot and a squad car by the next traffic light.
Not every club on every night, but frequently enough to make it a reality.

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[ruff neck chicken]

ok all this beat up going to die down until the next incident. what can we do with all this ideas instead of repeating them next time around?

[nemisis]

^^^ bookmark thread

[iamblessed]

^^^ bookmark thread

:lol::lol:

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[redmanjp]

ok all this beat up going to die down until the next incident. what can we do with all this ideas instead of repeating them next time around?

protest outside red house- seriously no blocking the road just placards until govt implement them

[ruff neck chicken]

but who going to protest...............no one.

[maj. tom]

nope. rain falling.

[nemisis]

nope. rain falling.

and when it not falling sun hot

[pioneer]

If I remember right, bar/club owners in west POS said it is NOT their problem how much alcohol people consume. They cannot control what people do.

What they also clearly do not control is under-aged drinking. Once people spending money trini businessmen do not care. When last you see anywhere asking for ID.

[Mr. Red Sleeper]

When last you see anywhere asking for ID.

Is that a trick question?

You dunno why no one asking you for id?

[wagonrunner]

When last you see anywhere asking for ID.

because sharing is caring. and they care.

[Morpheus]

all this sheit wouldnt be happening iif so many cars were allowed on the roads.

We did it
our parents did it
we never had this enormous quantity of road carnage in the past.

I always said that they have to hold club/bar owners responsible for quantities consumed by patrons.
They will see drunk people buying more and will allow them to continue.

^^Madness. How are bar owners to know who driving? If mankind feel to drink to a stupor because he has a designated driver now?

[Morpheus]

That reminds me of a sign hanging on all the walkovers coming from POS"walkovers save lives".The walkover is always there,but if you cross below it a car could lick your ass down.The sign should read,"using the walkover saves lives".Guns don't kill people, a man has to take the gun,point it at you and fire.Stop blaming the wrong things,leave that for the politicians.The father of the twins,saying that the age for DP should be raised,his daughters did not have license nor a car but what happened?to boot they were in the backseat.How many people die in accidents where the driver is over 25?He would not advise parents that students have no right in a club at 4am,(especially during exams).

^^Agreed, except for the part highlighted red. They're "adults". They can be in a club, purchase alco, drive car, etc. Exam time or not. Who are we to decide people study habits?

[rspann]

Yeah, but at 18,you don't have your own money,car ,you still in your parents house studying.I don't think that under those circumstances you are an adult, in the true sense of the word.Exams didn't finish yet,what were they celebrating?The mother said next week they were going Zen.Parents are there to teach their children about life the children then can make wise choices based on what they are taught.Do you think this is what happened in this situation?If I saw a boy "pull off with a speed"with my son in his car I not calling to tell him to tell the boy take his time,I making sure he not travelling in that car to come back.It is said that hindsight is 20/20,do you think this mother is going to let the little son go clubbing when he gets older?I don't know about others,But as a father,I do every thing to teach my sons the right thing,and I make decisions that are sometimes hard(at the time it may seem harsh)but I explain to them why I do what I do,and they accept when they see the logic in it.

[nemisis]

Yeah, but at 18,you don't have your own money,car ,you still in your parents house studying.I don't think that under those circumstances you are an adult, in the true sense of the word.Exams didn't finish yet,what were they celebrating?The mother said next week they were going Zen.Parents are there to teach their children about life the children then can make wise choices based on what they are taught.Do you think this is what happened in this situation?If I saw a boy "pull off with a speed"with my son in his car I not calling to tell him to tell the boy take his time,I making sure he not travelling in that car to come back.It is said that hindsight is 20/20,do you think this mother is going to let the little son go clubbing when he gets older?I don't know about others,But as a father,I do every thing to teach my sons the right thing,and I make decisions that are sometimes hard(at the time it may seem harsh)but I explain to them why I do what I do,and they accept when they see the logic in it.

you are correct about hindsight being 2020, you ever stop to think that the girls have earned the trust of their parents and therefore allowed more leeway as a result? As for the partying what works for them is their business, they may have done the same for cxc as far as you know. You sound like one of my dads friend when I was about to get my license saying don't give me the car because his son does drink and speed and he regret it.you child would do sheit so others shouldn't.



On a side note when younger I had a good respect for how easy it was to die and didn't let anyone I knew who drank drive me ever

[FullStop]

the parents are to blame for their daughters' deaths, they're just looking for a scapegoat so they dont have to bear the guilt...

[rspann]

Nemesis,you didn't read my comments from the beginning.My two sons driving their own vehicles since they were seventeen,going to school,but had to abide by my rules as a parent.I talking about training children(thats what they are)to make wise decisions based on knowledge imparted to them.I think eighteen yearolds have no place in a club at 4am,that is my opinion,anyone who allows their children to do it that is their perogative.However you have to admit that they would take drinks(thats what clubbing is about if i'm not mistaken )then the results would be seen on the road on the way home.Children(adults too) generally feel they know every thing and can control their liquor,but sadly when they get into an accident we are the ones who stay behind suffering for the rest of our life,regretting their passing.

[nemisis]

I agree with training being the leading fault here but since when clubbing means alcohol far less falling down drunk. When I was that age when I went clubbing it was a few drinks at best or even better probably two stag because I was the driver. When did having a good time become not being able to walk a straight line

[rspann]

Do you have children?If you do,do you want them to be driven by a twenty year old that had two stags at 4am after a night of partying?Talk the truth,no starboy talk.As for myself,I have never tasted a beer or any form of alcohol,so I probably don't know how one or two beers will affect ones driving,but I think that even two might affect ones judgement and ones reflexes and awareness.Ones enjoyment of life cannot be had only in the context of clubbing,having two teenagers who never did it,but there are many other forms of enjoyment.I,have never been to a club/fete,and I have no problems with those who like it.I have lived my life to the fullest and don't think i have missed out on anything.I have had very fast cars (still do)but it's about responsibility,to ones self and others too.When a drunk crosses the highway after he drops asleep or loses control of his car and kills innocent people,what do we say then?I personally cussed a driver from my area for driving drunk along the highway a couple years ago,went to the bamboo,coming back saw him cross the highway in Aranguez,killing a man in a bluebird from garden village Arouca.I held the dying man who kept begging me not to leave him,telling me to call his family.When you see these things over and over again as I have you get a different perspective.I lost a brother who was 21,and saw what it did to my mom,she has never gotten over it even after thirty years.I want my children to bury me ,I don't think any parent should have to bury their child.