Fire Service's candle costing more than the funeral?

[5onDfloor]

what was the cost by Junior Sammy to repair the BIG HOLE by sea lots last year?...that was a 'high priority' situation....

A fire tender laying down in a 300ft precipice is not a 'high priority' situation, i don't see the justification to spend this obscene amount of money.

[UML]

what was the cost by Junior Sammy to repair the BIG HOLE by sea lots last year?...that was a 'high priority' situation....

A fire tender laying down in a 300ft precipice is not a 'high priority' situation, i don't see the justification to spend this obscene amount of money.

i think morale of the firemen would have a part to play in this as well. it can be seen by them that they are not a priority and their life and limb is not valued.


I was told that the price would be somewhat accurate because companies rent these cranes for a week or two, not by the day, so you have to pay the price (take it or leave it) in addition breaking down the crane moving it and setting it up again is another cost and time. In addition they would need a crane to set up and support the initial crane, so thats two cranes. then the engineers and other personnel and other requirements.

[zoom rader]

During any shutdown or repairs in Pt Lisas a crane can cost 500k plus a day. Men in here feel its a 2 x 4 police wrecker $500 they renting.

[5onDfloor]

how much to rent a crane per week? the job took 4 days!!!
How much to assemble and reassemble a crane?
How long does this ^^ take?
Are the engineers daily paid or monthly paid or freelance/consultants?

we are talking about $6,500,000.00TT

????

[5onDfloor]

what was the cost by Junior Sammy to repair the BIG HOLE by sea lots last year?...that was a 'high priority' situation....

A fire tender laying down in a 300ft precipice is not a 'high priority' situation, i don't see the justification to spend this obscene amount of money.

i think morale of the firemen would have a part to play in this as well. it can be seen by them that they are not a priority and their life and limb is not valued.


I was told that the price would be somewhat accurate because companies rent these cranes for a week or two, not by the day, so you have to pay the price (take it or leave it) in addition breaking down the crane moving it and setting it up again is another cost and time. In addition they would need a crane to set up and support the initial crane, so thats two cranes. then the engineers and other personnel and other requirements.

what does the Morale of the firemen has to do with the cost of removing the fire tender?

They all escaped without injuries!!

[Soundwave]

firetrucking firetruck

that is all...

[Habit7]

Despite what the article and whoever may have said, this is not 300ft

[zoom rader]

^^^ We all know by now not to beleive anything the media writes

[Chimera]

how much to rent a crane per week? the job took 4 days!!!
How much to assemble and reassemble a crane?
How long does this ^^ take?
Are the engineers daily paid or monthly paid or freelance/consultants?

we are talking about $6,500,000.00TT

????

sometimes its 100-200k just to move a crane from paramount office to grandbazaar.


if that was my crane, i was charging a million transport to carry it up on THAT road.

[UML]

Despite what the article and whoever may have said, this is not 300ft

yea i was wondering the same ting

[UML]

how much to rent a crane per week? the job took 4 days!!!
How much to assemble and reassemble a crane?
How long does this ^^ take?
Are the engineers daily paid or monthly paid or freelance/consultants?

we are talking about $6,500,000.00TT

????

sometimes its 100-200k just to move a crane from paramount office to grandbazaar.


if that was my crane, i was charging a million transport to carry it up on THAT road.

it is alleged even Manning had a crane working in the port and that was used at petrotrin....everybody fixing dey business oui.

[zoom rader]

^^^ Yeah 300 feet horizontal

[Chimera]

probably the discussion for the price quote went like this


Sammy #1 : they want us pull out a fire tender from up blanchi boy.....how much we guh tell them?
Sammy #2 :wtf, i eh wanna send my expensive cranes up on that road
Sammy #1: but we can't outright say no, we hadda send a quote
sammy #2: tell them 7 million or something na, they guh just take someone else and then they guh can't say we eh respond to them.

[Habit7]

Well if crane costs are so expensive and their price is so justified, why use them? If the vehicle is a write off disassemble it with 5 guys and a 2ton truck making multiple trips a day.

It is like saying because a government official needs desperately to go to Tobago and there are no seats available, there is justification for us to charter a 747 to get him there in speed and comfort.

[Rooki3]

Well if crane costs are so expensive and their price is so justified, why use them? If the vehicle is a write off disassemble it with 5 guys and a 2ton truck making multiple trips a day.

wow, so u gonna disassemble the truck before the insurance adjuster has a look & says its a total lost?

riiiiiight, tell us more

[5onDfloor]

i have no doubt that this job was an expensive job but not $6.5mil!!!

No matter how you cut it or slice this is gross misuse of public funds..the PNM had its Flag and now the PP have its firetruck.

The thing that is upsetting about this whole ordeal is that this is the norm once is tax payers money we spending.

We are talking about bloody "wreck" not a "high precious cargo" or anything of that sort that can or would of pose a health treat to anyone or the environs....what was the need or urgency to carry out such a task at such exorbitant costs?

is this prudent spending of our tax payers dollars?

there is not justification for this...and yet again we have 'jack' at the center of this mess. Cabinet twice! not once.. twice! refuse to grant approval of this....I want the AG to step in and say the Gov't not paying this bill. what will jusamco do? refuse future Govt work? i dare him not!

[X2]

Not defending anyone here but these are my estimates as a contractor:

25 men x 4 days @ $300 = 300,000
24 hr security for 4 days ($40/hr x 2 men x 24 hr x 4 days) = 5,760
project management fee = 15,000
lighting towers = 15,000
mobilization = 150,000
police presence = 10,000
equipment rentals = 500,000
Insurances = 40,000
Risk factors = 250,000
contingencies = 120,000
Mark up = 500,000

Sub total = 1,786,000
VAT = 267,900
Total = 2,053,900

If however i am the best in the business and the competition is small, i'd really make some money

The very first sum is wrong

Ha haha...watch what you saying bro... that guys the best in the business.... smart man business....

[Team Loco]

we all know what went on here. let a week pass and this will all get quiet. how unfortunate

[kevcam]

i have no doubt that this job was an expensive job but not $6.5mil!!!

No matter how you cut it or slice this is gross misuse of public funds..the PNM had its Flag and now the PP have its firetruck.

The thing that is upsetting about this whole ordeal is that this is the norm once is tax payers money we spending.

We are talking about bloody "wreck" not a "high precious cargo" or anything of that sort that can or would of pose a health treat to anyone or the environs....what was the need or urgency to carry out such a task at such exorbitant costs?

is this prudent spending of our tax payers dollars?

there is not justification for this...and yet again we have 'jack' at the center of this mess. Cabinet twice! not once.. twice! refuse to grant approval of this....I want the AG to step in and say the Gov't not paying this bill. what will jusamco do? refuse future Govt work? i dare him not!

Agreed but let's not forget that the initial quote was 10 million. After refusing twice I mean nobody asked how much a new one would cost? Money really easy to spend when it's tax payers dollars involved. Also, that is no way near 300 feet there.

[sliderz1]

so they couldn't say fire truck rather than fire tender?

[5onDfloor]

but honestly speaking....you will send a quote of $10mil to remove a wreckage thats about a 100 ft down a precipice????

Don't you think that's utterly absurd?
wouldn't you feel embarassed?

it has to be either
a)..they didnt want the job and just send a quote for sending sakes

or

b) ..they knew no matter what they quoted they would get the job.

[Mr. Red Sleeper]

Not defending anyone here but these are my estimates as a contractor:

25 men x 4 days @ $300 = 300,000
24 hr security for 4 days ($40/hr x 2 men x 24 hr x 4 days) = 5,760
project management fee = 15,000
lighting towers = 15,000
mobilization = 150,000
police presence = 10,000
equipment rentals = 500,000
Insurances = 40,000
Risk factors = 250,000
contingencies = 120,000
Mark up = 500,000

Sub total = 1,786,000
VAT = 267,900
Total = 2,053,900

If however i am the best in the business and the competition is small, i'd really make some money

The insurance is actually a $1m bond.
Police for the 4 days is $40,000
Mark up is usually 25% of total quoted price
Mobilisation & Demobilisation - $ 500k +/-

[sliderz1]

should have left that in the damn ditch tbh

[bluefete]

So the game is:

Jack pass info to Rowley on e-mail gate.

The gov't pass info to Guardian on Jack-firetruck- gate.

Stay tuned.

This g'un get better.

[clone101]

The old saying ,''You ent need a mask or a gun to rob people blind'' .............

[Strauss]

They should've sent a team of mechanics to go down there and scrap down the fcuker and drag it up in parts.

[Rooki3]

shudda send some 2nrs

[RASC]

Speechless

[sliderz1]

Not defending anyone here but these are my estimates as a contractor:

25 men x 4 days @ $300 = 300,000
24 hr security for 4 days ($40/hr x 2 men x 24 hr x 4 days) = 5,760
project management fee = 15,000
lighting towers = 15,000
mobilization = 150,000
police presence = 10,000
equipment rentals = 500,000
Insurances = 40,000
Risk factors = 250,000
contingencies = 120,000
Mark up = 500,000

Sub total = 1,786,000
VAT = 267,900
Total = 2,053,900

If however i am the best in the business and the competition is small, i'd really make some money

The insurance is actually a $1m bond.
Police for the 4 days is $40,000
Mark up is usually 25% of total quoted price
Mobilisation & Demobilisation - $ 500k +/-

RF should be twice or more for multiple mutli million dollar equipment up that road.

[Habit7]

Where were these e-contractors when Gary Hunt was taking flak for the $2 million flag?

They would have been able to quantify the cost of a permanent 200ft structure just as they are able to quantify the cost of the temporary $6.5 million service for a written off asset .