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Postby SR » August 3rd, 2012, 11:52 pm

Iasca judges worldwide use this as a refference set for tonal accuracy

German Maestro GMP 8.35D
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German Maestro 8.35 D Headphones – Surprise of the year?


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I have been hearing whispers and gossip regarding the German Maestro range for quite sometime now. Some of it good and some of it not so good. Naturally I have not gone out of my way to acquire one until our sponsor Hifi Headphones suggested I give the 8.35 D (32ohm edition) a try and very kindly allowed me some time with a unit. Now I actually got this along with a much more vaunted headphone in the $1000 range and the crazy thing is I am actually listening to the 8.35 D a bit more than I would like to admit, well actually, a hell of a lot more. So much so the flagship has taken a backseat, albeit probably a temporary one, but nevertheless I do want to take some time and introduce this headphone to you as probably the ‘surprise of the year’ for this cynical old chap’s listening preferences.

First of all the name is relatively new in the market. You are not going to see immediate brand recognition like Sennheiser or Grado so they have their work cut out but then again they don’t come with any preconceptions either so no automatic bias. German Maestro were actually born out of the old MB Quart lineage of headphones so they are not completely new to the market in terms of know how and development expertise. The second point to note is indeed they are a German firm and indeed the headphones are manufactured in Germany. Some people put a lot of stock in that and in the brief time I have handled them I can honestly say the quality of finish is exactly as the company intended them to be – near indestructible!

These cans are really built to last and I don’t mean in a “drop them they might not break’ kind of way, I mean ‘drop them and stomp on them and then plug them in and listen to great music’ kind of way. I had previously mentioned last year I thought the Aiaiai TMA-1 set the standard for robustness, well the 8.35D just takes it up up a few notches. I wouldn’t bother buying a case for these (unless your packing it in a bag of nails), I just don’t see anyway you can break them in normal everyday use.


German Maestro 8.35 D



The whole casing is made from durable plastics that is very flexible indeed with some added leather on the headband underside for necessary comfort. The pads themselves are flat plether type that are not quite over the ear but very large on ear. They are not the deepest of pads, certainly no J-Money and to be honest about 2-3mm more thickness might have just elevated this to very high comfort levels. For now I would day they are relatively comfy fresh out of the box with a rock solid clamp. Isolation is pretty decent also and does what is required when the music gets going. I would say again though if the pads has a bit more depth and memory shaping they might have got the isolation a bit higher but then who knows what would happen to the sound as a result so I don’t recommend opening pandora’s box on that one – stick with the stock initially because there is no real need to mod this can.

Technical Data

Frequency Response: 20 – 27.400 Hz
Nominal Impedance: 35 O
Sound pressure level (1mW/1kHz): 101 dB
Acoustical Principle: Closed
Ear Pads: Synthetic leather, circumaural
Average pressure on the ear: ~5.5 N
Weight w/o cable: 220 g
Connector: Stereo-Multi-Jack 3,5 / 6,3 mm
Spiralcable 1,5 / 3 m

The 8.35D is a 35ohm headphone and as such is a bit of a breeze when it comes to power. 35 ohms will release it from the desktop and give you portability and honestly despite it’s size I do see this potentially as a very good, if somewhat large, portable headphone.

The Sound

For me the GM 8.35D sits above the Aiaiai TMA-1 and the Hd25-1 II and slightly below the Senn HD600/650 class and in direct competition with the Hifiman HE300 and the Beyer DT48′s. I can honestly say that those with a love for slightly darker sounding headphones with a smooth response and a nice bass midhump without loss of articulation will really enjoy the 8.35D. It is cleaner than the TMA-1 with greater clarity in the highs and less claustrophobia and aggression than the HD25-1 II. The cohesion is also much better than the Hifiman HE300. Everything flows with good coherence throughout. The bass is very present on the 8.35d but unlike both of the mobile counterparts is neither in your face or sloppy and slow. The coherence of the sound presentation makes everything almost dreamy and lush rather than pounding and in your face.





I don’t think it is going to suit fast hard hitting high energy rock but interestingly enough I really enjoyed it with R&B, pop and dance and particularly anything with electronics and vocals to the fore. The midbass hump lacks a little slam but this really benefits the coherence with the mids and highs giving the music much more depth without it being a bass nightmare and killing the mids.

A-ha’s “To let you win” off 2000′s “Minor Earth, Major Sky” is just the right pace for these headphones and demonstrates it strengths really well. The clean presentation of Morten Harket’s intimate vocals was very lush and lacked any sibilance (potential problem for close mic work on recordings like this). Certainly the vocals did not get lost with a strong midrange that held it’s own. The highs on the 8.35D show a little roll off at the absolute top end giving it a more relaxed energy and removing potential fatigue with it’s non spiky nature.

One note on rock though – for those that have Graveyard’s 2012 album, “Hisingen Blues” will know that its a really warm close sounding rock album recorded in a very classic rock style. A bass heavy headphone or too warm and veiled and it will sound like pure rubbish. I highly recommend you take the 8.35d for a test run using this album. Outside of top tier headphones this is the first darkish closed headphone that I have seen it do justice to this album. The vocals are perfectly positioned, slightly forward and very clear without taking away from the very grungy garage nature of the band. I tried this album with my UM Merlin’s a few weeks back and was not as impressed as I was with the GM 8.35d in handling this type of sound. I had to switch the Merlin’s to silver cables to get closer to the the 8.35D clarity.





For amping purposes I tried the 8.35am out of the FiiO E9 and E17, the KingRex UD384, uPower and Bravo Audio Ocean Tube Amp all the way up a Schiit Lyr and Burson Audio. One of our staff writers here mentioned the scaling of the 8.35d was not as strong as say some of it’s competitors like the Beyer DT250 and to be honest at 35ohms I did not expect it to scale the heights. It sounded great though out of the FiiO combo and if your dividing your budget between a good quality headphone and some low end amping I don’t think you have any fears from this match up. On the mobile side the E17 is plenty good in it’s own right. Keep the amping clean and the 8.35D is a perfect match for me.

Conclusion

As I mentioned right at the start – this headphone for me was never really on my radar before. It is now. The 8.35D really is a flexible headphone across the genres with the possible exception of more challenging or technical jazz and classical tracks. The musical nature of its SQ allows it to deftly move between garage style rock such as Graveyard to David Guetta and still come out singing. It bass punch is really satisfying without too much boom or sloppiness and it’s strong mids help everything to come out clean in the uppers without any fatiguing or sibilant highs. The easy driving nature gives it a mobility dimension and its build quality makes it one tough son of a gun!

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Re: Gaming Headsets & Audiophile Headphones Thread

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » August 4th, 2012, 2:01 am

ok well I in this headphone audiophile thing 6 years now. the amount I buy and sell back etc.

Most expensive I ever had was the Denon AHD 5000 that I paid close to $5000 for. I sheit you not. But I sold them cause there was little difference between that and the AHD 2000. Mainly plastic cup vs wood.

Anyways truth be told the average Joe won't tell much difference betweena simple $900 Sennheiser HD 555 and a $5000 Denon AHD 5000

I still prefer the sound signature of sennheiser over anything else.

If it were me and had to do it over again I would go sennheiser open back. Note Open back is very important. Massive difference between open back and closed cans.

Only headphone that is closed back and sounds like open back is the Denon AHD series which are very expensive.

So get sennheiser and nothing less. Sennheiser is German Engineering which would explain its greatness.

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » August 6th, 2012, 9:16 pm

^ No good. Poor cheap pads also. Get the HD 555 if they still making them. Also will be a major step up.

Ok i seeing they selling HD 555 for $189 LOL I paid $90 for mine with free shipping.

I remember I paid raptor $900 TT for it 5 years ago I think. Still works and looks like new.

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Postby AGENT RORO » August 6th, 2012, 9:40 pm

EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:^ No good. Poor cheap pads also. Get the HD 555 if they still making them. Also will be a major step up.

Ok i seeing they selling HD 555 for $189 LOL I paid $90 for mine with free shipping.

I remember I paid raptor $900 TT for it 5 years ago I think. Still works and looks like new.

Liked the look of the 449's but I'll consider the 555's
Was looking at some grado's as well

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Postby ru$$ell » August 6th, 2012, 9:46 pm

^cant go wrong with grado.If budget is tight you'll love these as well :

http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD201- ... iser+hd201

dont be fooled by the price,let the review speak for itself,i owned a pair of these already,best budget headphones ever.The only complaint was after long hours of listening,the band got really tight around my head,but then again my head is kinda big as well :oops:

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/sen ... hd-201.php

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Re: Gaming Headsets & Audiophile Headphones Thread

Postby pioneer » August 6th, 2012, 9:59 pm

I just have to LOL@ dr dre beats being the standard used today to determine what makes a good pair of headphones.

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Postby ru$$ell » August 6th, 2012, 10:24 pm

^yep,the mentality today is basically if it doesnt sound lik dr dre beats,its crap. Kinda like the bose "brainwash" syndrome.

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Postby Soundwave » August 7th, 2012, 6:23 am

ru$$ell wrote:^cant go wrong with grado.If budget is tight you'll love these as well :

http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD201- ... iser+hd201

dont be fooled by the price,let the review speak for itself,i owned a pair of these already,best budget headphones ever.The only complaint was after long hours of listening,the band got really tight around my head,but then again my head is kinda big as well :oops:

http://www.headphone.com/headphones/sen ... hd-201.php

I've had the 201's since 2010, they're really good for the price...

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Postby casper » August 7th, 2012, 8:57 am

AGENT RORO wrote:http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-449-Headphones-Black/dp/B005SNPV8K/ref=sr_1_44?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1344300678&sr=1-44
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those 449's ear pads remind me of the cheap material that the turtlebeach x11 had that flakes off after a while and gets all over your ears...for that price they calling for that headphones they should've used something a lil better for the earpads IMO

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003T1 ... rt_title_1

^^^thinking bout ordering one of these to hang my headset on....its getting alot of good reviews...save on clutter of stuff on my desk which i have my headset on at the moment

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Postby casper » August 7th, 2012, 10:02 am

btw...anyone have any experience with the senheisser HD 558 series???

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » August 7th, 2012, 12:10 pm

pioneer wrote:I just have to LOL@ dr dre beats being the standard used today to determine what makes a good pair of headphones.


Yeah them dre is horrible headphones that people running down and paying one set ah big money for.

If price is a problem then you can go with the one russel recommended the cheaper senn or the Grado I like the grado retro look but they work best for rock. You really can't go wrong with any sennheiser. But they won't be comfortable as the HD 555 which goes around the ears. you can wear that for hours and never feel it.

If was me I would wait for Christmas or just keep watching the price on Amazon. the Denon AHD 2000 must drop. its standard price is $350 US. But it is known to drop to $200 US if you REAL lucky. You must check it everyday and have patience.

Here is the link for the denons

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AHD2000-Per ... n+ahd+2000

just keep an eye on it if you interested in it that is.

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » August 7th, 2012, 12:19 pm

check the rating on this nah solid 5 star rating possibly the best of any headphone on amazon and price is right $111 US

I had these a time sold them on tuner here. Better than any beats headphone out there by a million miles. Only reason I sold them cause I wanted the denon.

http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT ... =pd_cp_e_2

Here is also the Denon AHD 1100 its $199 but no discount yet so it will drop for sure to like $130

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AH-D1100-Ad ... =denon+ahd

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Postby casper » August 7th, 2012, 12:55 pm

holy $hit...i just watched the denons....them ting lookin sexy no mc :shock:

i wanttttttttttttttt!!!!!!! :cry:

effectic check the HD 558 for me na...i really considering them...dey claim its an upgrade to the 555's

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » August 7th, 2012, 2:36 pm

^ if its an upgrade then its a good buy but all these headphones expensive right now you can get them cheaper if you wait.

http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-518 ... ser+hd+555

you can consider these its below the HD 555 but its stil real close. wait for it to go under $100

and yes the denon is sexy and when you hear it then you will truly understand. Costly but damn well worth it you never upgrading after them denons d2000

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Postby casper » August 7th, 2012, 2:52 pm

^^^i was watching the 518's as well but was reading reviews bout people saying it have a whole lot more bass than the 555's and the 558's....so much more bass that they tend to sound fake...not a true representation of how sounds sposed to sound...

i dont want excessive bass...i want something that sounds the way it should...and the 555's and the 558's boasts a more natural sound....

i not in a hurry cuz my astro a40s sound pretty decent on movies and songs too...not as good as it does for gaming though but its good enough for me right now...i think i'd wait for black friday sale to pick up the HD 558's or hopefully they'd drop the HD 598's price or ur denons significantly... :lol: ....i rel loving the wood grain 598's though :D

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Postby AGENT RORO » August 7th, 2012, 6:25 pm

EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:check the rating on this nah solid 5 star rating possibly the best of any headphone on amazon and price is right $111 US

I had these a time sold them on tuner here. Better than any beats headphone out there by a million miles. Only reason I sold them cause I wanted the denon.

http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT ... =pd_cp_e_2

Here is also the Denon AHD 1100 its $199 but no discount yet so it will drop for sure to like $130

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AH-D1100-Ad ... =denon+ahd

Between Grado and Sennheiser which deliver better souning bass?

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Postby casper » August 7th, 2012, 6:33 pm

From what I understand...grado is supposed to be the best headphones for rock music...so it should be able to handle bass really well as rock songs have a lot of low bass notes??? I'm not quite sure cuz I never personally got a chance to heard them

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » August 7th, 2012, 7:07 pm

casper wrote:^^^i was watching the 518's as well but was reading reviews bout people saying it have a whole lot more bass than the 555's and the 558's....so much more bass that they tend to sound fake...not a true representation of how sounds sposed to sound...

i dont want excessive bass...i want something that sounds the way it should...and the 555's and the 558's boasts a more natural sound....

i not in a hurry cuz my astro a40s sound pretty decent on movies and songs too...not as good as it does for gaming though but its good enough for me right now...i think i'd wait for black friday sale to pick up the HD 558's or hopefully they'd drop the HD 598's price or ur denons significantly... :lol: ....i rel loving the wood grain 598's though :D

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Nah don't worry about the too much bass. Once the EQ is set to neutral there is little bass. Its nothing like how them car audio does sound. The HD 555 lacks in bass and you have to enable EQ bass boost and stuff.

If you can get them Denons D2000 eh. You won't regret it they are better than Sennheiser and thats quite amazing considering Sennheiser is German. Sale is the thing.

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » August 7th, 2012, 7:16 pm

AGENT RORO wrote:
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:check the rating on this nah solid 5 star rating possibly the best of any headphone on amazon and price is right $111 US

I had these a time sold them on tuner here. Better than any beats headphone out there by a million miles. Only reason I sold them cause I wanted the denon.

http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT ... =pd_cp_e_2

Here is also the Denon AHD 1100 its $199 but no discount yet so it will drop for sure to like $130

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AH-D1100-Ad ... =denon+ahd

Between Grado and Sennheiser which deliver better souning bass?


Grado is better for rock music. Bass guitar etc. It has a warmer sound. Sennheiser has a more laid back sound great for classical music.

Short answer the Grado always has more bass than sennheiser. Quality bass I say they are similar.

Best bass I ever heard in my life is with the Denon AHD 5000. Wodden Cups didn't give the plastic rattle like the AHD 2000.

the AHD 5000 costs $550 US etc. I did get them on sale for like $420 but found the HD 555 to be good enough wasn't a night and day difference to be honest. I did even buy the Moon Audio Silver Dragon cable and stuff for the AHD 5000. Costed $100 US for the cable. Wasn't worth it to be honest. Sounded the same as the Original cable the headphones came with you could barely notice any improvement.

One important factor to consider is a good AMP and DAC. Extremely important people seem to forget this totally.

What makes the Denons so amazing is the impedance is quite low like 25ohms or something so. They don't need a expensive AMP. Senheiser has a high impedance of like 50 or more. The AMP is not for volume though is for quality to bring out the true potential of the headphones. You can get great all in one AMP and DAC for your PC from Asus. The Xonar STX and stuff. Of if your budget small get the Xonar DG which has headphone amp and it costs like $30 on Amazon. The STX costs like $150 etc

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » August 7th, 2012, 7:21 pm

You will find this hard to believe but this thing is about Audiophile Quality DAC and AMP and only costs $70.

http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-Portable-Hea ... s=fiio+E11

Trust me mainboard DAC is terrible you can hear the difference with these high end headphones with all the static coming from the mainboard. You won't hear it in a blind test but if you go after and hear it on a proper sound card you will realize the gigantic difference.

You need good DAC and AMP if you intend to use these headphones with mainboard sound then please don't spend more than $50 on a headphone you will regret it. Cause they so precise they picks up all the fault in cheap mainboard sound chips and makes it sound worst than a cheap one.

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Postby casper » August 8th, 2012, 12:02 pm

effectic....does "on ear" headphones sound good??? reason i asked this is because i realise some really top of the line headphones from respectable brands are still goin "on ear" rather than "over ear"...exacple...some of those same grados..for some reason everytime i think of high end headphones i always think of them being "over ear"

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » August 8th, 2012, 12:12 pm

On ear sounds almost just as good but over the ear is always better. Disadvantage is over the ear isn't portable. You can go to the park with your grados but no way in hell you going with over the ear headphones LOL

On ear always hurt your ears after time. Over the ear never ever hurts you can wear it for 8 hours straight and not feel it.

Though I currently use these for when I go to the park for my evening exercise

http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-Image-Noi ... klipsch+S3

Great for the price and have not shorted on anyside as yet and they get real abuse. Please DO NOT buy sony anything from sony. I paid $50 US on amazon for a Sony ear bud and one side went dead in 3 months. Sennheiser also has terrible quality ear buds dont buy sennheiser ear buds. I also wasted $40 US on sennheiser ear buds and it shorted out.

So far only earbuds that withstand a good period of time I noticed is the Klipsch

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Postby Soundwave » August 8th, 2012, 1:30 pm

ON EAR HURTS LIKE MAD AFTER A WHILE FOR ME, YES I'M SHOUTING....CUZ THEY HURT DAMMIT...

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Soundwave wrote:ON EAR HURTS LIKE MAD AFTER A WHILE FOR ME, YES I'M SHOUTING....CUZ THEY HURT DAMMIT...


^^^this

i've always had MAJOR discomfort with on ear over long listening sessions...so much discomfort to the point that they really hurt my poor ears :(

how good are the Grados?? they come really highly recommended...but i cant seem to wrap my head around this whole "on ear" scn :?

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » August 8th, 2012, 3:05 pm

^ remember over the ear REAL heavy eh. Will feel light for a while but after it gets damn heavy and your neck does crack hard when u ready LOL. Well maybe its cause my head so frecking big heavy but who knows.

I still find that Grado retro look to be the sexiest of all.

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Postby casper » August 8th, 2012, 3:15 pm

yea Grado's retro design looks really nice....but they look very uncomfortable and as if they'd break easily...especially the headband...i really loving the look though...but the ear cups look really uncomfortable as they are small circles...but hey i won't know cuz i never tried them

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Postby DVSTT » August 8th, 2012, 9:10 pm

EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:check the rating on this nah solid 5 star rating possibly the best of any headphone on amazon and price is right $111 US

I had these a time sold them on tuner here. Better than any beats headphone out there by a million miles. Only reason I sold them cause I wanted the denon.

http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-AT ... =pd_cp_e_2

Here is also the Denon AHD 1100 its $199 but no discount yet so it will drop for sure to like $130

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AH-D1100-Ad ... =denon+ahd


Which of these is better when you factor in price and build quality?

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Postby DVSTT » August 8th, 2012, 9:12 pm

Oh, you can track amazon pricing with this
http://camelcamelcamel.com/

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Postby casper » August 8th, 2012, 9:14 pm

Audio technica's ath m50 lookin like a bess buy

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