Caribbean Airline aircraft crashes in Guyana!

[bluefete]

Jeez, this incidence make news on bbc (leading story), msn and yahoo. Hope it doesn't negatively affect CAL's reputation.

It certainly will. For a time anyway.

[mediahouse]

at 4:16 d lady say " she foot bussway " lol

[RASC]

Thank Goodness no lives were lost...

[real_d20]

Was going from JFK, stopped off in Trini, then crash landed in Guyana. Bad weather conditions attributed to the crash as claimed.

http://jyoticommunication.blogspot.com/ ... l?spref=fb

[bluefete]

That report from Guyana - Nothing in place for an aviation disaster. Absolutely nothing. What if there was a fire?

George Nicholas III has some very hard questions to answer - as CHAIRMAN of CAL!!!

That is what happens when personal relationships and money cloud common sense!!!!!!!!!!

That Captain and co-pilot = Lorse wuk!!!

[real_d20]

Nah boi, them pilots should probably thank god for no loss of life!

[bluefete]

Was going from JFK, stopped off in Trini, then crash landed in Guyana. Bad weather conditions attributed to the crash as claimed.

http://jyoticommunication.blogspot.com/ ... l?spref=fb

Bad weather????? Really???? In Guyana???????? Rain & Fog??????? Really??????? Spin Doctors at work already?????????

How many times have CAL pilots landed safely in rain and fog / low visibility conditions?

[bluefete]

Nah boi, they pilots should probably be thanks for no loss of life!

I agree. And that is a good thing. But this was not a bird strike. And the plane did not land in the Hudson River.

But remember - one plane written off and I am really hoping that it is NOT the brand new one they got on Thursday.

[real_d20]

Yup, like i'm saying, the spins starts. From what i just saw in the clip, pilot error and panic!

[bluefete]

Yup, like i'm saying, the spins starts. From what i just saw in the clip, pilot error and panic!

Agreed. Still waiting on Norstar2K to come in.

[Yeo]

GEORGETOWN, Guyana — A Caribbean Airlines jet coming from New York crashed and broke in two while landing in Guyana with 163 people aboard on Saturday, causing several injuries but no deaths, said President Bharrat Jagdeo.

The Boeing 737-800 apparently overshot the 7,400-foot (2,200-meter) runway at Cheddi Jagan International Airport in rainy weather. It barely missed a 200-foot (60-meter) ravine that could have resulted in dozens of fatalities, he said.

"We are very, very grateful that more people were not injured," he said as authorities closed the airport, leaving hundreds of passengers stranded and delaying dozens of flights. The cause of the crash was not immediately clear.

Authorities struggled at first to remove passengers without adequate field lights and other emergency equipment. About 100 people received medical attention, with four hospitalized for serious injuries, said Devant Maharaj, transportation minister in Trinidad, where Caribbean Airlines is based.

He said the company is sending a team to Guyana to help investigate the crash. No further details were available. Maharaj spoke at a press conference in Trinidad and took no questions, saying the investigation is ongoing.

Among the injured was Geeta Ramsingh, 41, of Philadelphia, who said passengers had just started to applaud the touchdown "when it turned to screams," she said, pointing to bruises on her knees. She said she hopped onto the wing and then onto the dirt road outside the runway fence.

"I am upset that no one came to rescue us in the dark, but a taxi driver appeared from nowhere and charged me $20 to take me to the terminal. I had to pay, but in times of emergencies, you don't charge people for a ride," she said, sitting on a chair in the arrival area surrounded by relatives. She was returning to her native country for only the second time in 30 years.

Adis Cambridge, 42, of Guyana, said she felt the thump of a hard landing but did not think much of it until seconds later.

"I realized that everything was on top of me, people and bags. I was the second to last person to get off that plane in the dark," she said, surrounded by her two young children who had come to the airport to meet her after a brief holiday in the U.S.

"I hit my head on the roof. It was so scary," she said as she described hopping onto the wing and then jumping down to the dirt road below as crews with flashlights and beams from fire engines searched for passengers.

Some passengers asked authorities for their luggage but were told it was not a priority at the time.

The plane had left New York and made a stop in Trinidad before landing in Guyana. The airline said it was carrying 157 passengers and six crewmembers.

Jagdeo said he has asked the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board to help investigate the crash. He said crews were pushing to reopen the airport as soon as possible.

The crash of Flight BW523 is the worst in recent history in Guyana, and only one of the few serious incidents involving the Trinidad-based airline. It is the single largest carrier in the region, operating at least five daily flights.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43954430/ns ... -americas/

[JJ16]

Was going from JFK, stopped off in Trini, then crash landed in Guyana. Bad weather conditions attributed to the crash as claimed.

http://jyoticommunication.blogspot.com/ ... l?spref=fb

hmm i highly doubt it was that

Metars:
SYCJ 300700Z 00000KT 9000 BKN015 24/24 Q1008 NOSIG
SYCJ 300600Z 00000KT 9000 BKN015 24/24 Q1008 NOSIG
SYCJ 300500Z 00000KT 9000 -SHRA FEW014CB BKN015 25/24 Q1009 CB-NE-ENE NOSIG
SYCJ 300423Z 00000KT 9999 TS FEW015CB SCT016 CB-NE-ENE NOSIG
SYCJ 300400Z 00000KT 9999 FEW016 24/24 Q1009 NOSIG
SYCJ 300300Z 00000KT 9999 FEW016 25/24 Q1010 NOSIG
SYCJ 300200Z 00000KT 9999 FEW017 SCT300 25/24 Q1010 NOSIG
SYCJ 300100Z 00000KT 9999 FEW017 SCT300 25/24 Q1010 NOSIG

...i don't see any bad weather here.....

[*$kїđž!™]

glad there were no fatalities......

well good thing is guyana...so ppl can say its guyana's fault........lol.....

[pj15]

To give contrast the runway length difference between us and them

TTPP (us) : 10,500ft
SYCJ (them) :7,448ft

These aircraft capable of stopping even in 3000ft of runway. But "it is alleged" that the pilot is squarely to blame. With a full load of passengers anything after 1000ft from the threshold is a rejected take off, if he thought he could have stopped he was certainly wrong.

*PS*
Notice the difference in the AA crash and the BW crash, the BW crash not "dirty" ie the flaps and slats are retracted. Could this pilot have retracted them as he rejected the take off? (a no no)

[NorStar2K]

Norstar2K - Where are you buddy?

The CAL EOC has been activated and TTCAA is currently in GEO conducting the investigation.

Can't say much more at this point.

Everyone has there own speculations as to the cause, but the investigation would determine the root cause of the incident.

Several factors would have to be assessed:
1. Anything involving acts/attempted unlawful acts again the safety and security of civil aviation.
2. Weather/Environmental conditions
3. Human Factors - Pilot Error
4. Mechanical - Aircraft, GEO ILS equipment functionality
5. Combination of any/all of the above.
6. Services/Support - ATC/AIS at arrival station
7. Maintenance - Tech Logs/Records - A and C check status

[NorStar2K]

Nah boi, they pilots should probably be thanks for no loss of life!

I agree. And that is a good thing. But this was not a bird strike. And the plane did not land in the Hudson River.

But remember - one plane written off and I am really hoping that it is NOT the brand new one they got on Thursday.

Nah, its a leased aircraft.

[tr1ad]

Ah stranded in CJ airport.....
Ah loss meh grip too


Thankfully no lives were lost

[S_2NR]

Good thing no lives were lost.
Makes you wonder if its the pilot fault or if it was a mechanical problem (which i doubt) like air brakes failing.

[~Vēġó~]

I never liked this CAL name.....I much prefer BWIA.....

glad situation wasn't worse though...

[Monk BANzai]

Probably get a bad fly.

ah sorry eh LOrd...but..

[bluefete]

Norstar2K - Where are you buddy?

The CAL EOC has been activated and TTCAA is currently in GEO conducting the investigation.

Can't say much more at this point.

Everyone has there own speculations as to the cause, but the investigation would determine the root cause of the incident.

Several factors would have to be assessed:
1. Anything involving acts/attempted unlawful acts again the safety and security of civil aviation.
2. Weather/Environmental conditions
3. Human Factors - Pilot Error
4. Mechanical - Aircraft, GEO ILS equipment functionality
5. Combination of any/all of the above.
6. Services/Support - ATC/AIS at arrival station
7. Maintenance - Tech Logs/Records - A and C check status

Thanks.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

glad no fatalities, watching the news and passengers saying they jump out the plane yes,wdmc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! another guy says the pilot landed short of the runway.

[Cid]

at 4:16 d lady say " she foot bussway " lol

hahahahaha somebody do ah remix ah dis nah hoss........it go be epic.....lol lol

if ah had video editing skillz ah woulda give it ah try eh but ah go fail...

[ATIL]

Guyana's airport is rated a Catagory 2 = not meeting international civil aviation standards...

Anyone who ever flew into guyana at night knows the runway lighting isnt goo

Lets wait to hear what the investigation says before bashing our pilots people

[Habit7]

[S_2NR]

Guyana's airport is rated a Catagory 2 = not meeting international civil aviation standards...

Anyone who ever flew into guyana at night knows the runway lighting isnt goo

good thing i never needed/wanted to go there.
rather not experience that!

[ATIL]

This was two years ago

Aviation safety rating points to local deficiencies

By Stabroek staff | 14 Comments | Local News | Tuesday, July 21, 2009 Updated: 11:10 am

Guyana has been rated a Category 2 under the International Aviation Safety Assessment (IASA) programme, which means that it does not comply with International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) standards.

Guyana is among countries such as Bangladesh, Cote D’Ivoire, Croatia, Ghana and Indonesia, which are rated as Category 2 countries. This was in last year’s assessment which was issued on December 18.

The United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) established the IASA programme through public policy in August 1992. FAA’s foreign assessment programme focuses on a country’s ability, not the individual air carrier, to adhere to international standards and recommended practices for aircraft operations and maintenance established by the United Nation’s technical agency for aviation, the ICAO.

Contacted for comment last evening, Transport Minister Robeson Benn said that he was in a meeting.

For those countries rated under Category 2, it means that the FAA has “assessed this country’s civil aviation authority (CAA) and determined that it does not provide safety oversight of its air carrier operators in accordance with the minimum safety oversight standards established by the ICAO.”

According to the FAA’s website, this rating is applied if one or more of the following deficiencies are identified: 1) The country lacks laws or regulations necessary to support the certification and oversight of air carriers in accordance with minimum international standards; 2) the CAA lacks the technical expertise, resources, and organization to license or oversee air carrier operations; 3) the CAA does not have adequately trained and qualified technical personnel; 4) the CAA does not provide adequate inspector guidance to ensure enforcement of, and compliance with, minimum international standards, and (5) the CAA has insufficient documentation and records of certification and inadequate continuing oversight and surveillance of air carrier operations.

Recently there have been several incidents in the local aviation sector. The most recent was the July 5 near miss involving a LIAT aircraft which was inbound to the Cheddi Jagan International Airport (CJIA), Timehri and a Learjet which had minutes earlier departed the airport for Jamaica. Reports are that around 2 pm that day, the LIAT aircraft was proceeding to CJIA when it came within hundreds of feet of the Learjet. The Guyana Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA) has launched an investigation into that incident.

In addition, there have been calls over the years, which have grown urgent recently, for an upgrade of the air traffic control systems at the CJIA.

Calls have come from air traffic controllers as well as the Aircraft Owners Associa-tion of Guyana.

Concerns had been raised about the airport’s navigational aids including the Instrument Landing System (ILS), the Non Directional Beacon (NDB), Distance Measuring Equipment (DME) and the Automatic Distance Finder (ADF).

Meantime, according to the FAA, Category 2 consists of two groups of countries. One group consists of countries that have air carriers with existing operations to the United States at the time of the assessment.

While in Category 2 status, carriers from these countries will be permitted to continue operations at current levels under heightened FAA surveillance. Expansion or changes in services to the United States by such carriers are not permitted while in category 2, although new services will be permitted if operated using aircraft wet-leased from a duly authorized and properly supervised US carrier or a foreign air carrier from a category 1 country that is authorized to serve the United States using its own aircraft.

The second group is countries that do not have air carriers with existing operations to the United States at the time of the assessment. Carriers from these countries will not be permitted to commence service to the United States while in Category 2 status, although they may conduct services if operated using aircraft wet-leased from a duly authorized and properly supervised US carrier or a foreign air carrier from a Category 1 country that is authorized to serve the United States with its own aircraft. There is no other difference between the two groups of countries while in a Category 2 status.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2009/news/s ... iciencies/

[JJ16]

Im sorry but i recall going to is it, St.Vincent, and my gosh, that runway is tiny, the plane had to "charge" up before taking off, i was rather confused

[SmokeyGTi]

well that is fcuked up....

[JJ16]

who say air crash investigator caribbean airlines edition