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Postby zcarz » January 16th, 2010, 10:51 pm

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zcarz wrote:this seems vaguely familiar, dare i say REEPOST!!!!


it was the newspaper article about the report, this is the report itself

yes.. i retract my statement

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nes123 wrote:someone delete the document ?? :? allyuh feel uncle pattos on tuner?


document still there

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Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 11th, 2011, 12:36 pm

newsday.co.tt wrote:PP's $340m plan to save youths from life of crime
By Andre Bagoo Sunday, September 11 2011

THE STATE is to move forward with an ambitious plan to tackle gang crime by luring young males away from gang life and into sport, in a nationwide programme in which participants will be paid $1,500 a month.

Cabinet last Thursday approved the first phase of the $340 million “Lifesport” programme, which was unveiled by Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar last Sunday amid a suite of measures aimed at mapping out a plan of action to deal with crime.

The programme, which is to target males in vulnerable communities, will see an initial 1,800 males selected for a two-year programme in development through football, basketball, cricket and athletics. Participants will be paid a stipend of $1,500 per month to assist with programme costs.

The pilot phase of the programme, approved by Cabinet last week, will focus on 30 specific “at risk” communities, including Bagatelle; Covigne Road; St Paul Street; Enterprise, Edinburgh 500; Caparo; Pinto Road; Arima; Morgua; La Brea and Fyzabad.

A second phase, which will see the programme roll out to 38 other communities nationwide, is due to be considered for final approval by the Cabinet this Thursday. A final list of vulnerable communities is to be determined based on set criteria linked to standard of living survey information. The second phase will see the nationwide recruitment of 2,200 males. The programme is expected to cost the Treasury $170 million per year over two years. Performance is to be constantly evaluated by clear criteria.

“The programme is a hybrid between a sports development programme and a training programme,” Sport Minister Anil Roberts told Sunday Newsday.

“It is being set up in order to act as an intervention in these communities. It is also being set up to identify talent and to create other avenues to get these young men into the mainstream, to make them believe that there is a place for them in the country. It is meant to give them something to turn to instead of gangs.”

Roberts said youths will be trained in sport, but also will be groomed to themselves become coaches and managers of community sporting facilities.

“This is also meant to increase our intellectual capital to stock our community sporting facilities with trained management personnel,” he said.

The Sports Minister said participants in the programme will be evaluated according to set performance manuals and criteria depending on what their field of study is.

Roberts said the Ministries of Sport and Finance have started a process to oversee the appointment of an organisational team to fine-tune and implement the programme. The programme is meant to be accessed by applications which may be lodged at the Ministry of Sport, with plans for forms to be made available at constituency offices.

According to criminologists, more than half (59 percent) of the victims of fatal firearm assaults are males aged 15-34 years. Young men, including those just out of prison and with little prospect of employment, are targeted by drug dealers. Sociological factors also arguably play a role in the fascination of male youth with guns.

Outlining the programme in Parliament last Sunday, Persad-Bissessar said it aims “to provide an alternative opportunity for 1,800 anti-social young males to be involved in positive development through sport by 2013”. Its objectives, she said, are: to train young people in a specific sporting technique for two years by 2013; to foster the development of 10-20 percent of participants as emerging athletes to become outstanding sport performers; to ready a cadre of 80-90 per cent of young males, through social skills and psychological training, for entry to certified industry specific and other forms of apprenticeship training; to develop a cadre of young males to become certified coaches in the disciplines of football, windball cricket and basketball; and to bring about social transformation of participants through sport by fostering and developing attributes of self-image, self-confidence and self-concept.

“And these are merely some of the initiatives this Government is pursuing to target crime at every level and from every direction,” Persad-Bissessar said.

The social programme was one of dozens of initiative announced by Persad-Bissessar last week as the State, under pressure to tackle soaring crime levels, moves to demonstrate its resolve to break the cycle of gang culture and violence. Under the first 19 days of the state of emergency, there have been ten murders, compared with 28 murders during the 19-day period before the emergency was called. Of the ten murders, four have been linked to domestic disputes, while none have yet been conclusively tied to gang activity. More than 438 arrests, of a total of more than 1,707, have been tied to gang-related offences. (See page 14)

Counselling psychologist, Anna Maria Mora, yesterday welcomed the use of a sport programme, but warned that if it is to have a genuine impact it must properly cater to the complexity of the task of dealing with youth.

“It can make a difference,” she said.

“But if these sport programmes are to succeed there needs to be intervention in homes and parenting programmes for the parents of these children, or else it will go the way of many other programmes over the years.”

She added, “We need to have more social workers involved, just as we have more soldiers and police officers on the streets. There needs to be a cadre of behaviour change specialists and psychologists working with these people. There has got to be a safety net around these people if we want them to grow into productive citizens.”

Mora, who is a deputy COP political leader, also urged the State not to fall into the trap of labelling young males as “at risk” individuals or criminals.

“We have to reorganise the way we look at young people. If you look at them as potential criminals, we are going to put things in place to change them into that. It is complicated and many of us have been talking for years and years and they have to start to listen. They did not listen after 1990 and what we have now has mushroomed from that,” she said.
http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,147049.html

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby rollingstock » September 11th, 2011, 1:48 pm

Hate to be the pessimist, but that will fail.
The mindset of these gang members are of such a way that they will see this as another hand out.

I don't believe in begging or cajoling someone to follow the law and worst yet offering monetary gifts. Let them work for their money.

These same millions can be better spent on social services for the same persons living in these crime infested areas instead of babying these arsehole gang members.

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Postby achillies » September 11th, 2011, 2:08 pm

what ah joke.......

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Stephon. » September 11th, 2011, 2:23 pm

rollingstock wrote:Hate to be the pessimist, but that will fail.
The mindset of these gang members are of such a way that they will see this as another hand out.

I don't believe in begging or cajoling someone to follow the law and worst yet offering monetary gifts. Let them work for their money.

These same millions can be better spent on social services for the same persons living in these crime infested areas instead of babying these arsehole gang members.

THIS! The would take the money because "the govt supposed to take care of them" and do what they were doing all along. How much you wanna bet when this is going on and a crime is committed, one of the people of the community will use an excuse similar to "The government cyah expect ah man to live on only 1500"

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Chimera » September 11th, 2011, 2:40 pm

cudda spend that money to pay more police officers to beat the bandits into submission.

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby rollingstock » September 11th, 2011, 3:01 pm

ABA Trading LTD wrote:cudda spend that money to pay more police officers to beat the bandits into submission.


I like this idea, Aba for PM

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby WarrLordd » September 11th, 2011, 4:28 pm

Lol what a joke.

What happen to we time now they focusing on these guntas to much now.
First they getting a choice got free tut using gates and that fail so when they resolve to crime we pay them to stay out of trouble.

I agree hire more police I love to see police do their daily walks and routes like how newyork does do it. Every 30 min or so u does see a police around. Trinidad to laid back.

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby DFC » September 11th, 2011, 5:06 pm

them cant be for real !!

This free handout will be thoroughly abused by the gang members.

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Postby rollingstock » September 11th, 2011, 5:46 pm

Funny the PP backpedal wrt increased pensions, their constant cry of no money to pay increased salaries for public servants, but of course they can afford to pay gang members.
This government is ah waste ah forkin time.

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Postby brams112 » September 11th, 2011, 5:57 pm

just free money for lazy mudder fcukers,let them work if they don't just harvest their organs,there are plenty people out here who want to live but have a bad organ,either lungs or kidneys

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby hustla_ambition101 » September 11th, 2011, 6:00 pm

Amazing, people with degrees forced to slave as an OJT for 2 years and when that over you lucky to get a job. How much qualified young people out there begging for jobs and these fools just handing out free money to the losers of society. First $5K for released prisoners now this. In addition to that I see they giving Wayne Chance and his Vision on a Mission millions in dollars for some "rehab facility". The same ex con who although had no income while being in prison got out and built a mini mansion in Malabar, I can't trust no convict with taxpayers money. It seems that this gov't is hell bent on creating even more dependency programs than the former administration.

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 11th, 2011, 6:15 pm

why should my tax money be taken to pay these unproductive members of society? so they can go and run ball during the day while I working hard to pay the govt tax?

DFC wrote:them cant be for real !!

This free handout will be thoroughly abused by the gang members.
it is alleged CEPEP and URP they had ghost gangs collecitng money. Men named Michael Jackson and Bruce Willis on the roster collecting money and one man passing to collect their salary on their behalf

just another chance for bobol

ABA Trading LTD wrote:cudda spend that money to pay more police officers to beat the bandits into submission.
I agree!

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby K74T » September 11th, 2011, 6:32 pm

STEUPS

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Strauss » September 11th, 2011, 8:02 pm

*collects $1500*
*dance their dance*
*go back to gang in the nights*


How about "Go go in gangs or we gun your ass down" ?

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Postby pugboy » September 11th, 2011, 9:20 pm

it would be better to make them fellas do some mandatory conscription service

we may not like it but the reality is that there are a few generations of people who have grown up on handouts and banditry and they multiplying fast
apart from givng them lanate, the only option is to give them something so they don't rob us

pnm understands this, which is why urp/cepep is an integral part of their manifesto

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Apollo Trinidad » September 11th, 2011, 9:56 pm

money to finance weapons & drugs boi......oh yes pm!

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby cacasplat3 » September 11th, 2011, 10:00 pm

ABA Trading LTD wrote:cudda spend that money to pay more police officers to beat the bandits into submission.

this!


this going to blow up in their faces.........might be the nail in the coffin that removes them from office.........

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Postby redmanjp » September 11th, 2011, 11:42 pm

Strauss wrote:*collects $1500*
*dance their dance*
*go back to gang in the nights*


How about "Go go in gangs or we gun your ass down" ?


i hope they take back the $1500, & fine them $1500 when they go back to the gangs

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby nareshseep » September 11th, 2011, 11:52 pm

BALLS .... TOTAL BALLS ... how de france is that sustainable... my hardworking $$ to funds these neemakaram? Now dont get me wrong if it is to work the land and provide food for the nation, I will support that but not this... If is for them to learn trade ... YEAH ... but this is the nail is coffin..

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 12th, 2011, 2:02 am

nareshseep wrote:BALLS .... TOTAL BALLS ... how de france is that sustainable... my hardworking $$ to funds these neemakaram? Now dont get me wrong if it is to work the land and provide food for the nation, I will support that but not this... If is for them to learn trade ... YEAH ... but this is the nail is coffin..
I liking the idea of paying them to work the land to provide food for the nation - though yuh know an investigation next 5 years will show massive ganga fields in between the ochro and eddoes - 1 is 1

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby speedaholic » September 12th, 2011, 2:29 am

so why d phoq dey cant get jobs like everyone else? what makes them so special? :S

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » September 12th, 2011, 3:21 am

Wait Wait Wait Wait

Ent UNC was bragging how PNM was causing dependency syndrome by giving food cards and jobs in URP and thing?

Now they facking giving away the money FREEE??????

Yuh mean to say ah doh even have to learn to build ah concrete drain self for the cash? I eh even have to wuk 1 day self? $1500 just like that?

Holy dog sh!t batman. We so facked. They might jack up tax on Vehicles for this.

No wait ent we don't pay tax if we work for less than $5k a month? somehow I feel them good days is over. somebody hadda wuk and pay for these gang members $1500 a month salary.

I cah wait for them to strike and say they want ah 15% increase.

Yes they can strike from doing nothing. They will find a way.

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » September 12th, 2011, 3:28 am

So RASC was right all along then?

Not a fan of the PNM never have and never will. But atleast manning tried to make them do some wuk for the money. We laugh at them painting stone, guess what atleast the ones painting the stone actually doing something.

You cannot just giveaway free money to young healthy fcking people as if they are disabled or something like that. What kind of horse sh!t example we setting for the future Generation?

The man that go profit here is the one selling the guns because from what I understand, an illegal gun costs around $1500. So sad.

You giving Gang members just enough money to buy a fcking Gun. They gonna use this gun to rob stores and kill more security guards etc. You might aswell call this the Youth pension plan.

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Re: Gov't to pay $1500/month to stay out of gangs

Postby [X]~Outlaw » September 12th, 2011, 7:50 am

Strauss wrote:How about "Go go in gangs or we gun your ass down" ?


Could not have said it better!

This is just ridiculous, this is just another handout reenforcing the "government owe us mentality".

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