The *Official* LOCAL Election Thread (2013)

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[zoom rader]

D whole of carrera vote PNM , home

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NEWS: Unofficial results indicate that the PNM has completed a clean sweep in the PT Fortin Borough Corporation.

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I am just wondering, what do PNM supporters vote for? Clearly it is not about performance. The people of Point Fortin and environs have suffered with water woes since independence. Under this administration, a water desalination plant was completed on time and budget in Point Fortin. They have now moved from a 24/1 and 24/2 supply to 24/5 and 24/7 supply respectively.

The borough has for years complained of poor roads and inadequate infrastructure. They are getting the highway as well.

What do PNM supporters vote for? It is clearly not for representation or performance.

What has the PNM done for east PoS?

well wha i could tell yuh bai.
tell kamla thanks for the water supply **shrugs**

[j.o.e]

No more green man...d green man gone!!

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[SiR8081]

I am just wondering, what do PNM supporters vote for? Clearly it is not about performance. The people of Point Fortin and environs have suffered with water woes since independence. Under this administration, a water desalination plant was completed on time and budget in Point Fortin. They have now moved from a 24/1 and 24/2 supply to 24/5 and 24/7 supply respectively.

The borough has for years complained of poor roads and inadequate infrastructure. They are getting the highway as well.

What do PNM supporters vote for? It is clearly not for representation or performance.

Yeah I applaud the PP for the desal plant. But Point Fortin residents might still be also grateful for the PNM establishing one of the world's biggest methanol plants in their area and the prosperous jobs that come with it. But like Tobago and Chaguanas, the election was meant to also send a signal to the gov't that it is being rejected. Many like to lump ILP and PP votes against the PNM, but ILP and PNM are both votes against the PP and its governance

What has the PNM done for east PoS?

Well they were trying despite the UNC best efforts against it.

Well I agree that votes for the ILP were a rejection of the govt with the majority of the rejection coming from the persons who elected not to vote at all. (40% vs 20%)

Looking at the results PNM got 112,000 votes compared to 130,000 votes in 2010. What I am getting at is that election year in election year out, the same people go out and vote for pnm regardless of the issues or political climate.

The PNM is a minority party as it has always been and they rely on persons not voting for the other parties to secure their victory as their voter base is basically constant.

This conclusion is based on 130,000 votes in 2010 securing 3 corporations vs 112,000 securing 8 corporations this yr.

[wagonrunner]

They rely on persons not voting for the other parties to secure their victory as their voter base is basically constant.

This conclusion is based on 130,000 votes in 2010 securing 3 corporations vs 112,000 securing 8 corporations this yr.

ok then.
well if it working i guess.................. for how many decades again..............

[Habit7]

I think you are not considering the voter turn out percentage. 130,000 in a 2010 37% turnout compared to 114,000 in a 2013 26% is actually an increase.

The greatest implication is how the PP voters chose to stay away or vote ILP.

[SiR8081]

I think you are not considering the voter turn out percentage. 130,000 in a 2010 37% turnout compared to 114,000 in a 2013 26% is actually an increase.

The greatest implication is how the PP voters chose to stay away or vote ILP.

I not following what you saying wrt me not considering the voter turn out percentage.

I agree that greatest implication is the rejection of the PP by people choosing to stay home or to a lesser extent, vote ILP.

[16 cycles]

someone jus said PNM is a minority party.....????

the hell....i read that????

[j.o.e]

^^^^ it was so much toots I ignored it

[pete]

Well, what all the parties need to focus on for the next year and half is how to get more people to go out and vote. Sad that people would rather not vote and let just 26% of the population decide how they want things run than to take an hour out of their life to vote who may/may not be better.

[wagonrunner]

pete, when you simply cannot support (and look yourself in the mirror after) any of the above options?
what is the option if you find none worth your finger stain?

[zoom rader]

someone jus said PNM is a minority party.....????

the hell....i read that????

It wasn't me
But in carrera they have the majority vote

[New_SPECIES]

^^^^^ follow d thing nah rfari, the article doesn't prove he didn't get a kick back....so that means he did....BRILLIANT!!!

I dunno wha have me more confused; the double negative or the level of dotish newspecies achieve in one post :/

Although 2NR is filled with: "Broken Trini", "Shorthand Tex", "Yankee", "Patois" and "Gibberish"...

Here I am being bashed for a Double Negative!

I guess that the best response that you could have come up with…congrats!


You don't think I know you and Habit7 playing Tag Team to win hypocrite of the year.

The point I was trying to make is that none of you can remove the PNM from corruption allegations with any confirming evidence because you have none!
The only info you have and run with…… is what is told to you by the PNM…. (i.e. here-say).

Especially since the PNM are experts at "hiding for each other" and "covering their tracks" while they are involved in corruption.

Hence the reason for the endless un-answered questions and un-resolved issues during their tenure.

[wagonrunner]

The point I was trying to make is that none of you can remove the PNM from corruption allegations with any confirming evidence because you have none!

I think I understand now.
So for example Kamla could then be accused of being intelligent, with strong leadership skills despite demonstration of either?

[pete]

pete, when you simply cannot support (and look yourself in the mirror after) any of the above options?
what is the option if you find none worth your finger stain?

Well, have to look at it like even if you don't vote someone is going to be voted in. Look for who you dislike the least. Surely they aren't all equal.

To me, it's better to do that than to just say home and keep your finger clean..

[kjaglal76]

The point I was trying to make is that none of you can remove the PNM from corruption allegations with any confirming evidence because you have none!

I think I understand now.
So for example Kamla could then be accused of being intelligent, with strong leadership skills despite demonstration of either?

FAIL

[wagonrunner]

Well, have to look at it like even if you don't vote someone is going to be voted in. Look for who you dislike the least. Surely they aren't all equal.

To me, it's better to do that than to just say home and keep your finger clean..

It's not a matter of dislike pete. It's a matter of principle. How do you support a principle you are against?

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[SiR8081]

someone jus said PNM is a minority party.....????

the hell....i read that????

The PNM won 43% of the votes cast with 56% going to the PP and ILP.

With 74% of the population eligible to vote rejecting all 3 parties by electing not to vote.

I expected the PNM to get more votes (>130,000) at this time when there is a strong anti-PP sentiment as opposed to last time in 2010 where there was strong anti-pnm sentiment and yet they got 16,000 less votes this year than in 2010.

[wagonrunner]

That minority party isn't the largest unintegrated political force?
And by your definition, once you're in opposition you're going to be the minority party.
So the longest standing "minority" would be..................... ?

[New_SPECIES]

The point I was trying to make is that none of you can remove the PNM from corruption allegations with any confirming evidence because you have none!

I think I understand now.
So for example Kamla could then be accused of being intelligent, with strong leadership skills despite demonstration of either?

Because my recent comments were against the PNM it doesn't automatically mean that I support Kamla or Jack etc.

I was just being objective..

I also agree that Kamla lacks leadership skills etc...

But I am confused with your follow up assumption though, because if Kamla is claimed to have leadership skills that she does not show when required then that is proof that the claim is wrong... And if Kamla is assumed to be intelligent but make decisions, appointments, deals, etc without thought then that is proof of a "stupidity", etc...

What I was showing, is that the population is never exposed to "true transparency" when it comes to any political deal or decision.

Therefore when issues are raised, the same way you can't prove them guilty is the same way you can't prove them innocent, leaving only hanging questions.

Hence the reason why it is so easy to get away with corruption in Politics, especially in Trinidad.

The so called "independent" Integrity Commission, is always easily swayed and the Media is manipulated.

In a nut shell... the corruption is known due to the questionable decisions, deals and mysterious project delays.... but most of the times it just cannot be proven either way.

[RASC]

Man the sourness cyar done... ah loving it.

PNM is minority party now

Oh gawd oye

[kjaglal76]

That minority party isn't the largest unintegrated political force?
And by your definition, once your in opposition you're going to be the minority party.
So the longest standing "minority" would be..................... ?

yes, once you in opposition u can be classified as "minority", take some time off yur usual incoherent rant & run a google search

minority because dey only got 12 seats, as opposed to PPG who had the majority

[wagonrunner]

yes, once you in opposition u can be classified as "minority", take some time off yur usual incoherent rant & run a google search

minority because dey only got 12 seats, as opposed to PPG who had the majority

Is comprehension really that difficult?

That minority party isn't the largest unintegrated political force?
So the longest standing "minority" would be..................... ?

[kjaglal76]

ask yurself if comprehension is that hard!!!

idk how it relevant who was minority for the longest, idk educate me

as it stands TODAY/NOW PNM is the minority party, matter fact PPG has nvr been in minority

[j.o.e]

dan yuh talkin tats...... PNM can't be a minority party if they just fight an election against UNC/COP,ILP,MSJ...now go read your definition again

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