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agent007 wrote:When UNC candidates don't get re-selected, they get vex and either with-hold their vote or switch parties. When PNM candidates get rejected, they run back to the polls, stain their fingers and shout great is the PNM. She have a 2000 signature petition and sections of Couva North looks like Chernobyl and Aleppo. Hear what Ramona, join Carolyn in the corpse and see if you could make a difference or better yet, form your own party and show us what a successful campaign would look like. Outside of that, you are just like Ian Bishop and Daren Ganga, sheit cricketers who have all the talk as commentators but little/no action back when they were players.
agent007 wrote:Redman, my father told me that several times. Pnm is an institution and we must give them credit for inculcating this culture in their youth.
UNC and the alternatives have lots of work to do but it doesnt look like a month after losing, they haven't start cracking yet..60 months is all they have, 1 wasted and 59 more to go. Let's see what happens next. So far its PNM again in 2025.
7, noted kind sir.
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:The only thing that im very surprised did not happen yet is the formation of a new party by Ramdial et al
Devant : 'I am behind billboards calling for Kamla to go'
FORMER United National Congress (UNC) Minister Devant Maharaj said he is behind a campaign of billboards calling for his political leader Kamla Persad Bissessar to go.
“I am behind that. I am doing that,” Maharaj said, adding that he is being inundated with offers from people who want to see the party progress to fund the billboards at strategic points throughout the country.
“But I really want to screen it. I don’t want PNM (People’s National Movement) people financing it.
“I am UNC and I remain UNC. This is UNC business. I just want to purge the party of the undemocratic, unconstitutional behaviour of those in authority.”
Maharaj has been criticised for his relentless attack against the party by members who have accused him of doing more harm than good.
Maharaj said he is not doing it to hurt the party to which he is still belongs, but to rescue the party and make it a formidable force.
“This is a life saving effort to bring back some semblance of normalcy and the cult of Kamla has to stop.”
"What is hurting the party more is the 11 losses at the polls in the face of the most unpopular government this country has ever seen in recent memory. We still lost it.”
“What is hurting the party is the constitution of the party is being trampled upon by the failure to adhere. For example the life of Natex (UNC’s National Executive) came to an end in November 2019, but it continued and took part in the election screening.”
According to the party’s constitution, he said, the general secretary should not be a member of parliament.
Dave Tancoo, who served in that position in the last executive, was elected as an MP. Maharaj said he has not seen Tancoo’s resignation letter and does not know if he resigned prior to the August 10 general election.
He also pointed to the failure of the Youth Arm, the Women’s Arm and other arms of the party to meet at scheduled time.
“All those things are being sacrificed to make Kamla great again and, after 11 electoral defeats, she is holding on tenuously for the internal elections. Its vulgar and offensive.”
“We don’t have a party anymore. We have a cult of personalities to make Kamla great again. The party is already wounded and on the ground bleeding.”
No one from the UNC executive responded to counter Maharaj’s damning claims.
In a release, however, the Opposition leader sounded an alarm over reports of ballots and poll cards found on the compound of Grand Bay Paper Products Ltd, and called for an urgent investigation by the police.
She said the integrity of the country's democracy is at stake.
Persad-Bissessar said the documents reportedly relate to elections held in 2015, 2019 and 2020 and if proven to be authentic then it raises serious concerns regarding the integrity of these three elections as well as the conduct of the Elections and Boundaries Commission (EBC).
She said what is disturbing is that the company where the documents were found and its associate company, Trinidad Tissues Limited, was the recipient of a US$5 million loan facilitated by the PNM Government in 2016 through the EXIM Bank.
Persad-Bissessar said this adds to the long list of irregularities previously raised by the UNC including the inconsistent accounts by the Prime Minister regarding election observers.
Maharaj failed to see value in the concern expressed.
“They did it in 2015. We went to court, we lost and you come back with that same nonsense again. I mean people are dying from covid19 and they are still fighting an election they lost?"
https://newsday.co.tt/2020/09/13/devant ... mla-to-go/
sMASH wrote:unc is a barrel of crabs. every body too bright for they own good
sMASH wrote:unc is a barrel of crabs. every body too bright for they own good
16 cycles wrote:sMASH wrote:unc is a barrel of crabs. every body too bright for they own good
from the ashes, a phoenix will rise....like the rising sun...
^ someone find a nostradamus prediction to embellish pls..
United National Congress' Vasant Bharath, Ramona Ramdial, Devant Maharaj and Larry Lalla have all pelted back responses to party leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar's criticism and challenge for detractors to challenge her for the leadership.
Persad-Bissessar issued the "fight" call at the UNC's Monday night "Report" meeting, where she also devoted time to fighting the People’s National Movement Government.
On UNC issues, Persad-Bissessar said she'd seen some people crying like "little ants or flies" and said she will battle her challengers in the internal election.
"I understand they're looking for someone who wants to challenge me as none of them want to put their name next to mine. So don't worry... that is the democracy is it not? Some people didn't get a seat, whether in the Senate or Lower House and they vex...they want to mash up the whole castle, they want to mash up everything. But they will not succeed and they know they won't succeed," Persad-Bissessar said.
"So you know what happened? They're not calling for the internal election. You know if you really truly wanted to play a part in a democratic party, you'd call for the election. No. They want me to resign. I am not resigning. I will call and the party will call for the internal election when it's due."
The internal election is expected later this year.
Bharath was among those who responded directly to Persad- Bissessar.
He said, “I, like most people, believed and would have expected Monday’s UNC meeting to have been a post mortem of why UNC lost election yet again. But it was the same tired commentary and formula that’s so often failed.
"Holding on to at all costs and putting herself above the party’s needs is among the usual hallmarks of dictators – as is referring to people as 'ants and flies' and also saying as Mrs Persad- Bissessar did, that none of her challengers could 'never hope to be as bright as she is'. These are almost hallucinatory, delusional remarks."
On if he’ll seek leadership, Bharath said briefly without commenting further, “She’s called out challengers – I’m more than happy to participate in rebuilding the organisation,”
Bharath unsuccessfully contested the leadership in 2015. He'd also indicated intention to contest in 2017 but didn't after citing irregularities in the voting process.
He said Persad-Bissessar was within her right to want to contest the leadership again but he noted that under the Westminster system T&T follows, defeated leaders normally step aside and allow their party to breathe.
"As Jamaica’s Peter Phillips did recently...." Bharath said.
He said leaders enjoy incumbency and usually as a result, have strategies based on party machinery and loyalty from officers and members. But Bharath said relinquishing office assists the party to have the necessary growth to fight an election.
"UNC desperately needs reforms. Every institution is broken. It doesn’t allow members to participate in any rebuilding processes. That needs to change if we are to compete in elections."
Former UNC Couva North MP Ramdial, who's recently challenged issues in the party, said she felt Persad-Bissessar was referring to all possible contenders. But noting Persad-Bissessar's reference to "woman to woman," she agreed she'd been very vocal recently calling out the UNC on a lack of post-election analysis and issues with the Natex and the general secretary and PRO maintaining posts although they're now elected MPs.
Ramdial added, "Someone may want to muzzle me but that won't intimidate me. When the party calls polls, we'll see ... I'd consider contesting a post but not the leadership at this time. I'll support a candidate for that post. It depends on whose name comes up."
She added, "The leader apparently launched her campaign (Monday). I'm very disappointed in the statements. However, will this leadership election also involve a UNC National Executive election since the Natex's poll is overdue by two years.”
Maharaj who's led calls for Persad-Bissessar to "go" and put up a fresh billboard with that call on Tuesday, added. "The leader's assertion that she's brighter than others in the UNC and isn't stepping down reeks of arrogance and hubris. Given the kindergarten crop of MPs imposed for the general election, Kamla maybe indeed the smartest of the lot - but by no stretch of the imagination is she the smartest person in UNC."
Attorney Lalla said he hasn’t decided if he’d contest the election. He said he’d support someone for the leadership whom he thinks might better position the UNC.
Lalla added, “It’s rather unfortunate the political leader would see fit to use the party’s virtual forum to launch her personal campaign for leader. The obvious question arising is whether she’ll afford the same opportunity to anyone who decides to challenge her - would they be allowed time on UNC’s virtual meeting to also launch their campaign?”
“Coming out of two recent consecutive election losses she hasn’t chosen a path that gives any confidence that she’s learned from those losses. The UNC's suffered tremendously under her. Foremost in my mind is the party’s interests and the country’s going forward - UNC isn’t in business to fight for second place continuously.”
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/kamla-k ... e4282c0960
jhonnieblue wrote:Despite how terrible the PNM next five years will be, once Kam's in power UNC ain't wining nothing again.
If no one can't challenge simple kams then they are not a leader and will not be able to manage a Country.jhonnieblue wrote:Despite how terrible the PNM next five years will be, once Kam's in power UNC ain't wining nothing again.
De Dragon wrote:Panday started that "knife and fork Indian" sheit, so Vasant Bharath's chances with the base is limited.
Where are the challengers ?maj. tom wrote:She should not be challenging anybody!
She should step down and let the party reform itself. What is the point of trying to hold on to this power! (what power? the power to lose every election?) What kind of Mugabe sheit is this?
If folks not brave enough to challenge her then they will not be fit enough to run a Nation.jhonnieblue wrote:She needs to step down, it's not about where are the challengers crap,. At this point she power hungry and every swing voter seeing that and will never vote for her again. Me for sure once she there, I will no longer support the UNC.
That whole party needs a revamp.
Sunday, November 26th, 2017
According to the party’s current constitution internal elections are held every two years for all members of the executive except the political leader; the leadership election is held every three years. Eighteen of the Party’s twenty elected posts would be contested, including the position of Political Leader. Mrs Kamla Persad Bissessar has taken the decision to seek a fresh mandate from the party members as the Party prepares for a General Election.
https://unctt.org/unc-to-hold-internal- ... -november/
