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The photo below is a flashback of DECEMBER 2023. Why is our headline news today in February 2025 showing that over 25,000 rounds of ammunition in reserve for the Trinidad and Tobago Regiment have gone missing from the Cumuto Barracks? What were the police , regiment , minister of national security doing between then to now but you know the funny thing NOBODY will be held accountablefor this

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[pugboy]

so suzie handling this missing army ammo or wha?
which army officers she going to search and interrogate for 3 days ? any gun dealers going to get they house searched?
asking for a fren as she seems to be the goto person for these tings

The photo below is a flashback of DECEMBER 2023. Why is our headline news today in February 2025 showing that over 25,000 rounds of ammunition in reserve for the Trinidad and Tobago Regiment have gone missing from the Cumuto Barracks? What were the police , regiment , minister of national security doing between then to now but you know the funny thing NOBODY will be held accountablefor thisScreenshot_20250216_064957_Samsung%20Internet.jpg

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[alfa]

Might institute a greater restriction on legal firearms and parts thinking it will alleviate this.
That was Erla strategy

[pugboy]

before instituting the restrictions on the source of the lost goods(ttdf) go restrict the civilians
standard operating procedure

Might institute a greater restriction on legal firearms and parts thinking it will alleviate this.
That was Erla strategy

[16 cycles]

Civilians following law with FuL would probably not have 5.56mm....but TTPS and current govt mandate wants to keep the status quo in place...sadly

[pugboy]

so suzie ain’t got to go on a witch hunt

Civilians following law with FuL would probably not have 5.56mm....but TTPS and current govt mandate wants to keep the status quo in place...sadly

[16 cycles]

Don't think they'd allow TTPS too much leeway on base to investigate....most armies have their own investigative branch....

[The_Honourable]

Judge scraps police promotion: Blame Erla for ‘numerous’ breaches in process

The ongoing promotion process for police inspectors who were seeking to move up to the rank of Assistant Superintendent of Police (ASP) has been scrapped.

High Court Judge Frank Seepersad quashed the process yesterday morning as he upheld a lawsuit brought by Inspector Mark Hernandez, who participated in the promotion exercise last year.

Justice Seepersad found that suspended Police Commissioner Erla Harewood-Christopher and Odyssey Consultinc Limited, the consultancy firm hired to assist with the process, made missteps at every stage of the three-tiered promotion process.

He ruled that as there were multiple breaches of the Police Service Act and associated regulations, the process had to restart.

Justice Seepersad said, “This court is resolute in its view that any merit list generated from the engagement of a fundamentally flawed promotion process cannot be utilised and the use of same would be prejudicial to the public interest as persons who may not have been qualified to progress through the various stages of the suitability assessment exercise may have done so.”

While Justice Seepersad accepted that officers, who previously participated and are now close to retirement, may be affected, he suggested they could blame Harewood-Christopher for their predicament.

“The culpability for their disappointment must fall at the feet of the commissioner as she failed to discharge her constitutional obligation in relation to promotions within the First Division,” he said.

In deciding the case, Justice Seepersad upheld Hernandez’s claim that he and his colleagues, who participated, all received “outstanding” grades in their annual performance appraisals.

He took issue with the fact that Deputy Commissioner of Police (DCP) Natasha George declined to disclose even a redacted list of appraisal grades to prove her claim that there was not a universal grade policy for all officers.

“This court, in the circumstances, is inclined to hold that the reason why no PMAS with a grade other than outstanding was produced is likely due to the fact that no such PMAS existed,” he said.

Justice Seepersad noted that the policy undermined Parliament’s intent that only officers who attained 60 or more points in their performance appraisals should be allowed to proceed to the second stage examination.

“This failure to adhere to the regulatory mandate corrupted the process as officers who may not have been properly appraised and who may not have had the minimum score of 60 points may have advanced to the promotional assessment stage,” he said.

He also pointed out that the appraisal reports were only given to Odyssey after the participants sat the examination and were facing the final interview stage.

Interview panel did not have ‘required expertise’

Dealing with the second stage, Justice Seepersad noted that Odyssey, based on DCP George’s direction, allowed participants who failed to attain a score of 50 per cent or higher in the multiple-choice examination to proceed to the final interview stage.

In terms of the final stage, Justice Seepersad noted that Odyssey allowed participants to be interviewed by individuals who did not have the requisite expertise.

“The express words of the statute mandate that the person appointed to the respective panels must have the required ‘skills, expertise and qualification in policing particularly to the rank under consideration’,” Justice Seepersad said.

“The unauthorised composition of the panels further compromised the process, as the contracted party failed to ensure that all the panel members had the required policing experience as required under the Regulations,” he added.

As part of his judgment, Justice Seepersad criticised Harewood-Christopher for failing to recognise the breaches and prevent them.

“The breaches which occurred were neither isolated nor de minims, they were numerous, substantial, seemingly deliberate, pervasive and profound,” he said.

“It is also unfortunate that under the watch of the commissioner, the public purse was charged for the conduct of a deficient and defective promotion process but the court can neither countenance constitutional violations nor can it sacrifice the need for due process at the altar of economic expediency,” he added.

While he upheld Hernandez’s case, Justice Seepersad declined to order compensation or declare that his constitutional right to protection of the law was breached.

He noted that Hernandez was allowed to participate at every stage and was not treated differently from his colleagues. He also said that Hernandez did not suffer any loss that could be quantified financially.

He also pointed out that even if the process was lawful and fair, Hernandez’s promotion would have been put on hold as he is currently on suspension while facing misbehaviour in public office charge related to the treatment of the suspects held for the abduction and murder of Andrea Bharatt, including two who died while in police custody in 2021.

After delivering his decisions, lawyers for the police commissioner’s office requested a stay to give time to consider an appeal.

The request was denied by Justice Seepersad, who pointed to the serious and numerous regulatory breaches in the case.

The commissioner’s office was also ordered to pay Hernandez’s legal costs for the lawsuit. Hernandez was represented by Jagdeo Singh, Gerald Ramdeen, Narisa Bala, and Dayadai Harripaul.

The commissioner’s office was represented by Rishi Dass, SC, Tamara Toolsie, and Akeenie Murray. Odyssey was represented by Owen Hinds Jr and Keisha Kydd-Hannibal, while Kingsley Walesby represented the Police Social and Welfare Association.

Lawyers: Case shows dysfunction in TTPS

Lawyers for Inspector Mark Hernandez have claimed that his legal victory in the lawsuit over the promotion exercise highlights the dysfunction at the helm of the T&T Police Service (TTPS).

Attorneys Jagdeo Singh and Gerald Ramdeen made the claim in a press release issued hours after High Court Judge Frank Seepersad upheld Hernandez’s case.

They said, “The decision of the High Court today sounds loud to each of us that things are not right in the TTPS.

“Public confidence in this organisation is at an all-time low while crime and criminality is at an all-time high, the judgment today may explain why.”

The duo also expressed hope that the case would help ensure that procedural fairness is observed in promotions going forward.

“As a country, we must insist that the persons that lead this organisation are the most qualified and suitable based on merit and performance,” they said.

“Anything less will risk our collective well-being, the safety of our citizens and the undermining of the rule of law,” they added.

Guardian Media contacted the Police Social and Welfare Association, which participated in the case as an interested party.

The association’s president ASP Gideon Dickson declined to immediately comment as he said he was about to enter a meeting of the organisation’s executive.

Guardian Media also sought to get suspended police commissioner Erla Harewood-Christopher to comment on the judge’s findings, especially in relation to her, but she did not respond to a WhatsApp message sent to her, up to late yesterday.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/judge-s ... 3fec43f2f3

[pugboy]

frankie is anti pnm they gonna say

[alfa]

Kinda similar to how Erla get she job in the first place

[pugboy]

and the rest of them dcp cronies

Kinda similar to how Erla get she job in the first place

[matix]

frankie is anti pnm they gonna say

He’s used to it by now

[K74T]

[pugboy]

rav4 and corollas are the job perk cars for senior officers, ones with the internal blue lights

[16 cycles]

If they detection and prosecution rate was acceptable....sure....but as it stands.. take away all vehicles except those tasked with responding to crimes...

[MaxPower]

Ttps deserves to drive some nice Mahindras

[hover11]

If they detection and prosecution rate was acceptable....sure....but as it stands.. take away all vehicles except those tasked with responding to crimes...

Ways so no more Prado

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[paid_influencer]

so a SoE but police vehicles grounded because of non-release of funds by the MoF?

This thing where the left hand not responsible for the right hand can't work. What we need is a whole-of-government approach to crime.

[hover11]

so a SoE but police vehicles grounded because of non-release of funds by the MoF?

This thing where the left hand not responsible for the right hand can't work. What we need is a whole-of-government approach to crime.

You want to hear something funny, no money for this but allocation for all officials under the SRC list was disbursed to all ministries and state institutions. The same slaves who salary hasn't moved in over 10 years are the ones who have to process these payments. Anyway, the money isn't there right now for the upkeep of these vehicles but for salary increase for the big boys it is in abundance.


Just remember 25 billion dollars was spent on the TTPS in the past 10 years.....again I ask what do we have to show for such

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[pugboy]

it will be sorted out very fast

remember all them toyotas are driven by high ranking cops, army etc
all those unmarked cars with blue lights is officers who get it as a job perk

If they detection and prosecution rate was acceptable....sure....but as it stands.. take away all vehicles except those tasked with responding to crimes...

Ways so no more Prado

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[hover11]

Imagine buying a fleet of prados under the guise of crime fighting vehicles....well I tell you if that don't tell you we in a pappyshow idk what else yall need to see again

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[Chimera]

Really seeing a set of ped or newer prados or fortuners with police lights. Wonder if rollingstock have one that we cud go them fete with

[pugboy]

mismanagement is the name of the game
doh worry new CoP benjie will sort it out
they just need to issue more tickets

Imagine buying a fleet of prados under the guise of crime fighting vehicles....well I tell you if that don't tell you we in a pappyshow idk what else yall need to see again

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[Supra GT-FOUR]

so a SoE but police vehicles grounded because of non-release of funds by the MoF?

This thing where the left hand not responsible for the right hand can't work. What we need is a whole-of-government approach to crime.

You want to hear something funny, no money for this but allocation for all officials under the SRC list was disbursed to all ministries and state institutions. The same slaves who salary hasn't moved in over 10 years are the ones who have to process these payments. Anyway, the money isn't there right now for the upkeep of these vehicles but for salary increase for the big boys it is in abundance.


Just remember 25 billion dollars was spent on the TTPS in the past 10 years.....again I ask what do we have to show for such

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[pugboy]

wha bout the cctv on the roads
how many working?

[hover11]

wha bout the cctv on the roads
how many working?

Those speed cameras that they installed before trincity lights on the highway that they installed years ago which clearly do not work, was that another eat a food product because up to now I don't see their purpose. How much did we pay for those eye sores.

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[pugboy]

we would have heard boasting about how effective they were if they were ever functional

heinz has come before jsc many times and talk about how majority of cctv down and always promising to investigate

wha bout the cctv on the roads
how many working?

Those speed cameras that they installed before trincity lights on the highway that they installed years ago which clearly do not work, was that another eat a food product because up to now I don't see their purpose. How much did we pay for those eye sores.

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[16 cycles]

DPP ends case against duo after dead witness' evidence can't be used

.....The duo was arrested and charged after a woman, Alicia McKenzie, claimed that she saw Moyo and another man shoot Fullerton after Flemming threatened to kill him (Fullerton) earlier that day. 

She also claimed that Flemming and another man were present when Fullerton was shot and they ran away with the two shooters. 

McKenzie was murdered almost a month after Fullerton. ....

.....During case management hearings in preparation for their retrial, State prosecutors signalled their intention to apply under Section 15C of the Evidence Act to utilise McKenzie's statements again. 

After they repeatedly missed extended deadlines for officially filing the application, the case was set for trial. 

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/dpp-end ... 87e554dd1f

not so much CoP / TTPS but DPP

witness was also murdered seemingly waiting for witness protection

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... e1000.html

[16 cycles]

Sources close to the investigation said the unit will also meet with a representative from the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) to discuss a “financial aspect” of the matter, which would involve examining financial transactions undertaken by the suspended CoP, including the movement of cash, to better understand a timeline of events.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/cop-erl ... 8b1f19a60b

should extend to all senior management of TTPS including granting of HDC houses and immediate family etc...

[redmanjp]

what TTPS have to do with HDC houses?