.::The Official General Election 2015 Thread::.

[zoom rader]

^^^ PNM dont win elections they steal it.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

UNC dont win elections they steal it.

ZR stop bashing the UNC without a source nah.

[Redman]

UNC dont win elections they steal it.

ZR stop bashing the UNC without a source nah.

meaningless flag changed...he still eh know the truth.

[brainchild]

But it pretty clear UNC nt winning, they get thru in 2010 bcos manning was on sheit but dis rounds they have a ton of dirty laundry and a competitor with no political baggage.

[tiger balm]

But it pretty clear UNC nt winning, they get thru in 2010 bcos manning was on sheit but dis rounds they have a ton of dirty laundry and a competitor with no political baggage.

It is?

[brainchild]

^^^I'm not a die hard anything, but I think it obvious at this stage. The only thing Rowley falling short on is announcing his "vision" if elected. But pp had unions, swing voters, cop supporters and disappointed pnmites on their side last time, nt so dis rounds. It may b close if they grease d right wheels in time, but I'm nt seeing a win

[Daran]

^^^I'm not a die hard anything, but I think it obvious at this stage. The only thing Rowley falling short on is announcing his "vision" if elected. But pp had unions, swing voters, cop supporters and disappointed pnmites on their side last time, nt so dis rounds. It may b close if they grease d right wheels in time, but I'm nt seeing a win

This is commonly held but inaccurate opinion. Now I aint saying PP will win for sure, but they have a lot more support than you give them credit for, trust me.....if PNM win it will only be by 1 seat.

A lot can happen in the next few months though, but overall PP will always have a slight advantage.

[brainchild]

That support has to be made up of mostly blind followers, cos as a swing voter I don't see any gd reason to give dem a 2nd chance. I voted for them the first time but this has all been way too much in jus 5 yrs. No identifiable development plan, no real transparency, police service has been compromised which the total opposite of what we need nw and 15yrs worth of scandal. I don't think Rowley is the ans to these problems, but it seems wiser than finding out what pp can do wit another 5.

[brainchild]

That support has to be made up of mostly blind followers, cos as a swing voter I don't see any gd reason to give dem a 2nd chance. I voted for them the first time but this has all been way too much in jus 5 yrs. No identifiable development plan, no real transparency, police service has been compromised which the total opposite of what we need nw and 15yrs worth of scandal. I don't think Rowley is the ans to these problems, but it seems wiser than finding out what pp can do wit another 5.

[zoom rader]

^^^I'm not a die hard anything, but I think it obvious at this stage. The only thing Rowley falling short on is announcing his "vision" if elected. But pp had unions, swing voters, cop supporters and disappointed pnmites on their side last time, nt so dis rounds. It may b close if they grease d right wheels in time, but I'm nt seeing a win

Rowley Vision is the same as Manning's 20/20.
They not announcing fully cause the dont want the public to panic. Things like the absurd increases Housing tax is #1.
The dismantling of local government where the public will not have a say as voting for who sees about their area.
Less power taken away from the voter.
Removal of the Prime Minister and President. It will be a one man show for dictatorship

[dougla_boy]

do u have proof of such claims? link to the manifesto? please provide proof.

[zoom rader]

do u have proof of such claims? link to the manifesto? please provide proof.

Manning 20/20 vision was changed by Rowley to 20/30 and is a rehash. The same principles apply.
More Racket Rail


Indira-Rampersad2

Mark Fraser


 Last Sunday, the People’s National Movement (PNM) held the first part of it 45th annual convention at the Hyatt Regency hotel in Port of Spain. 



It was somewhat surprising that the PNM would choose the luxurious chambers of the plush Hyatt to host its convention, albeit for delegates only. If the PNM’s financial resources are increasing, the implications for the 2015 election are significant.


At the Hyatt convention last Sunday, PNM political leader, Keith Rowley, promised to share the PNM’s policy document “Vision 2030”, in two weeks, another move which caused some consternation because of its top-down approach. Given the PNM’s reaction as well as those of its supporters to alleged lack of consultation of the People’s Partnership on the run-of proposal of the 2014 Constitutional (Amendment) Bill,  it would have been prudent for the PNM to disseminate these proposals widely to its critics, membership and supporters alike for critical comments and input. Since criticisms of elitism were attributed to Patrick Manning’s “Vision 2020”, this was a golden opportunity for Rowley to convince potential voters that the PNM is doing things differently this time around. 


Since September, 2013, Rowley had announced Vision 2030 as its revised development plan as “part of the People’s National Movement’s new “road map” for the resumption of economic and social development of Trinidad and Tobago”. Then, Vision 2030 was presented with the $10 billion rapid rail. Rowley had stated that “a new PNM administration would take up from where the last PNM government left off ...return to the construction of the billion-dollar rapid rail system, for which the last Manning administration had spent $545 million on a feasibility study”.


The rapid rail project was notably absent in media reports of the PNM’s plans in Vision 2030, announced last Sunday. What surfaced are the issues of crime, the economy, including revenue collection, education, health and governance, particularly, local government.


It was Rowley’s announcement to abolish the Local Government Ministry which created quite a stir last week. Coincidentally, only a few days before, the PNM-held Tunapuna/Piarco Regional Corporation was levied upon for failure to pay a debt amounting to about $2 million. 


Indeed, this was not the first time that Rowley has made such a proposal. In early May, 2014, at a meeting in Tobago, he had made the same announcement stating that “the successes with the THA can now be confidently applied in Trinidad thereby removing the role of that minister. The Ministry of Finance will therefore have a greater role to play in the new changes”.


The details of the PNM’s proposal to remove the Local Government Ministry are still uncertain but it has evoked public reaction including comments from former chairman of the Tunapuna/Piarco Regional Corporation and acting United National Congress (UNC) chairman, Khadijah Ameen. She vehemently rejects the proposal insisting that the Local Government Ministry is critical. She affirms that attempts to remove the Local Government Ministry will remove power from the people. Ameen views the Ministry of Local Government as a necessary part of the bureaucracy which can ensure accountability provided that it does not serve as a hindrance. This she affirms can be achieved by good planning.


Rowley’s proposal comes in the face of several calls for greater decentralisation of local government bodies. However, several questions should be considered. Can the THA model be successfully applied to the larger island of Trinidad with its cities, boroughs and regional corporations?  The structure of local government is quite different from the THA. Today there are 14 municipalities including two cities—Port-of-Spain and San Fernando; three boroughs—Arima, Chaguanas and Point Fortin; and nine regional corporations—Couva/Tabaquite/Talparo, Diego Martin, Mayaro/Rio Claro, Penal/Debe, Princes Town, San Juan/Laventille, Sangre Grande, Siparia and Tunapuna/Piarco .


To whom will these bodies be answerable if there is no Local Government Ministry? Would the Ministry of Finance be given wider coordinating and supervisory portfolios with regard to these institutions? Would it be able to effectively manage such operations in addition to its existing portfolios? Would this not be a return to the very centralisation which the removal of the Local Government Ministry seeks to address? 


The numerous unanswered questions suggest that the proposal needs to be carefully thought out. Stakeholders should be widely consulted on the feasibility of such a measure. Many election plans sound wonderful and look great on glossy manifestos but successive administrations have proved that they may not be practical or implementable. 


While political parties are anxious to prove that they are in an advance state of readiness to govern in 2015, they need to be extremely cautious of what they hastily attempt to sell to the population as the election bell tolls. The extremely high expectations and demands of the electorate today are leaving no government unscathed. 

[dougla_boy]

post a source nah

anyways, i still say A plan is better than NO plan eh

[zoom rader]

do u have proof of such claims? link to the manifesto? please provide proof.

Manning 20/20 vision was changed by Rowley to 20/30 and is a rehash. The same principles apply.
More Racket Rail


Indira-Rampersad2

Mark Fraser


 Last Sunday, the People’s National Movement (PNM) held the first part of it 45th annual convention at the Hyatt Regency hotel in Port of Spain. 



It was somewhat surprising that the PNM would choose the luxurious chambers of the plush Hyatt to host its convention, albeit for delegates only. If the PNM’s financial resources are increasing, the implications for the 2015 election are significant.


At the Hyatt convention last Sunday, PNM political leader, Keith Rowley, promised to share the PNM’s policy document “Vision 2030”, in two weeks, another move which caused some consternation because of its top-down approach. Given the PNM’s reaction as well as those of its supporters to alleged lack of consultation of the People’s Partnership on the run-of proposal of the 2014 Constitutional (Amendment) Bill,  it would have been prudent for the PNM to disseminate these proposals widely to its critics, membership and supporters alike for critical comments and input. Since criticisms of elitism were attributed to Patrick Manning’s “Vision 2020”, this was a golden opportunity for Rowley to convince potential voters that the PNM is doing things differently this time around. 


Since September, 2013, Rowley had announced Vision 2030 as its revised development plan as “part of the People’s National Movement’s new “road map” for the resumption of economic and social development of Trinidad and Tobago”. Then, Vision 2030 was presented with the $10 billion rapid rail. Rowley had stated that “a new PNM administration would take up from where the last PNM government left off ...return to the construction of the billion-dollar rapid rail system, for which the last Manning administration had spent $545 million on a feasibility study”.


The rapid rail project was notably absent in media reports of the PNM’s plans in Vision 2030, announced last Sunday. What surfaced are the issues of crime, the economy, including revenue collection, education, health and governance, particularly, local government.


It was Rowley’s announcement to abolish the Local Government Ministry which created quite a stir last week. Coincidentally, only a few days before, the PNM-held Tunapuna/Piarco Regional Corporation was levied upon for failure to pay a debt amounting to about $2 million. 


Indeed, this was not the first time that Rowley has made such a proposal. In early May, 2014, at a meeting in Tobago, he had made the same announcement stating that “the successes with the THA can now be confidently applied in Trinidad thereby removing the role of that minister. The Ministry of Finance will therefore have a greater role to play in the new changes”.


The details of the PNM’s proposal to remove the Local Government Ministry are still uncertain but it has evoked public reaction including comments from former chairman of the Tunapuna/Piarco Regional Corporation and acting United National Congress (UNC) chairman, Khadijah Ameen. She vehemently rejects the proposal insisting that the Local Government Ministry is critical. She affirms that attempts to remove the Local Government Ministry will remove power from the people. Ameen views the Ministry of Local Government as a necessary part of the bureaucracy which can ensure accountability provided that it does not serve as a hindrance. This she affirms can be achieved by good planning.


Rowley’s proposal comes in the face of several calls for greater decentralisation of local government bodies. However, several questions should be considered. Can the THA model be successfully applied to the larger island of Trinidad with its cities, boroughs and regional corporations?  The structure of local government is quite different from the THA. Today there are 14 municipalities including two cities—Port-of-Spain and San Fernando; three boroughs—Arima, Chaguanas and Point Fortin; and nine regional corporations—Couva/Tabaquite/Talparo, Diego Martin, Mayaro/Rio Claro, Penal/Debe, Princes Town, San Juan/Laventille, Sangre Grande, Siparia and Tunapuna/Piarco .


To whom will these bodies be answerable if there is no Local Government Ministry? Would the Ministry of Finance be given wider coordinating and supervisory portfolios with regard to these institutions? Would it be able to effectively manage such operations in addition to its existing portfolios? Would this not be a return to the very centralisation which the removal of the Local Government Ministry seeks to address? 


The numerous unanswered questions suggest that the proposal needs to be carefully thought out. Stakeholders should be widely consulted on the feasibility of such a measure. Many election plans sound wonderful and look great on glossy manifestos but successive administrations have proved that they may not be practical or implementable. 


While political parties are anxious to prove that they are in an advance state of readiness to govern in 2015, they need to be extremely cautious of what they hastily attempt to sell to the population as the election bell tolls. The extremely high expectations and demands of the electorate today are leaving no government unscathed. 

Dougla_boy that is the source from PNM Express , a dictatorship plan

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commenta ... 41722.html

[rfari]

Heard about a new party on the block. The third force. Look like the true COP. I feel dey could get my vote

[zoom rader]

Heard about a new party on the block. The third force. Look like the true COP. I feel dey could get my vote

U ant fooling no one, u issa PNM dead fast

[rfari]

Heard about a new party on the block. The third force. Look like the true COP. I feel dey could get my vote

U ant fooling no one, u issa PNM dead fast

They have Timothy Hamel smith Dan. The epitome of virtue and morality. Seems like they hit the ground running on the east west

[eliteauto]

[Dizzy28]

The baldie in blue is Joe Pires or Dr Raj??

[bluefete]

Is this the 3rd. Force?

Yet Ming said he loves Kamla
Hamel Smith said he loves Kamla
Gary still loves Kamla
Nicole loves Gary
Pires loves Kamla.
Phillip Alexander loves Kamla. He is is a known UNCist.

It seems to me that if this party wins any seats they will promptly sign them over to Kamla!

[eliteauto]

when Prakash said the PM had a big job for Hamel-Smith after firing him he wasn't lying, this is to attempt vote splitting on the E-W corridor

[bluefete]

when Prakash said the PM had a big job for Hamel-Smith after firing him he wasn't lying, this is to attempt vote splitting on the E-W corridor

The only one who might have a chance is the Sport Minister boy - Sancho.

[zoom rader]

when Prakash said the PM had a big job for Hamel-Smith after firing him he wasn't lying, this is to attempt vote splitting on the E-W corridor

That party seems better to run where it have affluent folks living .
Rowley seat seems the better bet

[eliteauto]

PEA is the guy who wants to contest DMW, I lulz

[Hyperion]

carson charles? who they trying to fool with this sh*t? he not managing the whole construtura oas south highway project for tanty kams and them?

This is the same tactic they trying in Tobago with that big mouth fraud Watson Duke, trying to collect "undecided" votes to hand over to the UNC.

[Crackpot]

lmao...

[mero]

TURD yes, how shiddy :LOL:

[EmilioA]

Yeah this Third Force looking like a attempt to prevent Anti UNC votes from coalescing around the PNM.

Same goes for the Tobago Forward Party led by Christlyn Moore.

No wonder the UNC drop that 50% requirement to win a seat.

[16 cycles]

Hadda be a parody with that logo "turd"...

[desifemlove]

only good ting is Nicole almost 50 and still lookin bess..

but since PNM/UNC does get 300,000 or so votes each based on race...."third parties" ent gettin nowhere. we need a change to the voting system, to make third parties more viable. and PNM doh want it, and UNC/Mrs. Kams ent sure what.