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bluesclues wrote:if allyuh ent pickup what went on there. they try to make themselves elites. above reproach aeven by the law or court order. trinis sleeping on theyself. this government needs a sudden removal. an instant removal. right now we just giving them time to cover their tracks.
De Dragon wrote:bluesclues wrote:if allyuh ent pickup what went on there. they try to make themselves elites. above reproach aeven by the law or court order. trinis sleeping on theyself. this government needs a sudden removal. an instant removal. right now we just giving them time to cover their tracks.
You have it bad for the PP boy.........
De Dragon wrote:bluesclues wrote:if allyuh ent pickup what went on there. they try to make themselves elites. above reproach aeven by the law or court order. trinis sleeping on theyself. this government needs a sudden removal. an instant removal. right now we just giving them time to cover their tracks.
You have it bad for the PP boy.........
UML wrote:Who was the undisclosed Lawyer and Politician that Mr West mentioned he spoke to after this unfolded?
source?UML wrote:Who was the undisclosed Lawyer and Politician that Mr West mentioned he spoke to after this unfolded?
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:De Dragon wrote:bluesclues wrote:if allyuh ent pickup what went on there. they try to make themselves elites. above reproach aeven by the law or court order. trinis sleeping on theyself. this government needs a sudden removal. an instant removal. right now we just giving them time to cover their tracks.
You have it bad for the PP boy.........
I can respect people who view politics from a neutral perspective. Those who are willing to change their votes for the betterment of their country.
However history has shown that in Trini, there is a lot of nasty hate and disrespect towards Madam Prime Minister because of personal reasons. Some of the people actually dislike her and openly preach hate towards her because she is a woman, and it has happened just last year by so called religious leaders preaching hate to their followers saying god does not approve of a woman being Prime Minister. LOL so lets see how the local feminists vote.
Habit7 wrote:source?UML wrote:Who was the undisclosed Lawyer and Politician that Mr West mentioned he spoke to after this unfolded?
sMASH wrote:My perspective on griffith resignation is that in the odd chance that both he and west were lying, he would be out of authority until it is proven one way or the other.
If after he is shown to be truthful, then he should have all rights back to MoNS... Which should make the present MoNS, acting.
even if anan@gmail.com is proven correct (in this matter) he should regain his position.
Hardest thing is that section 34 is enough misconduct in public office.
Is just like if a landlord raises rent: they can't raise it too high within a period, a judge csn determine that it is an unjustified price hike. Even though the landlord supposed to b able to charge whether ever they want.
In the same way, although the ministers have the power to make whatever law they want, it supposed to hqve somebody to say that they can't make a law like that, and if they do, any actions carried out by it is null and void.
Can th ministers be sued for abuse of power in the scenario of the section 34?
rfari wrote:What made section 34 infamous?
UML wrote:Who was the undisclosed Lawyer and Politician that Mr West mentioned he spoke to after this unfolded?
Onus on West to tell Carmona
Timothy: Case involvement a key detail...
Geisha Kowlessar
Published:
Wednesday, February 4, 2015
Former Senate President Timothy Hamel-Smith agrees with Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s assertion that Police Complaints Authority director David West should have notified someone that he was involved in the witness-tampering matter in the defamation lawsuit between former Attorney General Anand Ramlogan and Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley. However, he says rather than telling the Prime Minister, West should have notified President Anthony Carmona.
In announcing the removal on Monday night of Ramlogan and national security minister Gary Griffith as a result of the imbroglio that involved the Offices of the Attorney General and the PCA, the PM criticised West and Rowley for not indicating to her West involvement in the defamation matter.
She said while she could not remove West from office, he could possibly have prevented the current fiasco by letting her know in the first place. She added that West’s remaining in the chair could also possibly taint the forthcoming police probe of his complaint against the former AG. Speaking at his Albion Street, Port-of-Spain, law offices yesterday, Hamel-Smith said he agreed with that.
“Assuming that West did not tell the President, then that would have been a shortcoming,” Hamel-Smith told the T&T Guardian yesterday as he addressed questions on whether Persad-Bissessar’s call for West to step aside were justified.
“I could see the Prime Minister being very peeved about that fact that it wasn’t put on the table but I thought as opposed to her saying it should have come from the leader of the Opposition it should have come from West himself to the President then from the President outward.” He added: “There was a duty on West to make that known.”
Persad-Bissessar consulted with Rowley on West’s suitability for the PCA post when it became vacant last year and after both agreed his name was forwarded to Carmona. Yesterday, Hamel-Smith said if he were Carmona, he would now call in West to get a statement from him.
Stunned at Senate removal
On his removal from the Senate chair, Hamel-Smith, a senior member of the Congress of the People, said he was left with very little choice but to resign upon the instructions of leader of Government Business in the Senate Ganga Singh. But he said Singh was simply carrying out the orders of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. He admitted to there being unanswered questions on why he was asked to resign, saying he was stunned by the request when Singh visited his home on Sunday.
“From my perspective, she having expressed her desire that I resign... because she appointed me... she felt for whatever reason that she needed a change, that I certainly could not withhold my resignation and therefore I tendered my resignation to the clerk of the Senate because that is what the Constitution calls for and I sent a copy to the Prime Minister,” Hamel-Smith said.
Saying he knew Singh very well as the two had gone back a long way, he said he didn’t get a clear answer on why he should give up his post. “He (Singh) gave an overarching statement that the Prime Minister wanted to bring in a number of new ministers through the Senate and therefore needed space to make that appointment.
“I didn’t know what that had to do with me and remember saying to Ganga, ‘Ganga stop talking in riddles just come straight...’ I mean it must have been an embarrassing thing for him to have to do. Then he told me, ‘Look, the Prime Minister wants you to resign,’ but he did not identify anything specific,” Hamel-Smith added.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02- ... ll-carmona
UML wrote:Habit7 wrote:source?UML wrote:Who was the undisclosed Lawyer and Politician that Mr West mentioned he spoke to after this unfolded?
nah yuh chupid for two
UML wrote:rfari wrote:What made section 34 infamous?
PNM political propaganda and misinformation
UML wrote:Who was the undisclosed Lawyer and Politician that Mr West mentioned he spoke to after this unfolded?Onus on West to tell Carmona
Timothy: Case involvement a key detail...
Geisha Kowlessar
Published:
Wednesday, February 4, 2015
Former Senate President Timothy Hamel-Smith agrees with Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s assertion that Police Complaints Authority director David West should have notified someone that he was involved in the witness-tampering matter in the defamation lawsuit between former Attorney General Anand Ramlogan and Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley. However, he says rather than telling the Prime Minister, West should have notified President Anthony Carmona.
In announcing the removal on Monday night of Ramlogan and national security minister Gary Griffith as a result of the imbroglio that involved the Offices of the Attorney General and the PCA, the PM criticised West and Rowley for not indicating to her West involvement in the defamation matter.
She said while she could not remove West from office, he could possibly have prevented the current fiasco by letting her know in the first place. She added that West’s remaining in the chair could also possibly taint the forthcoming police probe of his complaint against the former AG. Speaking at his Albion Street, Port-of-Spain, law offices yesterday, Hamel-Smith said he agreed with that.
“Assuming that West did not tell the President, then that would have been a shortcoming,” Hamel-Smith told the T&T Guardian yesterday as he addressed questions on whether Persad-Bissessar’s call for West to step aside were justified.
“I could see the Prime Minister being very peeved about that fact that it wasn’t put on the table but I thought as opposed to her saying it should have come from the leader of the Opposition it should have come from West himself to the President then from the President outward.” He added: “There was a duty on West to make that known.”
Persad-Bissessar consulted with Rowley on West’s suitability for the PCA post when it became vacant last year and after both agreed his name was forwarded to Carmona. Yesterday, Hamel-Smith said if he were Carmona, he would now call in West to get a statement from him.
Stunned at Senate removal
On his removal from the Senate chair, Hamel-Smith, a senior member of the Congress of the People, said he was left with very little choice but to resign upon the instructions of leader of Government Business in the Senate Ganga Singh. But he said Singh was simply carrying out the orders of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. He admitted to there being unanswered questions on why he was asked to resign, saying he was stunned by the request when Singh visited his home on Sunday.
“From my perspective, she having expressed her desire that I resign... because she appointed me... she felt for whatever reason that she needed a change, that I certainly could not withhold my resignation and therefore I tendered my resignation to the clerk of the Senate because that is what the Constitution calls for and I sent a copy to the Prime Minister,” Hamel-Smith said.
Saying he knew Singh very well as the two had gone back a long way, he said he didn’t get a clear answer on why he should give up his post. “He (Singh) gave an overarching statement that the Prime Minister wanted to bring in a number of new ministers through the Senate and therefore needed space to make that appointment.
“I didn’t know what that had to do with me and remember saying to Ganga, ‘Ganga stop talking in riddles just come straight...’ I mean it must have been an embarrassing thing for him to have to do. Then he told me, ‘Look, the Prime Minister wants you to resign,’ but he did not identify anything specific,” Hamel-Smith added.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02- ... ll-carmona
West, Al Rawi and Dr. Rowley MISLEAD the PRESIDENT and PM!!!
WEST MUST GO!!!!
Habit7 wrote:UML wrote:Habit7 wrote:source?UML wrote:Who was the undisclosed Lawyer and Politician that Mr West mentioned he spoke to after this unfolded?
nah yuh chupid for two
Name calling, that's novel.
A simple "I have no credible source, I just heard some say so on the radio" would have done. But name calling speaks even more volumes.
West seeks
legal advice
Immediately following the telephone conversation with Ramlogan, West sought legal advice about the request for the witness statement in the defamation matter to be withdrawn, the Sunday Express learned.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/No- ... 94801.html
As was customary, I advised Inspector Williams, who was the complainant in the extradition matter, to arrest Ferguson and Galbaransingh since their bail had now ceased.
I advised the Attorney General of my instruction to Inspector Williams. The Attorney General asked me how I could issue that instruction without telling him; he advised me that only he could make the request to the police.
He then instructed me to rescind my instruction, which I did.
After the hearing the Attorney General had a conversation with me and instructed me not to get involved in the Piarco extradition matter again
West, however, said notwithstanding the instruction, he continued to pay attention and follow the progress of the Piarco extradition matter.
[/quote]UML wrote:rfari wrote:What made section 34 infamous?
PNM political propaganda and misinformation
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Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:UML wrote:rfari wrote:What made section 34 infamous?
PNM political propaganda and misinformation
UML wrote:Who was the undisclosed Lawyer and Politician that Mr West mentioned he spoke to after this unfolded?Onus on West to tell Carmona
Timothy: Case involvement a key detail...
Geisha Kowlessar
Published:
Wednesday, February 4, 2015
Former Senate President Timothy Hamel-Smith agrees with Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s assertion that Police Complaints Authority director David West should have notified someone that he was involved in the witness-tampering matter in the defamation lawsuit between former Attorney General Anand Ramlogan and Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley. However, he says rather than telling the Prime Minister, West should have notified President Anthony Carmona.
In announcing the removal on Monday night of Ramlogan and national security minister Gary Griffith as a result of the imbroglio that involved the Offices of the Attorney General and the PCA, the PM criticised West and Rowley for not indicating to her West involvement in the defamation matter.
She said while she could not remove West from office, he could possibly have prevented the current fiasco by letting her know in the first place. She added that West’s remaining in the chair could also possibly taint the forthcoming police probe of his complaint against the former AG. Speaking at his Albion Street, Port-of-Spain, law offices yesterday, Hamel-Smith said he agreed with that.
“Assuming that West did not tell the President, then that would have been a shortcoming,” Hamel-Smith told the T&T Guardian yesterday as he addressed questions on whether Persad-Bissessar’s call for West to step aside were justified.
“I could see the Prime Minister being very peeved about that fact that it wasn’t put on the table but I thought as opposed to her saying it should have come from the leader of the Opposition it should have come from West himself to the President then from the President outward.” He added: “There was a duty on West to make that known.”
Persad-Bissessar consulted with Rowley on West’s suitability for the PCA post when it became vacant last year and after both agreed his name was forwarded to Carmona. Yesterday, Hamel-Smith said if he were Carmona, he would now call in West to get a statement from him.
Stunned at Senate removal
On his removal from the Senate chair, Hamel-Smith, a senior member of the Congress of the People, said he was left with very little choice but to resign upon the instructions of leader of Government Business in the Senate Ganga Singh. But he said Singh was simply carrying out the orders of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. He admitted to there being unanswered questions on why he was asked to resign, saying he was stunned by the request when Singh visited his home on Sunday.
“From my perspective, she having expressed her desire that I resign... because she appointed me... she felt for whatever reason that she needed a change, that I certainly could not withhold my resignation and therefore I tendered my resignation to the clerk of the Senate because that is what the Constitution calls for and I sent a copy to the Prime Minister,” Hamel-Smith said.
Saying he knew Singh very well as the two had gone back a long way, he said he didn’t get a clear answer on why he should give up his post. “He (Singh) gave an overarching statement that the Prime Minister wanted to bring in a number of new ministers through the Senate and therefore needed space to make that appointment.
“I didn’t know what that had to do with me and remember saying to Ganga, ‘Ganga stop talking in riddles just come straight...’ I mean it must have been an embarrassing thing for him to have to do. Then he told me, ‘Look, the Prime Minister wants you to resign,’ but he did not identify anything specific,” Hamel-Smith added.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-02- ... ll-carmona
West, Al Rawi and Dr. Rowley MISLEAD the PRESIDENT and PM!!!
WEST MUST GO!!!!
http://www.guardian.co.tt/columnist/201 ... party-done
All the evidence of being politically dead was scrolled across the face and occupied the being of Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar as she sought to lead the living to the political graveyard in a dance of death, political death to be sure.
It was the danse macabre in motion as the Prime Minister fired, reshuffled the pack and sought desperately to engage the living, whom she hopes will save her, the United National Congress and the Congress of the People (the latter now existing in a comatose state) from the wrath of the electorate taken for a ride by the People’s Partnership of 2010.
This tragi-comedy has all of the ingredients which exist in the DNA of the diseased political culture: corruption, nepotism, political skullduggery, messianic worship of leaders, riotous comedy, the dismantling of institutions, the cabinet being the foremost of those, the playing of the race game, naked electioneering, all taking precedence over sound judgment in a Prime Minister seeking to bring quality governance to a country.
In 2010, Manning and the PNM were overtaken by the diseased politics of messianic leadership; Manning’s attempts to return in 2015 without redemption, without holy water poured on him, is confirmation of the political “malcadee” that afflicts the polity of T&T.
Now in government, a body which better facilitates the opportunities for the cancer to spread to the economy, the polity, into law-making and in the social, cultural and ethnic relations of the society, the politics of the UNC and the COP is threatening to contaminate the society.
The evidence of the claim of corrupted political culture was displayed in the Prime Minister’s statement. Forced at last, as in the instance of Jack Warner, to relieve the country of Ramlogan, she went as far as she could to protect her chosen one; the one she was warned against but considered his political loyalty to be a more important disposition to all other considerations, said David Abdulah.
She could barely utter a word of criticism against Ramlogan, who it must not be forgotten, is at the centre of the bacchanal. Instead she sought to transfer blame to Griffith and Rowley for not bringing matters to her attention but left out her Attorney General even though he had every opportunity and responsibility to inform her of David West’s witness statement.
She saved some of her severest criticism for West, who dared to accuse the chosen one. And typical of the political blame game that is politics in T&T, the Prime Minister sought to make the Leader of the Opposition the chief offender: if he had only informed her before she agreed to appoint West to the PCA, all of this would have been avoided; Ramlogan would have behaved himself and she the Queen, the innocent and much-wronged party, would have scuttled it all.
A classic example of “unresponsibility” for her own constitutional duty to thoroughly scrutinise appointments to senior state positions; no different from her appointment of Reshmi; her plucking of a volatile and voluble Volney from the judiciary and several other misfits she has placed in the cabinet and elsewhere in the state sector.
Similarly, most of her choices for replacements are in the main determined by Anancy politics and an election campaign in which her UNC has to perform miracles to recapture the East-West Corridor. The new political leader of NJAC is slipped in; a lightweight attorney (Garvin Nicholas) is made attorney general; he is likely to be compliant and he could do with a little exposure if he is to contest the Diego Martin North-East seat.
Brent Sancho, the new black man, reportedly being cultivated to be handed a seat in a UNC Indo-dominated Chaguanas East. Christine Newallo-Hosein, someone brought into the politics by Warner and someone who possesses the right mixture of ethnicity and name to contest Tunapuna, forget the COP.
Oh, incidentally, she gave more sense of significance to COP leader, Prakash, more weight to indulge and delude himself of having political significance, while downgrading “Hurricane George” whose fury has fizzled.
And yes Stacy, you have to be moved out of the way as the ministry awards a lucrative contract to a friendly contractor who is expected to “run something.” Of all the new appointments made there can be justification for only one, retired Brigadier General Carl Alfonso, and that is understandable, it is one portfolio that cannot allow for any further slippage in the pre-election months ahead. One expects that the retired Brigadier will not in any way sully his outstanding service to date.
The Prime Minister’s dance of death was inevitable. She and her government have spent almost five years engaging in the most destructive politics conceivable. The present melodrama, which will only expand, is the natural culmination. The Government has effectively collapsed in office and if the previous calls for naming the election date now were provocative, they are now justified.
In the same manner as she articulated that her AG and National Security Minister cannot function, having been severely compromised, the Government is similarly compromised and therefore cannot stand.
newto4x4 wrote:BOSS OF AN ARTICLE
Kamla fighting back
By Ralph Maraj
Story Created: Feb 3, 2015 at 9:09 PM ECT
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Story Updated: Feb 3, 2015 at 9:09 PM ECT )
Kamla Persad-Bissessar has grown as a leader, gravitas increasing. Baptised by political turbulence, she is now adept at managing crisis. After the loss of Chaguanas West, she steadied herself. She later displayed remarkable nerve amidst mounting calls for the departure of Anil Roberts, timing his leaving well, preventing his triggering a by-election in marginal D’Abadie/O’Meara at a time when the Government was on a losing streak. She then spearheaded the contentious Constitution (Amendment) Bill, facing the full brunt of the firing line herself. She has emerged the undisputed leader of her Government and party, undoubtedly “man” in her own house.
Her authority was on full display on Monday night. She brought an end to the dark tenure of Anand Ramlogan as attorney general, sent the erratic Gary Griffith and several others packing, and made new appointments, all intended to refloat her ship which has run aground with general election months away. It is left to be seen whether the refloat will succeed.
But don’t count Kamla out. She has now put Keith Rowley under the gun. She wants to know whether, when David West was being considered for the post of PCA director, the Opposition Leader did not consider he had a “moral obligation” to inform her and the President that Mr West was his witness in a defamatory suit brought by the former attorney general. She is not the only one asking. Suzanne Mills in the Newsday very poignantly enquires: “Did Dr Rowley not think it injudicious to give his nod to a candidate who was his material witness in a lawsuit? Wasn’t he aware that many might conclude he was selecting West because West was helping him? Was it not his responsibility to say he could not back the candidacy because West was his witness and it concerned him that the perception could be that the PCA director who should be independent was politically biased?”
The Prime Minister says had there been a disclosure by the Opposition Leader the conflict of interest would have been declared. She therefore wonders whether there was “any deliberate attempt to hoodwink His Excellency and the Prime Minister in making the appointment by such nondisclosure.” Dr Rowley must answer.
The lady is fighting back. She is also calling for the resignation of Mr West, insisting that his position has been severely compromised. She wants to know why Mr West, when offered the PCA position, did not make it known to her or the President that he was a witness for the Opposition Leader in the defamation suit. On the alleged attempted bribe by Anand Ramlogan, the PM wants to know why Mr West waited “until now to make public this matter?”
Others have also commented. In the Guardian, Gail Alexander writes Mr West’s witness statement “may cast him in a certain light”; and an Express editorial finds it “troublingly questionable” that it has taken nearly three months for Mr West to report the matter of the attempted bribe and that he did so only after the publication of the Sunday Express story, concluding that “Mr West can hardly enjoy any stature of public-spirited heroism”. And Mr West himself raises further questions. He refuses to answer the simple question whether possible links to the People’s National Movement (PNM) influenced his decision to file a statement with the police against Mr Ramlogan.
David West must be very careful. Increasingly he seems like the fragile grass that gets trampled when elephants battle. To understand what he is dealing with, Mr West must consider who could have leaked the story to the Express that Mr Ramlogan sought to bribe him, and who stood to benefit not only from its leaking but also from his reporting the matter to the police. He must recall who clamoured most for him to make the report. He must determine whether he was being manipulated or he acted on his own volition. If the latter is the case, his inner strength will protect him. If not, I am very concerned for my former Naparima College student. I hope the PNM is concerned as well. If he is removed, his blood could be on their hands.
It is clear now that elections will be held as close as possible to September since the Partnership will want the memory of Mr Ramlogan and others to fade. They will also want the refurbished face of the Government to positively impact the population, particularly the mixed and floating voters. And most of all, they will want their best asset, the Prime Minister, to again save the day. She might. Kamla is fighting back.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/commenta ... 24391.html
De Dragon wrote:bluesclues wrote:if allyuh ent pickup what went on there. they try to make themselves elites. above reproach aeven by the law or court order. trinis sleeping on theyself. this government needs a sudden removal. an instant removal. right now we just giving them time to cover their tracks.
You have it bad for the PP boy.........
Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:UML try to keep up please. The bolder part was in reference to West being a witness not with respect to the attempt to have him withdraw his witness statement.
The Honourable KPB said West should have told her he was a witness. She said that Rowley should have told her West was a witness. Meanwhile Ramlogan knew West was a witness. Ramlogan is her advisor. She would have known via Ramlogan. Her stating that Rowley should have told her is smoke and mirrors. Try not to be distracted.
Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:UML try to keep up please. The bolder part was in reference to West being a witness not with respect to the attempt to have him withdraw his witness statement.
The Honourable KPB said West should have told her he was a witness. She said that Rowley should have told her West was a witness. Meanwhile Ramlogan knew West was a witness. Ramlogan is her advisor. She would have known via Ramlogan. Her stating that Rowley should have told her is smoke and mirrors. Try not to be distracted.
UML wrote:Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:UML try to keep up please. The bolder part was in reference to West being a witness not with respect to the attempt to have him withdraw his witness statement.
The Honourable KPB said West should have told her he was a witness. She said that Rowley should have told her West was a witness. Meanwhile Ramlogan knew West was a witness. Ramlogan is her advisor. She would have known via Ramlogan. Her stating that Rowley should have told her is smoke and mirrors. Try not to be distracted.
looks like comprehension is not your strong point![]()
the point was being made that she criticized everyone other than Ramlogan
so everybody wrong and responsible except Rowley?![]()
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yea clearly he DOES NOT SEEK THE COUNTRY'S INTEREST!!!
UML wrote:Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:UML try to keep up please. The bolder part was in reference to West being a witness not with respect to the attempt to have him withdraw his witness statement.
The Honourable KPB said West should have told her he was a witness. She said that Rowley should have told her West was a witness. Meanwhile Ramlogan knew West was a witness. Ramlogan is her advisor. She would have known via Ramlogan. Her stating that Rowley should have told her is smoke and mirrors. Try not to be distracted.
looks like comprehension is not your strong point![]()
the point was being made that she criticized everyone other than Ramlogan
rfari wrote:Has anan sued the socks off express and west yet?
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