The LGBTQ/Pride Debate Take 2

[The_Honourable]

hmmm level beat up in here & allyuh start it early morning ...

Is like the covid ched... articles, studies and beatup

Just waiting for mods to cleanup and lock

[bluefete]

This whole debate has caused me to look at certain things:

I have been clear from day one that my concern is forcing a trans-agenda on children. Big people could do what they want.

How come it is necessary to flaunt your sexual preferences and weaponize it to demand that society listen to you?

What does your sexual preferences have to do with getting a job? Why must you front it in interviews?

Why must organizations fall at the feet of the alphabet people to have a Pride Day / Month?

If we were to have a Straight People month - would RBC and other companies support it?

Every single one of you who claim to support, have deliberately twisted and ignored my one concern: Why must a child be indoctrinated into the trans-agenda? Why must a child suffer genital mutilation to be their authentic self when the western world decries genetic mutilation in Africa and other countries?

Yes, I know that some religions push child marriages at any age. I will never support that.

[bluefete]

hmmm level beat up in here & allyuh start it early morning ...

Is like the covid ched... articles, studies and beatup

Just waiting for mods to cleanup and lock

They did that with the first iteration. They actually deleted it. Now the topic is front and centre in public discussions.

[paid_influencer]

I have been clear from day one that my concern is forcing a trans-agenda on children.

what if I am concerned about schools forcing a religious agenda on children. what can I do how can I protect other people's children from that influence. can i ban their books

[paid_influencer]

They did that with the first iteration. They actually deleted it. Now the topic is front and centre in public discussions.

this ched (was) way more respectful than the last ched. but once adnj gets involved it turns to chit so we probably in line for a lock soon

[bluefete]

I have been clear from day one that my concern is forcing a trans-agenda on children.

what if I am concerned about schools forcing a religious agenda on children. what can I do how can I protect other people's children from that influence. can i ban their books

You can take your child out and send them to a school where religion is not taught. A trans-agenda can lead to adult approved genital mutilation!

[paid_influencer]

I have been clear from day one that my concern is forcing a trans-agenda on children.

what if I am concerned about schools forcing a religious agenda on children. what can I do how can I protect other people's children from that influence. can i ban their books

You can take your child out and send them to a school where religion is not taught. A trans-agenda can lead to adult approved genital mutilation!

not my child, other people's children.

I want to protect other peoples children from being influenced

ban their books etc

[bluefete]

They did that with the first iteration. They actually deleted it. Now the topic is front and centre in public discussions.

this ched (was) way more respectful than the last ched. but once adnj gets involved it turns to chit so we probably in line for a lock soon

adnj is just pushing boundaries. LOL. He has deliberately taken the argument is a particular direction.

[Chimera]

I have been clear from day one that my concern is forcing a trans-agenda on children.

what if I am concerned about schools forcing a religious agenda on children. what can I do how can I protect other people's children from that influence. can i ban their books

You can take your child out and send them to a school where religion is not taught. A trans-agenda can lead to adult approved genital mutilation!

not my child, other people's children.

I want to protect other peoples children from being influenced

ban their books etc

Why you taking medicine for other people sickness? People will protect their own children if they deem it necessary

[bluefete]

I have been clear from day one that my concern is forcing a trans-agenda on children.

what if I am concerned about schools forcing a religious agenda on children. what can I do how can I protect other people's children from that influence. can i ban their books

You can take your child out and send them to a school where religion is not taught. A trans-agenda can lead to adult approved genital mutilation!

not my child, other people's children.

I want to protect other peoples children from being influenced

ban their books etc

Why not your child?

People have to know what they are willing to stand up for.

[bluefete]

I have been clear from day one that my concern is forcing a trans-agenda on children.

what if I am concerned about schools forcing a religious agenda on children. what can I do how can I protect other people's children from that influence. can i ban their books

You can take your child out and send them to a school where religion is not taught. A trans-agenda can lead to adult approved genital mutilation!

not my child, other people's children.

I want to protect other peoples children from being influenced

ban their books etc

Why you taking medicine for other people sickness? People will protect their own children if they deem it necessary

We actually agree on something!

[Chimera]

Blue and other trans haters....I have a question.....

If you in a public setting with your family/kids or even by yourself and you see a gay or lesbo or trans person being bullied who can't defend themselves.....

Would you step in to assist the vulnerable? Or would you mind your own business
Would you just laugh to yourself and say it good for them
Would you join into the bullying?

I am genuinely confused as to why you think any right thinking person would do anything other than assist the person in need? People can not support someone's lifestyle and not want it for themselves eg swinging and still treat them like human beings. That shouldn't be too hard to understand and it isn't. But what it does do is make it easier to sell a story. If we make it seem like every anti alphabet person wants to kill everyone from that community and we don't want them living in our area or breathing our air is easy to see everyone else as bloodthirsty bigoted barbarians. However if we say we don't have a problem how your live your life we just don't want the children being exposed to it at an early age just like you wouldn't want a five year old reading books about alcoholic and tobacco lifestyles or swinging, then it starts to sound almost gasp..... reasonable.

You obviously aren't on social media if you don't know what going on. The most recent being people's reaction to ravi b dubplate for the gay wedding. People's responses are extremely violent

[bluefete]

Blue and other trans haters....I have a question.....

If you in a public setting with your family/kids or even by yourself and you see a gay or lesbo or trans person being bullied who can't defend themselves.....

Would you step in to assist the vulnerable? Or would you mind your own business
Would you just laugh to yourself and say it good for them
Would you join into the bullying?

I am genuinely confused as to why you think any right thinking person would do anything other than assist the person in need? People can not support someone's lifestyle and not want it for themselves eg swinging and still treat them like human beings. That shouldn't be too hard to understand and it isn't. But what it does do is make it easier to sell a story. If we make it seem like every anti alphabet person wants to kill everyone from that community and we don't want them living in our area or breathing our air is easy to see everyone else as bloodthirsty bigoted barbarians. However if we say we don't have a problem how your live your life we just don't want the children being exposed to it at an early age just like you wouldn't want a five year old reading books about alcoholic and tobacco lifestyles or swinging, then it starts to sound almost gasp..... reasonable.

You obviously aren't on social media if you don't know what going on. The most recent being people's reaction to ravi b dubplate for the gay wedding. People's responses are extremely violent

Is threatening violence on FB going to translate into real violence against Ravi B? I hope not. But then there was that other guy in Trincity Mall carpark.

I would not see someone being bullied and not step in. But that is just me and how I was raised.

How come Jowelle is not front and centre of this trans-children agenda thing?

[paid_influencer]

Jowelle did her part, imo. A pioneer, an example, a leader.

but is time the rest ah we take up the task. cyar be Jowelle alone pulling cart

[adnj]

This whole debate has caused me to look at certain things:

I have been clear from day one that my concern is forcing a trans-agenda on children. Big people could do what they want.

How come it is necessary to flaunt your sexual preferences and weaponize it to demand that society listen to you?

What does your sexual preferences have to do with getting a job? Why must you front it in interviews?

Why must organizations fall at the feet of the alphabet people to have a Pride Day / Month?

If we were to have a Straight People month - would RBC and other companies support it?

Every single one of you who claim to support, have deliberately twisted and ignored my one concern: Why must a child be indoctrinated into the trans-agenda? Why must a child suffer genital mutilation to be their authentic self when the western world decries genetic mutilation in Africa and other countries?

Yes, I know that some religions push child marriages at any age. I will never support that.

I am reposting what I posted earlier:

What is the trans agenda?
How can the trans agenda be forced on children?

I seriously doubt that you can clearly articulate what it is simply because you don't know what "they" are doing. You do seem to know that you are not comfortable with, or are perhaps incensed by, whatever it is that you are observing.

[bluefete]

This whole debate has caused me to look at certain things:

I have been clear from day one that my concern is forcing a trans-agenda on children. Big people could do what they want.

How come it is necessary to flaunt your sexual preferences and weaponize it to demand that society listen to you?

What does your sexual preferences have to do with getting a job? Why must you front it in interviews?

Why must organizations fall at the feet of the alphabet people to have a Pride Day / Month?

If we were to have a Straight People month - would RBC and other companies support it?

Every single one of you who claim to support, have deliberately twisted and ignored my one concern: Why must a child be indoctrinated into the trans-agenda? Why must a child suffer genital mutilation to be their authentic self when the western world decries genetic mutilation in Africa and other countries?

Yes, I know that some religions push child marriages at any age. I will never support that.

I am reposting what I posted earlier:

What is the trans agenda?
How can the trans agenda be forced on children?

I seriously doubt that you can clearly articulate what it is simply because you don't know what "they" are doing. You do seem to know that you are not comfortable with, or are perhaps incensed by, whatever it is that you are observing.

You are being deliberately blind. Continue to pretend that you do not know what the agenda is.

Canadian MPs vote to ban LGBT 'conversion therapy'
Published
2 December 2021

Canada's House of Commons has voted unanimously to ban so-called LGBT conversion therapy.

The legislation would make it illegal to have a child undergo the practice or have anyone unwillingly undergo it.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberals proposed the measure, though its passage prompted applause on both sides of the aisle.

Tourism Minister Randy Boissonnault, who is also a special adviser to Mr Trudeau on LGBT issues, said: "No one can consent to torture.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59500095

Policy 713: LGBT school policy change causes political turmoil in Canada
Published 1 day ago By Nadine Yousif BBC News, Toronto

A controversial policy change that bars teachers from using a student's preferred pronouns without parental permission will soon go into effect in New Brunswick despite pushback. It has caused political turmoil in the Canadian province.

In May, under Premier Blaine Higgs, New Brunswick announced that a policy to create a safe space for students who identify as LGBT in schools will be amended, with the changes coming into effect on 1 July.

The amendments to the Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity policy - also known as Policy 713 - removed explicit mention of allowing students to participate in extracurricular activities, including sports teams, that reflect their gender identity.

More controversially, the changes - as explained by the province's education minister Bill Hogan - also forbid teachers from using the chosen preferred names and pronouns of a student under the age of 16 without the consent of their parents.

In cases where it is not possible to get parental permission, the policy states that a student should be sent to a social worker or a psychologist to develop a plan on how to approach their parents.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66061514

[bluefete]

Jowelle did her part, imo. A pioneer, an example, a leader.

but is time the rest ah we take up the task. cyar be Jowelle alone pulling cart

But Jowelle is well liked in the community and is a very good hairdresser. and animal activist. I never heard him preaching the children's trans-agenda.

Didn't Tantie Kams make him a temporary senator for a day?

[alfa]

Jowelle did her part, imo. A pioneer, an example, a leader.

but is time the rest ah we take up the task. cyar be Jowelle alone pulling cart

But Jowelle is well liked in the community and is a very good hairdresser. and animal activist. I never heard him preaching the children's trans-agenda.

Didn't Tantie Kams make him a temporary senator for a day?

Jowell is a good one when it comes to fighting for the animals. Once I gave him a donation to help buy a pump for the animal shelter, should of seen the look on their faces when I walked into the salon lol. Guess I don't look like the usual kinda guys who walk in, meen know

[adnj]

This whole debate has caused me to look at certain things:

I have been clear from day one that my concern is forcing a trans-agenda on children. Big people could do what they want.

How come it is necessary to flaunt your sexual preferences and weaponize it to demand that society listen to you?

What does your sexual preferences have to do with getting a job? Why must you front it in interviews?

Why must organizations fall at the feet of the alphabet people to have a Pride Day / Month?

If we were to have a Straight People month - would RBC and other companies support it?

Every single one of you who claim to support, have deliberately twisted and ignored my one concern: Why must a child be indoctrinated into the trans-agenda? Why must a child suffer genital mutilation to be their authentic self when the western world decries genetic mutilation in Africa and other countries?

Yes, I know that some religions push child marriages at any age. I will never support that.

I am reposting what I posted earlier:

What is the trans agenda?
How can the trans agenda be forced on children?

I seriously doubt that you can clearly articulate what it is simply because you don't know what "they" are doing. You do seem to know that you are not comfortable with, or are perhaps incensed by, whatever it is that you are observing.

You are being deliberately blind. Continue to pretend that you do not know what the agenda is.

Canadian MPs vote to ban LGBT 'conversion therapy'
Published
2 December 2021

Canada's House of Commons has voted unanimously to ban so-called LGBT conversion therapy.

The legislation would make it illegal to have a child undergo the practice or have anyone unwillingly undergo it.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberals proposed the measure, though its passage prompted applause on both sides of the aisle.

Tourism Minister Randy Boissonnault, who is also a special adviser to Mr Trudeau on LGBT issues, said: "No one can consent to torture.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59500095

Policy 713: LGBT school policy change causes political turmoil in Canada
Published 1 day ago By Nadine Yousif BBC News, Toronto

A controversial policy change that bars teachers from using a student's preferred pronouns without parental permission will soon go into effect in New Brunswick despite pushback. It has caused political turmoil in the Canadian province.

In May, under Premier Blaine Higgs, New Brunswick announced that a policy to create a safe space for students who identify as LGBT in schools will be amended, with the changes coming into effect on 1 July.

The amendments to the Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity policy - also known as Policy 713 - removed explicit mention of allowing students to participate in extracurricular activities, including sports teams, that reflect their gender identity.

More controversially, the changes - as explained by the province's education minister Bill Hogan - also forbid teachers from using the chosen preferred names and pronouns of a student under the age of 16 without the consent of their parents.

In cases where it is not possible to get parental permission, the policy states that a student should be sent to a social worker or a psychologist to develop a plan on how to approach their parents.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66061514

Article 1 mentions banning the use of LGBT conversion therapy on anyone in Canada. Article 2 mentions the requirement of parental consent for using chosen pronouns for students that are under 16.

What's the agenda? or are you purposefully being obtuse?

Conversion therapy is a debunked methodology that seeks to "cure" an individual whose sexual preference or gender identity deviates from what was expected at birth.

Parental consent requirements for how a student chooses to be addressed outside of the ordinary appears to be self-explanatory.

Taken together, due to the divergent nature of the two articles, I can only conclude that you have no idea about what you are attempting to address or why it is apparently a point of contention for you.

[bluefete]

Hero shot down by cancel culture: Soldier who saved countless lives in Afghanistan and trained medics for Ukraine is forced to quit the Army for agreeing that men can't be women

But for all his distinguished front-line service over a 14-year military career, the intensive care consultant has now been defeated by a different sort of enemy – the extreme ideology of the trans lobby.

His 'crime'? To share, without comment, a Facebook post that he considered simple common sense – but which promoted an angry backlash from one of his junior officers. The message featured a quote from women's rights campaigner Helen Joyce which read: 'If women cannot stand in a public place and say 'Men cannot be women', then we do not have women's rights at all.'

The horrors of the battlefield are as fresh for Colonel Dr Kelvin Wright (pictured) today as they were at the height of the Afghan conflict

But what happened next is a cautionary tale which illustrates just how much the trans lobby appears to have captured institutions like the British Army.

Despite his years of selfless service, Dr Wright found himself dragged into disciplinary proceedings after a solitary complaint snowballed. It escalated into a seven-page letter – signed by several LGBTQ+ activists and sent to top brass – objecting to Dr Wright remaining in the Army because of his 'anti-trans views' .

Yet Dr Wright was never permitted to see the letter, nor be told of the extent of the allegations it contained. The accusations, and the secrecy which still shrouds them, is, he says, a 'terrible slur on my honour'.

'The Army is absolutely riddled with political correctness and they are completely beholden to the trans lobby. I've nothing against the LGBT community, but there is a small and noisy cabal of activists that treat trans identity like a cult or religion – and woe betide anyone who offends or disagrees with them.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... women.html

[bluefete]

Conversion therapy is a debunked methodology that seeks to "cure" an individual whose sexual preference or gender identity deviates from what was expected at birth.

Parental consent requirements for how a student chooses to be addressed outside of the ordinary appears to be self-explanatory.

Taken together, due to the divergent nature of the two articles, I can only conclude that you have no idea about what you are attempting to address or why it is apparently a point of contention for you.

Isn't it interesting that conversion therapy is considered to be torture (rightfully so) but when children are being mutilated from "male to female" and vice versa, you do not see torture there at all. Maybe, I should post a video but the mods will get upset.

[bluefete]

[adnj]

Conversion therapy is a debunked methodology that seeks to "cure" an individual whose sexual preference or gender identity deviates from what was expected at birth.

Parental consent requirements for how a student chooses to be addressed outside of the ordinary appears to be self-explanatory.

Taken together, due to the divergent nature of the two articles, I can only conclude that you have no idea about what you are attempting to address or why it is apparently a point of contention for you.

Isn't it interesting that conversion therapy is considered to be torture (rightfully so) but when children are being mutilated from "male to female" and vice versa, you do not see torture there at all. Maybe, I should post a video but the mods will get upset.

I don't believe that you even knew what LGBTQ conversion therapy was until an hour ago.

[bluefete]

This is what some of you are supporting.



NO PARENTAL CONSENT!
Patients who want to pursue chest surgery must be at least 15 years old and have the following:

A letter from a medical doctor or nurse practitioner stating that you have "persistent, well documented, gender dysphoria" and specifying either the length of hormone therapy or why you are not taking hormone therapy.

A letter from a mental health provider stating that you have the capacity to consent and that any significant mental health issues are being addressed.


ONCE YOU HAVE MONEY YOU CAN BE UNDER 18 AND GET THE SURGERY.
To qualify for gender affirmation at Boston Children's Hospital, you must be at least 18 years old for phalloplasty or metoidioplasty and for vaginoplasty.

You must also have the following:

A letter from a medical doctor or nurse practitioner stating that you have "persistent, well documented, gender dysphoria" and specifying the length of hormone therapy.

A letter from your regular therapist stating that you have "persistent, well documented, gender dysphoria," that any significant mental health concerns are well controlled and that you have been living full time in your identified gender for at least 12 months.

A second letter, from a mental health professional familiar with the procedure you are seeking, stating you are ready for surgery.

This should include your understanding of the surgery procedure and recovery needs, fertility implications of surgery, and risks of surgery. It should also state that you are able to consent for surgery and include an assessment of your support systems.

https://www.childrenshospital.org/progr ... ty-surgery

[bluefete]

YALE UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE PEDIATRIC GENDER PROGRAM!



Office of LGBTQ Resources

Yale Medicine Pediatric Gender Program
Yale Medicine

When a child has questions or concerns related to gender, the entire family is affected. We are a safe, supportive resource and treatment center for children, adolescents, and young adults who are exploring their gender identity, as well as for their families.

We provide comprehensive, interdisciplinary care for youth who are questioning their assigned gender and/or seeking gender-affirming consultation and treatment. Our multidisciplinary team includes pediatric endocrinologists, a psychologist, psychiatrists, a medical ethicist, and a lawyer. We work closely together, and also consult with a wide array of specialists. Together, we are committed to providing care in compassionate and respectful ways.

At your first visit, you and your family will meet with one of our pediatric endocrinologists and a mental health provider experienced in dealing with gender variance. First and foremost, we make sure we understand your needs and desires.

We will discuss the risks and side effects of any proposed treatments and work together to learn what support systems you and your family already have and determine what else you may need. Connecting patients and their families to helpful resources is an important part of what we do here.

https://lgbtq.yale.edu/resources/yale-m ... er-program

At each step of the way, we discuss your vision for care and address the concerns of patients and family members.

[adnj]

This is what some of you are supporting.



NO PARENTAL CONSENT!
Patients who want to pursue chest surgery must be at least 15 years old and have the following:

A letter from a medical doctor or nurse practitioner stating that you have "persistent, well documented, gender dysphoria" and specifying either the length of hormone therapy or why you are not taking hormone therapy.

A letter from a mental health provider stating that you have the capacity to consent and that any significant mental health issues are being addressed.


ONCE YOU HAVE MONEY YOU CAN BE UNDER 18 AND GET THE SURGERY.
To qualify for gender affirmation at Boston Children's Hospital, you must be at least 18 years old for phalloplasty or metoidioplasty and for vaginoplasty.

You must also have the following:

A letter from a medical doctor or nurse practitioner stating that you have "persistent, well documented, gender dysphoria" and specifying the length of hormone therapy.

A letter from your regular therapist stating that you have "persistent, well documented, gender dysphoria," that any significant mental health concerns are well controlled and that you have been living full time in your identified gender for at least 12 months.

A second letter, from a mental health professional familiar with the procedure you are seeking, stating you are ready for surgery.

This should include your understanding of the surgery procedure and recovery needs, fertility implications of surgery, and risks of surgery. It should also state that you are able to consent for surgery and include an assessment of your support systems.

https://www.childrenshospital.org/progr ... ty-surgery

This is what some of you are supporting.

NO PARENTAL CONSENT!

At what age can a person in Massachusetts consent to all medical procedures?

18 is the age of majority in Massachusetts for all purposes, including consent to medical treatment. Children under 18 are minors and the permission of their parents or guardians is required before they receive many kinds of medical treatment.

Must parents or guardians consent for minors to receive emergency medical treatment?

No, if withholding such treatment would endanger the minor.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/consent-to-med ... s/download

[bluefete]

SICK F..KS! MONEY TALKS WITH THESE HOSPITALS.
THE SICKEST OF THEM ALL



Lurie Children’s Hospital has long supported gender-affirming care for transgender youth, which includes the use of puberty-suppressing treatments when appropriate, as outlined in the AAP policy statement, urging that youth who identify as transgender have access to comprehensive, gender-affirming, and developmentally appropriate health care that is provided in a safe and inclusive clinical space in close consultation with parents or legal guardians.

They must not be denied lifesaving gender-affirming support and clinical care. (OF COURSE NOT BECAUSE IT MEANS MORE MONEY TO BE MADE)


GENDER DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM

Our patients generally fall within one or more of the following groups:

Gender expansive or gender non-conforming children: Children and adolescents who exhibit behavior that is not typical of their assigned birth sex.

Gender-questioning youth: Children and adolescents who are questioning their gender identities (e.g., “I was born a girl, but I wonder if I’m really a boy?”).

Transgender and gender-fluid youth: Children and adolescents who identify as a gender different from their assigned birth sex (e.g., “I was born a girl, but I am really a boy.”).


https://www.luriechildrens.org/en/speci ... t-program/

[bluefete]

At what age can a person in Massachusetts consent to all medical procedures?

18 is the age of majority in Massachusetts for all purposes, including consent to medical treatment. Children under 18 are minors and the permission of their parents or guardians is required before they receive many kinds of medical treatment.

Must parents or guardians consent for minors to receive emergency medical treatment?

No, if withholding such treatment would endanger the minor.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/consent-to-med ... s/download

Endanger the minor how? Suicidal tendencies? Needing their trans-surgery brought forward so money can be made?

You are lucky the surgery videos require age verification on You Tube and I know tuners not going through that trouble.

[The_Honourable]

Good stuff

FYI: Gays against groomers is classified "far right" because the gay community want to kick groomers out and protect children

[Dohplaydat]

I have met so many gays recently that are against trans (claiming LGBT) is being hijacked and becoming too silly and woke.

I'm in NY right now and the number of trans people I've seen in the last week is alarming.

However, one thing that becomes very apparent is that no matter the makeup or surgery, 90% look like men and sound like men.

I'm a very accepting person, open minded, but it's quite jarring and disturbing to see them in real life. Maybe with more exposure and time it'll get easier.

I get they want to fight that social conditioning or stereotypes, but they have to realise that it might never be fully seen as normal.

They're not real women, they haven't had the same life experiences and real biological female issues etc to deal with.

I get individual expression is important too, but they have to understand they seem weird AF and unnatural.

And that's another thing I don't get, are they really happier doing this to themselves? Having the first thing everyone thinks about is that they're trans? That must feel quite screwed up.

If could also be a thing that's led to high suicide rates amongst trans and why that subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/ has over 45k years and continues to grow.

We can't deny people have mental health issues and people are quick to find a solution to it. Trans activist often pray on treens who are depressed, who might be sexually confused and might be very impressionable.

People turn to all kinds of things when depressed, doing all kinds of herbal medicine, obeah, puja, weed, join cults etc.

I'm not saying some gender dysphoria is real and there are legitimate cases, but people need to understand and take time to accept themselves and be comfortable in their own skin.