New Trinidad Traffic Fines + Demerit + Fixed Penalty System

[elec2020]

Are these citations mailed (TTPost) to the offender?
And what if they don't get the mail? Because we all know just how reliable the TTPost is.

Is there an email system of notification?

Not yet, that will be for speed spot and red light cameras. Any tickets issued and printed on site will be handed over immediately

I could be wrong but the legislation for the red light camera and spot speed cameras has not been passed yet... so currently they not enforceable... also i think when they do become live violations will result in only a charge... no demerit points

[adnj]

Benzino get wood

Good for Benz MC

Thats the g class suv?

Don't care all these fvckers including all these big 5hit trinis, I hope they all get charged and build points to take away their permits.

Policing for profit may have some value after all .

I care...they should charge them 200 percent more since they can afford such luxury.

In Finland, speeding fines are linked to salary. The Finns run a “day fine” system that is calculated on the basis of an offender’s daily disposable income – generally their daily salary divided by two.

The more a driver is over the speed limit, the greater the number of day fines they will receive.

This has led to headline-grabbing fines when wealthy drivers have been caught driving very fast.

In 2002, Anssi Vanjoki, a former Nokia director, was ordered to pay a fine of 116,000 euros ($103,600) after being caught driving 75km/h in a 50km/h zone on his motorbike.

And in 2015, Finnish businessman Reima Kuisla was fined 54,000 euro ($62,000) for driving 22km/h over the 50km/h speed limit.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/06/ ... ur-income/

[zoom rader]

^^^ I would welcome a move like that.

Here in Trini , folks with a lil money believe they above the law and can show class privilege .

Charge dey MC

[The_Honourable]

Saw on FB:

PLEASE REVIEW THE DEMERIT POINT SYSTEM...DRIVERS BEING PUNISHED TOO EXESSIVELY FOR MECHANICAL/ ELECTRICAL FAILURE.

[elec2020]

^ i watched most of it... while i get his points i feel no sympathy for the individuals involved in his story... his main arguement is that DUI and reckless drivers should be given demerit points... not those with faulty vehicles as faults can happen at any point in time... yes u are correct their... but where was this outcry before the implementation of the demerit point system... me like others claimed that the system is highly flawed and only meant as a revenue generator for governemtns... but we were ridiculed claiming that people who arguing is those who those speed, etc... no palo to enforce this system governement has to make u accountable in some manner... as the previous system people was ducking charges as they were not being held accountable... so now that u have this system u cant duck charges as your licensce will be flagged once it crosses a certain threshold and if u driving with a suspended licencse is even more demerit points and fines... this system meant to take blood from a stone... is now u guys seeing the flaws in it... lol good luck palo... this system here to stay... all we can do is hope and pray ttps don't find some sheit to charge u with while u driving... till then obey all speed limits... come to a full stop vefore the white line at amber lights and stop signs and monitor/record the state of your vehicle before u leave or have your latest service records/tire change records for police to view

[kamakazi]

So I know in America there are " fix it" tickets, which don't carry demerit points to my knowledge. This could probably solve most of the issues mentioned. If they could get the system amended that would be great... But as pointed out it is a system to make money not for safe driving

I believe you should also be given the chance to fix it on the spot if it is in your power/ability to do so without receiving a penalty once identified.

[elec2020]

The issue with the fix it tickets would be accountability... what consequences will accrue if i dont fix it (in other words to make sure i fix it)... demerit points? Meaning that someone from ttps or licencing have to follow up on that individual (keep in mind our country has a population of 1.3 million)... so it most likely unfeasable to do so... as such they take the hard and fast move and charge u for whatever defect... regardless if ypur windshield got cracked 10 mins before they stopped u... charge in your @ss... this system is just another way for the government to try to get extra revenue... keep in mind we going to (idk if we have done as yet) withdraw from hsf... oil prices low... and energy companies and businesses shutting down/ closing up or letting go staff... we going to be in a deep recession people... u will not feel it too much cause we in an election year but imo 2021 and 2022 will rival what we experienced under NAR

[redmanjp]

^ the fix it tickets should allow at least 48 hrs before u get the demerit points- if could happen a Saturday right when auto-parts shops close and remain closed on Sunday (and they were closed for weeks during lock-down by d way). of course if it's a blown light u probably shouldn't drive during the night until it is fixed- in that case yes u should be charged with demerit points.

[elec2020]

That 48 hrs is a nice caveat... the only issue is follow up responsibilities... will ttps/licenscing be willing to offer their time for these checks and then go back amd update the system accordingly... i think the system as well is meant primarily to enter data... edits to existing records u would like to think is under lock and key... also the fix it ticket would mean u not getting fined unless u aint fix the issue.... that would go against gov's motives for this new system... but your point makes alot of sense... and if it does gain traction but is ignored by government... then it goes to show that the system was just really meant to tax the populace even further

[The_Honourable]

Suggestion: For the fix-it, the driver together with the ticket will have to carry the vehicle to a police station or license office (according to the issue) within a week or stipulated time frames according to the issue. Up to the officer to give an extension in specific circumstances (importing a part for example). Once satisfied, the police or licensing officer can then enter in the system "resolved". If the driver fails to present themselves to the police or licensing officer, the fix-it graduates to a fine and/or demerit points. If you never fix the issue, fix-it ticket ignored, and the police stop you again, you will be disqualified and vehicle impounded.

[zoom rader]

Suggestion: For the fix-it, the driver together with the ticket will have to carry the vehicle to a police station or license office (according to the issue) within a week or stipulated time frames according to the issue. Once satisfied, the police or licensing officer can then enter in the system "resolved". If the driver fails to present themselves to the police or licensing officer, the fix-it graduates to a fine and/or demerit points. If you never fix the issue, fix-it ticket ignored, and the police stop you again, you will be disqualified and vehicle impounded.

Nah that will occupy police time.

Charge dey MC, ent they wanted PNM

Take bull or use your vote wisely this around

[elec2020]

Suggestion: For the fix-it, the driver together with the ticket will have to carry the vehicle to a police station or license office (according to the issue) within a week or stipulated time frames according to the issue. Up to the officer to give an extension in specific circumstances (importing a part for example). Once satisfied, the police or licensing officer can then enter in the system "resolved". If the driver fails to present themselves to the police or licensing officer, the fix-it graduates to a fine and/or demerit points. If you never fix the issue, fix-it ticket ignored, and the police stop you again, you will be disqualified and vehicle impounded.

Very good comment... and that is precisely what u would/should see in first world countries... but as stated earlier this ecercise is purely imo to raise tax funds... if so the government has no incentive to help individuals avoid these 'clear cut' fines... so yh u make real good points... but if this would really happen... lol doubt it

[elec2020]

Suggestion: For the fix-it, the driver together with the ticket will have to carry the vehicle to a police station or license office (according to the issue) within a week or stipulated time frames according to the issue. Once satisfied, the police or licensing officer can then enter in the system "resolved". If the driver fails to present themselves to the police or licensing officer, the fix-it graduates to a fine and/or demerit points. If you never fix the issue, fix-it ticket ignored, and the police stop you again, you will be disqualified and vehicle impounded.

Nah that will occupy police time.

Charge dey MC, ent they wanted PNM

Take bull or use your vote wisely this around

Vote for who though ZR... no one making any sense... i was really enthusiastic about panday's daughter's party... byt she has been real quiet on alot of outstanfing issues... i wpuldnt be surprised if voter turnout is exttemely low this elections coming as... people do want change... but no one really offering anything substantial... PNM just taxing we @ss and doing us what they want... UNC can't get their act together up to now (shoulda clean up the nain heads and reorganize themselves)... COP cant handle power... PEP for the US or someone to sue us for defamation... and PDP who seem like they only know how to get sovial media views/comments... sigh
.

[zoom rader]

Suggestion: For the fix-it, the driver together with the ticket will have to carry the vehicle to a police station or license office (according to the issue) within a week or stipulated time frames according to the issue. Once satisfied, the police or licensing officer can then enter in the system "resolved". If the driver fails to present themselves to the police or licensing officer, the fix-it graduates to a fine and/or demerit points. If you never fix the issue, fix-it ticket ignored, and the police stop you again, you will be disqualified and vehicle impounded.

Nah that will occupy police time.

Charge dey MC, ent they wanted PNM

Take bull or use your vote wisely this around

Vote for who though ZR... no one making any sense... i was really enthusiastic about panday's daughter's party... byt she has been real quiet on alot of outstanfing issues... i wpuldnt be surprised if voter turnout is exttemely low this elections coming as... people do want change... but no one really offering anything substantial... PNM just taxing we @ss and doing us what they want... UNC can't get their act together up to now (shoulda clean up the nain heads and reorganize themselves)... COP cant handle power... PEP for the US or someone to sue us for defamation... and PDP who seem like they only know how to get sovial media views/comments... sigh
.

If you can't or don't want to vote then it's best you migrate .

[maj. tom]

I'm appalled that the lawmakers didn't think of such things, or look at existing systems in the USA/CAN/UK/EU.

California has a system called "fix-it tickets" https://www.courts.ca.gov/9529.htm?rdeLocaleAttr=en

These are the kind of reckless, short-sighted asshuiles we have in Parliament writing our laws?

No they suddenly decide that they can do the best in the entire world and implement these laws without thinking of the real-world consequences to the population. Like if they just wanted to punish the taxpayers without consideration of circumstances. If your bulb blows WHILE YOU ARE DRIVING THE CAR, wtf you supposed to do? Change it while in motion on the highway?

[elec2020]

^ thats a bit extreme... maybe my point earlier was misconstrued... i am not saying dont vote... i am saying who can u vote for when all the options so far not making sense... no one seem equipped to lead us into these trepadatious times... as such voter turnout imo will be low... i may still vote for panday's daughter's party assuming she sent up a rep for my area i know before she said they will not be contesting all seats idk if that has changed... but so far to me her party seems the one most likely to do things different... but so far its real slim pickings

[Pirate]

Suggestion: For the fix-it, the driver together with the ticket will have to carry the vehicle to a police station or license office (according to the issue) within a week or stipulated time frames according to the issue. Once satisfied, the police or licensing officer can then enter in the system "resolved". If the driver fails to present themselves to the police or licensing officer, the fix-it graduates to a fine and/or demerit points. If you never fix the issue, fix-it ticket ignored, and the police stop you again, you will be disqualified and vehicle impounded.

Nah that will occupy police time.

Charge dey MC, ent they wanted PNM

Take bull or use your vote wisely this around

Vote for who though ZR... no one making any sense... i was really enthusiastic about panday's daughter's party... byt she has been real quiet on alot of outstanfing issues... i wpuldnt be surprised if voter turnout is exttemely low this elections coming as... people do want change... but no one really offering anything substantial... PNM just taxing we @ss and doing us what they want... UNC can't get their act together up to now (shoulda clean up the nain heads and reorganize themselves)... COP cant handle power... PEP for the US or someone to sue us for defamation... and PDP who seem like they only know how to get sovial media views/comments... sigh
.

If you are complaining with the current governance and don't want to vote for a change then just close your eyes and pray....
If you think they are doing the best for our country, then proceed to the next party event with a smile.

[j.o.e]

Trinis too slack. Charge dem one time with demerit points. The person who bulb just happen to blow the same day is an outlier.
Cars not being roadworthy is rampant. Fear the points.... fix yuh car.
When the culture changes we could study amending for ‘fix it tickets’

[zoom rader]

Trinis too slack. Charge dem one time with demerit points. The person who bulb just happen to blow the same day is an outlier.
Cars not being roadworthy is rampant. Fear the points.... fix yuh car.
When the culture changes we could study amending for ‘fix it tickets’

All agreed, but it's normally the folk that abide with the laws are so unlucky to get a ticket which is most time beyond their control.

[elec2020]

Suggestion: For the fix-it, the driver together with the ticket will have to carry the vehicle to a police station or license office (according to the issue) within a week or stipulated time frames according to the issue. Once satisfied, the police or licensing officer can then enter in the system "resolved". If the driver fails to present themselves to the police or licensing officer, the fix-it graduates to a fine and/or demerit points. If you never fix the issue, fix-it ticket ignored, and the police stop you again, you will be disqualified and vehicle impounded.

Nah that will occupy police time.

Charge dey MC, ent they wanted PNM

Take bull or use your vote wisely this around

Vote for who though ZR... no one making any sense... i was really enthusiastic about panday's daughter's party... byt she has been real quiet on alot of outstanfing issues... i wpuldnt be surprised if voter turnout is exttemely low this elections coming as... people do want change... but no one really offering anything substantial... PNM just taxing we @ss and doing us what they want... UNC can't get their act together up to now (shoulda clean up the nain heads and reorganize themselves)... COP cant handle power... PEP for the US or someone to sue us for defamation... and PDP who seem like they only know how to get sovial media views/comments... sigh
.

If you are complaining with the current governance and don't want to vote for a change then just close your eyes and pray....
If you think they are doing the best for our country, then proceed to the next party event with a smile.

Alot can be said about the consequences of voting and not voting... my main point is who do u vote for when everyone is more or less trash... no one makes sense... no one has a plan for the future... no one appears like they are equipped to heave us out of the predicament we find ourselves in... i have read all available political mandates... and all are not feasable or implementable given tnt's pressing issues... if no one makes sense u should still vote because if u dont the ruling party wins again? Isnt that why we find ourselves in this predicament... always choosing the lesser of two evils... only to always get screwed over 5 years later... that thinking of voting just because u have too has to change.... we need to show the politicians that we demand more from our representatives... barbados is a shining example of that in place... the mass public outcry fueles mia mottley's push for governance... and based on their BERT plan barbados is moving in the right direction... if we dont do similar in tnt we are doomed to fail

[zoom rader]

Suggestion: For the fix-it, the driver together with the ticket will have to carry the vehicle to a police station or license office (according to the issue) within a week or stipulated time frames according to the issue. Once satisfied, the police or licensing officer can then enter in the system "resolved". If the driver fails to present themselves to the police or licensing officer, the fix-it graduates to a fine and/or demerit points. If you never fix the issue, fix-it ticket ignored, and the police stop you again, you will be disqualified and vehicle impounded.

Nah that will occupy police time.

Charge dey MC, ent they wanted PNM

Take bull or use your vote wisely this around

Vote for who though ZR... no one making any sense... i was really enthusiastic about panday's daughter's party... byt she has been real quiet on alot of outstanfing issues... i wpuldnt be surprised if voter turnout is exttemely low this elections coming as... people do want change... but no one really offering anything substantial... PNM just taxing we @ss and doing us what they want... UNC can't get their act together up to now (shoulda clean up the nain heads and reorganize themselves)... COP cant handle power... PEP for the US or someone to sue us for defamation... and PDP who seem like they only know how to get sovial media views/comments... sigh
.

If you are complaining with the current governance and don't want to vote for a change then just close your eyes and pray....
If you think they are doing the best for our country, then proceed to the next party event with a smile.

Alot can be said about the consequences of voting and not voting... my main point is who do u vote for when everyone is more or less trash... no one makes sense... no one has a plan for the future... no one appears like they are equipped to heave us out of the predicament we find ourselves in... i have read all available political mandates... and all are not feasable or implementable given tnt's pressing issues... if no one makes sense u should still vote because if u dont the ruling party wins again? Isnt that why we find ourselves in this predicament... always choosing the lesser of two evils... only to always get screwed over 5 years later... that thinking of voting just because u have too has to change.... we need to show the politicians that we demand more from our representatives... barbados is a shining example of that in place... the mass public outcry fueles mia mottley's push for governance... and based on their BERT plan barbados is moving in the right direction... if we dont do similar in tnt we are doomed to fail

If you don't like it here then look for a better country where the options are greater to vote for.

Lots of ex trinis already left .

Any of you fvckers don't like it here then leave and stop complaining.

[elec2020]

^ when a convo starts to devolve into profanities its time to put a pin in it

[sMASH]

leave, it is!!

[adnj]

I'm appalled that the lawmakers didn't think of such things, or look at existing systems in the USA/CAN/UK/EU.

California has a system called "fix-it tickets" https://www.courts.ca.gov/9529.htm?rdeLocaleAttr=en

These are the kind of reckless, short-sighted asshuiles we have in Parliament writing our laws?

No they suddenly decide that they can do the best in the entire world and implement these laws without thinking of the real-world consequences to the population. Like if they just wanted to punish the taxpayers without consideration of circumstances. If your bulb blows WHILE YOU ARE DRIVING THE CAR, wtf you supposed to do? Change it while in motion on the highway?

Many US cities have a fix-it ticket system but many US states do not.

In those jurisdictions that do not have fix-it, in the case of defective equipment, fix or repair the problem. Present the vehicle at a local police station for confirmation. Then go to the court and request dismissal at your hearing.

You can go to court and plead any of the Road Traffic Demerit Points System defective equipment infractions.

The two systems are therefore essentially similar.

[zoom rader]

If trins want it removed now is the perfect timing .

Elections around the corner, tell your candidate you disgust on both sides.

Record the conversation with them and hold them accountable.

If not then continue to bump gum.

When you are getting ticketed record the interaction and post on social media.

Invest in a body cam

[aaron17]

Suggestion: For the fix-it, the driver together with the ticket will have to carry the vehicle to a police station or license office (according to the issue) within a week or stipulated time frames according to the issue. Once satisfied, the police or licensing officer can then enter in the system "resolved". If the driver fails to present themselves to the police or licensing officer, the fix-it graduates to a fine and/or demerit points. If you never fix the issue, fix-it ticket ignored, and the police stop you again, you will be disqualified and vehicle impounded.

Nah that will occupy police time.

Charge dey MC, ent they wanted PNM

Take bull or use your vote wisely this around

Vote for who though ZR... no one making any sense... i was really enthusiastic about panday's daughter's party... byt she has been real quiet on alot of outstanfing issues... i wpuldnt be surprised if voter turnout is exttemely low this elections coming as... people do want change... but no one really offering anything substantial... PNM just taxing we @ss and doing us what they want... UNC can't get their act together up to now (shoulda clean up the nain heads and reorganize themselves)... COP cant handle power... PEP for the US or someone to sue us for defamation... and PDP who seem like they only know how to get sovial media views/comments... sigh
.

If you are complaining with the current governance and don't want to vote for a change then just close your eyes and pray....
If you think they are doing the best for our country, then proceed to the next party event with a smile.

Alot can be said about the consequences of voting and not voting... my main point is who do u vote for when everyone is more or less trash... no one makes sense... no one has a plan for the future... no one appears like they are equipped to heave us out of the predicament we find ourselves in... i have read all available political mandates... and all are not feasable or implementable given tnt's pressing issues... if no one makes sense u should still vote because if u dont the ruling party wins again? Isnt that why we find ourselves in this predicament... always choosing the lesser of two evils... only to always get screwed over 5 years later... that thinking of voting just because u have too has to change.... we need to show the politicians that we demand more from our representatives... barbados is a shining example of that in place... the mass public outcry fueles mia mottley's push for governance... and based on their BERT plan barbados is moving in the right direction... if we dont do similar in tnt we are doomed to fail

If you don't like it here then look for a better country where the options are greater to vote for.

Lots of ex trinis already left .

Any of you fvckers don't like it here then leave and stop complaining.

Sounding like a dictator country day.

[elec2020]

It has to be a collaborative effort... one or two voices will be seen as outliers... also in this political season it is fair to assume any promises made right now (especiallywith the mass uncertainty around our future economic fortunes) are false and only meant to score political points

[zoom rader]

If trins want it removed now is the perfect timing .

Elections around the corner, tell your candidate you disgust on both sides.

Record the conversation with them and hold them accountable.

If not then continue to bump gum.

When you are getting ticketed record the interaction and post on social media.

Invest in a body cam

It has to be a collaborative effort... one or two voices will be seen as outliers... also in this political season it is fair to assume any promises made right now (especiallywith the mass uncertainty around our future economic fortunes) are false and only meant to score political points

If trins want it removed now is the perfect timing .

Elections around the corner, tell your candidate you disgust on both sides.

Record the conversation with them and hold them accountable.

If not then continue to bump gum.

When you are getting ticketed record the interaction and post on social media.

Invest in a body cam

[elec2020]

^ fully agreed on the last point... invest in rear and front dash cameras... they will repay themselves tenfold in one incident... they also can prove if u just broke your winshield, possibly your headlights as well, or if your vehicle is leaking fluids... most record audio as well so stay in your vehicle and discuss whatever transgression with the officer and if possible try to steer the direction to make it seem like the officer was just looking for something to charge u with... that ticket would be dropped in the courts if u argue that the officer was engaging in what is known as over reach of the law

[zoom rader]

Trinis rather buy rum and spend money on women than protecting themselfs from paying police taxes.

Protect yourselfs invest in cams and record all dealings with those that want your money.