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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby The_Honourable » July 27th, 2015, 6:41 pm

Well done Guardian
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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby The_Honourable » July 27th, 2015, 6:45 pm

was serious ting
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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby The_Honourable » July 27th, 2015, 6:57 pm

From a time not so long ago
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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » August 3rd, 2015, 11:35 pm

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A Failed Coup in Trinidad and Tobago
Posted: 08/03/2015

On July 27, 1990, a Muslim organization called Jamaat al Muslimeen instigated a coup against the government of Trinidad & Tobago. Forty-two insurgents stormed Parliament, taking Prime Minister A. N. R. Robinson and most of his cabinet hostage in The Red House, Trinidad's parliamentary building, for six days.

At the same time, another 72 rebels attacked the offices of Trinidad & Tobago Television. When instructed to order the army to stop firing on The Red House, Robinson instead instructed them to "attack with full force." At 6:00 p.m., Muslimeen leader Yasin Abu Bakr appeared on television and announced that the government had been overthrown and that he was negotiating with the army. He called for calm and said that there should be no looting.
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Instead, widespread arson and looting took place in the capitol of Port-of-Spain, causing millions in property damage. Twenty-four people died during the coup attempt before the Jamaat al Muslimeen members surrendered on August 1 after receiving a promise of amnesty from the government.

This story was compiled from interviews with Sally Grooms Cowal, Lacy A. Wright Jr., and John Allen Cushing.

Read the entire account on ADST.org.

COWAL: Trinidad had its little political moment. That was just about the time of the Gulf War. The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait was taking place about the same time, so -- not that Trinidad would have gotten much notice anyway, but it got none -- because it was totally overtaken by events. I went down [to Port-of-Spain].

Trinidad was equally divided between the two major ethnic groups, and suddenly in about '89, a "middle way" political party called the NAR (National Alliance for Reconstruction) had sprung up. [It was led by] an Afro-Caribbean leader who had defected from the major African party, a guy named A.N.R. (Arthur Napoleon Raymond) Robinson...
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They (the NAR) were this African party, and although they were very rich, their philosophy was more or less socialist. They pretty much squeezed out any opportunity for the private sector to do very much in Trinidad and also protected the little bit that there was by establishing very high tariff rates and non-tariff barriers to the importation of foreign goods...

[Charles] Gargano was my predecessor, and he paid almost no attention to the running of an embassy whatsoever, or doing the traditional things that ambassadors do. Still, he had a pretty good relationship with that government.

The highest point of criticism might be that when this coup attempt took place, he wasn't anywhere around, and nobody knew he wasn't anywhere around. He just sort of disappeared on weekends and people assumed he disappeared to the quiet of his lovely residence.

But in fact, I guess most weekends he went back to his family and friends in suburban New York, which is from whence he came, from Long Island. At the time the coup took place, he was actually on Long Island, and nobody knew that.

WRIGHT: The coup was by far the most dramatic event ever to have occurred in Trinidad and it was one which really shook the country to its foundations.

They were a very tiny sliver of the population, although I think they mined a rich lode of resentment among the poorer people in Port-of-Spain. They had no real power.

They had squatted on land and the government was in a constant quandary as to whether to throw them off of it. They had just taken over some land that belonged to the government and built on it. So Selwyn Richardson, Minister of National Security, it was his job to figure out how to deal with them. Eventually, he did not throw them off this land, but he made them stop building, earning their wrath.

They had a bunch of grievances against the government, some of them, I guess, valid, and most of them not. The way this happened, however, it could never have happened had they not received guns from guess where -- the United States of America.
They had a guy, it turned out afterwards, who was the number two person in the organization. His name was Bilal [Abdullah].
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He had taken a trip to Miami. He had made contact with an individual who was able to get him a cache of weaponry.

This was sent down to Trinidad disguised as something else. There was a sympathetic customs guy who had been paid off. These were the weapons that were used in this coup.

It also turned out that one of our law enforcement organizations had been on to this guy, the American party, who was in Miami. They knew he was up to something. They knew he was buying weapons. They knew he was going to do no good with them.

But they didn't know where he was going to send them. They knew he was going to send them somewhere. But he eluded them long enough to do what he did.

It also turned out that the Trinidadian Government knew that this guy Bilal had gone to Miami and [the government] had put in a request to the FBI to find out who [Bilal] had been meeting with. The FBI treated this, as far as I can tell, as a kind of routine request.

They threw it into a big hopper with lots of other requests and they finally got him an answer about a week after the coup occurred. Had they done this faster, [the coup] would not have occurred. This became an issue in the Trinidadian papers afterwards.

COWAL: I don't know that it was a coup attempt so much as a hostage-taking. A group of radical black Muslims took over the parliament house and held the prime minister and, I think, 26 members of parliament.

WRIGHT: The prime minister was brutalized during this takeover. Selwyn Richardson, the Minister of Defense, was shot in the leg, very badly treated... One person among the hostages died of a heart attack, but outside even more damage took place.

A fair amount of the downtown was burned down by looters, who took advantage of the situation to wreak havoc. Overall, about 20 people were killed during the whole thing.

So it was a very serious event, and I must say that the reaction of a lot of the Trinidadians, particularly to the Prime Minister, I found shocking. The Prime Minister (seen here) really behaved heroically during the time that this was going on. He was told at one point to go out and talk to the police and tell them to lay off, which he refused to do.

But he got no sympathy from most of the people, certainly from the common people, and instead of being treated like a hero when it was all over, he was the object of lots of criticism for various things.

Probably some of this had to do with his personality: he's kind of an erudite man who speaks like one. There's nothing common about him at all, and this clearly worked to his disadvantage as a politician...

The Muslimeen were being communicated with all the time by the government, which had set up a kind of command center. One of the first things that they did, after a day or so, was to cut off all the telephones to these guys except one.

They found out that these guys were calling all over the world, particularly from the radio station, and talking to the newspapers and everything. Since they owned the telephone system [cutting off phone access] was no problem.

They got in there and fixed it so the Muslimeen could talk to only one person, and that was the government spokesman. So that really contributed to a sense of isolation on their part. They were still making a lot of demands and there were people who wanted to give in to some of these demands.

COWAL: We [the U.S.] sent a team of FBI and people who specialized in hostage negotiation, and it was ended peacefully in the sense of the hostage takers walking out and surrendering and being arrested and then put on trial. This is now many years ago, but they were finally amnestied after some period of time in jail...This [coup attempt] happened right after the Fourth of July.

There were rumors going around that the USS Eisenhower had turned around and was steaming back to Port-of-Spain, which of course was not true. There were also other rumors that we had landed at the airport.

One of the main factors in the resolution of the coup was the staunchness of the Trinidadian military. Trinidad, being a small country, doesn't have a big military, but it has one, and it has a regiment. Their highest ranking officer is a brigadier general, who was a colonel at the time, and his name was Ralph Brown. Ralph Brown deserves a huge amount of the credit for saving Trinidad, and he did it by being absolutely tough ...

It was Ralph Brown and his troops that said, "Forget it. We are not giving in to any of these things." And since they were the guys on the Trinidadian side with the most guns, they were the guys who prevailed.

In the end, Ralph Brown's message to the Muslimeen was, "You guys either come out and surrender, or we're going to kill you." And they thought that over for a while, and they came out and surrendered after about six days.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

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Re: The US Gov't Version of the T&T 1990 Attempted Coup

Postby EmilioA » August 4th, 2015, 7:43 am

Very interesting reading. Particularly how blase the Americans were about the whole thing and how unimportant TT was.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Dizzy28 » August 4th, 2015, 8:00 am

^ LNG was not yet the big thing!!

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby DVSTT » August 4th, 2015, 8:03 am

Where did the Jamaat get the weapons for the coup? Various articles give conflicting reports.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby tr1ad » August 4th, 2015, 8:05 am

Dizzy28 wrote:^ LNG was not yet the big thing!!

not in Trinidad at that time....
following the morning of 9/11 a destroyer was anchored just off ALNG

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Dizzy28 » August 4th, 2015, 8:25 am

Precisely..our strategic importance to the USA was negligible in 1990. We are one the furthest Caribbean islands from the North American Mainland, our output of petroleum was small by international standards,extremists Islamism was not yet in the American consciousness except for the Ayatollah run Iran and the coup wasn't a communist plot (biggest American fear at the time).

By 2001 we were rather important and now sadly that strategic advantage is on the decline.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby The_Honourable » August 4th, 2015, 9:17 am

DVSTT wrote:Where did the Jamaat get the weapons for the coup? Various articles give conflicting reports.


Most sources I read said that 2 men (Haneef and Abdullah) went to Miami and started buying up guns at various gun shows. The purchases were flagged by the US ATF and they began to follow the men. Haneef used a dummy export company to load the guns into a 20ft container and ship to Trinidad under "farm equipment". For some reason, the ATF lost track of the container (which some people find hard to believe).

The ATF still followed the men to Trinidad, reported to the US Embassy on arrival and departure but nothing else was done. It is a debate if the US intentionally allowed things to happen vs negligence by the ATF. The container reached Trinidad, passed through customs and eventually used on July 27th 1990. After the coup, the same ATF agents identified the weapons as those purchased in Miami.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Hyperion » August 4th, 2015, 6:27 pm

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the coup from a US diplomatic perspective

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Rory Phoulorie » July 27th, 2016, 8:19 am

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Dizzy28 » July 27th, 2016, 8:47 am

Remember remember the 5th of Novem.....................27th July!!!!

26 years later and still the terrorists still terrorize.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby randolphinshan » July 27th, 2016, 9:44 am

Stop livin in d past fellas...I say we ready for a next one now with the type of governance we getting from all political parties.

Just let me know before so I can fly Grenada like some of them did.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby sMASH » July 27th, 2016, 10:34 am

... and put who, to do what?

if the system isnt changed, u would get the same bullcrap.


is say, remember july 27th, 1990 because it was the time the regiment actually got something to do.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby 16 cycles » July 27th, 2016, 10:47 am

T&T still suffering from the aftermath of the coup.../crime

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » July 27th, 2016, 11:15 am

Yes 26 years later

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Ronaldo95163 » July 27th, 2016, 1:56 pm

I didnt born yet

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby TurboSingh12 » July 27th, 2016, 2:08 pm

I was watching a cartoon on TTT at the time :?

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby *$kїđž!™ » July 27th, 2016, 2:14 pm

Was in kaydonna drive in at this moment...
Well....imagine after all this ....the person who attempted this coup and responsible for so much deaths still out there normal normAl...

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby noshownogo » July 27th, 2016, 2:26 pm

Part of me also wonders if Abu Bakr and his men were killed, if things would have been even worse for our country?

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Trinispougla » July 27th, 2016, 9:17 pm

Well I was born nines after so hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lol

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby sMASH » July 27th, 2016, 10:09 pm

They had The idea that people would have tallied behind them to take over the country to set it straight.
But the people didn't support them and the effort. What did they do? They supported the military.....
No, they didn't do that even. They just pillaged and looted the unprotected businesses.

If we still feeling effects, is because the trinis are keeping it.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » July 28th, 2016, 5:45 pm

Fuad Abu Bakr: Trinbagonians should know other side of 1990 coup

Fuad Abu Bakr, son of Imam and Jamaat Al Muslimeen leader Yasin Abu Bakr, says there are other sides to the attempted coup on July 27, 1990.

Yesterday, on the 26th anniversary of the event, Bakr reposted to social media two documents which claimed to explain the reasons behind the insurrection.

Bakr captioned his post: "Every story has two sides. Please at least listen to both sides."

Speaking to LoopTT, Bakr says that the act was the result of socio-political pressures and a love of country.

“I think people who want to understand what exactly transpired from all angles should have access to it,” he said of his post.

The document, which bears the national coat-of-arms, is headlined ‘Causes of the Coup Simplified’, and says the coup was caused by actions of the Government led by the National Alliance for Reconstruction (NAR).

“There are two sides to every story and I think we should research everything before we speak about it.”

“A lot of Trinidadians, that’s what they do, they just take what is said to them, most times from one side, without thinking or doing any research...and that is not fair.”

The document lists Government’s decision to remove the Jamaat al Muslimeen from their Mucurapo Road location, and the “attack by corrupt members of the Government and security forces on the Jamaat to protect their interest in the Drug Trade resulting in the murder of WPC Bernadette James by Government officials”.

The document continued that the attempted coup on July 27, 1990 was a “pre-emptive strike, since the Jamaat was warned by sympathizers in Government that Mr Robinson had orchestrated a plan to assassinate the leadership of the Jamaat”.

The document added that the hostages were “corrupt politicians who were responsible for the state of the country and those who planned to kill the Jamaat leaders”.

The document ends the coup was a “revolution for the people born out of love for sweet T&T”.

Bakr, who was a child at the time of the event, said he has spent his life researching the coup, having read many accounts of it from various historical sources, and continues to believe that the act was done with good intentions.

“Things like this don’t happen just like that. They want to blame individuals and label people as ‘crazy’ or Islam or whatever and it’s really not like that, it doesn’t go that way, there’s always a story and a cause-and-effect.”

He says the population needs to be educated further.

“We have a culture of the ‘blame game’ and that is not fair, not only to the individuals that we blame but also to ourselves because when we don’t find out the real reasons and we’re not fair, we leave things to get worse and repeat themselves.”

Bakr said yesterday was a day of reflection which consisted of fasting and prayer.

“I feel that my father (and others) had ideals and they decided to stand up for their ideals and risk their lives. I’m not seeing any men (now) that would be willing to put their life on the line, and stand up for what they think is wrong.”

“I think revolution is sometimes, quoting Che Guevara, ‘born out of love’, love for society, love for what is right, when nothing else is working. It’s tough.”

Bakr also criticised authorities for quelling the recent protest led by television presenter Inshan Ishmael outside of the headquarters of the Guardian Media Limited, which was shut down due to a lack of the requisite permits from the Acting Commissioner of Police.

Yesterday, the nation continued to remember the July 27, 1990 attempted coup during which members of the Jamaat held then Prime Minister ANR Robinson and other government officials hostage at the Red House, as well as the headquarters of the Trinidad and Tobago Television company.

Robinson was shot in the knee after refusing to order the Trinidad and Tobago Defence Force to stand down, instead telling them to "Attack with full force".

MP Leo des Vignes, shot during the storming of the Red House, bled to death before he could get medical help. Approximately two dozen people lost their lives during the insurrection.

On August 1, 1990, the insurgents surrendered.

http://www.loopt.com/content/fuad-abu-b ... -1990-coup

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby The_Honourable » July 28th, 2016, 8:42 pm

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