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Postby DMan7 » February 8th, 2024, 9:55 pm

What about a midget that feels he could join too?

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Postby MaxPower » February 8th, 2024, 10:10 pm

O short boss morning morning officer

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Postby alfa » February 8th, 2024, 10:22 pm

Fun story, couple of years ago during the plandemic I was out of work for 6 months and decided to apply for a lil municipal police wuk as they were recruiting. Couple years later they called me for screening and while there I saw with my own eyes a man get rejected for failing to meet the height requirements and they made him sign something. Lo and behold I saw same dude for the exam phase almost a year later. I also saw a female with visible tatoos on the forearm. Make what of it as you may

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Postby zoom rader » February 9th, 2024, 10:56 am

pugboy wrote:i am guessing them embassy gonna soon reverse all them warnings they send out each month about bad crime here
You can't use those metrics. These embassies have it wrong and PNM Kuñts like Habit7 and wing have right

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Postby Rovin » February 9th, 2024, 11:13 am

160 = 5ft 3" , well he cud comfort himself with d 400k minus legal fees

so if they review d height requirement jes now we see a bunch of short male police

ah hope they cud handle themselves if they hadda apprehend some big tall strapped rowdy thug\s when d moment arises ... or put dem shortmen to do clerical wuk

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Postby wing » February 9th, 2024, 11:54 am

zoom rader wrote:
pugboy wrote:i am guessing them embassy gonna soon reverse all them warnings they send out each month about bad crime here
You can't use those metrics. These embassies have it wrong and PNM Kuñts like Habit7 and wing have right
Barry release you from the "safe" room?

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Postby redmanjp » February 9th, 2024, 12:29 pm

Rovin wrote:160 = 5ft 3" , well he cud comfort himself with d 400k minus legal fees

so if they review d height requirement jes now we see a bunch of short male police

ah hope they cud handle themselves if they hadda apprehend some big tall strapped rowdy thug\s when d moment arises ... or put dem shortmen to do clerical wuk


well they already allow females at 150cm so i doh see why they cant have let's say a 155-160 requirement

a next thing:

“This is particularly troubling in a multi-racial society such as ours as it will have a disproportionate impact on persons who, due to their ethnic origin, are of medium build,” his claim contended.


is he saying there that there is an intentional racial element to this requirement?

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Postby maj. tom » February 10th, 2024, 8:42 am

On the other hand

Judge rejects claim of Muslim cop barred from growing beard


A Muslim police offi­cer who mounted a legal challenge against him being prohibited from growing his beard due to his religious belief has had his claim dismissed.

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/judge-rejects-claim-of-muslim-cop-barred-from-growing-beard/article_75d9e0ba-c7b2-11ee-9e08-abc27315bb5d.html

Justice Betsy Ann Lam­bert-Peterson yes­ter­­day struck out the claim brought by PC Kristian Khan that his constitutional rights to freely practise his religion were being infringed by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS).

Khan claimed that Police Service Regulation 143(3)(b) of 2007 and Standing Order 6 Section 5, which required officers to be clean sha­ven except in cases in which they were medically exempted, were unconstitutional, ille­gal, null and void and of no legal effect.

The defence, on the other hand, submitted that Regulation 143(3)(b) of the 2007 regulation was still saved law. The attorneys contended that Regulation 143(3)(b) was a re-enactment of Regulation 51 of the 1965 regulations, which predated the republican Constitution.

In the end, Justice Lambert-Peterson ruled in favour of the defence, agreeing that the regulation was still saved law and could not be challenged.

The ruling was in contrast to one that was delivered by Justice Robin Mohammed on Thursday, who found that the regulations were not saved and were also unconstitutional.

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Postby pugboy » February 10th, 2024, 8:51 am

when that go to privy council they will win

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Postby pugboy » February 10th, 2024, 9:02 am

heinz say yuh need to be tall enough to be visible

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Postby Chimera » February 10th, 2024, 9:58 am

STUDY OF POLICE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS
NCJ Number 14210
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C A DEMPSEY
Date Published 1974
Length 88 pages
Annotation
A STUDY TO DETERMINE IF THE HEIGHT OF POLICE OFFICERS IS RELATED TO POLICE PERFORMANCE.
Abstract
THE FACTORS THAT WERE CONSIDERED ARE ASSAULTS ON POLICE OFFICERS, INJURIES INCURRED BY POLICE OFFICERS, CITIZEN COMPLAINTS AGAINST POLICE OFFICERS, AND MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS BY POLICE OFFICERS. IT WAS FOUND THAT POLICE OFFICERS OVER 70 INCHES TALL WERE ASSAULTED LESS, WERE INJURED LESS FREQUENTLY, HAD FEWER COMPLAINTS LODGED AGAINST THEM AND, HAD FEWER AUTO ACCIDENTS THAN THEIR DIMINUTIVE BRETHREN. THE RESEARCHERS RECOMMEND THAT THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY RETAIN THEIR MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENT OF 68 INCHES.

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Postby Chimera » February 10th, 2024, 10:04 am

thats a old ass reasoning though
probably when police only had a 6 shot revolver

i swear i know atleast 3 officers who 5 foot tall for the most who went on different undercover stings with me

wud never think they were police how they looked
one was short and tattooed down and always blinged out in heavy gold
he got killed a few years ago for his gold in central

have one in fraud squad pos who could pass for being in form 5 as well

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Postby DMan7 » February 10th, 2024, 10:17 am

I think people need to stop shaming short people, your height is out of your control. People should continue fat shaming though as being overweight in completely within your control and reveals to the world that you are an unhealthy and lazy individual.

So there should definitely have a weight limit for police officers as that more directly affects their performance since their work can become more physically demanding at any given time.

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Postby pugboy » February 10th, 2024, 10:47 am

but a fat cop is more visible than a short cop
it have one in grande bigger than a barrel
see him from a mile away

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Postby MaxPower » February 10th, 2024, 11:24 am

Friends,

Competency is important.

I am a blasted tax payer so when i call upon the TTPS, idgaf if you tall, short, fat or slim….yuh better perform.

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Postby alfa » February 10th, 2024, 12:20 pm

What about WPCs in skirt and males in tight pants and hard boots, how they supposed to run down bandits. I think everyone should be in some form of tactical uniform unless you a desk cop which shouldn't even be a thing. Study that before tall and short

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Postby MaxPower » February 10th, 2024, 1:35 pm

alfa wrote:What about WPCs in skirt and males in tight pants and hard boots, how they supposed to run down bandits. I think everyone should be in some form of tactical uniform unless you a desk cop which shouldn't even be a thing. Study that before tall and short


Alfy,

That’s their social media kits.

How they look and flaunt is their priority.

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Postby pugboy » February 10th, 2024, 1:45 pm

they don’t
they call for what ever task force or patrolling cops in the area

alfa wrote:What about WPCs in skirt and males in tight pants and hard boots, how they supposed to run down bandits. I think everyone should be in some form of tactical uniform unless you a desk cop which shouldn't even be a thing. Study that before tall and short

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Postby Rovin » February 10th, 2024, 7:38 pm

clink link to see erla & behinds pose up in 1 blighting it aready

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... iF7n2AffDg

good choice with d toyotas but i eh so sure d SSangyong ...

$26m in vehicles for police, army

A FLEET of 100 vehicles valued at $26 million was handed over to the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service, the Trinidad and Tobago Transit Police and the Trinidad and Tobago Defence Force yesterday.

The Vehicle Handover Ceremony to the arms of national security took place at Vehicle Management Company of Trinidad and Tobago (VMCOTT) premises, Beetham Gardens in Port of Spain.

Attending the ceremony were Minister of National Security Fitzgerald Hinds, Commissioner of Police Erla Christopher, chairman of VMCOTT Neil Bennett, Air Vice Marshal Darryl Daniel of the TTDF and Director of Law Enforcement Policy (OLEP).

Bennett handed over the fleet consisting of Toyota Corolla sedans, Toyota Hiluxs, Toyota Rav4 SUVs and SSangyong SUVs to Hinds. Hinds said the vehicles will supplement the existing fleet in its anti-crime fight during the Carnival period.

He also underscored that in order for the protective services to push back against criminal elements it was imperative that they be equipped with requisite tools and resources.

He noted that the provision of the fleet to the TTPS, Trinidad and Tobago Transit Police and TTDF was the ministry’s response to a call from these agencies for the additional tools they needed to perform their duties more efficiently.

Hinds said Defence Force will be supplementing the TTPS in its anti-crime initiatives, and the increase in vehicles means that there will be an increased security presence in the country which will act as a deterrent to criminal activity.

“This was the idea when the National Security Council decided to follow the request and support the request of these leaders (of security agencies). It was to create visibility, it was to enhance swiftness and mobility, agility and response to the citizens when they need us wherever they need us,” he said. Commenting on the shortage of response police vehicles, Hinds said in recent times he has not received any “major complaints” on vehicle shortages at police stations.

“The police simply from a common sense perspective cannot be everywhere in every house, by every gate, by every bar where something untoward may happen but I think that we can occupy the places where we can be and these vehicles are designed to enhance that occupation and as I say response and agility to the crime patterns in the country.”

Ready to serve

Asked by the Express what is his message to the criminal elements who may be planning to engage in illegal activities now that the country is approaching the peak of the Carnival season, Hinds responded: “I want them to take note of the fact that the 10,000 officers of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service are well trained, well motivated, confident and will continue in accordance with the laws that govern them stand in defence of the people of Trinidad and Tobago, supported of course by the Defence Force.”

He also said that, based on a security briefing he had on Thursday, air, sea and land operations have already begun and will continue into Carnival and thereafter. Police Commissioner Erla Christopher also reinforced that the new addition to the fleet of TTPS vehicles will assist in achieving and maintaining its anti-crime operations but added that vehicles alone do not solve crime.

“I want to recognise the hard-working officers who continue to put their lives at risk on a daily basis. And I want to use this opportunity to thank them and assure them that all their issues will be addressed....I want to assure the nation of the commitment of the officers of Trinidad and Tobago Police Service. We understand what is required and we are ready and capable.”

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Postby alfa » February 10th, 2024, 9:07 pm

I always wonder why police vehicles does be dinged up so, crash and chase with bandits or govt property so meen really care how i reverse/cut in/cut out etc?

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Postby maj. tom » February 15th, 2024, 8:49 am

Police can’t release mugshots to public

THE Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS) does not have the lawful authority to release mugshots of individuals who are charged with criminal offences to the public, the High Court has ruled.

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/police-can-t-release-mugshots-to-public/article_9c533862-cba0-11ee-998b-77ca2a423264.html
Mugshot images are captured for a specific purpose under section 50 of the Police Service Act, and it does not include public dissemination, Justice Frank Seepersad ruled yesterday.

The judge said it was clearly stated under the section that such images were to only be used in the course of the prosecution of criminal offences, inclusive of the preparation of internal police files to advance any instituted prosecution.

Justice Seepersad made the findings as he delivered judgment in a lawsuit filed by Cpl Narindra Beharry against the Office of the Attorney General.

The judge did not award any damages to the officer. Instead, he directed that both parties bear their own legal costs.

The officer claimed the dissemination of his personal information, including his mugshot by the TTPS in January 2023, after he was charged with assault occasioning actual body harm, infringed his rights to privacy and/or his right to equality of treatment by a public authority.


Yes it's supposed to be innocent until proved guilty. After conviction post up the criminals, not the accused.

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Postby redmanjp » February 15th, 2024, 2:46 pm

maj. tom wrote:
Police can’t release mugshots to public

THE Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS) does not have the lawful authority to release mugshots of individuals who are charged with criminal offences to the public, the High Court has ruled.

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/police-can-t-release-mugshots-to-public/article_9c533862-cba0-11ee-998b-77ca2a423264.html
Mugshot images are captured for a specific purpose under section 50 of the Police Service Act, and it does not include public dissemination, Justice Frank Seepersad ruled yesterday.

The judge said it was clearly stated under the section that such images were to only be used in the course of the prosecution of criminal offences, inclusive of the preparation of internal police files to advance any instituted prosecution.

Justice Seepersad made the findings as he delivered judgment in a lawsuit filed by Cpl Narindra Beharry against the Office of the Attorney General.

The judge did not award any damages to the officer. Instead, he directed that both parties bear their own legal costs.

The officer claimed the dissemination of his personal information, including his mugshot by the TTPS in January 2023, after he was charged with assault occasioning actual body harm, infringed his rights to privacy and/or his right to equality of treatment by a public authority.


Yes it's supposed to be innocent until proved guilty. After conviction post up the criminals, not the accused.



but..

https://newsday.co.tt/2024/02/14/police-can-publish-an-accuseds-photo-but-no-mugshots/


Police can publish an accused's photo but no mugshots

THE POLICE SERVICE can publish images, names and addresses of an accused where the law permits it.

However, the TTPS cannot disseminate the police booking photographs or mugshots. This was the ruling of Justice Frank Seepersad on February 14, as he upheld only one aspect of a police officer’s lawsuit against the State.

Acting Cpl Narindra Beharry, who saw his mugshot on several media sites and complained that the dissemination of his mugshot violated his right to privacy, sued the State for the alleged breaches of his constitutional rights.

The right to privacy aspect of Beharry’s claim was rejected by the judge. He did agree the police acted inappropriately by publishing the officer’s mugshot, although he did not award him any compensation.

In his ruling, Seepersad said, “This society is inundated with criminal activity and most citizens live in fear. With every passing year, the situation worsens.

“There seems to be no effective plan to abate the lawlessness and members of the public feel helpless. Against this backdrop of societal dysfunction, citizens and residents should be made aware of the persons who are charged and brought before the court,” he said, as he held that the police can publish photographs of an accused person.

“The free and unfettered dissemination of information within the parameters of the law is one of the foundational pillars upon which a democracy is premised.

“Once persons are charged, save where the statute prohibits, the media and the TTPS cannot be condemned if they elect to publish the image of accused persons and it is ludicrous to contend that any such publication infringes the right to privacy or that same is defamatory.”

He said the police had a duty to keep the public informed.

“The claimant is a police officer and having found himself in a situation where a criminal charge had to be instituted against him, he cannot now claim that he has a right to privacy with the dissemination of his image for the said charge.”

He said the police could use photographs of an accused already in the public domain.

For officers, the police can use photos on their files such as those when officers applied for the job, those available on the internet or updated photos taken for employment records.

“The court is therefore resolute in its view that it was in the public’s interest to publish an image of the claimant but finds that an unauthorised or improper photograph was used…”

However, he said the legislation limited the use of mugshots for identification purposes only.

“The TTPS has no legislative authority nor does it have the capacity to interpret, alter or amend legislation.”

He was referring to the police's media policy explained by ASP Joanne Archie, manager of the police service’s corporate communications unit, which was updated in 2021 and approved in January 2022. It is reviewed every two years, with the next review carded for January 2024.

Seepersad said the implementation of the policy to use mugshots to identify an accused to the public was flawed.

“An internal TTPS ‘media policy’ cannot be used to circumvent the limitations imposed under section 50 of the Act. Mugshots carry a sinister connotation. The unique way in which these shots are taken communicates that the person whose image has been captured has been charged with a criminal offence and it would be patently unfair and prejudicial for an individual who has been acquitted to have his mugshot available for public access, in perpetuity.”

In declaring that the police could publish the photograph of an accused, Seepersad said, “The public at large, except where a matter is to be conducted in camera, has the right to attend a court hearing and to view the proceedings. The judicial system itself does not shield members of the public from knowing the identity of accused persons.”

He said an individual’s rights and those of the general interest of the community must be balanced.

“There can be no merit in the assertion that the right to privacy prohibits the dissemination of an accused’s image.

“Although the presumption of innocence is the golden thread that is interwoven into the fabric of the criminal justice system, the fact that a person is charged, cannot be ignored…

“In a society plagued by crime, the rights of those who are charged cannot trump the rights of those who elect to obey the law and law-abiding citizens should be provided with any information which enables them to institute the necessary adjustments and engage the requisite precautions to protect their property and person.”


He added, “Unless a statute provides otherwise, there can be no legitimate prohibition against the publication of the photograph of any accused.”

Seepersad said photographs obtained from social media could be published by the media and the police but not mugshots.

In January 2023, Beharry was charged with assaulting a civilian at the Valencia police post on July 3, 2022.

Officers of the Professional Standards Bureau took his police booking photograph after he was charged, which he acknowledged, was the standard procedure under the Police Service Act, which permits the taking of a photograph of someone charged for identification purposes.

Beharry said after he appeared in court virtually, he was shocked to see his mugshot in circulation in the print, television and social media as well as on the police service’s Beyond the Tape television programme.

Beharry’s photograph accompanied a media release from the police service’s communications department on January 13, 2023.

He says his mugshot is still in circulation on the internet.

In 2021, Justice Margaret Mohammed ordered the police commissioner to destroy mugshots and physical measurement records of persons acquitted of criminal offences who have no pending matters before the courts.

In February 2023, Justice Carol Gobin also ruled on a lawsuit by a local golfer involving the police using his mugshot, which accompanied a police press release when he was charged.

Since the ruling by both judges, the police service no longer provides photographs with their media releases when someone is charged with an offence.

In October 2023, a High Court judge also ordered compensation for another police officer whose mugshot was disseminated by the police to media houses and the public after he was charged with misbehaviour in public office.

Attorneys Lee Merry and Kelston Pope represented Beharry. Janique Mitchell represented the State.


so i guess d idea is not to publish mugshots because if u turn out to be innocent that photo could tarnish your character forever as it stays on the internet forever whereas an ordinary photo doesn't?

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Postby screwbash » February 23rd, 2024, 2:40 am

can the police commissioner permanently make a road one way by putting up a "no entry by order of commissioner of police" sign? or is this a function of the Minister of works.

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Postby pugboy » February 26th, 2024, 6:40 pm

now watch beyond tape for first time with new clowns, real failure
time to close that show

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Postby alfa » February 26th, 2024, 8:37 pm

pugboy wrote:now watch beyond tape for first time with new clowns, real failure
time to close that show

I see sandra and fly make up back, he probably trying to worm he way back into fly's program as he's off this one. Sad we

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Postby sMASH » February 26th, 2024, 9:24 pm

He gone back by the ex, until the main ting soften up

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Postby pugboy » February 26th, 2024, 9:34 pm

man like to be heard and get silenced now
is real pressure when yuh source of power gone in a flash so

no more gallerying about who have gifts

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Postby mero » February 27th, 2024, 8:56 am

Who de forq allyuh talking bout? Who is fly? Marlan?

Who is who ex?

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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » February 27th, 2024, 9:34 am

mero wrote:Who de forq allyuh talking bout? Who is fly? Marlan?

Who is who ex?


:lol:

Sandra and Ian make back up

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Postby mero » February 27th, 2024, 10:25 am

Blessings dey shakes

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