Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

[adnj]

Did you all read the conclusion of the paper or just the headline?

They did not. Just the headline.

[Chimera]

Them fellas so does still think "to kill a mockingbird " is about killing a bird.

Only read the title and nothing else

[adnj]

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[Redman]

Did you all read the conclusion of the paper or just the headline?

Just the part that says Ivermectins effect is debatable.
It's in your post.

But not debatable here.

Lol.


There are studies for and against.
As I said pick your poison

[Dohplaydat]

I mean the general consensus now is that Ivermectin is marginally beneficial if at all, basically probably performs as well as a placebo in most cases.

No miracle cure, not even close.

But year I'm sure it's a coverup and Big Pharma secretly paying all theses researches to say and publish (and obviously pay off the peer reviewer) that Ivermectin doesn't work.

[Redman]

I mean the general consensus now is that Ivermectin is marginally beneficial if at all, basically probably performs as well as a placebo in most cases.

No miracle cure, not even close.

But year I'm sure it's a coverup and Big Pharma secretly paying all theses researches to say and publish (and obviously pay off the peer reviewer) that Ivermectin doesn't work.

There are people to listen to, and there are quacks on both sides of the Ivermectin debate.

The serious people never positioned the drug as a cure or a miracle replacement for vaxxes.

Between the onset of symptoms and the hospitalizations is where the Ivermectin is shown to be of benefit.

[Chimera]

The problem with WHO saying ivermectin effective or useful is that people would choose not to take the vaccine and have ivermectin on standby in case they get sick.

[adnj]

The problem with WHO saying ivermectin effective or useful is that people would choose not to take the vaccine and have ivermectin on standby in case they get sick.

If ivermectin were very effective, it is in the interest of the nations that cannot acquire or distribute vaccines to use the drug.

Nearly every nation in the world with a hospital and COVID-positive people in the population should have the staff available to run a clinical study on the efficacy of ivermectin at dose.

[PariaMan]

Took the pfizer booster After AZ. Just AZ lil hand pain and not much else

[Redman]

The problem with WHO saying ivermectin effective or useful is that people would choose not to take the vaccine and have ivermectin on standby in case they get sick.

The irony is that the WHO has Ivermectin on it s Model List of Essential Medicines.

Not indicated for Covid- but certainly says something about the Ivermectin's real world safety.
About 4B doses over the last 3 decades is pretty much the actual history.

The dosages for the indicated use and the C19 protocols are plus or minus in range of each other.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

The problem with WHO saying ivermectin effective or useful is that people would choose not to take the vaccine and have ivermectin on standby in case they get sick.

The irony is that the WHO has Ivermectin on it s Model List of Essential Medicines.

Not indicated for Covid- but certainly says something about the Ivermectin's real world safety.
About 4B doses over the last 3 decades is pretty much the actual history.

The dosages for the indicated use and the C19 protocols are plus or minus in range of each other.

Historically it is shown that hammers are highly effective at driving nails, even OSHA certified, but it is debatable if they are any good at cutting wood at 45º mitres and probaby not recommended by OSHA. I mean if you try it enough times you might get lucky that a piece of wood may break at exactly 45º but it's just that - coincidence.

[adnj]

COVID-19 Vaccine Hesitancy Linked to Childhood Trauma

Vaccine hesitancy was 3 times higher among people who had experienced 4 or more types of trauma as a child than it was among those who hadn’t experienced any, the findings show.

Childhood adversity is strongly linked to poor mental health. And some studies have suggested that mistreatment as a child may undermine subsequent trust, including in health and other public services.

The survey asked about 9 types of childhood trauma before the age of 18: physical, verbal, and sexual abuse; parental separation; exposure to domestic violence; and living with a household member with mental illness, alcohol and/or drug misuse, or who was in prison.

And it collected personal details and experiences of long term health conditions, levels of trust in health service information on COVID-19, and attitudes towards COVID-19 restrictions and vaccination.

... Respondents who expressed little or no trust in NHS COVID-19 information and who felt government restrictions were very unfair were more likely to favour the immediate ending of regulations on social distancing and mandatory face coverings.

And they were more likely to say they had flouted the regulations occasionally and to profess reluctance or refusal to get jabbed.

For example, four out of 10 of those reporting low levels of trust in NHS COVID-19 information also reported vaccine hesitancy, compared with just 6% of those who did trust this source of information.

And a similar proportion of those who didn’t really trust NHS COVID-19 information admitted to flouting the regulations occasionally, compared with around 1 in 4 of those who did trust this source.

Increasing numbers of childhood traumas were independently associated with low levels of trust in NHS COVID-19 information, feeling that government restrictions were unfair, and wanting mandatory face coverings to be ditched.

https://neurosciencenews.com/covid-19-v ... 20001/amp/

[Redman]

The problem with WHO saying ivermectin effective or useful is that people would choose not to take the vaccine and have ivermectin on standby in case they get sick.

If ivermectin were very effective, it is in the interest of the nations that cannot acquire or distribute vaccines to use the drug.

Nearly every nation in the world with a hospital and COVID-positive people in the population should have the staff available to run a clinical study on the efficacy of ivermectin at dose.

This has been a question Ive had-
This article speaks around that-its a easy read.-essentially points to Vax Apartheid as a possible, but goes on from there.
https://www.nst.com.my/opinion/columnis ... -hot-topic

Meanwhile there are serious qualified people that are successfully treating people with C19.- but there is a massive reaction to any publication of this-see the Joe Rogan blow up after he got the virus.

In terms of studies-there are many done-the prudence of running with the results from a SINGLE study is debatable- The below doc goes into your question from a different angle.

This from Japanese Journal of Antibiotics
https://www.psychoactif.org/forum/uploa ... _44-95.pdf

Global trends in clinical studies of ivermectin
in COVID-19

The publication
of the results of the first clinical trial of ivermectin for COVID-19 in the world was
an observational study conducted at four related hospitals in South Florida, USA.
The mortality rate of 173 patients in the ivermectin group was 15.0%, which was
significantly (p＝0.03) superior to 25.2% of 107 patients in the control group. This
result was published as a medRxiv preprint on the 6th of June 2020, but its value was
not recognized at the time because it had not yet been peer reviewed. Following peer
review, it was published without any changes in the prestigious journal Chest on the
13th of October.
Since then, numerous clinical trials have been conducted in various countries
around the world. As of the 30th of January 2021, a total of 91 trials in 27 countries
has been recorded at these registration sites. There are 43 trials in phase 3 and 27
trials in phase 2, along with 17 observational studies. This includes 80 trials being
conducted for therapeutic purposes and 11 for the purpose of preventing the onset of
disease in close contacts and healthcare professionals.
Furthermore, by the 27th of February, the results of 42 clinical trials, including
approximately 15,000 patients (both registered and unregistered studies) have been
subjected to a meta-analysis after exclusion of biasing factors. It was found that 83%
showed improvements with early treatment, 51% improved during late-stage
treatment, and there was an 89% prevention of onset rate noted. This confirms the
usefulness of ivermectin. Since it is a meta-analysis based on 42 test results, it is
estimated that the probability of this comprehensive judgment being a mistake is as
low as 1 in 4 trillion. In addition, two separate meta-analyses also showed the usefulness of ivermectin and their conclusions were presented to the WHO and the
US FDA with a request for an expansion of the indication of ivermectin in the
treatment of COVID-19.

[matr1x]

That some level BS there.

How about lack in trust in institutions that lie over and over? How about being an adult with more than 2 brain cells?

[matr1x]

That's hunting for cause to fit the situation.

[Redman]

The problem with WHO saying ivermectin effective or useful is that people would choose not to take the vaccine and have ivermectin on standby in case they get sick.

The irony is that the WHO has Ivermectin on it s Model List of Essential Medicines.

Not indicated for Covid- but certainly says something about the Ivermectin's real world safety.
About 4B doses over the last 3 decades is pretty much the actual history.

The dosages for the indicated use and the C19 protocols are plus or minus in range of each other.

Historically it is shown that hammers are highly effective at driving nails, even OSHA certified, but it is debatable if they are any good at cutting wood at 45º mitres and probaby not recommended by OSHA. I mean if you try it enough times you might get lucky that a piece of wood may break at exactly 45º but it's just that - coincidence.

Sure that would be outside the approved guidelines of usage, but your analogy is off ,the usage of the drug remains the same-just the intent is different.

If you are using the hammer in the same way -banging away (regardless of your GOAL) you are just as safe.
Granted it might take a while to get the 45º mitre
The point here is that if people use the Ivermectin within the same proven guidelines that it is indicated for,-they probably will not get sick...thats all.

[Dohplaydat]

That some level BS there.

How about lack in trust in institutions that lie over and over? How about being an adult with more than 2 brain cells?

Looks like someone needs a hug

[Carbon12]

The problem with WHO saying ivermectin effective or useful is that people would choose not to take the vaccine and have ivermectin on standby in case they get sick.

The irony is that the WHO has Ivermectin on it s Model List of Essential Medicines.

Not indicated for Covid- but certainly says something about the Ivermectin's real world safety.
About 4B doses over the last 3 decades is pretty much the actual history.

The dosages for the indicated use and the C19 protocols are plus or minus in range of each other.

Historically it is shown that hammers are highly effective at driving nails, even OSHA certified, but it is debatable if they are any good at cutting wood at 45º mitres and probaby not recommended by OSHA. I mean if you try it enough times you might get lucky that a piece of wood may break at exactly 45º but it's just that - coincidence.

Let's all use 20w50 in every single engine, because it is proven to work. Your logic not logic-ing.

[adnj]

Repost:

Ivermectin as Potential COVID-19 Treatment Gets Studied at Duke University

Jan. 21, 2022 -- Doctors at Duke University are leading a national study to test whether three drugs could effectively treat COVID-19 — including ivermectin — according to The News & Observer.

The study, which began last summer, is attempting to provide a comprehensive assessment of the controversial treatment. Ivermectin has been celebrated by some as a potential COVID-19 treatment and ridiculed by others who say there’s no proof that the drug works against the coronavirus, and in fact, could be harmful to patients.

“There were some early studies that showed that it could potentially be helpful with COVID-19, but they were not large enough to be definitive,” Adrian Hernandez, MD, one of the study leaders and a cardiologist at Duke University, told the newspaper.

“So we want to know either way, is it potentially beneficial or not,” he said.

... “We should understand if there are any benefits,” he told the newspaper. “And if not, we should be able to report that back out to the public clearly and note what shouldn’t be done.”

The Duke study is testing three drugs under ACTIV-6, which is one of a series of studies of potential COVID-19 treatments and vaccines launched by the National Institutes of Health. The goal is to find treatments and vaccines that could make COVID-19 as manageable as the seasonal flu.

The two other drugs in the study are fluvoxamine, a medicine often prescribed for depression and obsessive-compulsive disorder, and fluticasone furoate, a steroid medication prescribed through an inhaler for asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).

All three drugs are approved for use in humans, are proven to be safe, and are easy to use at home, the newspaper reported. They also rarely interact with other medications, which could make them good options to treat mild to moderate cases of COVID-19.

“Just like we’re trying to do testing at home, we’re looking at how can you conveniently do treatment at home,” Hernandez said.

About 2,500 people from across the U.S. have taken part in the ACTIV-6 study so far. To qualify, study participants must be 30 or older, have tested positive for the coronavirus within the previous 10 days, and have at least two symptoms. They receive an overnight package with one of the drugs or a placebo, and report how they’re feeling each day by phone or online.

Researchers at Duke are looking for evidence that the drugs either shorten the time that people feel sick or prevent them from getting worse and needing hospitalization, the newspaper reported.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2022012 ... university

[adnj]

83 Studies found for: ivermectin | COVID-19

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/resu ... rch=Search

[adnj]

Exposure to one nasal droplet enough for Covid infection – study | Coronavirus

Wed 2 Feb 2022

Exposure to a single nasal droplet is sufficient to become infected with Covid-19, according to a landmark trial in which healthy volunteers were intentionally given a dose of the virus.

The trial, the first to have monitored people during the entire course of infection, also found that people typically develop symptoms very quickly – on average, within two days of encountering the virus – and are most infectious five days into the infection.

The study was carried out using a strain of the virus before the emergence of the Alpha, Delta and Omicron variants. ...

The study found that the infection first appears in the throat and that infectious virus peaks about five days into infection, by which point the nose has a much higher viral load than the throat. The study also suggested that lateral flow tests are a reassuringly reliable indicator of whether infectious virus is present. Swabbing the nose and throat makes it more likely to detect infections during the first few days, the work suggests.

“We found that overall, lateral flow tests correlate very well with the presence of infectious virus,” said Chiu. “Even though in the first day or two they may be less sensitive, if you use them correctly and repeatedly, and act on them if they read positive, this will have a major impact on interrupting viral spread.”

The study also revealed that of the 18 people who became infected, all had similar viral loads regardless of whether they developed symptoms, underlining the role of asymptomatic transmission.

Prof Wendy Barclay, the head of the department of infectious disease at Imperial College London, said: “A lot of people could be walking around shedding virus and not realising. It’s really marked with this virus.”

Intriguingly, some of those who did not meet the threshold for being infected also had very low levels of virus detectable in their noses and throats, suggesting that they may have experienced a very short-lived infection that was seen off by immune activity in the lining of the nose and throat.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... tion-study

[ed360123]

That some level BS there.

How about lack in trust in institutions that lie over and over? How about being an adult with more than 2 brain cells?

Lack of trust in institutions, sure, valid point. But don't try to pretend that not wanting to get vaccinated makes you smarter than anyone else.

[matr1x]

That some level BS there.

How about lack in trust in institutions that lie over and over? How about being an adult with more than 2 brain cells?

Looks like someone needs a hug

6 ft apart. Apparently.


Also, tell me how the vaccine is saving ppl?

[drchaos]

Man gone from PROF. Meme to PROF Repost.

The narrative continues to collapse

Men on this forum gone from saying its horse medicine and don't do sheit ... TO now saying it does work but in high concentrations.

I wonder what another year will do to their opinions.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

The problem with WHO saying ivermectin effective or useful is that people would choose not to take the vaccine and have ivermectin on standby in case they get sick.

The irony is that the WHO has Ivermectin on it s Model List of Essential Medicines.

Not indicated for Covid- but certainly says something about the Ivermectin's real world safety.
About 4B doses over the last 3 decades is pretty much the actual history.

The dosages for the indicated use and the C19 protocols are plus or minus in range of each other.

Historically it is shown that hammers are highly effective at driving nails, even OSHA certified, but it is debatable if they are any good at cutting wood at 45º mitres and probaby not recommended by OSHA. I mean if you try it enough times you might get lucky that a piece of wood may break at exactly 45º but it's just that - coincidence.

Let's all use 20w50 in every single engine, because it is proven to work. Your logic not logic-ing.

Sorry not sure I follow what you are saying

[bamfo_dennis]

i think he agreeing with you.

[paid_influencer]

Man gone from PROF. Meme to PROF Repost.

The narrative continues to collapse

Men on this forum gone from saying its horse medicine and don't do sheit ... TO now saying it does work but in high concentrations.

I wonder what another year will do to their opinions.

they will pretend they were right all along and anything they were wrong about simply didn't happen and you are remembering it wrong.

legit 1984 style brainwashing happened in 2020 to 2022, and continues to happen, but nobody cares and you will gain no traction.

you fight that fight if you want drchaos, but I going to watch TV and play with my toys because I tired of all that.



"He accepted everything. The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. Jones, Aaronson, and Rutherford were guilty of the crimes they were charged with. He had never seen the photograph that disproved their guilt. It had never existed, he had invented it. He remembered remembering contrary things, but those were false memories, products of selfdeception. How easy it all was! Only surrender, and everything else followed. It was like swimming against a current that swept you backwards however hard you struggled, and then suddenly deciding to turn round and go with the current instead of opposing it. Nothing had changed except your own attitude: the predestined thing happened in any case. He hardly knew why he had ever rebelled."

[ed360123]

That some level BS there.

How about lack in trust in institutions that lie over and over? How about being an adult with more than 2 brain cells?

Looks like someone needs a hug

6 ft apart. Apparently.


Also, tell me how the vaccine is saving ppl?

*ahem*

[ed360123]

Man gone from PROF. Meme to PROF Repost.

The narrative continues to collapse

Men on this forum gone from saying its horse medicine and don't do sheit ... TO now saying it does work but in high concentrations.

I wonder what another year will do to their opinions.

It still has no scientific evidence for use against COVID.

[Redman]

More false information.