"Official" POLICE & Police Commisioner Related Matters thread ...

[paid_influencer]

i think after I left they made the 110 hour weeks down to a cap of like 80 hour weeks.

that doesn't include time spent in transit, or having to cook/clean/etc outside of work. they used to tell you not to have kids, because that would not really be feasible.

the problem with capitalism now is those 8-hour shifts you talk about don't pay a living wage. so people on the bottom of the ladder have to take multiple shifts to make ends meet. and never getting paid overtime, since those shifts are with different employers. I keep telling people we have to focus on worker rights, living wages, and them feel i on chit

[pugboy]

allyuh never hear about junior doctor shifts in a hospital

[paid_influencer]

allyuh never hear about junior doctor shifts in a hospital

my point is what Hinds is doing might be even more intensive than that

[pugboy]

question what hinds does is pointless
nobody knows what he has ever done in any ministry for decades

he’s like the stapler chap in that movie office space

allyuh never hear about junior doctor shifts in a hospital

my point is what Hinds is doing might be even more intensive than that

[AlphaMan]

Erla is clearly a failure but you can't blame her because the corruption in there can't be controlled. Rolwey can stop crime either because it's big business.
White color crime fueling the black color crime. People have to eat when morning come. Crime paying the bills.

[pugboy]

at expense largely of indian business owners and chinee groceries

Erla is clearly a failure but you can't blame her because the corruption in there can't be controlled. Rolwey can stop crime either because it's big business.
White color crime fueling the black color crime. People have to eat when morning come. Crime paying the bills.

[AlphaMan]

at expense largely of indian business owners and chinee groceries

Erla is clearly a failure but you can't blame her because the corruption in there can't be controlled. Rolwey can stop crime either because it's big business.
White color crime fueling the black color crime. People have to eat when morning come. Crime paying the bills.

Rolwey don't care about Indians and Chinese.

[Habit7]

Erla is clearly a failure.

Based on what metric?

[alfa]

Erla is clearly a failure.

Based on what metric?

Tell us your metric on why she is not, because with several travel advisories against us and a murder rate of over one per day I'm genuinely curious

[pugboy]

and many many high profile home invasions and many unreported
drive around any neighborhood and see the barbed wire and spikes installed last few years

[The_Honourable]

I agree that she doesn't sound as confident as GG or as intellectual as Williams. Frankly, she makes me wonder if she bought all her degrees. But we are currently experiencing a 30% reduction in murders. That is SoE kinda results. I cant say if it is a direct result of her work or not. But why the hate for her though? She is the only CoP in recent time that is experiencing successive years of reduction in murders. Why move her?

Is it that ppl want to hear Sheriff Gary but murders still increasing?
Or Reno 911 but the murders going down?

So wait...

Murder toll in Jan 2022 (52) was less than the murder toll in Jan 2023 (61) yet the year 2022 ended up being the highest murder toll in local history.

The murder toll this january is less than the murder toll last year january and men ready to beat up dey chest and want praise?

WET STEUPZ...

Let's wait a 3-6 months and we can judge a lil better. If it improves, we can be a bit more optimistic. If not, she's a failure.

Firstly Jan 2022 we were in COVID lockdown. There was limited gathering of ppl, limits on beaches and rivers, vaccines for travellers and other things. I think that Jan 2021 and Jan 2022 are outliers or should be counted as an SoE.

Secondly, Erla was not CoP in Jan 2023 so that is irrelevant to the assessment of Erla.

Thirdly, this is jumping in at page 3 when the conversation started at page 1. I said I have issues with Erla based on how she appears. But based on 2023 stats and the Guardian comparison of her against other CoPs, I don’t see what’s so bad. I agree we should let 3-6 months pass in 2024 to further assess it. But based on 2023, what is so bad with Erla?

Is it that I must parrot UNC’s talking points that Erla and Hinds must be fired and if you cite stats it makes you a PNM? Be objective, yes she sounds like she is along for the ride, but judging her by the same stats you will judge every other CoP, what stats shows that she is failing?

I don’t know if she is directly responsible for any decrease in 2023 but if there was an increase wouldn’t it be fair to hold her accountable?

I am here to deal with facts, not personalities.

Covid? Well guess what? With some of the Covid lockdowns in 2022, we STILL ended up with the highest murder toll in local history.

My example flew over your head. It wasn't about Erla. My point is that you can't study one month this year with a lower murder count with one month for the same period last year with a higher murder count and bawl success.

Erla is bad. I never said she was THE worst, but she is bad. She's a bit better than Jacob, but she's still bad. Is like an exam, Jacob gets 2/20, Erla gets 6/20, yes Erla did better than Jacob, but they both still failed.

[88sins]

at expense largely of indian business owners and chinee groceries

Erla is clearly a failure but you can't blame her because the corruption in there can't be controlled. Rolwey can stop crime either because it's big business.
White color crime fueling the black color crime. People have to eat when morning come. Crime paying the bills.

Bro, I will tell you something
right now, dem boi do not care about race whatsoever. if you have, they want, and they coming to get it, and if yuh feel yuh go coast on dem boi, is bullet 1st and they will empty the pockets after.

It have men rn who don't have much but working regularly, and the reason why they don't have much is cuz they getting rob in their own house on a regular basis. u kno what kinda srress it is to go to work & kno is a 50/50 chance that by the time u reach home yuh new TV that you still paying for not there? And they eh just taking tv, down to yuh clothes they going with. Or to wake up in the middle of the night to a gun in yuh face on multiple occasions?

And yuh kno what is the most painful part about it? Is men in that very same area, men they kno, who doing them that, and their only options are to either move out (which yuh can't afford to do, cuz u getting rob regularly and have plenty debts for stuff you were relieved of, so you have no funds to pay fo a new spot somewhere else), or you make it yuh business to have and keep as close to nothing, as possible

It getting very rough out here

[Habit7]

Erla is clearly a failure.

Based on what metric?

Tell us your metric on why she is not, because with several travel advisories against us and a murder rate of over one per day I'm genuinely curious

LOL this T&T since 2003. She failed because in one year she didn’t change 2 decades of the status quo? Ok.

I agree that she doesn't sound as confident as GG or as intellectual as Williams. Frankly, she makes me wonder if she bought all her degrees. But we are currently experiencing a 30% reduction in murders. That is SoE kinda results. I cant say if it is a direct result of her work or not. But why the hate for her though? She is the only CoP in recent time that is experiencing successive years of reduction in murders. Why move her?

Is it that ppl want to hear Sheriff Gary but murders still increasing?
Or Reno 911 but the murders going down?

So wait...

Murder toll in Jan 2022 (52) was less than the murder toll in Jan 2023 (61) yet the year 2022 ended up being the highest murder toll in local history.

The murder toll this january is less than the murder toll last year january and men ready to beat up dey chest and want praise?

WET STEUPZ...

Let's wait a 3-6 months and we can judge a lil better. If it improves, we can be a bit more optimistic. If not, she's a failure.

Firstly Jan 2022 we were in COVID lockdown. There was limited gathering of ppl, limits on beaches and rivers, vaccines for travellers and other things. I think that Jan 2021 and Jan 2022 are outliers or should be counted as an SoE.

Secondly, Erla was not CoP in Jan 2023 so that is irrelevant to the assessment of Erla.

Thirdly, this is jumping in at page 3 when the conversation started at page 1. I said I have issues with Erla based on how she appears. But based on 2023 stats and the Guardian comparison of her against other CoPs, I don’t see what’s so bad. I agree we should let 3-6 months pass in 2024 to further assess it. But based on 2023, what is so bad with Erla?

Is it that I must parrot UNC’s talking points that Erla and Hinds must be fired and if you cite stats it makes you a PNM? Be objective, yes she sounds like she is along for the ride, but judging her by the same stats you will judge every other CoP, what stats shows that she is failing?

I don’t know if she is directly responsible for any decrease in 2023 but if there was an increase wouldn’t it be fair to hold her accountable?

I am here to deal with facts, not personalities.

Covid? Well guess what? With some of the Covid lockdowns in 2022, we STILL ended up with the highest murder toll in local history.

My example flew over your head. It wasn't about Erla. My point is that you can't study one month this year with a lower murder count with one month for the same period last year with a higher murder count and bawl success.

Erla is bad. I never said she was THE worst, but she is bad. She's a bit better than Jacob, but she's still bad. Is like an exam, Jacob gets 2/20, Erla gets 6/20, yes Erla did better than Jacob, but they both still failed.

Read carefully, no one is saying she is an overwhelming success. She had one year of murder reduction and is currently following the same trend. Isn’t saying that she failed and should be fired the WRONG recommendation and an embellishment of her bad performance? Nobody is assessing her only over a month. You are cherrypicking.

[alfa]

LOL this T&T since 2003. She failed because in one year she didn’t change 2 decades of the status quo? Ok.

Interestingly this is the same metric people use to say PNM is performing

[pugboy]

https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/let ... 5a6de.html

a must read esp for those who assume public service employees operate in same framework as non govt

to sympathize with erla she is a career cop all her life so asking her to pull up officers as though she in a private company is just not something she knows how to do or has experienced that from her superiors over her career
she grow up all her working life in said environment

[Habit7]

LOL this T&T since 2003. She failed because in one year she didn’t change 2 decades of the status quo? Ok.

Interestingly this is the same metric people use to say PNM is performing

A metric is a quantifiable figure. Like she failed because murders increased by X%, robberies, motor vehicle larcenies, rapes, kidnapping increase by X%. Something to remove your bias and show objectively that her performance is good or bad. Otherwise, crime can reduce across the board by 50% and you will still carry on the refrain that Erla must go because the 2025 campaign already locked in showing crime is constantly increasing even when based on the metrics, it is not.

[pugboy]

so what about the metric of public confidence ?

[Habit7]

so what about the metric of public confidence ?

Great. Please show us this quantifiable that is void of bias.

[alfa]

Metric metric me arse metric. We have one of the highest murder rates in the world (40 per 100000) but because it seems to have went down slightly this year under Erla people here are saying she's not a total and abject failure and that she cannot change the status quo from since 2003. Statistics while accurate do nothing to appease and reassure the population when you have more people dying than there are days in the year. That sounds like something a politician will use, specifically a PNM politician. Might as well blame Kamla one time

[MaxPower]

Friends,

Ok so Erla is a failure, we have established that.

Was GG also a failure? Forget the talk and telling the public what they want to hear.

In terms of the crime rate/situation….how significant is the difference in the numbers between Erla and GG?

[Mmoney607]

Gary was a huge failure. But Gary didn't appoint himself, Keith Rowley appointed him. But you max, want another five years of Rowley so he could do that kind of dotishness again.

[wing]

so what about the metric of public confidence ?

Great. Please show us this quantifiable that is void of bias.

Why do you continue to come here with "facts" and "metrics" and "logic," ... This is a forum of emotional outbursts, insults, name calling and Kamla worshipping. It's too early for the good Friday bobolee.

[MaxPower]

Gary was a huge failure. But Gary didn't appoint himself, Keith Rowley appointed him. But you max, want another five years of Rowley so he could do that kind of dotishness again.

Brother, if i had a choice, then no i would not want another 5 years.

And there is no other choice other than just not voting because i think under UNC will be worst. This empty the clip and Matic talk is going to cause a bloodbath.

[Habit7]

Metric metric me arse metric. We have one of the highest murder rates in the world (40 per 100000) but because it seems to have went down slightly this year under Erla people here are saying she's not a total and abject failure and that she cannot change the status quo from since 2003. Statistics while accurate do nothing to appease and reassure the population when you have more people dying than there are days in the year. That sounds like something a politician will use, specifically a PNM politician. Might as well blame Kamla one time

So you see it fit to use our murders per 100, 000 (A METRIC) to determine that we are in a horrible state. But if someone asks you to judge Erla Christopher’s tenure as CoP from Feb 2023 to now via a metric, one has to be a PNM politician?

One should only respond with emotion and subjectivity and parrot UNC talking points?

Make it make sense.

[pugboy]

i am guessing them embassy gonna soon reverse all them warnings they send out each month about bad crime here

[wing]

tbh it is difficult to compare over the years

crime has evolved, methods to acquire guns
increased drug market

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[alfa]

i am guessing them embassy gonna soon reverse all them warnings they send out each month about bad crime here

Cawrect, cuz according to the stats Erla is not a failure and foreign embassies aren't just running of rhetoric and UNC nationalism

[redmanjp]

Height requirement for male cops unconstitutional

https://newsday.co.tt/2024/02/08/court-lowers-height-requirement-for-male-cops/

POLICE Commissioner Erla Harewood-Christopher has been ordered to reopen the screening process for police recruits so that males shorter than 167 centimetres can apply.

Justice Robin Mohammed made the order on January 8. In a landmark ruling, the judge held that the police service regulation which restricted men below 167 centimetres from applying to the police service was discriminatory.

He said the regulation impugned the rights to equality of treatment by a public body and protection of the law and was not “saved law” preventing it from being challenged. Mohammed also declared regulation 3 (1) (f) was incompatible with the Constitution and granted an order of mandamus for the State to take all steps to exclude that height requirement from the recruitment process.

Regulation 3(1)(f) which deals with recruitment says in the case of a male, a trainee must be of good physique and at least 167 centimetres tall.

In ordering the commissioner to reopen the recruitment process, Mohammed said he was cognisant that the police service was engaged in recruitment at the beginning of the year to fulfil a Cabinet mandate to increase the police force by 1,000 for 2024, a tripling of the normal intake.

The judge’s order will now widen the pool of prospective candidates applying to become police officers.

In his budget speech in October 2023, Finance Minister Colm Imbert spoke of the introduction of 1,000 new recruits for 2024, a move welcomed by the Police Service Social and Welfare Association.

The judge’s orders were made in a ruling in favour of Renaldo Marajh, who wanted to apply to the police service but could not because of his height.

For his distress and inconvenience, Marajh will receive a total of $400,000 to be paid by the State, which also has to pay his legal bills fit for one senior counsel and two junior counsel.

Mohammed’s declaration follows a similar ruling by another judge in October 2023, which declared the police service’s tattoo policy for recruits unconstitutional.

Marajh was represented by Anand Ramlogan, SC, Kent Samlal and Vishaal Siewsaran.

In the claim before Mohammed, Marajh, 31, of Ben Lomond Village, Williamsville, said he was 160 centimetres tall.

In October 2020, he applied to the police service but the Police Academy told him he was not eligible because he did not meet the height requirement, so was “disqualified by law.”

He said the regulation was unfair and discriminatory.

“I am a healthy, fit young man who would like to contribute to and serve my country yet, I am disqualified from doing so on account of my height.

“It was always a dream and ambition of mine to become a police officer to protect and serve the citizens of my country.

“I feel frustrated and distressed when I see police officers who are not physically fit with pot bellies and the like wearing the very uniform that I have been deemed incapable and unworthy of wearing purely on account of my biological and physical features.”

[pugboy]

man get $400k for being short

[bluefete]

I know a real short WP officer.

Best they remove all the requirements and let any and every body join.

Wait.... that already .....................